Non justified banning is happening !

[Anasterian]

tfw Take Two and Rockstar try to shut down modding. A few days after they've back off on that because of... reasons... (someone, somewhere, among them, must have decided "hold on, we're going to lose cash. that's coming outta your cut not mine" and they backed off.) And then this happens. Whether it's R* itself or their alleged automated system, something went wrong. It's like they can't last a bloody month without something going to sh*t.

 

I haven't checked my account for a few days now, not since this thread appeared, so I'm moderately worried. I avoided most cheater money drops(Think I got a total of 200 or 300k from all of those surprise moneybag rains), and generally stayed out of trouble but I haven't even seen a money wipe on my account yet.

 

Somehow, I get the feeling that if I ever go below 300k, they'll just ban me straight away

[gizmonomono]

 

I didn't call your friends "dirty cheaters", you did. And I'm not talking about the mistakes, I'm talking about permanent bans. I said in the begining "it's nothing a simple email can't fix"

You all claim Rockstar just ignores your complaints. Obviously they don't.

 

EDIT:

The reason your friends got the ban in the first place was probably because the system had something on them. It was reviewed and decided that a ban was to harsh.

 

Yes you did call them cheaters you said you do not believe anyone that has been banned is innocent. The fact you keep claiming "it is nothing a simple email can't fix" shows how ignorant you are of the whole situation. I have been in constant touch with my friends via steam/phone. They have spent the past two days constantly emailing rockstar, sending support tickets that get instantly closed and generally going through f*cking hell. No you are insulting the sh*t they have gone through with you claiming "a simple email will fix this".

 

No the reason my friends got banned is because the autoban script f*cked up. The reason my friends got banned is because an automated script made an error and wrongly flagged them as doing something against the rules. Rockstar reviewed the bans and realised that the automated script f*cked up and fully restored all banned accounts that were mistakenly flagged as doing something wrong.

 

I don't even know why I am arguing with you, you clearly will not accept that innocent players were banned, this was a major f*ck up by Rockstar and they need to sort out their banning system and procedures to ensure this does not happen again and that gamers have a mechanism they can use to appeal an unwarranted ban because quite clearly the automated banning system is not infallible and does make mistakes.

 

Hahaha, two days of hell. Must have been horrible. We need to burn Rockstar to the ground!

Jokes aside, it's exactly like I said. Rockstar corrected the mistake fast and your friends are still alive and well. My point was, what made the system pick them? Random? I seriously doubt it. As much as the system can f*ck up, it's still a computer program and can't do something without reason. It can be harsh, but picking someone who hasn't cheated at all isn't something it can do. It's not how computer programs work.

[Gridl0k]

BTW it took 3 XB1 lobbies before I saw a level 8000, but there he was, the boatless motherf*cker.

[Professional Amateur]

BTW it took 3 XB1 lobbies before I saw a level 8000, but there he was, the boatless motherf*cker.

I saw a level 6666 (lol so funny amiritie?) in the second session I joined about 4 days ago. What a surprise.

[flexcreator]

 

... and you accidentally rubber banded your controller before you fell asleep?

No, I activated the camera thing in the bunker. I don't see how is that a reason for banning and wiping everything though.

 

 

 

 

Maybe players idleing in their offices / bunkers are a new target. ...

 

 

I just got an idea.

 

When you are inside your appartment you are invulnerable. The cheaters are exploiting this exact state to remain in a godmode during PvP.

That's why when you track players using a mod menu you see marks like Godmode even on legitimate players.

 

 

Now, normally you won't remain in this state for too long. You enter the building, do some business and get out. Then you can be killed again. Cheaters however remain in the godmode state for days or weeks (it's enabled by default in the menu).

 

Maybe the system tracks down how long the player remain the Godmode state and bans the abusers. That would explain why it confuse players ideling in a bunker watching the security cameras for hours with cheaters.

[CosmicBuffalo]

Imagine the person at R* who has to go through game data, if that is what ultimately happens...ugh this guy appears to have played the pacific standard 400 times and 600 mil in car sales and has never bought a shark card, but played the game for over 200 straight days...to unban or not unban? After doing this about 5 times, everyone is banned.

[Lonely-Martin]

 

I speak from experience with disabled family members in the past too, some things are just irreplaceable to people, things like the technological advances in entertainment and communication are a wonderful thing for all, and really do help people out there.

 

I hope to read this mess gets cleaned up.

 

 

Don't know if you are still following the topic KWF1981 but I thought I would mention that my disabled friend has been unbanned and had his character stats restored to normal. The only downside is he didn't get his bank balance restored. That is no biggie it just gives us an excuse to grind the hell out of pac standard once again with me payiing :-D

 

 

I have also checked the social club stats of my other two main partners in crime in GTA and they appear to have been unbanned. I have been playing gta with these two guys for nearly 2 years every day, we have done countless CMM challenges together, helping others, done more heists than you can shake a stick at. We have laughed, yelled and mocked each other to hell and back during the elite challenges and it is great they have been unbanned. This is how I was 1000% certain something had gone wrong with the auto banning system. These guys in no way would every cheat, violate or ruin anyones gaming experience they had to much to lose and their very actions in the game were 100% above board. Hell these guys went out of their way to help everyone they came across cos they KNOW how grindy the came would be.

 

Now I just have to convince them to actually come back to the game, because Rockstar has seriously dented their confidence in this game, hell why play a game if you are just going to lose everything like this through no fault of your own and with no way to redress any of the crap Rockstar have done and you have to just pray that Rockstar see the error of their ways.

 

Rockstar need to change their banning system and they need to have a process whereby long standing accounts get human verification and not just auto banned by a script and there needs to be a system in place where innocent people can appeal a ban. We have seen here that innocent people DO get banned, they can no longer claim the system is infallible.

 

With all due respect to Darth, or an other here. This warms my heart so much.

 

I am so glad these things are fixed for your friends, I agree, the cash wipes are a little heavy. But as you said, for some it could trigger a new lease of life. If they do indeed return. I said this in the unbanning thread, the challenges and awards I've achieved, some of the players, past and present made this game for me too, if all those awards go, and my account wiped alongside it would have a huge impact on my game, and in turn can seriously affect others, like you, there were a good few players affected by this from your list, it's not the cash, it's not the tasks... It's the groups as a whole, and if half of them get blanketed and wiped out, it breaks groups up, hurts crews, and really just spreads that way too leaving such a bad taste, that for some, went too far and may never get past in future.

 

I'm very glad to hear things have been addressed quite quickly, though it doesn't excuse these things, as for many out there, this is more than just gaming to some, for the right reasons. It's social, enabling and empowering for some guys out there and this side of online play/communication cannot be understated enough.

 

 

 

Are you saying you glitched pacific standard before together and yet she had no reason to be banned?

 

 

 

Are you one of these ignorant fools that thinks teams don't exist, or that a Pacific standard cannot be done within an hour with said team?...

 

Please do... Seriously, please do... The reaction to any objection to my question to you will really help many to laugh and forget this troubling time...

 

Classic!

[Jimbatron]

 

Maybe the system tracks down how long the player remain the Godmode state and bans the abusers. That would explain why it confuse players ideling in a bunker watching the security cameras for hours with cheaters.

It's possible but I'd be surprised that I didn't get caught in the sweep as I've been leaving me the computer on overnight to clear the research. I can believe it's something like this though. Edited June 27, 2017 by Jimbatron

[Mas u Sees]

Imagine the person at R* who has to go through game data, if that is what ultimately happens...ugh this guy appears to have played the pacific standard 400 times and 600 mil in car sales and has never bought a shark card, but played the game for over 200 straight days...to unban or not unban? After doing this about 5 times, everyone is banned.

If you think an actual person goes through each and every account you are very delusional.

 

It's all algorythms and sweeps.

[CosmicBuffalo]

Mas u Sees"

If you think an actual person goes through each and every account you are very delusional.

 

It's all algorythms and sweeps.

 

I do think solving the problem with automation ensures no one gets unbanned. But my post was meant to be funny

[Black-Dragon96]

Until I get banned for no reason I don't believe it happens. I've been a member on this forum for 4 years and I can tell you: the people here claming they are innocent, are not. There's been much talk over the years about cheating, modding, glitching... Most people here find it completely justifiable to glitch money, as revenge to Rockstar for making it hard to earn cash.

You can tell me a lot of things, but that does not make you right.

Oh and your claim that the pacific standart repeat glitch could be the reason for the ban, is bullsh*t.

You can join multiple pacific standart finales in a row, without any glitches. I myself joined 4 of them in a row. Everytime i finished one i got an invite to anotherone from someone else. The system can not see a diffrencre, between joining a new finale and joining the same finale over and over.

 

As for Rockstar support, I can garantee you, if you can send proof that the game has been unfair to you they will help you. First you get an automatic response, and the next email you get from them will be a person telling you to provide a video if you can. After you do this they will do what you ask. So the guy that got banned without ever playing online can easily provide the proof.

You get an automated response everytime you ticket contains the words bann, banned, suspended or something like this. I personally created a ticket complaining about a bug with the car suspension (it was put under bugreport) and got a standart zendesk response about suspensions from gta online (the thing with all bann decisions are final, yada yada). The ticket got closed the same second the zendesk bot gave me the automated response. I tryed 3 more times and every single one of them got the same automated response and got closed the same second.

They dont care about proof, they think their automated system works flawless and let bots respond to you. Even if you manage to get to a human support employee, they cant do jack. Most times they have no idea what your talking about (when you report bugs) because they are outsourced call center support from india or poland and have never played the game.

 

As for the rest, all that is needed is for you to have done one money glitch and have been reported and the system will register you.

As soon as I get banned for no reason I will come back here and eat my words. Until then I don't buy theese innocent bans.

Well time to eat your words. In the post i quoted you said that innocent bans do not happen. Yet in a post to charlie you say that the system aparently made a mistake. If the system made a mistake and banned peoole who did not deserve it, thats what i call an innocent ban.

[Crazy_Cico007]

LOL

[SHADOW OPS]

I knew Rockstar would never be able to get out in front of all these hackers. Way too many of them. Sad but true.

[Dacelo]

LOL

"Money is earned by working for it"

...Then why doesn't R* make us work for it rather than just putting a mobile game-esque timer on it?

[FacePaintHero]

Glad to see some accounts getting unbanned!

[Lonely-Martin]

LOL

Madness!... What's the actual difference in going idle as opposed to just walking around seeing the sights between refills?... Something I do often.

 

Some people are just so far gone.

Edited June 27, 2017 by KWF1981

[gizmonomono]

 

Until I get banned for no reason I don't believe it happens. I've been a member on this forum for 4 years and I can tell you: the people here claming they are innocent, are not. There's been much talk over the years about cheating, modding, glitching... Most people here find it completely justifiable to glitch money, as revenge to Rockstar for making it hard to earn cash.

You can tell me a lot of things, but that does not make you right.

Oh and your claim that the pacific standart repeat glitch could be the reason for the ban, is bullsh*t.

You can join multiple pacific standart finales in a row, without any glitches. I myself joined 4 of them in a row. Everytime i finished one i got an invite to anotherone from someone else. The system can not see a diffrencre, between joining a new finale and joining the same finale over and over.

 

As for Rockstar support, I can garantee you, if you can send proof that the game has been unfair to you they will help you. First you get an automatic response, and the next email you get from them will be a person telling you to provide a video if you can. After you do this they will do what you ask. So the guy that got banned without ever playing online can easily provide the proof.

You get an automated response everytime you ticket contains the words bann, banned, suspended or something like this. I personally created a ticket complaining about a bug with the car suspension (it was put under bugreport) and got a standart zendesk response about suspensions from gta online (the thing with all bann decisions are final, yada yada). The ticket got closed the same second the zendesk bot gave me the automated response. I tryed 3 more times and every single one of them got the same automated response and got closed the same second.

They dont care about proof, they think their automated system works flawless and let bots respond to you. Even if you manage to get to a human support employee, they cant do jack. Most times they have no idea what your talking about (when you report bugs) because they are outsourced call center support from india or poland and have never played the game.

 

As for the rest, all that is needed is for you to have done one money glitch and have been reported and the system will register you.

As soon as I get banned for no reason I will come back here and eat my words. Until then I don't buy theese innocent bans.

Well time to eat your words. In the post i quoted you said that innocent bans do not happen. Yet in a post to charlie you say that the system aparently made a mistake. If the system made a mistake and banned peoole who did not deserve it, thats what i call an innocent ban.

 

The part about the pacific glitch is.... I have no idea what you're talking about. You must have mistaken me with someone.

And the rest.... No, I'm not eating my words, I know what I said. I KNOW what I've been doing, I KNOW I'm not a cheater. The day I get banned, I'm gonna buy it. My point, again, was that there is no way for us to know what those people did. You recieve money from modders, you get reported for glitching, you do a glitch yourself, you will get red flagged by the system. A ban may be too harsh for everyone, but Rockstar is correcting that pretty fast. For years people have been trashing Rockstar here, bitchng about everything beeing too expensive and saying that cheating money in the game is justified. Not everyone, but a big majority. An now everyone is innocent. Pardon me for not buying it.

That's all I'm saying on this topic. I don't wanna waste any more time on this. You disagree, be my guest. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.

[Nutduster]

 

 

I didn't call your friends "dirty cheaters", you did. And I'm not talking about the mistakes, I'm talking about permanent bans. I said in the begining "it's nothing a simple email can't fix"

You all claim Rockstar just ignores your complaints. Obviously they don't.

 

EDIT:

The reason your friends got the ban in the first place was probably because the system had something on them. It was reviewed and decided that a ban was to harsh.

 

Yes you did call them cheaters you said you do not believe anyone that has been banned is innocent. The fact you keep claiming "it is nothing a simple email can't fix" shows how ignorant you are of the whole situation. I have been in constant touch with my friends via steam/phone. They have spent the past two days constantly emailing rockstar, sending support tickets that get instantly closed and generally going through f*cking hell. No you are insulting the sh*t they have gone through with you claiming "a simple email will fix this".

 

No the reason my friends got banned is because the autoban script f*cked up. The reason my friends got banned is because an automated script made an error and wrongly flagged them as doing something against the rules. Rockstar reviewed the bans and realised that the automated script f*cked up and fully restored all banned accounts that were mistakenly flagged as doing something wrong.

 

I don't even know why I am arguing with you, you clearly will not accept that innocent players were banned, this was a major f*ck up by Rockstar and they need to sort out their banning system and procedures to ensure this does not happen again and that gamers have a mechanism they can use to appeal an unwarranted ban because quite clearly the automated banning system is not infallible and does make mistakes.

 

Hahaha, two days of hell. Must have been horrible. We need to burn Rockstar to the ground!

Jokes aside, it's exactly like I said. Rockstar corrected the mistake fast and your friends are still alive and well. My point was, what made the system pick them? Random? I seriously doubt it. As much as the system can f*ck up, it's still a computer program and can't do something without reason. It can be harsh, but picking someone who hasn't cheated at all isn't something it can do. It's not how computer programs work.

 

 

You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. You realize that, right?

 

Granted, none of us REALLY know what we're talking about, due to Rockstar's complete lack of transparency on this topic. We *do not know* how the automated banning system works or what its criteria are. So we are just guessing. But when you take the side of a giant company against hundreds or thousands of individuals saying they did nothing wrong intentionally (only received money from modders that they didn't want and then reported to Rockstar), you are implicitly calling them liars and siding with the 800-lb. gorilla that doesn't need your help. Good job! Not only that, you are making completely baseless assumptions about how the system works.

 

Here's an educated guess from someone who works in software, and has for almost 20 years:

 

It's clear that they lack any real ability to detect and automatically prevent certain kinds of cheating. We know that because of all the glitches, cheats and mods that have been widely used by the player base with no repercussions for almost 4 years. Hundreds of thousands have duped cars and sold the dupes - they were not banned, their money was not removed. Similar numbers have replayed the Pac Standard finale over and over - they were not banned and their money was not removed. Rockstar often *cannot tell* legit accounts from cheating ones because they cannot with 100% certainty designate all cheating activity as such. There is a high likelihood that their ban sweeps are based on looking at stats and flagging things that seem suspicious: massive fluctuations in cash when no shark card was bought, that sort of thing. On a platform (PC) where modders dump money on people who don't even want it, and where (like all platforms) overall stats are buggy and often wrong anyway, is is IMPOSSIBLE for you to believe that the detection would misfire and sometimes detect someone who doesn't deserve to be banned?

 

If that's really how you think, you aren't as smart as you think you are. Quite the opposite, really.

[kenmy13999]

 

@Darth Absentis damn sry to hear this horrible thing that happened to you, i'm shocked I did not think it would happen to legitimate players and honest like you. This makes me sick only R* can f*ck this up so bad (we had some good time playing Heists) I Hope R* fix this and unban you.

 

P.S. I believe R* unbanned you.

The guy who said he had 43 days playtime was clearly wrong

[SHADOW OPS]

 

 

 

I didn't call your friends "dirty cheaters", you did. And I'm not talking about the mistakes, I'm talking about permanent bans. I said in the begining "it's nothing a simple email can't fix"

You all claim Rockstar just ignores your complaints. Obviously they don't.

 

EDIT:

The reason your friends got the ban in the first place was probably because the system had something on them. It was reviewed and decided that a ban was to harsh.

 

Yes you did call them cheaters you said you do not believe anyone that has been banned is innocent. The fact you keep claiming "it is nothing a simple email can't fix" shows how ignorant you are of the whole situation. I have been in constant touch with my friends via steam/phone. They have spent the past two days constantly emailing rockstar, sending support tickets that get instantly closed and generally going through f*cking hell. No you are insulting the sh*t they have gone through with you claiming "a simple email will fix this".

 

No the reason my friends got banned is because the autoban script f*cked up. The reason my friends got banned is because an automated script made an error and wrongly flagged them as doing something against the rules. Rockstar reviewed the bans and realised that the automated script f*cked up and fully restored all banned accounts that were mistakenly flagged as doing something wrong.

 

I don't even know why I am arguing with you, you clearly will not accept that innocent players were banned, this was a major f*ck up by Rockstar and they need to sort out their banning system and procedures to ensure this does not happen again and that gamers have a mechanism they can use to appeal an unwarranted ban because quite clearly the automated banning system is not infallible and does make mistakes.

 

Hahaha, two days of hell. Must have been horrible. We need to burn Rockstar to the ground!

Jokes aside, it's exactly like I said. Rockstar corrected the mistake fast and your friends are still alive and well. My point was, what made the system pick them? Random? I seriously doubt it. As much as the system can f*ck up, it's still a computer program and can't do something without reason. It can be harsh, but picking someone who hasn't cheated at all isn't something it can do. It's not how computer programs work.

 

You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. You realize that, right?

 

Granted, none of us REALLY know what we're talking about

Then we are all idiots. And I agree with this part of your assessment.

 

I duped cars and haven't been banned. I wouldn't be surprised if I was. But unless you are in someone's house and watched every second of their gameplay you cannot say they didn't cheat. Because it is someone you like on here you believe their story.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ gizmonomono... Grown men/women put their hands up when they're wrong bub!...

 

We've all been wrong or thought our opinion was the only one at sometime or another, but 'tis fun to read you atm.

[Lupo-Akane]

 

 

 

 

I just got an idea.

 

When you are inside your appartment you are invulnerable. The cheaters are exploiting this exact state to remain in a godmode during PvP.

That's why when you track players using a mod menu you see marks like Godmode even on legitimate players.

 

 

Now, normally you won't remain in this state for too long. You enter the building, do some business and get out. Then you can be killed again. Cheaters however remain in the godmode state for days or weeks (it's enabled by default in the menu).

 

Maybe the system tracks down how long the player remain the Godmode state and bans the abusers. That would explain why it confuse players ideling in a bunker watching the security cameras for hours with cheaters.

Sounds right, it would not know between the two

Edited June 27, 2017 by Lupo-Akane

[Malibu Club]

LOL

The hell is an "exploid"? Sounds like some kind of alien.

[Nutduster]

 

 

You are an idiot and have no idea what you're talking about. You realize that, right?

 

Granted, none of us REALLY know what we're talking about

Then we are all idiots. And I agree with this part of your assessment.

 

I duped cars and haven't been banned. I wouldn't be surprised if I was. But unless you are in someone's house and watched every second of their gameplay you cannot say they didn't cheat. Because it is someone you like on here you believe their story.

 

 

This is such a dense way to look at the world. You're not capable of analyzing trends? If one guy says he was banned for no reason, then yeah I am suspicious as hell. In fact I would usually dismiss it outright. But when a MASSIVE NUMBER of people all say on the same day that they were banned and did nothing wrong, or some friend of theirs was banned and did nothing wrong, that really ought to make you realize that something unusual has occurred. It's just common f*cking sense. And if you don't see that, it's very possible that you're a fanboy who is a little too invested in defending every single thing Rockstar ever does.

 

I don't usually have a problem with you but on this topic you are out to lunch. People here aren't upset just because of what happened to Darth, it's because of what happened to a number of posters here and many more on Reddit (and even more on Rockstar's own community forum), all at the same time. Maybe some of them were cheating, too. But clearly not all of them.

Edited June 27, 2017 by Nutduster

[SHADOW OPS]

Maybe he is innocent. Maybe he isn't. I have no idea and won't pretend to know.

 

People have been saying they are unjustly banned since the beginning.

[Nutduster]

Maybe he is innocent. Maybe he isn't. I have no idea and won't pretend to know.

 

People have been saying they are unjustly banned since the beginning.

 

It's like you didn't even read what I just wrote.

[Geisterfaust]

Kudos to Nutduster for once again pointing out that there is no such thing as accurate mechanism to detect cheaters in Online. And accuracy is seriously debatable as we all can see.

 

My mates with modded accounts (smart lads, under 120 when created with under 100 mil) are still playing without sweeps and bans. One of them is rocking 20 hours of playtime and rank 137, others are now looking so f*cking legit that even manual check will clear them with 99% probability: their ranks are now offset with their new playtime, money stats are plausible and unlocks are not conflicting. I can speculate that time played is irrelevant state too, especially with ability to copy rank and delete main character after.

 

Oh, and I'm beyond trying to reason with whatsaboutists. It's pointless.

Edited June 27, 2017 by hei3enberg

[SHADOW OPS]

 

Maybe he is innocent. Maybe he isn't. I have no idea and won't pretend to know.

 

People have been saying they are unjustly banned since the beginning.

It's like you didn't even read what I just wrote.

Read every word. Don't agree. People always say that I don't read it. Because they cannot fathom that someone has a differing opinion.

[Nutduster]

 

 

Maybe he is innocent. Maybe he isn't. I have no idea and won't pretend to know.

 

People have been saying they are unjustly banned since the beginning.

It's like you didn't even read what I just wrote.

Read every word. Don't agree. People always say that I don't read it. Because they cannot fathom that someone has a differing opinion.

 

 

It's not that you disagree, it's that you completely ignored the point I was making and replied saying the exact same thing as before, without even acknowledging or responding to what I said. I am asking you point blank, do you not discern any difference whatsoever between one guy saying he got banned unjustly and thousands saying it? If not, why not?

 

Or let me ask you another point-blank question: if today everyone on the game got banned except you, would you still assume they were all cheaters?

Edited June 27, 2017 by Nutduster

[Hellbendzor]

LOL

 

WTF is this Namuseth guy on about? Well to me that's a legit way to earn money... I don't have time to play this game all day long. Some folks have real life too, so whenever it's gaming time, it's time to have fun... So having the PC and your character idle, while the minions work and you're doing real life sh*t, that's a GREAT way to still have a married life AND a successful and financially secure GTA-character... The married adults in here will understand...

 

Folks these days are so damn sour... LOL... I smell jealousy...

Edited June 27, 2017 by Hellbendzor