Take Two vs. Modding

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

 

 

Good news. I'm not into modding, but it's good that Rockstar connects with the fans rather than being another faceless corporation. That will earn them more respect and appreciation.

 

Im sorry did anyone here even read their statement? They're basically doubling down and they're saying that they can can take down any mod at any time because its within their right... OpenIV is still banned soooo.... f*ck Rockstar and Take2

 

That was the most soulless PR "explanation" ive heard in a while. dont know why R* are getting praise

 

This is just a formal declaration of their new policies

 

 

Wisen up. It was obvious from (almost) the beginning that their main concerns were protecting the online experience from hackers and preventing full-map conversions. OpenIV was mistakenly targeted by their witch hunt, probably due to the hacked OpenIV.asi files used by online cheaters. They won't go after anyone else nor try to take anything down that doesn't violate one of those two concerns. Especially not after the sh*tstorm that just took place.

 

I don't know why you call this a "new" policy, because there used to be no policy at all, aside from the EULA that says you can't mod, period.

 

Despite the EULA, modding still thrived. And despite this official policy, they won't start sending cease-and-desists to everyone who converts a Skyline from Forza or a Merit from GTA IV.

 

The way I see it, everything's back to normal. The C&D to OpenIV was a mistake, this is their way of acknowledging it. Everyone can now move on and learn from their experience.

 

Are you serious with that "accidental CnD"? They LITERALLY just double downed on T2's moronic statement. f*cking read clause ii

You know what, we'll just wait and see because some of yall are in la la land or some sh*t.

Edited June 23, 2017 by DeeDogg_

[wootwoots]

nvm

Edited June 23, 2017 by wootwoots

[El Dorado]

INCLUDE LIBERTY CITY ON GTA V ON THE DEAL OR DON'T DO THE DEAL

 

jk

[nkjellman]

 

Let us all hope and pray that Liberty City will also remain ...

it won't, map mods are strictly off-limits according to Rockstar.

 

Converting from one game to another and releasing those converted files is bad.

 

Making a tool that requires you to own both games, I think not. I believe that it is possible that LC will be able to continue. It would be more profitable for Rockstar. They would suddenly start selling a bunch more copies of GTA IV PC.

[El Dorado]

make the converter to actually check for valid licenses on the installed games, idk

[MeatSafeMurderer]

 

 

 

 

Good news. I'm not into modding, but it's good that Rockstar connects with the fans rather than being another faceless corporation. That will earn them more respect and appreciation.

 

Im sorry did anyone here even read their statement? They're basically doubling down and they're saying that they can can take down any mod at any time because its within their right... OpenIV is still banned soooo.... f*ck Rockstar and Take2

 

That was the most soulless PR "explanation" ive heard in a while. dont know why R* are getting praise

 

This is just a formal declaration of their new policies

 

Wisen up. It was obvious from (almost) the beginning that their main concerns were protecting the online experience from hackers and preventing full-map conversions. OpenIV was mistakenly targeted by their witch hunt, probably due to the hacked OpenIV.asi files used by online cheaters. They won't go after anyone else nor try to take anything down that doesn't violate one of those two concerns. Especially not after the sh*tstorm that just took place.

 

I don't know why you call this a "new" policy, because there used to be no policy at all, aside from the EULA that says you can't mod, period.

 

Despite the EULA, modding still thrived. And despite this official policy, they won't start sending cease-and-desists to everyone who converts a Skyline from Forza or a Merit from GTA IV.

 

The way I see it, everything's back to normal. The C&D to OpenIV was a mistake, this is their way of acknowledging it. Everyone can now move on and learn from their experience.

 

 

Are you serious with that "accidental CnD"? They LITERALLY just double downed on T2's moronic statement. f*cking read clause ii

You know what, we'll just wait and see because some of yall are in la la land or some sh*t.

 

Actions speak louder than words...the fact that the OpenIV team have ALREADY been able to release an update without having to cut hundreds of features stands as a contradiction to that statement. The fact remains that we need to wait for a statement from GooD-NTS...however I cannot see it having much bad news aside from the expected...that the LC conversion will not be allowed to continue. Edited June 23, 2017 by MeatSafeMurderer

[GTADriver64]

Am I the only one whichs game is crashing because OpenIV.asi has not been patched yet?

[nkjellman]

make the converter to actually check for valid licenses on the installed games, idk

Agreed. If they can work together to do that, it will be a win win.

[MAD BOSS]

 

 

Let us all hope and pray that Liberty City will also remain ...

it won't, map mods are strictly off-limits according to Rockstar.

 

Converting from one game to another and releasing those converted files is bad.

 

Agreed. Keep the map ports off the forums and main modding sites, please. I appreciate the work, but don't make us go all up in arms again because of few conversions. Be smart. It's not hard to listen to simple instructions for the good of majority.

[Kesha_F1]

They wanted to make a good face in a bad game. C&D for OpenIV was a very large and gross mistake of T2!

[GTADriver64]

snip

Edited June 23, 2017 by GTADriver64

[Reyser]

 

 

 

Let us all hope and pray that Liberty City will also remain ...

it won't, map mods are strictly off-limits according to Rockstar.

 

Converting from one game to another and releasing those converted files is bad.

 

Agreed. Keep the map ports off the forums and main modding sites, please. I appreciate the work, but don't make us go all up in arms again because of few conversions. Be smart. It's not hard to listen to simple instructions for the good of majority.

 

Don't worry guys. If LC conversion is continued an finished by OpenIV team, we (at GTA5-Mods.com) won't approve any LC upload, so they won't be able to release it there, at least not with me as Moderator.

[GTADriver64]

Am I the only one whichs game is crashing because OpenIV.asi has not been patched yet?

 

If no, can anybody maybe upload the OpenIV.asi for me, I cant wait that the website gets updated. Enough Patience.

[Gummy]

Am I the only one whichs game is crashing because OpenIV.asi has not been patched yet?

Must be a broken rpf somewhere in the mods folder. I had this issue and I deleted a corrupted mod and it works.

[Mr.Arrow]

It seems like map modding will be extremely limited .....

[MAD BOSS]

ZELNICK LOW ON HP

 

Do you guys think Zelnick is getting a note from the Board now? At end of the day, a guy managed to crumble the stocks and made a horrible image out of T2 across the Steam and all industry media in just few days. He really done did it.

[SaveOpenIV]

Yes, yes it is: http://www.dev-c.com/gtav/scripthookv/

 

I wonder how this whole situation will change in a couple of months...probably nothing will change, but I'm a realist type of guy.

Gentlemen & Women, We've done it. We've WON! Today marks a victory and the day Rockstar understands the wrong decision they've made and hopefully will never again do!

Love every single one of you and I'd like to say thank you to everyone who signed.

Update is here: https://motherboard.vice.com/en_us/article/ywz87k/rockstar-games-talks-publisher-into-leaving-grand-theft-auto-v-modders-alone

 

News right now

"Rockstar Games believes in reasonable fan creativity, and, in particular, wants creators to showcase their passion for our games," Rockstar said in a statement on its website. "After discussions with Take-Two, Take-Two has agreed that it generally will not take legal action against third-party projects involving Rockstar's PC games that are single-player, non-commercial, and respect the intellectual property (IP) rights of third parties. This does not apply to (i) multiplayer or online services; (ii) tools, files, libraries, or functions that could be used to impact multiplayer or online services, or (iii) use or importation of other IP (including other Rockstar IP) in the project."

The second (ii) stipulation here is where things get complicated. The whole reason OpenIV is so popular in the modding community is that it allows users to decrypt, read, and edit the game's proprietary file format. That's what makes-single player modding possible. The issue is that some users have taken advantage of this ability to tinker with GTA Online, ruining the experience for other players by cheating."

 

How this all started 'Call with T2'

 

 

* A week earlier *

Rockstar: Let's stop modding for everyone and hand out c&d's who violate this, all in favor ? (everyone's hand raises)

Rockstar: Let's call the publisher to take care of this...

* Call rings *

T2: What do you want? We're swimming in money from your game.

R*: we need to get rid of the modders online somehow, let's take down OpenIV, that'll show em.

T2: Okay, on it.

R*: thank y- *click*

*T2 hung up...*

* June 14th, 2017 Open IV is shut down due to C & D*

*Call from T2 on line one*

T2: It's done. *Click*

R*: okay, now that that's over with, let's figure this out.

* Call to T2 the next day*

R*: Take down Hack menus like Force-H4X & Menyoo.

T2: got it.

* the next day C&D's were sent out *

T2: It's done

R*: thank y- *click*

* The next day *

R*: Let's check our game reviews today and see what's going to happen

R*: Boss, we have a problem We went from positive to Negative within a few days...

R*: Let's just stay quiet for a bit.

* Players now go towards other games and disgrace each and every game review all over the internet *

R*: We should really stop this, it's pissing people off to much to make us all lose money we should admit to T2 we were wrong about OpenIV...

R*: All in favor? (All hands are raised) Okay, let's get this over with...

Rockstar: Yeah, lets reverse what we did, we really f*cked up... We should call the publisher...

* Calls the publisher 'T2' and explains the situation *

T2: What do you want now?

R*: we made a horrible decision, and we want to discuss the C&D with the OpenIV Team, it's making us lose money.

T2: ..... Great, here we go again.. Fine, Schedule a meeting.

T2: * click*

Rockstar: We'll he's pissed off... in other news guys what did we learn?

Rockstar Associate: Don't f*ck with your player fan base otherwise it'll get so far into the news where your stocks plummet.T2: .... I can't believe this.

 

 

 

In other news

Last night

RECENT: Overwhelmingly Negative (50,264 reviews)

OVERALL: Mixed (240,477 reviews)

 

Percentages

Recent: 11% Positive

Overall: 64% Positive

 

Now (10:31 PM)

RECENT: Overwhelmingly Negative (52,725 reviews)

OVERALL: Mixed (242,892 reviews)

 

Percentages

Recent: 11% Positive

Overall: 63% Positive

 

Difference

Recent: 2461 reviews

Mixed: 2415 reviews

Edited June 23, 2017 by SaveOpenIV

[GTAFanClub]

I think this is the beginning of Rockstar splitting up with Take-2.

[GTADriver64]

I have moved the mods folder out of the GTA Folder, the biggest problem is I cant find the standard OpenIV Download, I only have the update file. Where else can I get the OpenIV Download File?

[MissingNoGuy55]

make the converter to actually check for valid licenses on the installed games, idk

 

I'm surprised this wasn't in-place already. I understand the desire for modding and it being a community effort, but it just raises a bunch of legal red flags if it doesn't check that you own the game with the content first. It's a special case with Red Dead Redemption as no PC version exists.

 

Even some mods for Source engine games have this check in place. Garry's Mod is one example.

Edited June 23, 2017 by MissingNoGuy55

[RemixPL1994]

I have moved the mods folder out of the GTA Folder, the biggest problem is I cant find the standard OpenIV Download, I only have the update file. Where else can I get the OpenIV Download File?

 

https://mega.nz/#!IMEUzKgC!7uUOQLYMSTY5GHAvQPm5ev5F63dmKX-1BnQmm6VVYh8

[VoodooMods]

Are you serious with that "accidental CnD"? They LITERALLY just double downed on T2's moronic statement. f*cking read clause ii

 

 

 

 

 

 

You know what, we'll just wait and see because some of yall are in la la land or some sh*t.

 

 

*sigh*

Accidental, no... but it was certainly a mistake. As in, an ill-advised decision. How else would you explain that OpenIV is back up as we speak?

 

I read the statement all right. What I don't understand is why you think it's suddenly so important, when it's just that, a statement.

 

Look at what the EULA says:

 

 

 

You agree not to (...) reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, display, perform, prepare derivative works based on, or otherwise modify the Software, in whole or in part;

 

That's the EULA telling you "No modding". And it's binding, because you've agreed to it before you were able to launch the game.

 

Yet everyone's been modding as they pleased, right? And apart from the OpenIV misfire, Take Two only went again online hacks, right? That's what their first statement said, and the fact that ScripthookV, RAGE plugin hook and GTA5mods.com (which is 90% conversions), to name a few, haven't been targeted would confirm that statement, wouldn't it?

 

So why are you suddenly losing your sh*t over a "statement" that you haven't even agreed to? What makes you think that there is a bigger picture here, and that this isn't just a pretty standard statement that basically acknowledges your right to mod the game? Because yes, I can do some research if you want, but I'm willing to bet that this statement is pretty similar to that of other developers who actively support mods (Bohemia Interactive/ARMA comes to mind).

 

That kind of statement NEEDS to have a broad range to make sure someone doesn't find a loophole if they really need something taken down. But you can take off your tin foil hat, because it definitely does NOT mean that they WILL take down anything they want for sh*ts and giggles. We just need to steer clear of what clearly irks them (online stuff and map conversions) and this is the last we'll hear about it.

[cornelius85]

I think this is the beginning of Rockstar splitting up with Take-2.

I wish it was possble but its not. Rockstar is a huge cash cow t2 wont give it up.

[DOUGL4S1]

I think this is the beginning of Rockstar splitting up with Take-2.

Rockstar is T2's most profitable company, they would gladly get rid of Mafia or Kerbal Space Program to keep GTA.

 

Oh, and some music for this moment:

Edited June 23, 2017 by DOUGL4S1

[GTADriver64]

 

I have moved the mods folder out of the GTA Folder, the biggest problem is I cant find the standard OpenIV Download, I only have the update file. Where else can I get the OpenIV Download File?

 

https://mega.nz/#!IMEUzKgC!7uUOQLYMSTY5GHAvQPm5ev5F63dmKX-1BnQmm6VVYh

 

Thank you, finally I can drive my Giulia Quadrifoglio...

[Aiden Jackson]

Have to be patient, to see if take two reverses with the prohibition

[GTADriver64]

 

I think this is the beginning of Rockstar splitting up with Take-2.

I wish it was possble but its not. Rockstar is a huge cash cow t2 wont give it up.

 

Well, I am now since a few months in the stock market and about that. This is the first crisis between Rockstar North/Games and its parent company Take Two, this is just like a marriage. You have some little fight but when the man doesnt give a toss about your problems and still does his own things. She files the divorce.

 

And actually, this is the first little fight between the Houser Brothers and Zelnick.

Edited June 23, 2017 by GTADriver64

[cornelius85]

 

 

I think this is the beginning of Rockstar splitting up with Take-2.

I wish it was possble but its not. Rockstar is a huge cash cow t2 wont give it up.

 

Well, I am now since a few months in the stock market and about that. This is the first crisis between Rockstar North/Games and its parent company Take Two, this is just like a marriage. You have some little fight but when the man doesnt give a toss about your problems and still does his own things. She files the divorce.

 

And actually, this is the first little fight between the Houser Brothers and Zelnick.

 

Yeah but I do not know the details of their ownership percentages. If for example T2 owns 75% of R* they can easily show the middle finger to Houser brothers.

[gandalfthestupid]

I'm confused is OpenIV back or is it not yet? If it is what's it's status and what are the conditions of OpenIV?

[killso]

I LOVE YOU ROCKSTAR GAMES

WE WON !