PSA: Cheat Awareness, Discussion, Notices & News

[SilverRST]

Two days ago another hacker was injecting money into my wallet:

 

I've double checked that it wasn't me.

Do you have spawn-protection?

[Black-Dragon96]

So I was in a public lobby for 10 minutes the other day before I went into an invite only one like I normally do.

 

A guy raised my cash from 1.2m to around 4m, should I be worried about getting banned?

 

I spent the cash down to my original 1.2m that I had.

Well its possible that you get banned because you spend it. You should send a ticket to Rockstar Support.

[lost-in-emotions]

I spent the cash down to my original 1.2m that I had.

 

tell us please, how it will be going on. SERIOUS.

[Black-Dragon96]

Anyone in here knows how often they clean accounts from modded money?

The support told me that they do it on a regular basis but they cant tell me "hiw regular".

 

@ Lost:

You checked your Account yet if thy finally removed your modded money? Cant check myself right now if they cleared accounts with the recent tuneable update.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[SilverRST]

 

So I was in a public lobby for 10 minutes the other day before I went into an invite only one like I normally do.

 

A guy raised my cash from 1.2m to around 4m, should I be worried about getting banned?

 

I spent the cash down to my original 1.2m that I had.

Well its possible that you get banned because you spend it. You should send a ticket to Rockstar Support.

 

I'm not sure... My friend got 300k or 3mil dropped on him last year in October to December and he still not banned.

And last week a modder gave him 30-40mil and still not banned.

Anyone in here knows how often they clean accounts from modded money?

The mod menu flexcreator is using actually got one very handy and nice feature: clear out wallet/bank money.

Unfortunately it got patched.

[Black-Dragon96]

 

 

So I was in a public lobby for 10 minutes the other day before I went into an invite only one like I normally do.

 

A guy raised my cash from 1.2m to around 4m, should I be worried about getting banned?

 

I spent the cash down to my original 1.2m that I had.

Well its possible that you get banned because you spend it. You should send a ticket to Rockstar Support.

 

I'm not sure... My friend got 300k or 3mil dropped on him last year in October to December and he still not banned.

And last week a modder gave him 30-40mil and still not banned.

Thats why i said: "Its possible", but it is also possible that nothing happens.

It probably depends on the way he got it. I for example got 5-10 Million from a improptu race around christmas 2015. I wrote a support ticket and they told me that it is "legit" since i won it from that race. I spended all this money and i have not been banned till this day. But all this happened before the new "ban laws" so i dont know how the system handles stuff like this now.

[SilverRST]

 

 

 

So I was in a public lobby for 10 minutes the other day before I went into an invite only one like I normally do.

 

A guy raised my cash from 1.2m to around 4m, should I be worried about getting banned?

 

I spent the cash down to my original 1.2m that I had.

Well its possible that you get banned because you spend it. You should send a ticket to Rockstar Support.

 

I'm not sure... My friend got 300k or 3mil dropped on him last year in October to December and he still not banned.

And last week a modder gave him 30-40mil and still not banned.

Thats why i said: "Its possible", but it is also possible that nothing happens.

It probably depends on the way he got it. I for example got 5-10 Million from a improptu race around christmas 2015. I wrote a support ticket and they told me that it is "legit" since i won it from that race. I spended all this money and i have not been banned till this day. But all this happened before the new "ban laws" so i dont know how the system handles stuff like this now.

 

You should not worry about that since it's not your fault to receive money against your will.

It's up to R* to fix that sh*t and if R* still bans you and my friend, they're not doing any good favor for themself.

[Black-Dragon96]

 

 

 

 

So I was in a public lobby for 10 minutes the other day before I went into an invite only one like I normally do.

 

A guy raised my cash from 1.2m to around 4m, should I be worried about getting banned?

 

I spent the cash down to my original 1.2m that I had.

Well its possible that you get banned because you spend it. You should send a ticket to Rockstar Support.

 

I'm not sure... My friend got 300k or 3mil dropped on him last year in October to December and he still not banned.

And last week a modder gave him 30-40mil and still not banned.

Thats why i said: "Its possible", but it is also possible that nothing happens.

It probably depends on the way he got it. I for example got 5-10 Million from a improptu race around christmas 2015. I wrote a support ticket and they told me that it is "legit" since i won it from that race. I spended all this money and i have not been banned till this day. But all this happened before the new "ban laws" so i dont know how the system handles stuff like this now.

 

You should not worry about that since it's not your fault to receive money against your will.

It's up to R* to fix that sh*t and if R* still bans you and my friend, they're not doing any good favor for themself.

Well you dont get banned fir receiving it, you only get banned when you spend it.

[Faggio S]

We were able to claim 10 mil bounties in the last year. I've claimed two sometime in Jan 2016. It might be this reason why bounties are disabled on PC right now, to reduce cash flow from this.

[update_lsc]

We were able to claim 10 mil bounties in the last year. I've claimed two sometime in Jan 2016. It might be this reason why bounties are disabled on PC right now, to reduce cash flow from this.

I don't think so. The bounties are limited to 10k, everything above that doesn't give you anything. There was another trainer around that time which was able to give billion bounties, but those were fake. Just like they were recently. As far as i know, rockstar limited bounties to 10k after they were first exploited on old gen.

[Faggio S]

I don't think so. The bounties are limited to 10k, everything above that doesn't give you anything. There was another trainer around that time which was able to give billion bounties, but those were fake. Just like they were recently. As far as i know, rockstar limited bounties to 10k after they were first exploited on old gen.

I still got the money. I also got 15 mil each from 2 impromptu races, for a total of ~50 mil modded money, by the time Jan 2016 was over. It wasn't added to my bank directly though, the money showed up as cash in hand. I banked it myself.

 

BTW, not yet banned. Got a generic response from Support that money will be removed, and money is not removed yet.

[Black-Dragon96]

Ok i just got a response from Rockstar Support on my modded money issue.

They told me that i can play on normaly and spend all my legit money. Everything is fine as long as I keep my Bankbalance above the amount of modded money that i got.

In my case I had 3,4 Million $ and the modded money raised my bank to 7,6 Million $ so if I keep my Bankbalance above 5 Million (I included a little buffer here for the worst case scenario) everything is fine.

Its also totally save to bank the modded cash and you actually should do this so Rockstars Anticheat can remove it.

 

I also asked them if they can manualy check my account if it gets detected as illegal money, since it came into my account on a legit way through the (in this case glitched/modded) bodyguard payment feature and because of that they anticheat maybe can not detect it.

[lost-in-emotions]

i wish i got this detailed statement in the past...

 

and spend all my legit money. Everything is fine as long as I keep my Bankbalance above the amount of modded money that i got.

 

anyways its impossible to play while the servers are under cheater control.

i dont want to risk more attacks, like the one i actually have.

 

^ what they say to the money check? or do you waiting for it?

Edited May 2, 2017 by lost-in-emotions

[TovarishTony]

Had to stay away from GTA Online after I qualified on the tax rebate.

[flexcreator]

 

 

Do you have spawn-protection?

 

 

I had some protection, but don't remember what exactly was enabled.

 

I's should to mentioned that this money injection is NOT spawn based. The hacker is NOT spawning moneybags or any objects.

[GrizzJack]

Ok i just got a response from Rockstar Support on my modded money issue.

They told me that i can play on normaly and spend all my legit money. Everything is fine as long as I keep my Bankbalance above the amount of modded money that i got.

Gawd, that sounds like a tumor stuck in the body, why can't they just remove it. My advice is that you should create another ticket but in under different topic/issue to get in touch with other R* service guys, am sure they'll remove it.

Edited May 2, 2017 by GrizzJack

[lost-in-emotions]

Gawd, that sounds like a tumor stuck in the body, why can't they just remove it. My advice is that you should create another ticket but in under different topic/issue to get in touch with other R* service guys, am sure they'll remove it.

 

no, they wont.

i done this already in 6 different tickets (in german and even complete english - to force for an other tier) and a telephone call.

no chance. - they cant do it anymore. that is what they said (one quote of all):

 

Leider haben wir keine Informationen wann die GTA$ entfernt werden und können dies auch leider nichtmehr manuell tun. Wir entschuldigen uns vielmals für die Unannehmlichkeiten.

Edited May 2, 2017 by lost-in-emotions

[Geisterfaust]

Possible vs probable. It's possibly, you may got banned. It's highly improbable though. Look at Flexcreator experiment, he's still running fine. My mates have purchased over $100m in fake cash over well-known forum and still playing with me, bothered by the fact that they've spent their money on something people are getting free. Of course I can understand that people want to play legit, but that ship has sailed and you need to be blind to deny it. May as well have some fun, get Ruiner 2k and that vehicles.

[Black-Dragon96]

i wish i got this detailed statement in the past...

 

and spend all my legit money. Everything is fine as long as I keep my Bankbalance above the amount of modded money that i got.

anyways its impossible to play while the servers are under cheater control.

i dont want to risk more attacks, like the one i actually have.

 

^ what they say to the money check? or do you waiting for it?

Well invite only is 100% save if you know the people in there. Solo public is also pretty save since you can "controll" who joins and modders like high populated lobbys.

I will carry on playing in solo public and if i get stuck again i will simply shut the game down instead of joining a new session and rejoin the sessions afterwards by joining my buddy. Thats basicly all i can do right now.

 

Im waiting on the response for the manual check. I expect it in the next 22 hours since i usually get only 1 response per 24 hours. It feels like the support is under pressure right now .

 

Edit @Heisenberg: Well its not about being legit.

I personally do not care if my money is legit or not but i do not want to loose my character.

Under the old ban rules, I would have said f*ck it and spended the money asap. If i would have been banned then, well bad luck, find something else to play for 30 days and move on afterwards.

But under the new bansystem they added the character reset for temp bans so I dont want to risk my level 322 char for around 4 million.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[lost-in-emotions]

i usually play only in friend lobby, but the game kicks u sometimes in public lobby.

and so i got attacked 3 weeks ago. and i dont want to have it again.

[Geisterfaust]

Dragon, you can copy rank to second character. I'm advising you to do it and keep the character as non-playable backup.

[Black-Dragon96]

Dragon, you can copy rank to second character. I'm advising you to do it and keep the character as non-playable backup.

But i cant keep my huge Carcollection this way, so there is no point in doing this. Edited May 2, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[mrfonzius]

Just some sort of idea, but I guess that won't help: What if you create a 2nd char ( in case you have the free slot), put the amount of modded money you got into its pocket and delete the char? Or is it not possible to delete if you have money in your pockets?

Edited May 3, 2017 by mrgstrings

[flexcreator]

I don't think it's possible to delete characters

[Phervor Trill Lips]

The mod menu flexcreator is using actually got one very handy and nice feature: clear out wallet/bank money.

 

Unfortunately it got patched.

"Unfortunately"? You do realize that feature was being used to drain people's bank accounts without their permission, don't you? It's only "handy and nice" if you want to ruin people's progress, cause them headaches and have them spend time dealing with support when they could be playing the game.

 

 

Just want to bring it up because if they have the capability of infecting computers than im done woth this. Can they?

 

No, they can't.

I'd like for the "HACKERS CAN INFECT YOUR COMPUTER THROUGH GTA ONLINE" rumor to be put to rest for good.

 

If it really were possible, why haven't security websites and gaming websites made any sort of mention of it? There was that time that Capcom included an update for Street Fighter V that could access kernel levels in your PC. It got TONS of coverage from many different and reputable sources, The utter sh*tshow of a Steam forum thread warning players to stay out of GTA Online because "hackers can connect to your PC and inject any files they wish to infect your system" that has been posted before in this very forum? Not vetted from any source that is reputable. Not even mentioned anywhere else, really.

 

But to make sure that any doubts are truly dead and gone, I'll go ahead and post some comments from that Steam thread by people who know what they're talking about. By the way: none of these comments include ones made by the thread OP (except one, to provide context). OP seriously made about half of the total comments in the entire thread and for the sake of your own sanity I'd advise skipping through them.

 

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Bruc [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 16 @ 10:35am

Can i be honest with you?

 

You got hacked because you downloaded some♥♥♥♥♥♥mod with virus in it. The people making mods put keyloggers in half of the mods people download.

 

Now what are the chances of being hack downloading a mod compared of the chances of being hacked IN-GAME in a public lobby?

 

1 - The first option is almost 100% chance.

2 - The second option....., let me be clear, i never seen any case since april 2015 the release of the game.

 

Sorry, i believe you got hacked, what i don't believe is how you got hacked.

 

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Toastie Buns [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 16 @ 11:17am

You can't initiate a file transfer through games that don't support file transfers. This is why say; Insurgency uses Steam Workshop, you aren't directly downloading files from the host.

 

You acquire them from the workshop, check them against the host for compatibility, then join the game. The days of direct transfer of files from the host are loooooooooong gone. I have a ♥♥♥♥tonne of old games that do this (looking at you, OTTD) as well as clearly displaying joining IPs, but alas...I've never been hacked. These games have the exact same information (and actually more ability to hack since you CAN use an FTP) that you've stated in the OP.

 

Just saying.

 

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Dura [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 16 @ 11:18am

 

 

Originally posted by *DKG*™ x0Z3ro0x:

 

"Really is that a fact? So let me get this straight, once a game is installed there is NOTHING being sent back and forth between users? That the files and data once installed remain the same and never are sent again.This is what you are saying correct?"

 

 

To sum it up:

Yes. It is impossible to install anything through this kind of p2p connection.

 

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Dura [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 16 @ 11:34am

Listen. It is impossible. That's not how it works. You do not have a DIRECT connection between 2 "clients" there is still a server between them. Only preexisting data can be sent between 2 clints. Adding any different kind of data would resort to either some kind of failure OR an instant ban. NO MODDER. CAN. DO. IT. WITHOUT. RISKING. A. BAN.

 

That is exactly how the modmenu works. Because you can play around with already preexisting data. ADDING NEW DATA will not work.

 

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King Flippy Nipps [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 16 @ 11:35am

Wouldn't there already be a million threads by now if this was actaully happening?

 

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D'oh Nut [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 16 @ 3:33pm

This is the funny thing. You started this thread claiming that some hacker (cheater) managed to download malware onto your computer while you were in a public session which somehow meant that they could intercept your passwords and hack your account, i.e., change your password, email and language settings.

 

No-one of sound mind in this thread believes that that is remotely possible. You probably picked up a virus visiting some dodgy web site but want to divert attention away from that to make you look innocent.

 

I don't doubt that GTA online has a lot of problems at the moment with cheaters being able to remove money from your online bank and boost your rank, but I call BS on your PC getting infected by you joining a public lobby.

 

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Saxojam Apr 18 @ 5:49am

FINAL ANSWER:

 

It's not possible, and it didn't happen. Hackers would have to exploit the actual Rockstar software, or, steam itself. Which, might I add, wouldn't get them anywhere. The Rockstar software doesn't permit itself access to controlling your computer, so hackers are not just able to magically conjure up this ability out of thin air, and access your computer.

 

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❤ Careful 愛 Now ❤ [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 19 @ 5:17am

Sorry but I've been a programmer for years and I simply cannot believe you when you claim that hackers can inject any files to your computer. It's technically impossible - do you have any proof? Also, I don't think you understand how difficult it is to write anti cheat. Maybe if you do come up with a revolutionary anti-cheat algorithm, go and apply for a job at Rockstar: http://www.rockstargames.com/careers/openings. I'm sure they'd appreciate your input, as currently they're clearly "letting hackers in" (I mean wtf are you on about).

 

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Hunter [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 19 @ 5:28am

If this were a thing, even a small thing, due to the severitty... Gaming news sites and likely real news sites would be legitimately all over this♥♥♥♥♥♥ Primarily because with a keylogger and backdoor they could get a lot of other♥♥♥♥♥♥than just your SC account.

 

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Dura [has Grand Theft Auto V] Apr 19 @ 9:41am

It is still impossible to send it through the game without hacking the game servers. It is even then almost impossible to pinpoint where to send the virus. And even then you will not get anything in 99.99% of the cases because antiviruses. Everything below 0% is an impossible case. The OP posts random screenshots that prove nothing. He has no proof it happened directly online. Only that it may have happened. He could have gotten the virus on some kind of shady page he visited.

 

If this was a thing, then we would have had at least SOME cases and it would go all viral and it would be on any cheater-related page. Which it isn't. So we can all be sure that this is his delusion and that we can move on.

 

 

Those were the few reasonable replies floating above a giant sea of bullsh*t that was the entire thread. I hope my suffering from having to wade through it again isn't wasted and your fears of your PC being "compromised" through playing the game are dead now.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Phervor Trill Lips

[Black-Dragon96]

Just some sort of idea, but I guess that won't do anything: What if you create a 2nd char ( in case you have the free slot), put the amount of modded money you got into its pocket and delete the char? Or is it not possible to delete if you have money in your pockets?

Well yeah but i this case the software would probably think you have spended it and maybe ban you because of that.

Edited May 2, 2017 by Black-Dragon96

[SoDank_ItPainsMe]

Just to add some practical experience with the money injection, I have given several friends varying from hundreds of millions to a billion each and nobody has gotten banned after a couple weeks spending money like it's water.

 

The whole concept of having to tell on yourself/not bank it/not spend it to avoid a ban has in my opinion always been a fallacy. I know many many people who have used cheated money that they did not spawn themselves (a lot of it spawned by me) since day1 and never got any kind of come-uppance.

 

Use the simple logic that if Rockstar banned people for receiving cheated money, then that would enable griefers to get people banned automatically just by spawning cash on them, this will never happen.

Edited May 3, 2017 by SoDank_ItPainsMe

[flexcreator]

if Rockstar banned people for receiving cheated money...

 

R* are banning people not for recieving the money, but for the suspicious activity and transactions. The problem is that their "suspicions" are pretty vague.

 

It's impossible to say if the money are cheated or not.

Likewise It's impossible to say if you get banned or not.

 

But don't just say like there is no risk. Because forums are filled with crybabies that were banned for "no reason"

 

 

so back to the ip address thing for a minute. Can Rockstar "force" an update to Rockstar social club launcher forcing a block to the IP. Does the IP address matter? For example, if you fail to connect to the modder's website will the mod menu fail to work?

 

Yes. The IP address does matter. If I block this address via the firewall, the game crashes as soon as I try to access the mod menu:

 

 

Can R* do anything? I don't know. I'll give them this idea anyway.

 

But if I was asked - is it possible to release an effective anti-cheat hotfix for GTA V like... right now, I would not focus on IP, I would do something like this instead:

 

 

if (FileExists("dinput8.dll") || ( ! DigitalSignatureIsValid(Locate("dinput8.dll")) ))

{

ShowMessage("Sorry. You can't go online with an altered version of the game")

}

 

.. with slight variations

 

It takes just a few hours to implement and hey - I don't even know how the game works.. It doesn't solve the problem with the in-game vulnerabilities, but it renders the mod menu launcher useless, so cheaters have to waste time to develop a new one.

 

But who am I, right ? R* certainly knows how to release hotfixes. Like using a negative RP.

 

I'm starting to think it's just impossible to release binary hotfixes for them. Maybe the development and testing processes are not flexible enough for R* - that's why they rely on backgrounds scripts so much.

 

 

 

Guys, I just noticed the following lines in the cheat log

 

// GTA V FRC LOADER (build May 2 2015)

// © GTA FORCE ELITE 2015

So, today is May 3, 2017

The loader is two f***** years old.

FFS, Rockstar!

[flexcreator]

Anyone in here knows how often they clean accounts from modded money?

 

The mod menu flexcreator is using actually got one very handy and nice feature: clear out wallet/bank money.

Unfortunately it got patched.

 

 

It's not patched:

 

 

Also, I'm still not banned.

The hax is working.

Nothing changed.

 

"Unfortunately"? You do realize that feature was being used to drain people's bank accounts without their permission, don't you? It's only "handy and nice" if you want to ruin people's progress, cause them headaches and have them spend time dealing with support when they could be playing the game.

 

 

These options have different implementations.

 

The clear wallet feature clears only your own wallet, it doesn't affect other players. To drain money of another player you have to rely on the hospital bill - and this one seems to be patched.

Edited May 3, 2017 by flexcreator

[mrfonzius]

I don't think it's possible to delete characters

 

In the character selection screen there is an option to delete, I think you have to press DEL for that

 

 

 

 

Just some sort of idea, but I guess that won't do anything: What if you create a 2nd char ( in case you have the free slot), put the amount of modded money you got into its pocket and delete the char? Or is it not possible to delete if you have money in your pockets?

Well yeah but i this case the software would probably think you have spended it and maybe ban you because of that.

 

 

Oh ok, was also my guess that something like this may happen - just had this "idea" out of the blue