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Jarlaxle

Fight Net Neutrality, Save the Internet!

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TheFranchise

Whats gonna happen to sites like GTAF when Net Neutrality is repealed? GTAF is a little site in a big ocean. I highly doubt GTAF is gonna have the ability to negotiate with ISPs. I hope we, as a country, can make enough noise to stop this. Theres 3 Republicans and 2 Democrats on the commission. We need just one to flip.

 

If it is repealed, there will be numerous lawsuits and court battles that will follow.

 

With all that said, Im finding it increasingly hard that Americans are going to put up and pay for internet the way some other countries like Portugal pays for mobile data (the only thing keeping ISPs from nickeling and diming is there is a lot of competition. Thats not the case here). If/ when ISPs start to try institute packages for different parts of the web, I think youre going to see a MASSIVE pushback amongst people in this country.... maybe even bordering on rioting. I just have a hard time seeing much of this country just bending over and taking it.

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TheFranchise

It seems that this country and its politicians are hellbent as possible to cause a revolt in this country. What Im about to say is Kind of off topic but kinda is because it all boils back to Net Neutrality. People in this country are tired of feeling like they dont matter. Theyre tired of the political elite. They cant relate to the rich and their jets and private yachts and mansions. I dont like Trump, but his election was merely people in this country who are angry and feel like theyve been ignored. It was a venting of anger. Theyve seen rich people who are obscenely rich take their union jobs and auto factory jobs and send them overseas so they could become even more obscenely rich. People in this country are pissed because they feel like theyve BEEN PISSED ON by the elite, whether theyre democrat or republican. Why do you think Bernie Sanders, a guy with some socialist policies, gained such major traction and attention in the media and in the polls? Because people are angry. A guy like Bernie being relevant would not even of been thinkable a few generations ago!!!!!! But he is now because people are pissed!

 

To boil it back to Net Neutrality, this is just yet the rich and elites latest attempt to grab even MORE MONEY ( as if the billions they make arent enough) ON OUR BACKS, the working mans back. The ISPs are very healthy right now in this country, but In typical corporate greed fashion, thats not good enough. This type of thing keeps up, and people are gonna say enough of this sh*t, and grab their pitchforks and their guns and take matters into their own hands.

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Am Shaegar

Whats gonna happen to sites like GTAF when Net Neutrality is repealed?

 

I suppose nothing. It is a public forum. It should affect on apps, and social sites they can monetise from.

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Tchuck

 

I swear, that man could say cyanide is good for you and his supporters would believe him.

 

I sort of wish he would.

 

 

There would literally be little difference.

 

Right. Because we know how mindful of consumer satisfaction the big cable companies are, right?

sh*t, son, the current chairman of the FCC used to be a director at Comcast. It's like he has no horse in this race, right?

 

 

Well durr, the big companies don't need to pay the cable companies to throttle speeds or whatnot. The cable companies will do that to consumers. Some mobile providers already do that, partitioning the plan into different "options" that you can choose to "customize" your access. Here's your base plan for 30 bucks. Oh want faster Youtube? Another 10 bucks. Faster Netflix? That'll be 5 bucks. Gaming? You could get the Ping of Dreams™ package for only an extra 50 bucks! With 200gb limit, that can be expanded to 1000 for a measly extra 10 bucks!

 

And there you go. But you don't care.

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Inttelix

I wonder how a democratic country, out to set an example of democracy and land of the free and blah blah blah, can restrict citizens to do anything.

 

Hell, owning a gun is not restricted. You want to restrict internet access and call it democracy... it's time someone important did something about this. Get some artists to follow, and you call it a day.

 

 

Mobile phone companies in Brazil have this same kind of restricted speed.. It's almost impossible to keep you phone coverage up, it's extremely expensive, half the population cant afford. I am one of those, I never get much out of the packages I buy from the phone company. So for almost a year now I've been only using wi-fi wherever there's a connection...

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Not A Nice Person

This net neutrality fantasy if true may be a blessig in disguise. The average commoner uses entertainment to distract themselves from their problems so if you take that away from them, since they can't afford it, hell will break loose. The consumer needs their Sunday Football and other useless sh*t or else heads will f*cking roll. The Order will be doing something very foolish and against their interests if this ends up passing. They may not be worried though since Americans are getting too fat to put on their own socks.

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Blaze

>what is coaxial

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TheFranchise

This net neutrality fantasy if true may be a blessig in disguise. The average commoner uses entertainment to distract themselves from their problems so if you take that away from them, since they can't afford it, hell will break loose. The consumer needs their Sunday Football and other useless sh*t or else heads will f*cking roll. The Order will be doing something very foolish and against their interests if this ends up passing. They may not be worried though since Americans are getting too fat to put on their own socks.

This country will make the LA Riots of the early 1990s look tame if carriers start trying to nickel and diming people.

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Murdick

My isp doesn't wanna offer me a better deal. Theyre the only isp provider for miles around and wont let any other companies in. I pay I think it's £45 a month for a 350gb package that has a bullshiiiiit download speed limit of 3mb if I'm lucky. Constant disconnections, and other bs. The minute they don't get their payment they disconnect you and slap a reconnection fee plus a late fee on top of it, which is about £35-40? How this is even fking legal I'll never know.. Still waiting for fiber despite them doing it in other f*cking cities first when they are based in the same city as me. 😂🔫 I hope something gets done about this bs tbh.

 

I should be using a vpn cuz no doubt these nosey bastards lurk in my history too. Oh well.

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Typhus

This was always an inevitability. This is happening, because there's money in it, and because it will help shape who can use what sites, and what news gets filtered to society at large. The government was always trying to control technology, going right back to the days when newspapers proclaimed BAN THIS SICK FILTH about the original Grand Theft Auto on the PS1.

Those in power, remember, are of a different generation with different values, who variably view the internet age with either confusion or outright hostility. The prevalence of online activism, vigilantism and the perpetuation of skewed or even false news articles does not give me much hope that a generational shift in power will even make this issue better. The internet is an open forum, and it was never going to remain that way forever.

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Shaytan

This thread reminds me how great it is to be European and Portuguese. Years ago I used to admire other countries and to think that Portugal was a close-minded country, but after investigating and reading so much about the such countries, I realised they were nowere near my expectations and that, actually, Portugal was a lot more open-minded than I thought and, in many cases, among the pioneer countries regarding equality, environmental and animal protection measures.

 

On-topic, not only us, Europeans, can safely say it's very unlikely such a weird move would happen on this part of the globe, but also that the Portuguese population would never fall for such a corporative brain-wiping move. I once said (not around here, I think) that I believe the USA got the President and Government they/you deserve. Regardless how far behind, close minded and/or irrational these political decisions can be, half the country supported and continues to support them.

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Chaise

On-topic, not only us, Europeans, can safely say it's very unlikely such a weird move would happen on this part of the globe, but also that the Portuguese population would never fall for such a corporative brain-wiping move.

You do realize that Portugal doesn't have net neutrality right? Many internet service providers in Portugal make you pay extra to use certain sites like YouTube and instagram so I'm not sure what your getting at, I mean you do live there right? On-topic though, I guess we all knew this was inevitable money controls the world, and corrupt powerful businesses will always look for more ways to make more of it. If they think we'll just sit around and let them do it with no push back at all though I'll be damned.

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Shaytan

Wrong. The European Union has directives for the member nations (including Portugal) to achieve net neutrality on their territories - what Portugal lacks is solid regulations on the matter.

 

What's the difference? First of, your example is a story told upside down: the only company in cause international news mention (MEO) and that does not technically throttle or prioritise websites and services over others. What actually happens is that people with mobile devices usually don't have much mobile data, and so these "packs" give extra data for services the user uses the most - the user is not limited to them because still has the "base" mobile data of his device for everything else, and one is not faster than the other. You don't have to buy them to use those services, you can use you regular mobile data to use them (most people including me have like only 500mg-1gb of monthly data plan). Is it quite shady, still? Yes, and that's why the independent entity that controls communications' providers is investigating them and this practice.

 

Then, no UE country can make decisions against a directive, meaning that lacking a proper net neutrality regulation doesn't mean not having net neutrality. That's why said entity is investigating the provider in question.

 

Finally, my main point is that, if it was ever discussed here about whether or not we wanted to abolish net neutrality, Portuguese people would never be as foolish to support it as something beneficial. Even situations like you were referring to (which I hope you better understood a sensationalised and poorly explained situation) that might still cross the line aren't well seen around here.

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Evil empire

The USA look more like a dictatorship and so does France. :-(

 

During this time some people keep claiming we need the state not to intervene in the economy, because like we all obviously know democracy is only related to the state intervention in the economy and strictly has nothing to do with the separation of powers.

 

Our world is so afflicting and grotesque.

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M.K.N.

The FCC better be careful, because ending net neutrality means all hell will break loose.

 

USA might as well be known as PRA, or People's Republic of America, because they've secretly followed China's footsteps when it comes to censorship.

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Neon_Dreaming

 

 

Hard to believe this isn't satire. I really hope you Americans can hang on to net netruality. Sad to see the power these big corporations have over the democratic process.

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1972

Lol thanks America.

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Niobium

oh boy i can't wait for ISPs to screw americans even harder than they already are

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deadx23

Eminem tried to warn us :O

 

"So the FCC won't let me be

Or let me be me, so let me see

They try to shut me down on MTV

But it feels so empty without me"-eminem

 

What are the chances Congress will pass this? 🤔

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Black Terminator

Well, we are f*cked. :(

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Richard Power Colt

I ain't the biggest expert on the subject since I don't even live in the US, but people are saying that it still needs to go through a vote in congress and it's more likely to be rejected there so you ain't f*cked yet.

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Ruin

 

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Tchuck

Well it was obvious he was going to repeal it. It was a no-brainer.

That wasn't the target of the protest. People wouldn't be able to get him to change his mind, unless they paid more than the ISPs that have him in their pockets.

 

The point is to convince your senators, representatives and what not that this is a terrible move, so that this attempt dies in congress/senate/wherever you Americans put these things.

So if you're an american, get to writing, calling, emailing, approaching your representatives and convince them to reject this.

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GTA3Rockstar

https://twitter.com/DonaldJTrumpJr/status/941467519222771713

 

 

Sorry to burst your bubble, f*ckwad, but it was your Daddy that appointed Pai chairman of the FCC.

 

Also, #netneutality f*ckin lol JOKE

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1972

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364945-washington-ag-to-sue-over-net-neutrality-repeal

 

I don't know everything about US internal politics, laws and how taking this sh*t to court works, but whoever the judge of this process will be, he will be either a hero or a massive c*nt.

 

I'm worried because I know for sure that the netherlands will be the first f*cking country to follow the US, if net neutrality really stops.

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Jarlaxle

It's the FCC regulating the internet to solve a problem that never existed. Internet speed and availability had increased for ordinary people for decades before NN. Greatest equalizer in human history. Keep the state the f*ck away from the internet for the sake of humanity.

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Matrelith

http://thehill.com/policy/technology/364945-washington-ag-to-sue-over-net-neutrality-repeal

 

I don't know everything about US internal politics, laws and how taking this sh*t to court works, but whoever the judge of this process will be, he will be either a hero or a massive c*nt.

 

I'm worried because I know for sure that the netherlands will be the first f*cking country to follow the US, if net neutrality really stops.

 

In 2015 Europe made the Open Internet Regulation, stating by law that the internet should remain open for anyone and prohibiting discriminatory traffic management over the internet, pretty much guaranteeing the continued existence of net neutrality here. I don't think Europeans have much to fear for the time being.

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