Take Two vs. Modding

[Igor Bogdanoff]

 

It's possible with modded one, but that's not made by .black team.

Does that really make a difference? If OpenIV can be used, even just as a means to an end, to affect GTA Online... then what Rockstar said is true, and what GooDNTS said is false.

 

both are sorta right. GooD-NTS doesn't support online modding. If you use openiv.asi from official OpenIV program you can't go online Period. It's not his fault someone on some shady forums edited and released his own version of OpenIV which can be used online. And R* mistaken that version with the official OpenIV one.

[JamesK]

People are spreading the world that OpenIV is allowed again but where is the proof? I can't find any single piece of evidence about this. I can only see that there are some negotiations but that doesn't prove anything.

 

OpenIV has been updated to 2.9 (which is just the update without the message) on GTA5-mods, the account that originally uploaded & updated this is Good-NTS himself. It was updated on the website just yesterday.

 

So in some way, the download of OpenIV through their website has not been resumed but it has been on GTA5-mods.

Edited June 25, 2017 by JamesK

[MrPuncakesFTW]

Love to all you developers at OpenIV, i love ur stuff and what u do, OpenIV has helped me many times when swappin models and sounds on gta iv, Hope you'll one day rise again. (Take Two are butthurt twats)

 

And this will go down in history as the great modding war of 17'. Like how our grandfathers told us about ww1 or ww2, we will tell our grand kids about this lol

'Member the great modding assault of '17? 'Member all the OpenIV troops storming the beaches of Steam? Oooh, I 'Member!

 

<3

Edited June 25, 2017 by MrPuncakesFTW

[Reathyr]

 

It's possible with modded one, but that's not made by .black team.

Does that really make a difference? If OpenIV can be used, even just as a means to an end, to affect GTA Online... then what Rockstar said is true, and what GooDNTS said is false.

 

I don't think you can hold the OpenIV team liable for someone else cracking their program and disabling the the safety features they have put in to prevent online use, and then putting that cracked version up for hackers to abuse, I mean they went above and beyond to secure their program, not spread the code, and basically make it hard to get into, but if a Hacker wants to get inside the guts of a program then he or she will, it will just take time and patience but eventually they will crack that sucker and gain access, and you as the programmer can't do anything about that, there's only so many defenses you can put up, and things like changing the entire encryption each time you make an update to the program is just not viable.

[JuniorChubb]

 

It's possible with modded one, but that's not made by .black team.

Does that really make a difference? If OpenIV can be used, even just as a means to an end, to affect GTA Online... then what Rockstar said is true, and what GooDNTS said is false.

 

I make you right... and maybe our anger is misplaced. As ever the people making money from menus/modded accounts/leaks and destroying on line 'seem' to be escaping criticism when ultimately they started the clock ticking on this whole fiasco.

[Yinepi]

 

 

It's possible with modded one, but that's not made by .black team.

Does that really make a difference? If OpenIV can be used, even just as a means to an end, to affect GTA Online... then what Rockstar said is true, and what GooDNTS said is false.

 

I don't think you can hold the OpenIV team liable for someone else cracking their program and disabling the the safety features they have put in to prevent online use, and then putting that cracked version up for hackers to abuse, I mean they went above and beyond to secure their program, not spread the code, and basically make it hard to get into, but if a Hacker wants to get inside the guts of a program then he or she will, it will just take time and patience but eventually they will crack that sucker and gain access, and you as the programmer can't do anything about that, there's only so many defenses you can put up, and things like changing the entire encryption each time you make an update to the program is just not viable.

 

Honestly, that's the worst thing about OpenIV is that the team doesn't share the code. Which in turn stumbles the progress of decryption of Rockstar's file system by preventing users from freely and openly contributing, and also leaves the entire modding community vulnerable to incidents of Rockstar and Take-Two stupidity by making the entire community reliant on one single tool. The closed source of OpenIV's developement does more harm overall than good and this recent incident is all but evident of that.

 

As for Online prevention, there was nothing that prevented openiv.asi from loading when launching Online, thus some custom modded archives were still loaded and usable. It was Scripthook that prevented going online with it installed, but Scripthook isn't required to run or use modded archives, only custom scripts. Which this in turn indicates that OpenIV team didn't have much measures in place to prevent modded archives from loading Online.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Yinepi

[RonBWL]

Honestly, that's the worst thing about OpenIV is that the team doesn't share the code. Which in turn stumbles the progress of decryption of Rockstar's file system by preventing users from freely contributing, and also leaves the entire modding community vulnerable to incidents of Rockstar and Take-Two stupidity by making the entire community reliant on one single tool. The closed source of OpenIV's development does more harm overall than good and this recent incident is all but evident of that.

OpenIV was simply too powerful to be made open-sourced, because any hackers could then make use of it to mess with GTA Online. And beside, if the community is THAT good, why don't they just band together and make one themselves?

 

I really can't understand why people are so against closed source projects, there's always a reason behind that, and we gotta live with it.

[Yinepi]

 

Honestly, that's the worst thing about OpenIV is that the team doesn't share the code. Which in turn stumbles the progress of decryption of Rockstar's file system by preventing users from freely contributing, and also leaves the entire modding community vulnerable to incidents of Rockstar and Take-Two stupidity by making the entire community reliant on one single tool. The closed source of OpenIV's development does more harm overall than good and this recent incident is all but evident of that.

OpenIV was simply too powerful to be made open-sourced, because any hackers could then make use of it to mess with GTA Online. And beside, if the community is THAT good, why don't they just band together and make one themselves?

 

I really can't understand why people are so against closed source projects, there's always a reason behind that, and we gotta live with it.

 

OpenIV can already be used to "mess with" online because it doesn't prevent all modded archives from loading. A modded update.rpf will still load, it was only Rockstar's recently updated anti-cheat that prevents it now, not OpenIV. And even then, Rockstar's anti-cheat doesn't prevent modded archives from loading, all it does is look for files with certain extensions that are not native to GTAV file system. .asi, .dll, etc. Many of these are used to inject code that bypasses the dreaded Rockstar's DRM that prevents the game from launching with modded archives.

 

And yes I do believe the community is THAT good. This is why I'm adamant against closed source modding tools. Look at what this community has created in the last 20 years. From tools to import new models and textures, to tools that allow us to edit audio and animations, to even implementing third party scripts and in-game mod managers. We are THAT good and we didn't accomplish all of this by being closed source.

 

Also, you honestly can't understand why? Do we need to repeat the last two weeks again until you do?

Edited June 25, 2017 by Yinepi

[MrGTAmodsgerman]

I haven't read here since yesterday, any news? Any statement from GooD-NTS?

[_CP_]

No.

[MCMXCII]

I haven't read here since yesterday, any news? Any statement from GooD-NTS?

Probably won't be until sometime this week.

[ATP2555]

 

 

It's possible with modded one, but that's not made by .black team.

Does that really make a difference? If OpenIV can be used, even just as a means to an end, to affect GTA Online... then what Rockstar said is true, and what GooDNTS said is false.

 

both are sorta right. GooD-NTS doesn't support online modding. If you use openiv.asi from official OpenIV program you can't go online Period. It's not his fault someone on some shady forums edited and released his own version of OpenIV which can be used online. And R* mistaken that version with the official OpenIV one.

 

I knew some anonymous asshole was responsible for this.

[eduj77]

This is not legal at all.

Since if I design a ferrari the ferrari logo would be a problem, if the brand ferrari sanctioned Rock Star by allowing its logos and makes and models.

That would allow Rock Star to sanction those who develop programs for mods and declare them illegal?

Are mods allowed as long as they do not include brands, logos, etc?

Is it not real cars?

Even in single player mode?

Edited June 25, 2017 by eduj77

[Reathyr]

 

This is not legal at all.

Since if I design a ferrari the ferrari logo would be a problem, if the brand ferrari sanctioned Rock Star by allowing its logos and makes and models.

That would allow Rock Star to sanction those who develop programs for mods and declare them illegal?

Are mods allowed as long as they do not include brands, logos, etc?

Is it not real cars?

Even in single player mode?

 

That would involve several things, most importantly being that Ferrari:

A. Be aware that you are modding in their cars for free, as a mod, not sanctioned by the developers of GTA, so someone would have to tell them.

and

B. Care, which they probably don't, you're not making money off of it, neither is Rockstar and if they go chasing down every modded Ferrari in games, every unsanctioned high detail 3D model made by enthusiasts they'd be up to their eyeballs in lawsuits and C&D's and seriously piss off their fans in the process.

 

So as long as you're not selling it, as long as you're not pretending to be them, or that it came from them, you're pretty fine putting in real cars in Single Player GTAV, the car manufacturers don't care, and might even see it as free publicity.

Edited June 25, 2017 by Reathyr

[eduj77]

 

 

This is not legal at all.

Since if I design a ferrari the ferrari logo would be a problem, if the brand ferrari sanctioned Rock Star by allowing its logos and makes and models.

That would allow Rock Star to sanction those who develop programs for mods and declare them illegal?

Are mods allowed as long as they do not include brands, logos, etc?

Is it not real cars?

Even in single player mode?

 

That would involve several things, most importantly being that Ferrari:

A. Be aware that you are modding in their cars for free, as a mod, not sanctioned by the developers of GTA, so someone would have to tell them.

and

B. Care, which they probably don't, you're not making money off of it, neither is Rockstar and if they go chasing down every modded Ferrari in games, every unsanctioned high detail 3D model made by enthusiasts they'd be up to their eyeballs in lawsuits and C&D's and seriously piss off their fans in the process.

 

So as long as you're not selling it, as long as you're not pretending to be them, or that it came from them, you're pretty fine putting in real cars in Single Player GTAV, the car manufacturers don't care, and might even see it as free publicity.

 

Thanks for the clarification, I can be more calm.

[Aiden Jackson]

 

 

 

This is not legal at all.

Since if I design a ferrari the ferrari logo would be a problem, if the brand ferrari sanctioned Rock Star by allowing its logos and makes and models.

That would allow Rock Star to sanction those who develop programs for mods and declare them illegal?

Are mods allowed as long as they do not include brands, logos, etc?

Is it not real cars?

Even in single player mode?

 

That would involve several things, most importantly being that Ferrari:

A. Be aware that you are modding in their cars for free, as a mod, not sanctioned by the developers of GTA, so someone would have to tell them.

and

B. Care, which they probably don't, you're not making money off of it, neither is Rockstar and if they go chasing down every modded Ferrari in games, every unsanctioned high detail 3D model made by enthusiasts they'd be up to their eyeballs in lawsuits and C&D's and seriously piss off their fans in the process.

 

So as long as you're not selling it, as long as you're not pretending to be them, or that it came from them, you're pretty fine putting in real cars in Single Player GTAV, the car manufacturers don't care, and might even see it as free publicity.

 

Thanks for the clarification, I can be more calm.

 

Rockstar is not advisable to license the vehicles in the game because it would already have a large sum of lost money and lost time to make the license the vehicles, so the cars modify the design so that they do not As similar as in real life.

Example: The Banshee has is similar to the Dodge Viper

Edited June 25, 2017 by Frank30

[eduj77]

 

 

 

 

This is not legal at all.

Since if I design a ferrari the ferrari logo would be a problem, if the brand ferrari sanctioned Rock Star by allowing its logos and makes and models.

That would allow Rock Star to sanction those who develop programs for mods and declare them illegal?

Are mods allowed as long as they do not include brands, logos, etc?

Is it not real cars?

Even in single player mode?

 

That would involve several things, most importantly being that Ferrari:

A. Be aware that you are modding in their cars for free, as a mod, not sanctioned by the developers of GTA, so someone would have to tell them.

and

B. Care, which they probably don't, you're not making money off of it, neither is Rockstar and if they go chasing down every modded Ferrari in games, every unsanctioned high detail 3D model made by enthusiasts they'd be up to their eyeballs in lawsuits and C&D's and seriously piss off their fans in the process.

 

So as long as you're not selling it, as long as you're not pretending to be them, or that it came from them, you're pretty fine putting in real cars in Single Player GTAV, the car manufacturers don't care, and might even see it as free publicity.

 

Thanks for the clarification, I can be more calm.

 

Rockstar is not advisable to license the vehicles in the game because it would already have a large sum of lost money and lost time to make the license the vehicles, so the cars modify the design so that they do not As similar as in real life.

Example: The Banshee has is similar to the Dodge Viper

 

Thank you!

[Happy Hunter]

They've now taken to banning innocent people on the PC version of GTA Online. You guys don't have to believe me, but a huge amount of people have come forward, some long-time members who have a lot of people who vouch for them, etc.

 

Not good.

 

Probably some kind of movement to get Rockstar to overturn that or at least give us some answers will be made at some point. If anyone wants to jump aboard when it's up, that'd be really helpful, considering how you've all managed to push this issue into the light.

[MvcGyver]

What is the current situation of Liberty City mod now that Take 2 and RockStars have been rectified in banning modding on PC?

Edited June 25, 2017 by MvcGyver

[_CP_]

LC is dead forever. That is the current and future situation.

[Aiden Jackson]

What is the current situation of Liberty City mod now that Take 2 and RockStars have been rectified in banning modding on PC?

Read the article:

https://support.rockstargames.com/hc/en-us/articles/115009494848

Edited June 25, 2017 by Frank30

[Xilandro]

LC is dead forever. That is the current and future situation.

OIV's LC - definitely. But there is some hope: other, publicly available and not so good (yet) LC mods. R*\T2 can, and will send C&Ds, but other devs will pick it up where previous dev left it. IIRC, That's what happened after FiveM got C&Dd. Now there are multiple MP projects and tons of servers.

[andsim]

ok i have tested with openiv on my gtav but still cant get on online. not sure why

[StreetGT]

ok i have tested with openiv on my gtav but still cant get on online. not sure why

 

be sure you don't have a commandline.txt file in your GTA V folder, if so, remove it.

[andsim]

 

ok i have tested with openiv on my gtav but still cant get on online. not sure why

 

be sure you don't have a commandline.txt file in your GTA V folder, if so, remove it.

 

try again now ty

[StreetGT]

 

 

ok i have tested with openiv on my gtav but still cant get on online. not sure why

 

be sure you don't have a commandline.txt file in your GTA V folder, if so, remove it.

 

try again now ty

 

 

I'm not joking dude, SHV creates a commandline.txt file sometimes. Open it and see if the file contains-scOfflineOnly.

[andsim]

still issue no commandline.txt

steam version

Edited June 26, 2017 by andsim

[gtaw1ngz57]

This is getting confusing without any official statement from Good himself. What the hell is happening? Is OpenIV legal now but will no longer be updated? Will it be updated? Is Liberty City port dead?

[rollschuh2282]

still issue no commandline.txt

steam version

 

maybe check the launch options in steam for GTA, and when you try to go online, what is the message?

Edited June 26, 2017 by rollschuh2282

[andsim]

it say alert

http://imgur.com/2ex7YZD

Edited June 26, 2017 by andsim