Doing something to free the unjustly banned

[Black-Dragon96]

 

I suspect that the support agent did not understood that the player had been unbanned but that he got banned now

"Brief period" means exactly the time between two bans, otherwise it would make no sense to mention it at all.

What two bans are you talking about? Why should someone get unbanned and then, without even logging in, get banned again.

Yes I agree the statement of the support agaent does not make any sense. But thats normal when you outsource your support, have people working there who have no f*cking clue about the game and let them only use a premade text script to answer a customers question.

 

 

They had to do that nearly a year ago when their automated system f*cked up the first time.

 

Had to do what? They reverted everything and pretended nothing happened, this time is completely different and more complicated story as they didn't give up and wanted to finish what they started. So yes, this happening in a first time.

They had to fix their system back then. If they wouldn't have done that their stupid bot would have banned the unbanned players again.

The problem is that this time their fix did not work and the bot is nukimg innocents again.

 

 

There are players who got a ban, then got unbanned and have NOT got a reban.

This is what new, less sensitive algorithm was meant to do - ignore more or less clean accounts and ban only most fishy of them. This is exactly what my "theory" is, jeez, I don't think you even trying to follow me here.

A sensitive algorithm is meant to sort out the actually cheating players not people who may or may not be cheating. Nuking half the playerbase in order to catch a relativly small percentage of cheaters is not acceptable.

Their anti-cheat is not working. It has no effect on the actuall cheaters, because they are back hours after the banwave on a new 5 $ account that they bought of ebay.

[Pocket Fox]

The problem with fatdog, and why I suspect a lot of right thinking GTA Forumers increasingly dislike him, is that he's starting with a "guilty until proven innocent" approach.

 

It's impossible for us to see the stats of the players who are still suspended, so to assume they did something wrong is to judge them guilty with no evidence. To assume every player still under a ban has indeed broken the EULA is to assume that R*'s banning algorithm must be perfect. Firstly, there's no such thing as the perfect algorithm in general, and secondly, by admission of their own actions, R* have implicitly shown they believe they get it wrong themselves, as on two well documented occasions they've unbanned a large volume of people. To declare with certainty they've got it right now is to ignore all historical evidence.

 

On the other hand I, and I suspect many others here, know some people still banned. Some I've played with for years, and over many hours I have never once seem them do anything remotely dodgy. Their stats and money are completely in line with what you would expect for players who had sunk their length of time into the game. The idea that these players were secretly doing something dodgy makes no sense - and when you couple that with the fact R* have implicitly admitted they make mistakes on previous occasions, there is only one sane conclusion to draw.

 

Also anyone with an ounce of ability to engage in some forward thinking might realise R*'s justice system has been shown to make mistakes, and when it does the result is immediate character execution with no right to appeal. The obvious thought is you can be as clean as you like, and this could happen to any of us in the future.

 

This is not rocket science. I don't believe anyone can be so dumb as to not get this. So I'm calling him out as a troll, pure and simple.

 

I'm waiting, hoping, he'll get a false ban and then it'll just be pure orgasmic to watch.

[fatdog]

To assume every player still under a ban has indeed broken the EULA is to assume that R*'s banning algorithm must be perfect.

It's not perfect obviously, nothing is perfect, even this forum code and design. But I personally prefer a risk to get banned over the opposite option, when nobody gets banned at all. Also you must be infantile to think that bans were completely random, which is obviously not true, these people just weren't cautious enough. Proof is me, flexcreator and rockstar forum hate team remained untouched.

[fatdog]

What two bans are you talking about?

May be those you mentioned further?

Why should someone get unbanned and then, without even logging in, get banned again.

 

As a part of system proceeding bans, in a way I explained above. What is your IQ honestly? You seem to unable to put together simple facts or follow logical chain. People like you are first to get into troubles and ofc they can easily miss at what point they breached EULA.

They had to fix their system back then. If they wouldn't have done that their stupid bot would have banned the unbanned players again.

 

 

They didn't fix nothing previously, they CANCELED it.

Edited March 30, 2018 by fatdog

[Jimbatron]

 

To assume every player still under a ban has indeed broken the EULA is to assume that R*'s banning algorithm must be perfect.

It's not perfect obviously, nothing is perfect, even this forum code and design. But I personally prefer a risk to get banned over the opposite option, when nobody gets banned at all. Also you must be infantile to think that bans were completely random, which is obviously not true, these people just weren't cautious enough. Proof is me, flexcreator and rockstar forum hate team remained untouched.

 

 

Lol. So just because you're untouched that must mean every other decision is correct? That's like saying because you've never been falsely convicted of crime, every other single decision your countries justice system has made must be correct.

 

I'm not certain anymore you're a troll. I think it might be the other problem (or possibly both at any rate).

 

If you'd been paying attention you'd also be aware that the hardcore cheaters who really f*ck up the game don't care about bans. They buy a new key and a modded account for $5 or so and start again. So the argument some collateral damage is worth it is complete crap.

[Black-Dragon96]

May be those you mentioned further?

It was the same bloody ban, not two bans. Thats clearly seeable because the second ban would be permanent, but the rebans showed the same date the the initial bans showed.

 

As a part of system proceeding bans, in a way I explained above. What is your IQ honestly? You seem to unable to put together simple facts or follow logical chain. People like you are first to get into troubles and ofc they can easily miss at what point they breached EULA.

How can a person that buys the game starts online gets banned DURING the tutorial cutscene, gets unbanned and then banned again without logging in a second time breach the EULA?

Not a single one of your points is logical in any way.

 

They didn't fix nothing previously, they CANCELED it.

Yes they did. Otherwise we would have had the exact same problem back then.

 

But I personally prefer a risk to get banned over the opposite option, when nobody gets banned at all.

You prefer that people get punished for doing nothing wrong to catch a few cheaters?

A few cheaters who will laugh at your efforts buy another stolen account of ebay for 5 bucks and carry on cheating.

Are you nuts?

Thats basicly like saying: "We are going to nuke all of africa because there could be a single terrorist at the outerscirts of namibia.", or: "A female person has robbed a bank. We now have to kill every single female on the planet in order to catch the robber."

People like you are the very reason this world goes to sh*t.

 

A banning system that does not work without collateral damage should not be working at all.

 

Also you must be infantile to think that bans were completely random, which is obviously not true, these people just weren't cautious enough. Proof is me, flexcreator and rockstar forum hate team remained untouched.

They were random! They banned people who had just bought the game and started the online tutorial mission.

Just because the 10 people you know did not get banned that does not mean the bans weren't random.

 

 

 

I highly doubt that you are trolling. I think you actually believe what you are saying and thats a lot worse.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[fatdog]

 

How can a person that buys the game starts online gets banned DURING the tutorial cutscene

Do you believe everything you read on internet? Also you seem to not understand, that these bans are based on analysis of offline logs.

 

 

A few cheaters who will laugh at your efforts buy another stolen account of ebay for 5 bucks and carry on cheating.

I don't think half of cheating low lifes can even afford another account tbh. Also some are stupid enough to use main account for cheating.

 

 

Thats basicly like saying: "We are going to nuke all of africa because there could be a single terrorist at the outerscirts of namibia."

Well, for me it's not, probably because I don't take this game too serious. I've had fun, I've spent time with friends - and nothing can't take it back from me, even if ban hit me.

[Jimbatron]

 

 

 

A few cheaters who will laugh at your efforts buy another stolen account of ebay for 5 bucks and carry on cheating.

I don't think half of cheating low lifes can even afford another account tbh. Also some are stupid enough to use main account for cheating.

 

 

 

If they couldn't afford 5 bucks for a new account, how did they afford the game in the first place? If they're that much on the breadline they can't pay that, their electricity would have been cut off before they got banned.

 

Aside from it blatantly not being a barrier, you've assumed you know the income of a group of people you have never encountered outside of a computer game. Which is symptomatic of your entire routine here. Assuming a lot of stuff about things you know little or nothing about.

 

Plus it's clearly obvious cheaters keep coming back. The only thing that stops it is when R* are able to shut down the mod menus/ block them for a while.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Jimbatron

[fatdog]

We all assume things, is not like I'm the only one guilty.

[Jimbatron]

We all assume things, is not like I'm the only one guilty.

 

There's such a thing as a reasonable, qualified assumption. And then there's believing you know the income of a group of different people you never met. Calling that assumption is being too kind to be honest.

[Black-Dragon96]

 

How can a person that buys the game starts online gets banned DURING the tutorial cutscene

Do you believe everything you read on internet? Also you seem to not understand, that these bans are based on analysis of offline logs.I don't believe everything I see on the internet (a forum user called demonic spaceman can lrobably tell you a few storys about that), but I know that the ban system makes mistakes and I believe that everyone is innocent until prooven guilty.

These bans are based on the bullsh*t of a barely functional anti-cheat.

 

 

A few cheaters who will laugh at your efforts buy another stolen account of ebay for 5 bucks and carry on cheating.

I don't think half of cheating low lifes can even afford another account tbh. Also some are stupid enough to use main account for cheating.

Im pretty sure they can afford that based on coversations I had with a few actuall cheaters. They don't give a f*ck about their account. Its just a tool for them to troll other people. When they get banned, tthey get a new 5 buck account and continue trolling.

 

 

Thats basicly like saying: "We are going to nuke all of africa because there could be a single terrorist at the outerscirts of namibia."

Well, for me it's not, probably because I don't take this game too serious. I've had fun, I've spent time with friends - and nothing can't take it back from me, even if ban hit me.

Well and some people do care about the game they payed 60 $ for. They get their access to a game they like blocked, because a stupid bot (made by incompetent people) runs amok and bans random accounts.

In my eyes you are actually worse than the scriptkid scum because you don't give a f*ck as long as you are satisfied.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Black-Dragon96

[fatdog]

. And then there's believing you know the income of a group of different people you never met.

 

Well, you beleive you know full online history of every your recently banned friend.

 

In my eyes you are actually worse than the scriptkid scum because you don't give a f*ck as long as you are satisfied.

 

Not hurting anyone, not even trying, you went a bit emotional here. I just want to help to understand, that some things can't be done or undone. I beleive whoever responsible for these bans, shares my opinion.

Edited March 30, 2018 by fatdog

[Black-Dragon96]

Not hurting anyone, not even trying, you went a bit emotional here.

People with your attitude hurt gaming as a whole.

 

I just want to help to understand, that some things can't be done or undone.

If a multi million dollar company cant warrant that their anti-cheat does not ban innocent people while having a no apeal policy, they should not use said anti-cheat.

 

I beleive whoever responsible for these bans, shares my opinion.

The one responsible for these bans is a bot that can neither agree nor disagree with you because it is a computer programm.

[Jimbatron]

 

. And then there's believing you know the income of a group of different people you never met.

 

Well, you beleive you know full online history of every your recently banned friend.

 

 

 

When I've played with them lots, they have never done anything dodgy, their stats and money are perfectly in line with what you'd expect for the amount of time they'd spent playing the game. So all the evidence I have suggests they are honest people, and there is absolutely no logical reason why they'd be cheating on the sly when I'm not around. We also have evidence that R* have banned the wrong people in the past. Add those two things up, and it's pretty clear they've made another mistake.

 

You on the other hand make assumptions about people you don't know at all.

Edited March 30, 2018 by Jimbatron

[elfoam]

Someone counted the ticket numbers since this first started 6 days ago and the ticket counter has increased by half a million.

[Guest]

Someone counted the ticket numbers since this first started 6 days ago and the ticket counter has increased by half a million.

Good. This need to hurt for Rockstar and their reputation. Any other articles from the gaming press? Relevant blogs or youtubers?

[flexcreator]

https://gamerant.com/gta-online-bans-problem/

 

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/03/29/gta-online-players-banned-unbanned-and-rebanned/

 

And some player wants to ban himself, lol

 

Last year I had a serious problem with videogame addiction, and yesterday I finally had the balls to sell my steam account and go live my life in a different way other than gaming all the f*cking day. .... I was always a modder, who made billions of cash, RP increase, kick people from servers, prop trap others, use invincible and infinite ammo codes, you name it. And I was never caught by R. So I already made a ticket to R reporting myself, but I don't know how long it will take it (and if they will ever do) for them to ban me.

Edited March 30, 2018 by flexcreator

[SHOKKERZ91]

 

https://gamerant.com/gta-online-bans-problem/

 

http://comicbook.com/gaming/2018/03/29/gta-online-players-banned-unbanned-and-rebanned/

 

And some player wants to ban himself, lol

 

Last year I had a serious problem with videogame addiction, and yesterday I finally had the balls to sell my steam account and go live my life in a different way other than gaming all the f*cking day. .... I was always a modder, who made billions of cash, RP increase, kick people from servers, prop trap others, use invincible and infinite ammo codes, you name it. And I was never caught by R. So I already made a ticket to R reporting myself, but I don't know how long it will take it (and if they will ever do) for them to ban me.

 

 

Doesn´t surprise me tbh. And yet, there are still people that think the anti-cheat works fine. f*ck the collateral damage, right?

[Jimbatron]

It's good the magazines are reporting the re-bans not just the initial ban wave. The last thing we want is R* thinking everything is fine now.

[Quinn_flower]

Unless ign or a major gaming site reports its not going to do anything.

[iProGam3r]

So I sent another ticket under "other" did not openly use ban or suspend but rather su/spend etc.

 

I got this response:

 

"Your account is temporarily suspended from GTA Online. Your suspension expiration date is shown on the splash screen after being returned to Story Mode following an attempt to play online. In addition to being suspended, all GTA Online characters, progress and inventory on PC will be reset. Any funds purchased via Shark Cards have been preserved and are still available on your account.

The next infraction on your account will result in a permanent ban from GTA Online.

GTA Online bans are triggered by a number of factors, including modding in GTA Online, exploiting or abusing game mechanics, manipulating protected game data and code, or otherwise interfering with other players’ gameplay experience.

All GTA Online suspension and banning decisions are final and may not be appealed. For more information on the GTA Online Suspension and Ban Policy please see https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/articles/229514247.

Best regards,

Nia K.
Rockstar Support"

So I have lost everything I have worked for / money spent on shark cards in the past on all these items.... I'm sick of this bs, anyone got their account restored? I have never touched the gta files...

Edited March 30, 2018 by iProGam3r

[Rabid Vulpix]

 

 

If they do force our hand, however, I'll update this with links to places we can review the game, and spread the call to downvote it into oblivion.

 

 

 

Excellent idea, however the issue is that aside from forum members, most console players don't give a crap about what happens to the PC version or it's players.

Unless you have the massive group of players from all systems vouching in, it's not going to have the desired impact.

The general public will otherwise just see it as "Oh the modding platform threw a fit about another ban."

Edited March 30, 2018 by Foreverpast

[DeMeNs]

My brother has been unbaned and restored (from first ban wave).

 

Angry level descending XD

[iProGam3r]

My brother has been unbaned and restored (from first ban wave).

 

Angry level descending XD

 

I can tell you this, my anger levels are not decreasing......

 

also neat avatar, reminds me of Abe from the PS1 game Abe's odyssey

Edited March 30, 2018 by iProGam3r

[30mething...]

 

 

 

If they do force our hand, however, I'll update this with links to places we can review the game, and spread the call to downvote it into oblivion.

 

 

 

Excellent idea, however the issue is that aside from forum members, most console players don't give a crap about what happens to the PC version or it's players.

Unless you have the massive group of players from all systems vouching in, it's not going to have the desired impact.

The general public will otherwise just see it as "Oh the modding platform threw a fit about another ban."

 

 

Well, I plan to calmly explain this situation (about how R* Support treated customers, false ban etc) to the twitch streams/ youtube streams once RD2 hit the market/ R* sponsors twitch streamers to play their darn game. Potential customers have the right to be warned before the purchase.

 

I know some may say I am just b*tching/ whining... still think it's fair... From what R* treated me, that's the least I can do..

Edited March 31, 2018 by 30mething...

[B7R]

 

 

 

 

If they do force our hand, however, I'll update this with links to places we can review the game, and spread the call to downvote it into oblivion.

 

 

 

Excellent idea, however the issue is that aside from forum members, most console players don't give a crap about what happens to the PC version or it's players.

Unless you have the massive group of players from all systems vouching in, it's not going to have the desired impact.

The general public will otherwise just see it as "Oh the modding platform threw a fit about another ban."

 

I know some may say I am just b*tching/ whining... still think it's fair... From what R* treated me, that's the least I can do..

 

Anyone who says your b*tching or whining over an issue out of your control and that you were unfairly punished for is a f*cking idiot. Let's get that point straight because I know there are other members on here who would love to spin it the other way around and say "YOUR FAULT YOUR FAULT, you did something wrong so you deserve the ban".

 

People are being banned left, right and in centre by an anti-cheat system that isn't even doing it's Job properly and the only people it's banning are the innocent (Maybe) while the people it's designed to ban in the first place continue to play without any trouble. If people think that the anti-cheat isn't system broken and your getting banned because at some point in your GTAOnline history you broke some stupid EULA or TOS rule then we have another problem here. If you broke a rule or section in the GTAOnlines EULA two years ago and now (at this point and moment in 2018) their only getting around to banning you for it then that's pretty slack & sh*tty on their part.

 

There really should be an expiry like a statue of limitations for software. If you broke a section of the TOS or EULA and if the company hasn't banned you for it after a year or two then they shouldn't be able to ban you for it when they get around to it years later. The most that could probably happen after this point is it goes on your account history which the company may or may not have to provide to you.

[Jimbatron]

My brother has been unbaned and restored (from first ban wave).

 

Angry level descending XD

 

Sorry just to be clear was that a straight unban, or unban after re-ban? Trying to ascertain if R* have done anything more after the re-ban that happened a couple of days ago.

[30mething...]

Just got into a live chat.. same cut & paste answers... they closed the chat abruptly... haha...

 

https://upload.cc/i1/2018/03/31/dTRxAr.png

Edited March 31, 2018 by 30mething...

[Jimbatron]

Just got into a live chat.. same cut & paste answers... they closed the chat abruptly... haha...

 

https://upload.cc/i1/2018/03/31/dTRxAr.png

 

"GTA Online suspensions are triggered by a number of factors" - they forgot to mention the single biggest cause "when R* f*ck up their banning algorithm".

 

Whilst these conversations appear to be futile, I'd still advise those affected to keep at it. The reason being is that answering these calls and live chats costs R* money. That's especially true because its via an outsourced company, so any incremental impact will be felt when there is a surge in demand. This helps increase the chance that someone in T2 finance will see the increased cost, get worried and push to have a greater look at it all.

Edited March 31, 2018 by Jimbatron

[Black-Dragon96]

Just got into a live chat.. same cut & paste answers... they closed the chat abruptly... haha...

 

https://upload.cc/i1/2018/03/31/dTRxAr.png

I like how he wrote that "all banns are valid", because they obviously are not because there are people who have been banned during the gta online tutorial amd because some people have been unbanned.

I suspect that gta 5 will be the last game from R* and TakeTwo that I bought. Just like NfS Hot Pursiut was the last EA game I bought.