Johnny Spaz Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) Ever since San Andreas the protagonist has had to play errand boy for the government (Machowski, Toreno, Tenpenny (sorta), ULP (they gave Darko but still)/Francis McReary, McCornish/Matthews (TLAD), Wade Heston (at least he shows genuine concern for Huang), Steve Haines/Dave Norton.) I feel like R* loses inspiration and they go the easy way by making you the law's puppet, anyone else SICK of this? Edited April 17, 2017 by Johnny Spaz Toreno6901 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
DOUGL4S1 Posted April 17, 2017 Share Posted April 17, 2017 (edited) That's their way of advancing the story faster: You work for someone powerful, they give you what you want, and a "criminal" from the government or with connections to the government is as powerful as you get. Sure, there are other ways of doing that, Ray Boccino helped Niko to find Florian Bernie when Niko tought it was him, but it would be unlikely that he'd manage to bring Darko all the way from Europe. I personally don't mind that too much, shows more of a white-collar bureaucratic crime scene than only gangs and mafias the entire game. Edited April 17, 2017 by DOUGL4S1 Payne Killer 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069522449 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GTAUrbanCamping Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 Im good with it. Its not like it doesnt happen in real life or anything... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069522885 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toreno6901 Posted April 18, 2017 Share Posted April 18, 2017 This wiseguys workin' for the gov. most become dirty screwed. Many like Tenpenny end up with a hole in one 9cap 9yarders. Some like Mike Toreno end up with the fat buck. Some weasels like the Forellis high enders stiff meat wagon retired. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069522945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LibertonianGirl Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I hated it in every GTA and the only one I kinda liked was the U.L paper contact At least he cut Niko loose after he did what he needed to do for them so that is why I kinda like the IAA better than the FIB, can't forget that the FIB kept feeding Michael their problems Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069525438 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toreno6901 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 I hated it in every GTA and the only one I kinda liked was the U.L paper contact At least he cut Niko loose after he did what he needed to do for them so that is why I kinda like the IAA better than the FIB, can't forget that the FIB kept feeding Michael their problems Niko must hav a leashed on cos he is a dangerous dealer. Michael is like Mike Toreno got to do what u hav got to do. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069525555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorVance1239 Posted April 19, 2017 Share Posted April 19, 2017 (edited) I thought Dave Norton(GTA V) and Mike Toreno (San Andreas) were pretty cool. Edited April 19, 2017 by VictorVince1239 Johnny Spaz 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069527042 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Spaz Posted April 20, 2017 Author Share Posted April 20, 2017 I hated it in every GTA and the only one I kinda liked was the U.L paper contact At least he cut Niko loose after he did what he needed to do for them so that is why I kinda like the IAA better than the FIB, can't forget that the FIB kept feeding Michael their problems Niko must hav a leashed on cos he is a dangerous dealer.Michael is like Mike Toreno got to do what u hav got to do. What are you even saying? Is English not your native language? OT: Toreno was cool & Norton was just Haines' puppet. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069527318 Share on other sites More sharing options...
VictorVance1239 Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 Well Norton helped out in the final big job if I remember right. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069527812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zello Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 (edited) Since III you mean Ray Machowski and Claude I don't have a problem as long as it's something like you help them out and then they help you out.In SA CJ may have been forced by Toreno but in the end he finally got Sweet out of prison for him. What I don't want is being forced to work for them like in V and getting nothing in return and having the entire story focus on them. Edited April 20, 2017 by Zello Johnny Spaz, Official General, Journey_95 and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069528917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
slimeball supreme Posted April 20, 2017 Share Posted April 20, 2017 i mean it's usually pretty necessary for both character and story reasons unless you want the story to end midway when a deal goes bad and nobody can vouch for you at the station Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069528989 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toreno6901 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 i mean it's usually pretty necessary for both character and story reasons unless you want the story to end midway when a deal goes bad and nobody can vouch for you at the station Well the writer for the GTA series had all sort of plot ideas concerning characters who work in government being involved in dirty biz. Cops undercover C.R.A.S.H. The Lost MC. Johnny Kleibitz must have pretended to be dead over ketchup. Undercover agents dying mysteriously Kleibitz? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069529575 Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnimalFather Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 NO! I always hated that you worked for the government or the police. It made the game feel fake and made you as the player feel less independent. I really hated that the corrupt cop theme came back in gta 5 it really was a lowpoint for me. It's as if Rockstar is too afraid to make a game about crime and has to add this parenting story tool of you working for the gov so its ok that ur a criminal. I HATED IT!!!! Please no more of this. I want to be an independent criminal! Johnny Spaz and Payne Killer 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069529615 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toreno6901 Posted April 21, 2017 Share Posted April 21, 2017 I NO! I always hated that you worked for the government or the police. It made the game feel fake and made you as the player feel less independent. I really hated that the corrupt cop theme came back in gta 5 it really was a lowpoint for me. It's as if Rockstar is too afraid to make a game about crime and has to add this parenting story tool of you working for the gov so its ok that ur a criminal. I HATED IT!!!! Please no more of this. I want to be an independent criminal! Indie crime is ur occupation , yet the Outlaws think otherwise! DYOM Cops bribes yeah? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069529959 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Spaz Posted April 21, 2017 Author Share Posted April 21, 2017 NO! I always hated that you worked for the government or the police. It made the game feel fake and made you as the player feel less independent. I really hated that the corrupt cop theme came back in gta 5 it really was a lowpoint for me. It's as if Rockstar is too afraid to make a game about crime and has to add this parenting story tool of you working for the gov so its ok that ur a criminal. I HATED IT!!!! Please no more of this. I want to be an independent criminal! This, well said. AnimalFather 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069530267 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toreno6901 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 Bryan Forbes & Dave Norton , also Steve Haines, Mike Toreno, Michael many GTA Characters were working for the gov. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069531078 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeSpeed1911 Posted April 22, 2017 Share Posted April 22, 2017 I only like it if the player feels in control and gets something out of it. Steve choking Michael in GTA5 pissed me off, If they did it to Niko or Tommy or Toni they would be beheaded on the spot. .Ryan., LincolnClay, Johnny Spaz and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069531735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
_Raven_ Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 How about we have a different theme for once? I don't mind government shenanigans as long as it's done right.....GTA V is the exception to this. IV did it right in that it's not the main focus of the story, it's something that happens about a quarter way into the story and isn't intrusive; and lasts for only a few missions. In V, it was the focal point of the entire game, and got old very quickly. If GTAN was completely absent of anything related to the government I would be happy. If it absolutely must be brought back...do it right. The Time Ranger 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069538723 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ClaudeSpeed1911 Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 I only like it if the player feels in control and gets something out of it. Steve choking Michael in GTA5 pissed me off, If they did it to Niko or Tommy or Toni they would be beheaded on the spot. Hahaha, now I imagine Steve choking Tommy Vercetti. Damn. That would have ended gory. But if you think about it, Tommy wouldn't have worked for the feds in the first place. True, their dicks would be cut then fed to them if they tried anything. LincolnClay 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069541568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LincolnClay Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 "Oh you know, we'll just get this psychopathic murderer/drug dealer to carry out the government's work. We can trust him, right? What could go wrong?" Oh, well you know...the fact that you let a criminal do your job for you. How do you know he's not gonna kill you later on? Sometimes I wonder how these guys have such high ranking jobs in the government in the first place... Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069542027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Journey_95 Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 (edited) It has been a part of GTA since GTA 3 and I overall like it as long as its balanced well. It provides variety and fits. But GTA V focused on it way too much, Madrazzo should have had a bigger role instead and most of the heists should have been done by the protagonists for themselves and not because they are Haines bitches. It just felt like an excuse for over the top missions and at the end you gained nothing from it (unlike SA and IV). Edited July 21, 2017 by Journey_95 Zello, Payne Killer and .Ryan. 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069733777 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ryan. Posted July 21, 2017 Share Posted July 21, 2017 It has been a part of GTA since GTA 3 and I overall like it as long as its balanced well. It provides variety and fits. But GTA V focused on it way too much, Madrazzo should have had a bigger role instead and most of the heists should have been done by the protagonists for themselves and not because they are Haines bitches. It just felt like an excuse for over the top missions and at the end you gained nothing from it (unlike SA and IV). When working for them yields something in return like the UL Paper contact tracking down Darko or Marshall Johnson in RDR agreeing to help John go after Williamson it adds credibility of their involvement, but in GTA V it just felt like nothing we done for the FIB was of any benefit to us and like you said it just felt like an excuse for over the top missions. In saying that I wouldn't mind having a break from it. Every GTA since GTA III has had some kind of crooked cop/government figure. It does indeed get tiring after a while. Payne Killer, Zello and Johnny Spaz 3 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/885622-working-for-the-copsgovernment/#findComment-1069733842 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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