Why grief?

[Furry_Monkey]

 

its the most fun you can have playing gta with your pants on!

 

ruining people is 50% of freemode, its what makes the game fun, imagine if the whole game was just driving back and forth delivering crates and cars and drugs.. thats boring!

 

griefers add the chase, the anxiety.. knowing things can go wrong is what makes things fun, they dont doit for money they doit for the fun of it, theres nthing more tense than being chased down by a crazed lunatic while youre trying to make a big delivery, and nothing more satisfying than destroying someones cargo

 

griefers cant exist without normal players and they know and respect that, but normal players have to understand that their playstyles cant exist without griefers either

I guess greifers don't know how to spell either, eh?

 

 

MASSIVE LOL!!!

 

Love it. Thank you for your sacrifice.

[SHADOW OPS]

If a person messages me something insulting I don't view it as griefing. Just ran FL. Blew up a random. He said come get me noob. Killed him 3 more times with the Ruiner. Than many times on foot. End of story it was 29 to 2. Then I checked. Rank 39. He bit off more than he could chew.

 

 

Part of it is smarts. I wouldn't message a crew of rank 800's in jets and insult their mothers. I don't want to have to rpg my feet every 2 seconds.

Edited April 29, 2017 by ragedandcaged

[.Vooodu.]

If a person messages me something insulting I don't view it as griefing. Just ran FL. Blew up a random. He said come get me noob. Killed him 3 more times with the Ruiner. Than many times on foot. End of story it was 29 to 2. Then I checked. Rank 39. He bit off more than he could chew.

 

 

 

Part of it is smarts. I wouldn't message a crew of rank 800's in jets and insult their mothers. I don't want to have to rpg my feet every 2 seconds.

 

 

Its not griefing if they want to actually fight.. But you're being sort of a pussy for blowing up a lvl 39 with a FL ruiner. Sort of like kicking babies in a day care center.

 

 

But the smart comment followed by "I don't want to have to RPG my feet every 2 seconds" When jets attack is pretty funny. Talk about a total reversal.

 

Part of it is smarts? What?

Edited April 29, 2017 by .Vooodu.

[SHADOW OPS]

 

Against jets I kill myself all the time.

 

Judge away.

With you on this one.

Which is why I love being able to purchase explosive rounds on the fly.

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

Against jets I kill myself all the time.

 

Judge away.

With you on this one.

Which is why I love being able to purchase explosive rounds on the fly.

 

 

 

Yes.. makes it so much easier to kill yourself.

 

You're MR Bad ass with a Ruiner against a lvl 30. But turn into Mr, street pizza against someone in a jet?

 

Jet Troll "Im gonna kill you"

 

You "No I can do it myself"

 

Jet troll "But But But"

 

You " I said GOOD DAY!"

 

Jet troll "Ok?"

 

 

Not sure what you hope to gain by doing any of that... Guess you need things to do while waiting to grab a FL ruiner?

[Blasterman4EVER]

How is stealing kills from people by killing yourself not griefing?

 

It has made PvP in free mode completely broken! Kills don't mean anything in free mode because of this. It has reduced free mode to the lowest common denominator, where cowards stroke their KD/R poles and legit players are better off playing jobs.

 

I really think that suiciders are below modders and glitchers. They are the ultimate GTAO scum. It has taken time for them to dethrone jet griefers as the most worthless people playing this game, but they have.

 

I have more of a problem with these degenerates than I do with level 8000 phonies and passive mode jet griefers, or - dare I say - money glitchers!

Edited April 29, 2017 by Blasterman4EVER

[SHADOW OPS]

You are definitely in the minority on that. Jet pros can make you hide and unable to do anything.

 

A suicide spanmer you can just drive away from and carry on about your day.

[Jenkiiii]

How is stealing kills from people by killing yourself not griefing?

 

It has made PvP in free mode completely broken! Kills don't mean anything in free mode because of this. It has reduced free mode to the lowest common denominator, where cowards stroke their KD/R poles and legit players are better off playing jobs.

 

I really think that suiciders are below modders and glitchers. They are the ultimate GTAO scum. It has taken time for them to dethrone jet griefers as the most worthless people playing this game, but they have.

 

I have more of a problem with these degenerates than I do with level 8000 phonies and passive mode jet griefers, or - dare I say - money glitchers!

 

Everything you said in your post, Blasterman4EVER, was relatively valid until you added that last phrase about money glitchers.

 

It demonstrates that you are not able to differentiate between someone who griefs constantly and without any obvious in-game objectives, and other people who use glitches to bypass things like paying for GTA online cash through credit cards.

 

Instead of making a valid argument, you rubbished it with that final statement.

 

It seems you have an issue with anyone who does not follow your rules of gentlemanly conduct, and you cannot differentiate between people who continuously grief just for the enjoyment of behaving like an asshole and dominating other people, and other people who just mind their own business and fiddle around with gaming mechanics for their possible financial advantage - the glitchers.

 

Constant griefers do not break any rules, but are generally considered to be the scum of GTA online.

Glitchers on the other hand, do break in-game rules, but are generally considered to be good guys.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Jenkiiii

[SHADOW OPS]

Don't forget those who dupe so they can afford to freemode as much as they like.

[Jenkiiii]

Don't forget those who dupe so they can afford to freemode as much as they like.

 

And don't forget to quote people properly instead of posting snappy one-liners that make no immediate sense to the casual reader.

 

I'm not spending half-an-hour trying to battle your intellect, other than to say that people earn or dupe money for whatever reason they need money, whether it's to build car collections, wage war in freemode or do other things, like create race tracks without worrying about how they are going to afford everything in GTA online.

 

Money glitchers are becoming a thing of the past anyway, and they are still technically breaking the rules, but labelling glitchers in the same way as griefers demonstrates an overall lack of online gaming knowledge.

[Blasterman4EVER]

 

How is stealing kills from people by killing yourself not griefing?

 

It has made PvP in free mode completely broken! Kills don't mean anything in free mode because of this. It has reduced free mode to the lowest common denominator, where cowards stroke their KD/R poles and legit players are better off playing jobs.

 

I really think that suiciders are below modders and glitchers. They are the ultimate GTAO scum. It has taken time for them to dethrone jet griefers as the most worthless people playing this game, but they have.

 

I have more of a problem with these degenerates than I do with level 8000 phonies and passive mode jet griefers, or - dare I say - money glitchers!

Everything you said in your post, Blasterman4EVER, was relatively valid until you added that last phrase about money glitchers.

 

It demonstrates that you are not able to differentiate between someone who griefs constantly and without any obvious in-game objectives, and other people who use glitches to bypass things like paying for GTA online cash through credit cards.

 

Instead of making a valid argument, you rubbished it with that final statement.

 

It seems you have an issue with anyone who does not follow your rules of gentlemanly conduct, and you cannot differentiate between people who continuously grief just for the enjoyment of behaving like an asshole and dominating other people, and other people who just mind their own business and fiddle around with gaming mechanics for their possible financial advantage - the glitchers.

 

Constant griefers do not break any rules, but are generally considered to be the scum of GTA online.

Glitchers on the other hand, do break in-game rules, but are generally considered to be good guys.

No, they're not good guys.

 

I'm just asserting that I believe that suiciders are now the ultimate scum in GTAO.

 

You don't have to agree with me.

 

At least we agree that they're all in the same scum bucket.

 

It's not a failure to differentiate. I'm taking a stand.

 

It's not giving glitchers a pass. I'm saying they have less of an effect on my ability to enjoy the game than suiciders do, by a lot. Suiciders are much more common, and much more delusional about where they stand in GTAO.

 

They don't seem to understand how pathetic they are.

 

 

I mean, I've seen guys kill themselves WHILE IN JETS to avoid being killed. Can you think of anything more pathetic?

 

 

It's not a lack of overall gaming knowledge. I get it, man. You don't have to take that angle on it to argue that glitchers are worse than griefers. I have verified that suiciders get in the way of my ability to play the game as intended far more than people stealing money.

 

Of course, however, I would prefer to see all money-glitchers wiped from the face of the earth. But I'd notice a more marked improvement in GTAO after seeing suiciders disappear than after seeing money-glitchers disappear.

 

If you can't do it in a deathmatch, you shouldn't be able to do it in free mode.

 

Pfff. Killing yourself. The feature ruins the PvP. PvP is completely broken as long as the suicide function is able to be abused.

Edited May 1, 2017 by Blasterman4EVER

[Big Molio]

No, they're not good guys.

I'm just asserting that I believe that suiciders are now the ultimate scum in GTAO.

You don't have to agree with me.

At least we agree that they're all in the same scum bucket.

It's not a failure to differentiate. I'm taking a stand.

It's not giving glitchers a pass. I'm saying they have less of an effect on my ability to enjoy the game than suiciders do, by a lot. Suiciders are much more common, and much more delusional about where they stand in GTAO.

They don't seem to understand how pathetic they are.

I mean, I've seen guys kill themselves WHILE IN JETS to avoid being killed. Can you think of anything more pathetic?

I admire their dedication to maintaining their K/D ratio. That sort of thing doesn't mean sh*t to me, I don't even know what mine is as I type this, but if that's their thing, all power to them. "Takes all sorts" as they say.

 

It's the kickers I hate <shakes fist>

Edited April 29, 2017 by Big Molio

[Blasterman4EVER]

I admire their dedication to maintaining their K/D ratio. That sort of thing doesn't mean sh*t to me, I don't even know what mine is as I type this, but if that's their thing, all power to them. "Takes all sorts" as they say.

 

It's the kickers I hate <shakes fist>

 

Kickers? In general or on jobs? And getting kicked for what? Nothing? Or griefing? We've been saying a lot about in game functions, and kicking is one of them. So?

 

 

I don't admire that. Your KD/R is only important in deathmatches and jobs. Free moders who don't do jobs don't get credit for their free mode KD/R. A high KD/R for a free mode player is less of a sign of skill and more of a sign of sociopathy than anything. It just shows that they manipulate the glitches in the game and go out of their way to grief and target unskilled players, and avoid compromising themselves in anyway whatsoever, including the compromise of having fun. It also shows that they're cowards, because the concept of dying in a video game hurts their souls so much that they cast aside all dignity and practical gaming in the quest to shine their K/DR poles. Very disturbed individuals, these are, stroking those poles so insistently and fervently. Sigh. God, the universe, whatever - please help them in real life. They need it.

 

 

That said, I wish I didn't care, but it's kind of a stat that SCREAMS at you any time you press pause and look at a player. It's harder to ignore it than it is to not. It needs to be hidden somewhere in deeper stats so that people don't stroke it like a golden goose that craps out diamonds.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Blasterman4EVER

[Jenkiiii]

The best way to deal with an organised crew of jet griefers is in your own mind.

 

Accept that you can't beat them and move on. There's no point trying to combat four people in jets and helicopters using every tactic in the book.

Once you accept being outnumbered and out-gunned, you can move on and get on with your game in another lobby and in another way.

 

I know that sounds cowardly to some people, but I call it intelligent. Don't let other people ruin your fun and mess with your free time, especially if it makes you angry or upset. I've learned to take a single kill from a jet griefing crew on the chin and not let it bother me, and wait for an opportunity where I can be the dominant force, which is just around the corner, and allows me to get on with the things I want to do. It's my life and my free time.

Edited April 29, 2017 by Jenkiiii

[Semaj 2JZ♢]

It would be nice if someone could explain how anyone allows themselves to be "griefed". Everything is optional. You're not forced to a specific lobby. You are allowed a "passive mode" to avoid conflict, and there are even private sessions. I don't get it...

 

In no way do I condone or defend those who grief, or maybe a better word would be harass, but it still all falls on the player being responsible for him/herself at all times. The biggest problem is that FR was a total warzone from the beginning. There was nothing to cooperate with anyone else for. Later R* adds certain FR events but the roots were already inbedded.

 

In all honesty I find it rather douchey to use FR as your source for sh*ts n giggles on unsuspecting victims in the form of constant, unwarranted attacks.

 

But, I will say, if you're the type to kill any and all comers, instead of stalk, ambush or use any ulterior motive(s) on your opponents (which is what I would consider to be a definition of "griefing") and don't bitch about others similarly douchey tactics (because, let's face it, it's why you use FR to kill, instead of actual game modes with rules, limits and restrictions to create a fair arena for all) then I feel you. It's how I handle myself in FR. However, I have no sympathy for anyone who chooses to stick around when outgunned or unwillingly provoked. You want to keep dying, that's on you.

 

Happy killing!

Edited April 30, 2017 by Semaj 2JZ♢

[Lonely-Martin]

@ Semaj... 2 things, firstly, many times players 'scout' their sessions or go solo to begin this sh*t, so AFTER doing so, and 5 minutes into a larger sale, lets say 4 randoms drop in from a heist and want to cause drama... I chose to avoid it, yet it found me...

 

Personally, no biggie, but can be 1 cause of unwanted grief.

 

Secondly, as I've said, I see grief as going further than in-game as grief, and, until you block a player, and I've read many cases, and experienced for myself, where scumbags use multiple accounts to spam a multitude of crude ad disgusting messages/images... Look back through here or the best/worst message thread for many cases similar, most all started by a player just f*cking playing their way...

 

On top, there's cheats, mods, glitches, and all sorts happening man...

 

I agree, to be continously griefed by 1 person is nothing more than 'that' incident... As we can block, or kick if needed...

 

But until it happens and someone uses poor methods to cause real harassment, one way or another, it's so frequent at times that it's often not a case of being able to have done anymore to avoid some sh*t...

 

And good griefers/trolls/cheats etc. know many ways to be just that! Most cleaner players, certainly legit ones, will forever play catch up to these types as they need a certain 'sinful' website to help them cripple players too...

 

@ Big Molio... Not to look to disagree constantly dude, but I also see K/D's as nothing... Like much in GTA, too much can be manipulated to care fully about stats like that. As i said to Semaj, there's websites dedicated to this sh*t too. A shame many NEED help to 'win'...

 

Like Blasterman4EVER said, K/D's on DM'S and other modes that even out the playing field etc. Then I'll pay more attention and even fully congratulate the winner...

 

But some weasel getting 3 easy RPG kills after a heist, for example, I'm afraid, I can't respect those tactics or other similarly weak 'wins'...

 

It's those things we need to be aware of when looking into a K/D, unfortunately...

 

@ Jenkins... Fully agree dude, to know you are fully outgunned, and pick that fight is all good, but to expect to win and complain when the obvious happens is fully on the individual, far too many do pick those fights, lose, report, kick, cry and that drives their game in a warped way, then they post illogical and shameful posts...

 

@ ragedandcaged... Such pride in knowing you have a combat machine gun (and many inventory/phone call options) and that rank 39 only has, at best, a special carbine... Macho... And you want us to think you have 'pride' over the jet users... Behave...

 

(edit)... Messages don't cause grief? Have a read of the best/worst messages thread will ya, can remember who atm, but one chap had someone with 4 accounts stalking him with death threats!!! A bit of banter, the odd 'f*ck you' aside man .. It gets f*cking nasty on PSN/XONE at times...

 

A 'griefer' taking a stand... Now that's GTA...

 

@ Blasterman4EVER... I do hate those suicide drama queens, but I expect that behaviour from the weak so I just avoid them, granted being denied a great revenge kill is a real pain occasionally, but if they do have to resort to those tactics, I simply message asking why with a challenge to any R* created DM or LTS, a simple 5 min 1 on 1 to know for sure, and wouldn't you know?...

 

99% reject it and look to claim victory... Bah... They know they lost, and I kindly remind them that the kill I got came via legitimate gun skill, or luck, I ain't good, lol... And their kills came through weak methods...

 

I usually just get a 'shut up' or 'STFU'... Bless...

 

But they really don't bother me as much as a player using things like god mode on PS3 and the like... You CAN get suicide Queens but some cheaters you just will not get near... There are may more worse things than a bitch that has to EWO... Not many though, lol...

 

please don't make multiple posts in a row, edit your previous post instead of making a new one - thanks!

Edited April 30, 2017 by RedDagger

[SHADOW OPS]

Quadruple post much? I attack regardless of rank. I don't use the combat MG. I use the special carbine. If not a friend your life will end.

 

I am a poet and I do know it.

[hispls]

My beef is clearly the definition of what one calls grief,

 

Simply put it is intent. If the aggressor's objective is to make the victim miserable and that is his reward, the means and methods don't matter.

 

Again, it is so easy to avoid unknown players that the line blurs between victim and volunteer.

[SHADOW OPS]

97% of the time I am attacking those not trying to make money.

 

Them not going passive is on them. Not me.

[Great Britain]

I don't know why and how it's so hard for some people to simply understand that life isn't always fair and that is exactly the same with a game. You have the tools, you have your target and you have tons of free time on your hand. We all know what the majority of the players would do with these three things combined. What are people even trying to know by asking this question as to why someone "griefs" in a video game anyway? If you really want an answer for that, go take lessons in human psychology.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ragedandcaged... Yeah, that was a lot of posts looking back, I wanted to chat as I was going on the mobile... Ahh well...

 

@ Jenkiiii... My bad dude, my spell check called you Jenkins earlier, dumb phone...

 

@ hispls... I agree with the intent you suggest for sure, regardless of the means...

 

But, I disagree that all grief is avoidable when players can create up to 4 (that I've personal seen) accounts, or more, to attack a person, yes, block the aggressor, BUT IF that aggressor is determined to go that far and create alternative accounts to continue a feud, how can the victim know that's coming, especially if the victim is a social person and is looking to forge friendships and keeps their PSN/XLive accounts viewable.

 

@ Furry_Monkey... I don't get what you posted, call me naïve here as I know little of 'social media etiquette' to know the meaning of our nonsense... Talk like a grown up, I may respond, otherwise, good day.

Edited April 30, 2017 by KWF1981

[Jenkiiii]

@ragedandcaged... Yeah, that was a lot of posts looking back, I wanted to chat as I was going on the mobile... Ahh well...

 

@ Jenkiiii... My bad dude, my spell check called you Jenkins earlier, dumb phone...

 

@ hispls... I agree with the intent you suggest for sure, regardless of the means...

 

But, I disagree that all grief is avoidable when players can create up to 4 (that I've personal seen) accounts, or more, to attack a person, yes, block the aggressor, BUT IF that aggressor is determined to go that far and create alternative accounts to continue a feud, how can the victim know that's coming, especially if the victim is a social person and is looking to forge friendships and keeps their PSN/XLive accounts viewable.

 

Jenkins is close enough, no worries.

 

You're right. There are people who want to forge online relationships and people who want to go back up the womb and hide. There's a bit of both in all of us, but with maturity you learn to come out a bit more and get to know new people.

[SHADOW OPS]

I have forged online relationships with those something to add to the conversation. I know why furry monkey ignores others. The same reason I do. We don't want to hear what certain others have to say. Makes the day go much smoother.

[Jaydawg47]

People grief because they are animals. Put any animal in a dominant situation and he or she will most likely abuse it. There have been alot of experiments with humans to prove this.

 

However, take this example:

 

Player A plays the way he wants, player B does exactly the same thing. The only problem is, player A's style does not affect player B in any way, but player B's style does affect player A. It's up to player A whether it affects him negatively or not. If the latter is the case, even a donkey could point out who the asshole is here.

 

I personally think and hope the griefers are mainly kids. I have been there myself. Being an annoying jerk and crossing boundaries is a way to develop I guess. But I can't really understand adults who CONSISTENTLY try to annoy other people, even if it is "not against the rules". That is not the reason, just an excuse. Walking past someone having a heart attack is completely legal as well, however, in my opinion it still makes you a complete asshole.

[SHADOW OPS]

If I saw a real person in trouble I would assist and have in the past. You cannot compare a heart attack to me shooting someone in the clothing store. One is stupidity. The other is drastic.

[dino722]

I have forged online relationships with those something to add to the conversation. I know why furry monkey ignores others. The same reason I do. We don't want to hear what certain others have to say. Makes the day go much smoother.

But do you brag about it showing who you ignore or just ignore?? Thats the difference

[Jaydawg47]

If I saw a real person in trouble I would assist and have in the past. You cannot compare a heart attack to me shooting someone in the clothing store. One is stupidity. The other is drastic.

I'm not compairing those two, I'm just saying that doing something because there is no rule against it CAN make you an asshole. Therefore it is not a reason, merely an excuse.

[Furry_Monkey]

 

I have forged online relationships with those something to add to the conversation. I know why furry monkey ignores others. The same reason I do. We don't want to hear what certain others have to say. Makes the day go much smoother.

But do you brag about it showing who you ignore or just ignore?? Thats the difference

 

 

I didn't brag about it - I thought it was funny seeing so many bunched together and shared it. Where's the bragging in that?? How is ignoring people so you don't see what they post something to brag about? I literally have no idea how you think that.

Edited April 30, 2017 by Furry_Monkey

[dino722]

 

 

I have forged online relationships with those something to add to the conversation. I know why furry monkey ignores others. The same reason I do. We don't want to hear what certain others have to say. Makes the day go much smoother.

 

But do you brag about it showing who you ignore or just ignore?? Thats the difference

 

I didn't brag about it - I thought it was funny seeing so many bunched together and shared it. Where's the bragging in that?? How is ignoring people so you don't see what they post something to brag about? I literally have no idea how you think that.

Ignoring is all good, I do it. To show it at the comunity who you ignore may trigger a fight/argument causing the modders to close this interesting thread, plus I dont think its necesary to make someones opinion feal inferior due to your show the list of your ignored users. Just keep it for your self and keep your day smooth

[SHADOW OPS]

 

I have forged online relationships with those something to add to the conversation. I know why furry monkey ignores others. The same reason I do. We don't want to hear what certain others have to say. Makes the day go much smoother.

But do you brag about it showing who you ignore or just ignore?? Thats the difference

 

 

Just ignore. Good enough for me.