Take Two vs. Modding

[ikt]

 

Why not just cobbling together your own port of SHV meanwhile?

Oh I don't know...how about...closed source?

 

There's a running theme here...closed source projects are effectively shutdown when the developer can no longer support them...almost makes me wish there was another...more open way to do software development...

 

There's an open sourced project floating about somewhere out there.

 

Hint: It's been on GitHub for ages.

Hint: There's Open, V, and Hook in its name.

Hint: It works after a bit of tinkering.

[MeatSafeMurderer]

 

 

Why not just cobbling together your own port of SHV meanwhile?

Oh I don't know...how about...closed source?

 

There's a running theme here...closed source projects are effectively shutdown when the developer can no longer support them...almost makes me wish there was another...more open way to do software development...

 

There's an open sourced project floating about somewhere out there.

 

Hint: It's been on GitHub for ages.

Hint: There's Open, V, and Hook in its name.

Hint: It works after a bit of tinkering.

 

I'm well aware of OpenVHook...that doesn't change the fact that both ScripthookV and OpenIV would still be with us if they had chosen open source. In fact it's highly likely that a cease and desist wouldn't have been filed in the first place. I'm not blaming Blade and the OpenIV team, that lies squarely with R* and T2...but you cannot deny that this is true.

[ATP2555]

This is just as bad as the time they sent those private eyes to the FiveM developer's house.

[sgtsev3n]

its funny how Turd 2 & Cockstar fanboys defending it, while there are still hackers online AFTER Turd 2 decided to shut down OpenIV.

 

This is how fanboys should be treated:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=951361393

[Gravarty]

Yeah i also wrote a comment on a german tech site but they just don't want to understand it. You can't join GTA: Online with modified files.

 

Damn this is really frustrating

Edited June 20, 2017 by Gravarty

[SaveOpenIV]

 

 

 

Why not just cobbling together your own port of SHV meanwhile?

Oh I don't know...how about...closed source?

 

There's a running theme here...closed source projects are effectively shutdown when the developer can no longer support them...almost makes me wish there was another...more open way to do software development...

 

There's an open sourced project floating about somewhere out there.

 

Hint: It's been on GitHub for ages.

Hint: There's Open, V, and Hook in its name.

Hint: It works after a bit of tinkering.

 

I'm well aware of OpenVHook...that doesn't change the fact that both ScripthookV and OpenIV would still be with us if they had chosen open source. In fact it's highly likely that a cease and desist wouldn't have been filed in the first place. I'm not blaming Blade and the OpenIV team, that lies squarely with R* and T2...but you cannot deny that this is true.

 

I hate to tell you this, but OpenIV won't ever become Open-Sourced plainly put as there's mechanics to get the illegal RSA 'key' of the exe files which no one releases, and that's where OpenIV comes for the rescue. I remember when you had to find the key in the EXE yourself and that was a pain in the ass at the start.

Edited June 20, 2017 by SaveOpenIV

[MeatSafeMurderer]

 

 

 

 

Why not just cobbling together your own port of SHV meanwhile?

Oh I don't know...how about...closed source?

 

There's a running theme here...closed source projects are effectively shutdown when the developer can no longer support them...almost makes me wish there was another...more open way to do software development...

 

There's an open sourced project floating about somewhere out there.

 

Hint: It's been on GitHub for ages.

Hint: There's Open, V, and Hook in its name.

Hint: It works after a bit of tinkering.

 

I'm well aware of OpenVHook...that doesn't change the fact that both ScripthookV and OpenIV would still be with us if they had chosen open source. In fact it's highly likely that a cease and desist wouldn't have been filed in the first place. I'm not blaming Blade and the OpenIV team, that lies squarely with R* and T2...but you cannot deny that this is true.

 

I hate to tell you this, but OpenIV won't ever become Open-Sourced plainly put as there's mechanics to get the illegal RSA 'key' of the exe files which no one releases, and that's where OpenIV comes for the rescue. I remember when you had to find the key in the EXE yourself and that was a pain in the ass at the start.

 

It could have easily been seperated and not included in the public source...it also wasn't that much of a pain in the ass. I did it for the PS3 version back in the day. Unlike on PC you needed to decrypt the elf before you could even begin pulling the key...

 

For the record I also don't buy GooD-NTS's line about it being written in Delphi. So what? They know delphi...what's stopping anyone else? Is their source a confusing mess of purposefully obfuscated spaghetti code? You see reasons...I see excuses. If they don't want to make it open source...fair enough, it's ultimately doomed to die when they stop working on it (or they get CnD'd)...but they should come out and say that rather than making reasons why they can't.

Edited June 20, 2017 by MeatSafeMurderer

[HigorSM]

its funny how Turd 2 & Cockstar fanboys defending it, while there are still hackers online AFTER Turd 2 decided to shut down OpenIV.

 

This is how fanboys should be treated:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=951361393

Most of the people defending Rockstar/Take2 are trolls, or very ignorant persons, just ignore them.

Edited June 20, 2017 by HigorSm

[SaveOpenIV]

 

 

 

 

 

Why not just cobbling together your own port of SHV meanwhile?

Oh I don't know...how about...closed source?

 

There's a running theme here...closed source projects are effectively shutdown when the developer can no longer support them...almost makes me wish there was another...more open way to do software development...

 

There's an open sourced project floating about somewhere out there.

 

Hint: It's been on GitHub for ages.

Hint: There's Open, V, and Hook in its name.

Hint: It works after a bit of tinkering.

 

I'm well aware of OpenVHook...that doesn't change the fact that both ScripthookV and OpenIV would still be with us if they had chosen open source. In fact it's highly likely that a cease and desist wouldn't have been filed in the first place. I'm not blaming Blade and the OpenIV team, that lies squarely with R* and T2...but you cannot deny that this is true.

 

I hate to tell you this, but OpenIV won't ever become Open-Sourced plainly put as there's mechanics to get the illegal RSA 'key' of the exe files which no one releases, and that's where OpenIV comes for the rescue. I remember when you had to find the key in the EXE yourself and that was a pain in the ass at the start.

 

It could have easily been seperated and not included in the public source...it also wasn't that much of a pain in the ass. I did it for the PS3 version back in the day. Unlike on PC you needed to decrypt the elf before you could even begin pulling the key...

 

For the record I also don't buy GooD-NTS's line about it being written in Delphi. So what? They know delphi...what's stopping anyone else? Is their source a confusing mess of purposefully obfuscated spaghetti code? You see reasons...I see excuses. If they don't want to make it open source...fair enough, it's ultimately doomed to die when they stop working on it (or they get CnD'd)...but they should come out and say that rather than making reasons why they can't.

 

Off-Topic: Okay, You got me there, it's slightly easier on the exe due to no encryption, so I can definitely agree with you on that. However, you're right, on consoles the key was encrypted on the .elf and on the .default.

On-Topic: Yeah, they could remove it, alongside a lot of other documentation, commented notes, exedra, but I don't believe they will. What's already been done, is done. We might as well, start.

Another thing to, I don't believe there's Delphi decompilers anywhere, let alone the program being obfuscated if anything to protect it.

 

 

its funny how Turd 2 & Cockstar fanboys defending it, while there are still hackers online AFTER Turd 2 decided to shut down OpenIV.

 

This is how fanboys should be treated:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=951361393

Most of the people defending Rockstar/Take2 are trolls, or very ignorant persons, just ignore them.

 

Exactly. Otherwise, they're just doing it to make the community comment more so then they can fire back with a 'crymore comment'. People are very arrogant..

Edited June 20, 2017 by SaveOpenIV

[Big_Smiley]

 

its funny how Turd 2 & Cockstar fanboys defending it, while there are still hackers online AFTER Turd 2 decided to shut down OpenIV.

 

This is how fanboys should be treated:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=951361393

Most of the people defending Rockstar/Take2 are trolls, or very ignorant persons, just ignore them. Yep. I don't see any reasons to defend these morons and their f*cked up decision to shut down openIV. Damn trolls indeed.

[SaveOpenIV]

 

 

its funny how Turd 2 & Cockstar fanboys defending it, while there are still hackers online AFTER Turd 2 decided to shut down OpenIV.

 

This is how fanboys should be treated:

http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=951361393

Most of the people defending Rockstar/Take2 are trolls, or very ignorant persons, just ignore them.

Yep. I don't see any reasons to defend these morons and their f*cked up decision to shut down openIV. Damn trolls indeed.

 

On the sad side of everything happening this past week, most either just don't care or don't even know what's going on that's until someone tells them about it

[Te.name]

The negative reviews are slowing I think we need to convince console users this effects them and get their attention. Anyone have any ideas

Edited June 20, 2017 by Te.name

[SaveOpenIV]

AS of Last night

RECENT:

Overwhelmingly Negative (43,888 reviews)

OVERALL:

Mixed (233,801 reviews)

 

Now

RECENT:

Overwhelmingly Negative (45,490 reviews)

OVERALL:

Mixed (235,413 reviews)

Edited June 20, 2017 by SaveOpenIV

[iShoTz]

I made a crew named "F YOU TAKE TWO" and Rockstar decided to reset the name lol, saw it coming, but if you guys would like to wear the TTI logo with the X come join https://socialclub.rockstargames.com/crew/crew405853

[zabegan34]

Then just stop playing their sh*tty money milking cow "games", and pirate it.. Not so hard.. Beucase this I will support pirating games I knew this would happen.

Ban for using mods in singleplayer?

Oh rockstart you suckers

 

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by zabegan34

[Mid Night Club]

 

Edited June 20, 2017 by Mid Night Club

[wapster]

I have a feeling re-reading the last part of Rockstar's official statement that somehow Rockstar will come out of their hiding and say "Okay modding community, we will now provide you with a singleplayer modding tool from our own end that you may continue to use for your vehicle, texture replacement and other script mods as long as you promise not to use our Rage title maps and try to port them into our newer games and that in no way will this tool be re-engineered to be usable in GTAO".

 

Its the best thing R* can do right now but there's a good chance they won't even bother with it.

 

 

 

'We are working to figure out how we can continue to support the creative community without negatively impacting our players'. I think that Rockstar's management know how mods impact the sales of PC versions of GTA (they must have been appalled when T2 suits told them about this ban) so I believe with this outcry over OpenIV they may just say 'dammit it's been four years of healthy sales due to mods, let's make our own official mod tools and Steam Workshop for singleplayer so we don't get blamed for this'. Hopefully anyway.

[MeatSafeMurderer]

Second the idea to pin GooD-NTS's comment about SHV.

I'm getting tired of explaining to people that as long as there is a CnD in place SHV will not be updated.

Edited June 20, 2017 by MeatSafeMurderer

[Mid Night Club]

Idk if this is legit or has been posted before (to many pages to check) but I'll just throw it in here. Found on Twitter

 

somebody pls pin this comment

[JediCowboy]

update on PCGamer http://www.pcgamer.com/heres-rockstars-statement-about-take-two-shutting-down-gtas-openiv-modding-tool/

[Mid Night Club]

GTAFORUMS COULD BE NEXT, they probably have a bunch of chinese hackers waiting for the green signal, I seriously hope this website can resist some ddos strikes or similar stuff like that, Piss-Two being the knobs they are, they wouldn't probably try and get their own hands dirty by taking down amongst the biggest gaming forums of them all, probably wouldn't mind paying some chinese hackers a couple of dollars they made after the openiv embarrassment

sly f*cks

Edited June 20, 2017 by Mid Night Club

[SaveOpenIV]

 

For the love of SP modding, please pin this.

[choc4444]

we need the admin of the site to post a link on the main page so we can show take 3 interactive that we disagree with their choice and hopefully if we all vote they may review their policies ??

[SaveOpenIV]

we need the admin of the site to post a link on the main page so we can show take 3 interactive that we disagree with their choice and hopefully if we all vote they may review their policies ??

If disgracing reviews isn't doing very much, and they still are declining to comment, as of right now it just won't help our case. We need to make serious noise. Money is one of those noises as it hurts their company stocks. But, there's otherways, and piracy is NOT one of them. You already gave them your money.

[Mid Night Club]

 

Actually my sig suits a lot to the scenario.

Replace the German soldier ( the one with the DICE logo ) with Take-Two , and the British soldier on the ground getting his ass kicked ( the one with the activision logo ) with PC gamers.

:]

[4thebadwoofsky]

I just got fckd by an german fanboy.

 

I just commented an negative Review for GTA5,

translating:

"Pff, c*ntstar and F**k2 should feel how much of an impact we are. I will nomore buy a game from them, and the SharkCards are stupid. The only thing that brings their money are underaged stupid fanboys/kiddies.

 

 

Then he wrote:

*sarcasm on* Wow, how right you are, "all those underaged kiddies". *STALKS MY FA-Account to find out i am 17*. They just annoy everyone in the Lobby(at the End with MODS AND HACKS[1]. Buying SharkCards fromt he money of their Parents and now downvoting OTHER ROCKSTAR GAMES[2], and just rage at Developer and Publisher.

 

i am linking the 1 and 2 and also explaining:

[1] http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=946517671

You can see me killing in PvP and u can see i have 202mill. But i never hacked. I just got the money from the Loadingscreen ("Transaction") and i cant destroy the money. Now i got false-flagged as an Hacker

 

[2] http://steamcommunity.com/id/4thebadwoofsky/recommended/12120/Just a negative Review. xD

 

 

To anyone just read this entire post. Thank you <3. I just dont know how i should feel right now. ;-(

[khorio]

Just a heads up for people who are interested, Pursuit made an asi wrapper for RPH which converts them into RASI plugins that are loadable by RPH.

 

https://github.com/fr-Pursuit/AsiSupport/releases

[Mid Night Club]

Just a heads up for people who are interested, Pursuit made an asi wrapper for RPH which converts them into RASI plugins that are loadable by RPH.

 

https://github.com/fr-Pursuit/AsiSupport/releases

Will I be able to run any trainers?

[Kirsty]

GTAFORUMS COULD BE NEXT

 

[xan1242]

Instead of contemplating how we are going to hurt TakeTwo Interactive the most, just think about what would be the best way to spite this specific decision by them.

 

There is only one way - restart this project. Restart, rename and restructure to rebel against them. Open source the project and spread it around like a disease. Piracy, while illegal, shows one very good trait we ALL have as humans against a single entity and that is, well, our ability to share. Take it as an example in principle and execute it in the same way.

 

TakeTwo may sue two or three people, but they can't go after the entire community, no matter what they do. The code is already out there as soon as it's made public. Wether or not they want you to modify it is not something they can control. Same with any piece of software OR hardware, they can't dictate how you use it, even with this "cease and desist".

 

We should use the fact that we are a community and not a company. Use your identity against them and if enough people gather, they won't be able to stop us. Sure they might slow us down a bit with this but if the project is structured properly, then there is nothing they can do.

Edited June 20, 2017 by xan1242