Non justified banning is happening !

[AmyStone]

 

 

@AmyStone

So basicly if get invited to multiple pac standart finales after eachother and im joining them, im non legit because im playing multiple finales without doing the setups.

Im sorry amy but this is bullsh*t.

Are you being a bit dim on purpose? I'm talking about people who intentionally quit the game so they can repeat the final.

Nope. Im only using the same wording that you used earlier.

To refresh your memory:

And yes, repeating pac heist over and over without doing setups makes you non-legit.

 

 

You understood exactly what I meant but you choose to try to make an argument out of it. Well done. You are very clever.

[daricusGTA]

Excellent news Darth, welcome back. Losing any amount of GTA $ is a small affair compared to assets and progress.

 

To the "kesh kerds" people, Rockstar has given me $53 million to recoup asset loss after a russian hacker stole my account (but not the US election) and deleted what was in my second char slot. As such I have a harder time believing in nefarious plans by them to get you to buy more. Hell, now that the research grind is over for me, I'm earning more GTA $ than ever and having a blast doing it. Those who continue to peddle this theory should apply to CNN, as a few positions have recently opened there and they might like the cut of your jib.

[Picklez]

And if you don't see that, it's very possible that you're a fanboy who is a little too invested in defending every single thing Rockstar ever does.

Ah, I see you've met ragedandcaged.

 

Interfering with another player's gameplay experience is a bannable offense in a game that literally encourages you and pays you $2,000 to interfere with another player's gameplay experience.

 

You cannot make this sh*t up. R* logic at it's finest.

More anti R* drama... R* would have to write 1000 words just so you understand what they are referencing. Its very simple. I am not even going to explain it to you. Forum full of drama queens.

 

Shut the f*ck up.

[Lonely-Martin]

My way of dealing with that PS glitch...

 

On call, if i landed in one, and the cut was right, I'd gladly do that one, often at times I'd get re-invited back, providing all went well, by the 2nd person hosting, again, I'd accept, as there was no guarantees that is was a co-hosting pair, many times it was, many was not. I mean, many times I helped one guy on H.Labs Deliver EMP and another of the crew would invite me because, not to sound big-headed, I'm good at it, and if the finale didn't come from the first host, I'd join the other setup instead, anyway... If i got re-invited by the 2nd of 2 hosts running this glitch, I'd only run it the 2nd time as the host was different... A third invite, I simply rejected, and would refuse to return to the team, deleting friend requests or blocking messages if they nagged me to return and not backed off.

 

I don't cheat, but i do play the game, I hop across so many heists on a good week with friends and randoms alike, and yes, I'm one of those guys that actually ENJOYS heisting on call... The adventures, the mini-team, the brief but fun conversations, the shout-offs that I'm right or they are, I just love that variety... Without doubt, along with the car choice, easily my favourite part of the game... I've shouted at kids bickerring, I've told adults to buck up, I've lead louidly, or through actions alike, and I've played silent back-up too... I have zero expectation, but huge amounts of patience, skill in the jobs and the desire to just get in there... f*ck 'em, i want cash sometimes... And i have met some genuinely great players doing so, in the earlier days when i didn't know how to find players I'd previously played with, I know there are many guys/gals out there that I just gelled with on jobs that I'm sure we'd have made a great team too... Just so much fun...

 

Yes, before DLC's, I may hop from finale to finale, usually Fleeca comes up a few times a day, i became a go-to for anyone needing an elite too, that puzzle is a doddle, the drive is flawless, Ok, Ok, just Fleeca?... Nope, I got good everywhere, did 'em all 100's of times, 100's os failed attempts, many through my own lack of skill before I got as good as i am too, it really is just so easy to do...

 

Sorry AmyStone, there was never and still is just no desire for me to ever look to exploit any part of this game, I'll be fair, the Kuruma method, that one I'll give ya, though, IMO, it was only patched to slow the damn glitch in the first place, but I concede, that COULD be considered. I am under no illusions, so many do preach innocence, and I've seen many with egg on their faces too regarding this, as in the old gen days, ALL my friends had at my, and their, insistence as to avoid the hell going on over there had their social accounts visable... Alas, after near 2 years, they got me, and the ban soon followed, I new nothing from here, and was so damn angry that it cost me a PS3, controller and a new game before I could return a month or 2 later... Yep, smashed it all up. Very angry...

 

I did, after seeing PS4's safety record against these f*cks messing with accounts, I hid in an invite only, ranked up, grinded FULL pacific standards and transferred with around $8m a couple of months later, and not even considered one glitch/cheat on PS4 because, as a PvE player, cash has just never been so easy since I bought that office.

 

These days it's better, a heist goes wrong, source and sel;l a car, then hop back on call while on the cooldown... sh*t with coke and the bunker this week while not actually pressing hard at al, as I'm not 'at the races' over Gunrunning, I'm back at $37.5m, up form around $28 since the DLC came...

 

My social account is open, by all means have a look, same name, I'm proud of my achievements, that has always driven my gaming, hence my struggles with seeing that part of gaming get lost in this franchise at times, I want more things like heists, CMM, and real co-op...

 

Sorry, you are wrong!

 

*Edit... I'll rephrase my last line, as I feel it was a little off...

 

Sorry, in many cases, similar to mine for example, you are wrong!

Edited June 27, 2017 by KWF1981

[Black-Dragon96]

 

 

 

@AmyStone

So basicly if get invited to multiple pac standart finales after eachother and im joining them, im non legit because im playing multiple finales without doing the setups.

Im sorry amy but this is bullsh*t.

Are you being a bit dim on purpose? I'm talking about people who intentionally quit the game so they can repeat the final.

Nope. Im only using the same wording that you used earlier.

To refresh your memory:

And yes, repeating pac heist over and over without doing setups makes you non-legit.

You understood exactly what I meant but you choose to try to make an argument out of it. Well done. You are very clever.

I understood exactly what you said because thats what i replyed on (have look at my quote). You said that everyone who does multiple finals in a row is not legit because he did not do the setups between them and i pointed out why this statement is invalid.

[ntinoskonsta]

Welcome back everyone who has been unbanned. It's always a pleasure to see justice served.

[fantabulicious]

guess i don't have to boston tea party the franchise after all. looks like i can get back online... have they released a statement? couple of my friends still shows 0's for everything when i compare stats and they were genuine too... maybe they should submit a ticket even if they get a canned response like i did.

[gizmonomono]

 

 

 

Maybe he is innocent. Maybe he isn't. I have no idea and won't pretend to know.

 

People have been saying they are unjustly banned since the beginning.

It's like you didn't even read what I just wrote.

Read every word. Don't agree. People always say that I don't read it. Because they cannot fathom that someone has a differing opinion.

 

 

It's not that you disagree, it's that you completely ignored the point I was making and replied saying the exact same thing as before, without even acknowledging or responding to what I said. I am asking you point blank, do you not discern any difference whatsoever between one guy saying he got banned unjustly and thousands saying it? If not, why not?

 

Or let me ask you another point-blank question: if today everyone on the game got banned except you, would you still assume they were all cheaters?

 

A wise man questions everything. But what do i know, I'm just an idiot

[Jimbatron]

I just came up with a wild theory about how this might have gone wrong. Did all the players in the false ban wave absolutely rinse Pac Std in the 2* heist payout week? I know Darth certainly did, totally legit and non glitching the finale because I joined for two runs with other forum members here.

 

I've been noticing some comments from players about having to bank money earns from I/E, Biker sales, and Gunrunning. I never have to do that. The payment goes straight into the bank account.

 

This next guess could be wrong, and that will invalidate this theory, but on the console am I right that this money goes in your wallet, but on the PC it goes in your bank account?

 

Why would it be different? Well the mod menus couldn't get past the new gen consoles hardware, so there was no cheating problem. Now consider that gunrunning you can earn over $1m in one go. Perhaps on the PC they moved the pay to go directly into the bank account so that this couldn't be confused with a script kiddie money bag drop which goes into the wallet?

 

Now if you can see were I'm going with this, the Heist payout goes straight into the wallet still. So in theory that money is more confusable with a cheaters money drop.

 

It would be an absolute school boy error but perhaps they forgot to account for how much money could be going in the wallet of a pro pac std player grinding it repeatedly in the double payout week.

 

Prior to the bans being reversed I have this vision of one of R*s technical leads standing over an analysts monitor:

"So a huge proportion of people who triggered the cheat flag did so in the same week and only then?"

"What was different about that week ..?"

"....oh crap!"

Edited June 28, 2017 by Jimbatron

[ThirteenAG]

I just came up with a wild theory about how this might have gone wrong. Did all the players in the false ban wave absolutely rinse Pac Std in the 2* heist payout week?

No, I haven't played for months prior to gunrunning. I think last time I logged in real quick was april 25th, when they did tax return, but later never received it.

[Eisenfaust]

I make a few tickets to get unbanned. I got a Email from Rockstar. About 24h after i was unbanned. They tell me, after checking your Account we decided to remove the ban. Nothing else. But all my Money ist still resetet to 0$. I make a Ticket to get it back, too. Still waiting for a answer.

[Jimbatron]

 

I just came up with a wild theory about how this might have gone wrong. Did all the players in the false ban wave absolutely rinse Pac Std in the 2* heist payout week?

No, I haven't played for months prior to gunrunning. I think last time I logged in real quick was april 25th, when they did tax return, but later never received it.Ok it's probably not that then. I bet there's a pattern somewhere though.

 

What matters of course is legit players got un-banned. I'm still kind of curious though what it was the made the cheat detection algorithm go ape.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Jimbatron

[TheHolyNZF]

 

 

... and you accidentally rubber banded your controller before you fell asleep?

No, I activated the camera thing in the bunker. I don't see how is that a reason for banning and wiping everything though.

 

 

 

 

Maybe players idleing in their offices / bunkers are a new target. ...

 

 

I just got an idea.

 

When you are inside your appartment you are invulnerable. The cheaters are exploiting this exact state to remain in a godmode during PvP.

That's why when you track players using a mod menu you see marks like Godmode even on legitimate players.

 

 

Now, normally you won't remain in this state for too long. You enter the building, do some business and get out. Then you can be killed again. Cheaters however remain in the godmode state for days or weeks (it's enabled by default in the menu).

 

Maybe the system tracks down how long the player remain the Godmode state and bans the abusers. That would explain why it confuse players ideling in a bunker watching the security cameras for hours with cheaters.

 

Tell this to R*, not us.

[Lonely-Martin]

I've been noticing some comments from players about having to bank money earns from I/E, Biker sales, and Gunrunning. I never have to do that. The payment goes straight into the bank account.

 

This must be very different to each person then dude...

 

100% for me, on PS4...

 

Crate sales... Cash in hand - Must be banked

Biker sales - Same

Gunrunning sales - Same

VIP work, VIP challenges, MC contracts, MC challenges, free mode activities (criminal damage etc.), contact missions, races, all jobs and cash earned as an associate, LSC sales, Simeon sales, and any job from the pause menu, Adv. Modes etc. All the same, must be banked dude... Except...

 

I/E

Heists, including bonuses

Daily Objectives bonuses

 

These 3 get paid straight into the bank otherwise all get paid to us as cash WE MUST bank ourselves... Please, just watch youtube or read around and watch these jobs being completed, see where the cash ends up... As I'm not trying to argue the toss here, just for me, on PS4, I have to bank all these things myself.

 

*In the Gunrunning knowledgebase, the friest post confirms that Gunrunning sales are cash to be banked too. (Directly above the Fun De Panda quote in the OP)

 

Often after doing these things over a session, other than I/E, I'd leave the cash in hand and count cars sold to know my daily take... I tested all the VIP works and sought out as to what classes as 'total cash earned' and 'cash earned from jobs' too... Took a while, and also where the expenses for crates, MC supplies and car upgrades as to what is 'cash spent overall' against property, cars and maintenance and clothing and style... I/E's upgrades aren't added to the 'cash spent on vehicles and maintenance' for example... (Take too long to list all dude)

 

As a PvE, solo player of late, prior to Gunrunning, between the CMM run I did with others, I tested the whole lot in the periods between our heist sessions...

 

* having re-read you point though dude, if the differences are true, with PC getting paid in the bank... Could be a good call.

Edited June 28, 2017 by KWF1981

[Jimbatron]

@KWF1981 - Bit of a digression but on PC for me, every biker or CEO activity goes straight in my bank account. Money from non freemode mission (heists, contact mission, races, dms etc) is given as cash and must be banked.

 

Is that the same for other PC players?

 

I also note that my CEO and Biker activity doesn't show up on my social club as money earned either.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Jimbatron

[Lonely-Martin]

@KWF1981 - Bit of a digression but on PC for me, every biker or CEO activity goes straight in my bank account. Money from no freemode mission is given as cash and must be banned.

 

Is that the same for other PC players?

 

I also note that my CEO and Biker activity doesn't show up on my social club as money earned either.

The differences seem to be there, though need more PC/console users just to check...

 

But on PS4 those are the things we have to bank dude, I have no experience with PC I'm afraid... Very odd with the social club thing though, as for me, all the freemode stuff gets tallied in the 'total earned' not the 'cash from jobs'... Stuff like bounties and store robberies too... From what I've seen, any job from the pause menu/map (Purple icons), anything in freemode all needs banking, only I/E, Dailies (not the actual jobs to do, them earnings get banked - The 25, 100, and 500k gets banked) and heists and their bonuses (CMM etc.).

 

All freemode stuff don't, but the businesses have their screens with stats, MC, the wall... But for VIP work, MC contracts as crew, and freemode things (Criminal Damage etc.) there's no way of knowing what, and how much...

 

I tested these bits as in the old das, on PS3,players with a huge 'total earned' and a low 'cash from jobs' was a tell... There is very little freemode in old gen, lol... To earn $100m from it, well, that's an awful lot of car sales, or security vans et al... Bless 'em, many tried, lol... But these days, it's no indicator at all... I've made approx. $40-50m from freemode, BEFORE I total up the businesses/sales, and know players with probably 5x as much... At least if questioned, things like the gold Securoserve trophy, and the mess, plus the businesses have their laptop stats to show others if needed/wanted too...

 

But yeah, building up to Gunrunning I plodded so much of these things and note so much as to what and where dude, I found it fun... But I like stats...

 

(Played Championship/Football Manager for decades... In my 'herbal days'... Lol.)

 

But from old gen to current, or PC, there's such a vast difference in what was around even a year after release, though heists was a huge deal, and a massive DLC, it's just been changed so much since even those larger changes, and the anti-cheat, and, IMO, the servers are just not 'keeping up' with all the potential flags, like I said about old gen freemode... Very poor, if so...

 

* My R* social should be visable, by all means have a look at PS4/PC differences dude, and compare with an Xbox guys and an old gen player too, though , old gen =/= legit is rarer these days, lol... But my social has my PS3 stuff there too...

Edited June 28, 2017 by KWF1981

[kenmy13999]

Ps4 here and I have the same as KWF1981 on what I get directly in to the bank account and not directly in the bank

[Lonely-Martin]

Ps4 here and I have the same as KWF1981 on what I get directly in to the bank account and not directly in the bank

Just seems they need so much more to protect players on PC, I mean, I can understand it, as with PC's we can really open things up and what-not...

 

It's good that they do offer the safety net of these things but at the same token, a shame that the bandits out there are pressing so hard at trying to ruin it somewhere or force thing to be changed so...

[Shaundi]

 

 

 

When you get online and see your rank and money has been reset for no reason.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Croft

[Black-Dragon96]

^

Blury image is blury.

I see this screen nearly every day now since gunrunning, when they removed the modded money that gkt injected into my account.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[kenmy13999]

 

Ps4 here and I have the same as KWF1981 on what I get directly in to the bank account and not directly in the bank

Just seems they need so much more to protect players on PC, I mean, I can understand it, as with PC's we can really open things up and what-not...

 

It's good that they do offer the safety net of these things but at the same token, a shame that the bandits out there are pressing so hard at trying to ruin it somewhere or force thing to be changed so...

I think the only thing they can do on pc is to do something with their ban system, they can probably make their anti cheat better but I don't think they will ever make it 100% safe. Can take battlefield as an example with dedicated servers and better anti cheat system, they still have script kiddies running around but nothing like gta tho..

 

 

this is just my opinion and what I've seen people saying, so this might not be 100% accurate

 

[LoneWulf]

@KWF1981 - Bit of a digression but on PC for me, every biker or CEO activity goes straight in my bank account. Money from non freemode mission (heists, contact mission, races, dms etc) is given as cash and must be banked.

 

Is that the same for other PC players?

 

I also note that my CEO and Biker activity doesn't show up on my social club as money earned either.

Yea im on PC as well, everything goes straight into my account accept for spawned cars and contact missions.

[Lonely-Martin]

 

 

Ps4 here and I have the same as KWF1981 on what I get directly in to the bank account and not directly in the bank

Just seems they need so much more to protect players on PC, I mean, I can understand it, as with PC's we can really open things up and what-not...

 

It's good that they do offer the safety net of these things but at the same token, a shame that the bandits out there are pressing so hard at trying to ruin it somewhere or force thing to be changed so...

I think the only thing they can do on pc is to do something with their ban system, they can probably make their anti cheat better but I don't think they will ever make it 100% safe. Can take battlefield as an example with dedicated servers and better anti cheat system, they still have script kiddies running around but nothing like gta tho..

 

 

this is just my opinion and what I've seen people saying, so this might not be 100% accurate

 

 

I agree dude. For me, the wiping shouldn't happen immediately, the 30 day suspension should be sufficient for your account to be reviewed and immediately unbanned if there's no reason for it... As many have said, sometimes things like this can happen, sometimes a bandit gets in the back door too, but we all need to know that IF the worst happens, there are safeguards.

 

Granted, have the staff, time and other resources. Fair points. Also, knowing now that the players stats CAN be reinstated has certainly eased my initial concerns too... Scary to know it could just go, with no grounds to stand on, you know?... And it, IMO, could affect anyone IF not addressed and fixed/halted asap.

 

They can avoid the mass amounts of players asking for a review by making it so IF you get a 30 day, you must appeal, many real cheaters tend to know they cheated quite honestly, they may not admit it, but they know themselves, and may choose not to appeal, because it would be simply a waste of their time as much as R*'s... And, in my opinion, if something triggers it accidentally, a player will feel at ease if they know they did nothing wrong, if they know they can ask for a review over that 30 days...

 

Seems simple to me, but I have no clues weather it could work, just feel it should... This sh*t is worth billions now, IMO, they must do more.

[Jimbatron]

 

@KWF1981 - Bit of a digression but on PC for me, every biker or CEO activity goes straight in my bank account. Money from non freemode mission (heists, contact mission, races, dms etc) is given as cash and must be banked.

 

Is that the same for other PC players?

 

I also note that my CEO and Biker activity doesn't show up on my social club as money earned either.

Yea im on PC as well, everything goes straight into my account accept for spawned cars and contact missions.

Thanks can anyone else on the PC confirm? It's interesting that it is different from the consoles. I can think of a reason why it would be other than something to do with cheat detection.

[Biter]

 

 

@KWF1981 - Bit of a digression but on PC for me, every biker or CEO activity goes straight in my bank account. Money from non freemode mission (heists, contact mission, races, dms etc) is given as cash and must be banked.

 

Is that the same for other PC players?

 

I also note that my CEO and Biker activity doesn't show up on my social club as money earned either.

Yea im on PC as well, everything goes straight into my account accept for spawned cars and contact missions.

Thanks can anyone else on the PC confirm? It's interesting that it is different from the consoles. I can think of a reason why it would be other than something to do with cheat detection.

 

Hi yes. Funds go straight in the account. Jobs seem to be paid in cash.

[Shaundi]

^

Blury image is blury.

I see this screen nearly every day now sinxmce gunrunning, when they removed the modded money that gkt injected into my account.

 

I purposely made it blurry.

[Happy Hunter]

Now that Darth has been unbanned, where are all the people who insisted the ban must be fair and with good reason? Do they have any explanation as to why they unbanned him, if he deserved it so much?

 

Still need to compensate him and give all his money back and then some, mind you.

[Alien Reaper]

 

 

@KWF1981 - Bit of a digression but on PC for me, every biker or CEO activity goes straight in my bank account. Money from non freemode mission (heists, contact mission, races, dms etc) is given as cash and must be banked.

 

Is that the same for other PC players?

 

I also note that my CEO and Biker activity doesn't show up on my social club as money earned either.

Yea im on PC as well, everything goes straight into my account accept for spawned cars and contact missions.

Thanks can anyone else on the PC confirm? It's interesting that it is different from the consoles. I can think of a reason why it would be other than something to do with cheat detection.

 

 

I also confirm that. I have an enormous discrepancy in social club between money earned and money spent + money in bank. It shows:

 

money spent: 250.4m

money earned: 81.7m

 

Since I also have 57.1m in the bank, so total money earned should be around 307.5m. Since the bulk of my earned money comes from VIP, CEO and MC activities, It must mean that these are not accounted for in social club.

 

Also, my statistics show that I spent:

 

112.3m with vehicles and maintenance

40.9m with properties and utilities

6.4m with guns and vests

3.1m with style and entertainment

 

for a total of 162.7m. That is almost 90m less than 250.4m. This means that the money I spent buying crates, buying supplies for the MC business, the money I spend paying for damage in sourced cars from I/E, and the money spend upgrading said I/E cars before selling them is accounted for in the total spent.

 

I guess it is another example of Rockstar logic that the money spent on businesses is counted as money spent, but the revenues from them are not counted as money earned...

[Jimbatron]

I also confirm that. I have an enormous discrepancy in social club between money earned and money spent + money in bank. It shows:

 

money spent: 250.4m

money earned: 81.7m

 

Since I also have 57.1m in the bank, so total money earned should be around 307.5m. Since the bulk of my earned money comes from VIP, CEO and MC activities, It must mean that these are not accounted for in social club.

 

Also, my statistics show that I spent:

 

112.3m with vehicles and maintenance

40.9m with properties and utilities

6.4m with guns and vests

3.1m with style and entertainment

 

for a total of 162.7m. That is almost 90m less than 250.4m. This means that the money I spent buying crates, buying supplies for the MC business, the money I spend paying for damage in sourced cars from I/E, and the money spend upgrading said I/E cars before selling them is accounted for in the total spent.

 

I guess it is another example of Rockstar logic that the money spent on businesses is counted as money spent, but the revenues from them are not counted as money earned...

 

 

Yes this fits with roughly what I see on mine (although I find it hard to keep track of exactly what I spent on supplies, crates and upgrading I/E cars, it could very plausibly make up the difference). My discrepancy is smaller than yours but still very visible - ~$35m

 

Now I'm not familiar with GTAO scripts at all, but much more so with IV. And the game scripts were basically the same on all 3 platforms. They even had some if statements to check for the version type (mostly the front end lobby menus in IV MP for the PS3 if I recall).

 

So I could be wrong but I'd assume the missions scripts for GTAO will fundamentally follow the same rules across all platforms in most cases. Which makes it very curious that the way the money is payed in is distinctly different on the PC to PS4 or XboxOne.

 

As I've said above, the only reason I can think of is it's something to facilitate anti-cheat on the PC. I don't think this could be an accident. It would have to be a conscious decision to change the script, if the code is for the most part an exact replica across all platforms by default.

 

In any event it's a royal screw up that then the stats don't display correctly on the social club. Is it any wonder therefore that their anti-cheat detection algorithm appears flawed when the basic data we can all see doesn't add up properly?

[Non Funkable Token]

Money stats are so f*cked up that it's better to not care anymore.

 

Difference between my earned money and spent money = around +17m at the moment.

 

Money in the bank = +119m.

 

Clever stats, very clever.

Edited June 28, 2017 by Perez84