Take Two vs. Modding

[sgtsev3n]

its hard to believe.

 

What if its just a tactic to gain more buyers during summer sales?

[LaV07]

GooD-NTS has somehow commented?

[Aiden Jackson]

GooD-NTS has somehow commented?

No,we have to wait

[JamesK]

Well at least they have updated to 2.9 (2 hours ago) on gta5-mods. But yeah that doesn't mean everything is back like it was. It looks like the only thing you can legally import into the game is something that doesn't infringe intellectual property, so like if you created your own car that didn't look like a real car.

Edited June 24, 2017 by JamesK

[The F]

Well, what can i say? I never followed these forums until now, and somehow i regret not being in touch with this amazing community. This episode was just more about defending my right to play offline the way i wanted though, i thought it was about the future of gaming in general, and how big companies can step in your private spaces, dictating how you should play. Well it seems the battle is won for now, (yes, even if there will be some compromises, it's still a victory) and my respect and appreciation goes to everyone who fought this battle, even if (like me) it was no more than about signing a petition.

 

Another thing, a bit off topic, but worth mentioning:

 

I come from the Star Citizen community, i'm more active there. A fairly large part of that community, me included, fights since about 3 years in order to convince the developers to ditch certain control schemes, that negatively impact gameplay and dumb down the whole game into a shallow shooter. Well, being here during this time greatly inspired me to keep the "good fight" even there, it taught me that communities matter, that listening to the playerbase is crucial for any developers, so i want to thank everyone that has not given up, giving me hope for something that is not related to what happened here, but definitely IT IS related, on a wider scale...

[LennyH]

Something is happening indeed, R* is trying to fix their connection with the modding community and now Take 2, R* and OIV team are in contacts.

 

I'm not sure if OpenIV is coming back, or if it is, it's going to have limitations or it's going to be in collaboration with R*.

 

I just hope modding comes back the way it used to be.

[K0ol-G-R4P]

Something is happening indeed, R* is trying to fix their connection with the modding community and now Take 2, R* and OIV team are in contacts.

 

I'm not sure if OpenIV is coming back, or if it is, it's going to have limitations or it's going to be in collaboration with R*.

 

I just hope modding comes back the way it used to be.

Definitely going to have changes.

 

One of them I expect is an exe check to verify the game is not pirated.

[Marty McFly]

https://www.polygon.com/2017/6/23/15864600/rockstar-taketwo-openiv-gta-mod-legal-cease-desist

 

"Good-NDS"

 

topkek

[FoxtrotDelta]

Lets wait for a response from openiv team. Things are looking up better.

 

We will correct steam reviews only after confirmation

[JamesK]

 

Something is happening indeed, R* is trying to fix their connection with the modding community and now Take 2, R* and OIV team are in contacts.

 

I'm not sure if OpenIV is coming back, or if it is, it's going to have limitations or it's going to be in collaboration with R*.

 

I just hope modding comes back the way it used to be.

Definitely going to have changes.

 

One of them I expect is an exe check to verify the game is not pirated.

 

 

Fun fact, I'm pretty sure RageHook already checks this (and people are mad because they therefore can't play LSPDFR with a cracked version).

 

Even though I personally wouldn't mind this, I'm not very enthusiast about this because even though I LEGALLY PURCHASED THE GAME, I, in the last days, considered downloading a cracked version where I could be free and mod whatever I want. Where I live (somewhere in Europe), cracking a game is not illegal if you purchased the original (if you bought it but somehow scratched the disc, it ain't illegal to download it).

 

If it is one of the T2 conditions for the OpenIV team to come back well so be it, but I don't really like this idea of being more dependant from T2. Having a legal version means they can basically do whatever they want in the next update, including hindering mods...

[gandalfthestupid]

Well at least they have updated to 2.9 (2 hours ago) on gta5-mods. But yeah that doesn't mean everything is back like it was. It looks like the only thing you can legally import into the game is something that doesn't infringe intellectual property, so like if you created your own car that didn't look like a real car.

So I guess that means no more Aston Martin or adding cars from other games such as GTA IV?

[Sebianoti]

 

Well at least they have updated to 2.9 (2 hours ago) on gta5-mods. But yeah that doesn't mean everything is back like it was. It looks like the only thing you can legally import into the game is something that doesn't infringe intellectual property, so like if you created your own car that didn't look like a real car.

So I guess that means no more Aston Martin or adding cars from other games such as GTA IV?

 

 

Rockstar won't take down individual mods such as those, it's up to copyright holders to submit DMCA requests to websites like gta5-mods.com, they can't officially support those type of mods, doesn't mean they'll take action against them.

[sgtsev3n]

also, they said its not allowed to port content from other rockstar titles aswell.

 

They took down OpenIV & Liberty City V also because its made by the same team.

 

What if ANOTHER person port LC and uses OpenIV for it? Will they take down OpenIV for it? If yes, then its pretty f*cked up and modding could be stopped in days. What if some Online fanboys want to destroy modding for GTA V and start a RDR or LC port again and uses OpenIV for it?

 

not sure if i should start with gta V again, i mean ok they try to solve it, but T2 & Rockstar showed already its true face and 1 week was wasted, imangine what several modteams who used OpenIV could have done in those 1 week, including the OpenIV team who lost now 1 week to work on OpenIV.

[JamesK]

 

Well at least they have updated to 2.9 (2 hours ago) on gta5-mods. But yeah that doesn't mean everything is back like it was. It looks like the only thing you can legally import into the game is something that doesn't infringe intellectual property, so like if you created your own car that didn't look like a real car.

So I guess that means no more Aston Martin or adding cars from other games such as GTA IV?

 

 

As I undersand it yes. If they convert a car from a car game (say, Forza), it is illegal. If someone creates a car (say an Aston Martin) from scratch with a modelling program, it is illegal (because infriges Aston Martin's intellectual property). Converting the RDR map or GTAIV cars is also illegal because it is Rockstar's intellectual property.

 

I sincerly hope it will NOT be as harsh and restrictive. If it is then we would only mod with scripts, trainers, or cars & maps that are FULLY imagined, free of rights, and created by users.

 

-> It's kind of unsure for the Liberty City conversion for GTA5 because the mod was intended to work ONLY if you owned GTAIV and it would use "your" GTAIV files and NOT provide and allow you to download GTAIV files.

 

So even though they kind of backed off and OpenIV has shown signs of hope, I SINCERLY hope I am WRONG.

Edited June 24, 2017 by JamesK

[Sebianoti]

also, they said its not allowed to port content from other rockstar titles aswell.

 

They took down OpenIV & Liberty City V also because its made by the same team.

 

What if ANOTHER person port LC and uses OpenIV for it? Will they take down OpenIV for it? If yes, then its pretty f*cked up and modding could be stopped in days. What if some Online fanboys want to destroy modding for GTA V and start a RDR or LC port again and uses OpenIV for it?

 

not sure if i should start with gta V again, i mean ok they try to solve it, but T2 & Rockstar showed already its true face and 1 week was wasted, imangine what several modteams who used OpenIV could have done in those 1 week, including the OpenIV team who lost now 1 week to work on OpenIV.

 

OpenIV has a workaround,

 

Q: The Liberty City is big, how much I must download?

A: Because Liberty City takes a lot of space and we do not have rights to distribute it as our work, we decided to make this mod as an automatic convertor that converts Liberty City from your copy of GTA IV into your copy of GTA V.

Edited June 24, 2017 by Sebianoti

[MissingNoGuy55]

also, they said its not allowed to port content from other rockstar titles aswell.

 

They took down OpenIV & Liberty City V also because its made by the same team.

 

What if ANOTHER person port LC and uses OpenIV for it? Will they take down OpenIV for it? If yes, then its pretty f*cked up and modding could be stopped in days. What if some Online fanboys want to destroy modding for GTA V and start a RDR or LC port again and uses OpenIV for it?

 

not sure if i should start with gta V again, i mean ok they try to solve it, but T2 & Rockstar showed already its true face and 1 week was wasted, imangine what several modteams who used OpenIV could have done in those 1 week, including the OpenIV team who lost now 1 week to work on OpenIV.

 

Map mods are weird in the sense that the filesystem just doesn't allow adding maps in and having them work. They have to be loaded, and the engine (especially GTA V's version of RAGE) loves to play the priority game. Everything has to be defined, so it would be extremely difficult to streamline actually having it ported from GTA IV with something like a batch file or installation script. So instead, we have the map from GTA IV packed into a format GTA V can work with and redistributed.

 

If there was a method with an installation script that uses tools to take the content from GTA IV and convert it on the fly, it would definitely be a different story, but also very difficult, and something I doubt the team would want to pursue.

[LennyH]

 

 

Something is happening indeed, R* is trying to fix their connection with the modding community and now Take 2, R* and OIV team are in contacts.

 

I'm not sure if OpenIV is coming back, or if it is, it's going to have limitations or it's going to be in collaboration with R*.

 

I just hope modding comes back the way it used to be.

Definitely going to have changes.

 

One of them I expect is an exe check to verify the game is not pirated.

 

 

Fun fact, I'm pretty sure RageHook already checks this (and people are mad because they therefore can't play LSPDFR with a cracked version).

 

Even though I personally wouldn't mind this, I'm not very enthusiast about this because even though I LEGALLY PURCHASED THE GAME, I, in the last days, considered downloading a cracked version where I could be free and mod whatever I want. Where I live (somewhere in Europe), cracking a game is not illegal if you purchased the original (if you bought it but somehow scratched the disc, it ain't illegal to download it).

 

If it is one of the T2 conditions for the OpenIV team to come back well so be it, but I don't really like this idea of being more dependant from T2. Having a legal version means they can basically do whatever they want in the next update, including hindering mods...

 

Nope, I have both cracked and original, I use the cracked for mods and RageHook doesn't detect sh*t lol.

[JamesK]

As far as I know using GTAIV files from the user (and not giving already converted files) has been the main line of the project, and probably has always been

________

 

@LennyH

 

Oeps, my bad. Or maybe RageHook allowed cracked versions? Anyhow I'm pretty sure a lot of people complained they couldn't play LSPDFR with a cracked version because some softare didn't allow it.

Edited June 24, 2017 by JamesK

[MeatSafeMurderer]

As far as I know using GTAIV files from the user (and not giving already converted files) has been the main line of the project, and probably has always been

________

 

@LennyH

 

Oeps, my bad. Or maybe RageHook allowed cracked versions? Anyhow I'm pretty sure a lot of people complained they couldn't play LSPDFR with a cracked version because some softare didn't allow it.

Define allow...few, if any mods *allow* use of a cracked version...but few if any actually have anything to stop it either. LC could be a different story. With communication between OIV and R* opened up R* may assist in making it detect pirated versions...if they're okay with it all. Edited June 24, 2017 by MeatSafeMurderer

[boyben]

https://www.polygon.com/2017/6/23/15864600/rockstar-taketwo-openiv-gta-mod-legal-cease-desist

 

"Good-NDS"

 

topkek

Vice made the same mistake with their article, too.

[MCMXCII]

 

https://www.polygon.com/2017/6/23/15864600/rockstar-taketwo-openiv-gta-mod-legal-cease-desist

 

"Good-NDS"

 

topkek

Vice made the same mistake with their article, too.Well to be fair, the letter 'T' and letter 'D' both sound similar. So the author of those articles probably thought it was correct when it isn't.

[Aiden Jackson]

 

 

https://www.polygon.com/2017/6/23/15864600/rockstar-taketwo-openiv-gta-mod-legal-cease-desist

 

"Good-NDS"

 

topkek

Vice made the same mistake with their article, too.

Well to be fair, the letter 'T' and letter 'D' both sound similar. So the author of those articles probably thought it was correct when it isn't.

 

They were wrong in a letter only. We all make mistakes

 

Edited June 24, 2017 by Frank30

[DM the Pro]

So, Modding is back or not?

[Claude_Lib]

Sheet, does it mean that I now really have to do it? Thank you, Strauss, much appreciated.

 

 

I hereby declare that if OpenIV will be allowed to run again and PC games will be allowed to mod the single player part of Grand Theft Auto V, I will buy the most expensive Shark Card and change my negative review on Steam to positive.

 

Come on now, Mr. Zelnick, your turn.

Edited June 24, 2017 by Claude_Lib

[_CP_]

@Claube_Lib
Prepare your 3700p.

[gandalfthestupid]

A long time ago in a galaxy far far away....

 

 

 

GRAND THEFT AUTO V

[The Deadite]

 

So, Modding is back or not?

Posiblemente si,falta la confirmacion de GooD-NTS.Hey kid, are you a mexico?

[Reyser]

 

 

So, Modding is back or not?

Posiblemente si,falta la confirmacion de GooD-NTS.

Hey kid, are you a mexico?

 

He's from Argentina lol...

[Aiden Jackson]

 

 

So, Modding is back or not?

Posiblemente si,falta la confirmacion de GooD-NTS.

Hey kid, are you a mexico?

 

No, I'm from Argentina

 

Edited June 24, 2017 by Frank30

[Electric_Gamers]

 

 

 

So, Modding is back or not?

Posiblemente si,falta la confirmacion de GooD-NTS.

Hey kid, are you a mexico?

 

He's from Argentina lol...

 

I was about to say the same. Just because one speaks Castellano (or spanish for english speakers) doesn't mean he's from spain and/or mexico. There are many spanish speaking countries around the world.