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InstaNoodles

13 Reasons Why - Netflix

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So, I finished this series on Netflix, and I just have to say that this series is amazing and definately worth a binge. It's a very dark and suspensful series, and I will say that there were some scenes that are hard to watch due to how graphic they are. This show is NOT shy about controversial topics.

13 Reasons Why is based on the novel of the same name. Essentially, it's about a 17 year old girl, named Hannah Baker (played by Katherine Langford) and why she killed herself. Before she killed herslef, Hannah recorded herself on cassette tapes, each tape telling why she did what she did. Those "reasons" are about the people who either hurt her and/or ruined her.

Anyway, the show is from the perspective of a 17 year old boy, named Clay Jensen (played by Dylan Minnette). Clay was a classmate and coworker of Hannah and had a big crush on her. He fits into the story, because one of the tapes is about him. They both liked each other, but neither the bravery to say it, and Clay is very introverted and awkward.

Overall, 13 Reasons Why is definately a memorable series. I can really relate to Clay, mainly because we are both the awkward, geeky, and introverted kid in the back of the classroom. If you have seen 13 Reasons Why, post your thoughts and opinions. I would love to discuss the events that occur in the show and the outcomes with you. If you haven't, check it out on Netflix.

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Raavi

 

The suicide scene I did not see coming, really f*cking gut wrenching.

 

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InstaNoodles

 

The suicide scene I did not see coming, really f*cking gut wrenching.

 

Yeah, I'm not lying when I say I almost puked. It's one thing to hear about it. It's another to actually see it...

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Rafae

Might have to start watching this lol

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InstaNoodles

Might have to start watching this lol

You should. My description doesn't do the show justice. The actors did an amazing job and the show can get really intense really fast.

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Spider-Vice

Literally just finished it and

 

 

 

The show played with my feelings like not many shows have before. It touched some personal points in places, and it was generally a great concept. Very gut-wrenching, there were some strong scenes, and the story telling was amazing. It really makes you think about how f*cked up life can really be at times, to you and to others.

 

One thing I found less good was that they should've showed us the trial, should've seen that motherf*cker Bryce get life in jail.

 

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InstaNoodles

Literally just finished it and

 

 

 

The show played with my feelings like not many shows have before. It touched some personal points in places, and it was generally a great concept. Very gut-wrenching, there were some strong scenes, and the story telling was amazing. It really makes you think about how f*cked up life can really be at times, to you and to others.

 

One thing I found less good was that they should've showed us the trial, should've seen that motherf*cker Bryce get life in jail.

 

I wish they gave us an epilogue episode. It would have been more satisfying than the ending they gave us. More time to see the outcomes of the show. I heard they were planning on a second season, but I'm not sure how it'll play out. It should've probably ended with just one season.

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RogerWho

Sounds intriguing. I do like well-done teenage dramas.

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InstaNoodles

Sounds intriguing. I do like well-done teenage dramas.

Go for it! The show will make you think and the dialogue isn't over dramatic. Some scenes I feel weren't needed, but I guess they build character.

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ClaudeSpeed1911

Might have to watch this now that its Spring Break.

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Mister Pink

Thanks for using spoilers, people. I just started this today. I just watched two episodes. It's such a compelling binge-worthy show.

 

I think the dialogue so far has been great. They really nail the parent/teen stuff realistically and the writer Jay Asher (not sure if he worked on the screenplay) seems to be really "with it" in terms of getting school politics and dialogue right.

 

I was a little skeptical at first but jumped right I know it's only 2 episodes it's all ready really captivating.

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RogerWho

^ Pretty much. Also 2 episodes in and it's getting interesting.

Not really a spoiler

Seems like the show calls itself out on things I had reservations about so it may get flipped on its head yet.

We'll see.

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RogerWho

Okay the 4th episode just pissed me off.

 

Again the photographer is depicted as a stalking weirdo. Because in the movies/on TV, nobody "normal" can have photography as a hobby (or profession).

The writers can go f*ck themselves.

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InstaNoodles

Okay the 4th episode just pissed me off.

 

Again the photographer is depicted as a stalking weirdo. Because in the movies/on TV, nobody "normal" can have photography as a hobby (or profession).

The writers can go f*ck themselves.

 

I get that it's a cliche, but something about Tyler did seem kinda off on the few occasions Clay interacted with him before ep 4. And you gotta admit, it was awesome what Clay did at the end.

 

 

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Mister Pink

I just watched the 3rd episode. I like some of the music throughout. In the 3rd episode I heard The Cure's Fascination Street.

 

Also the pool scene when Alex falls in to the pool there's a cover of Neil Young's Hey Hey My My (Into The Blue)

 

It's on SOA as you can see too.

 

 

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RogerWho

This was f*cking depressing :dontgetit:

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InstaNoodles

This was f*cking depressing :dontgetit:

Which episode are you on? Or are you just depressed from what you've watched so far?

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RogerWho

No, I kinda ended up binging through all of it last night, so, er the last couple of episodes, I guess. I didn't really like the show for the first half or so and I could poke holes through it if I wanted, but, geez. I won't be able to sleep for a week.

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InstaNoodles

No, I kinda ended up binging through all of it last night, so, er the last couple of episodes, I guess. I didn't really like the show for the first half or so and I could poke holes through it if I wanted, but, geez. I won't be able to sleep for a week.

Really? You skipped half of it? I couldn't skip any of it. My curiosity of how everyone played a part in Hannah's death kept me glued to the TV.

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RogerWho

Um no, I didn't skip anything, although I've been thinking about it. I didn't really like the first half. A bit too overly dramatic for the setting, which always makes me suspicious how invested I can get, so it took me a while. And the first half of the episodes could easily be truncated to half length without losing much.

 

But the last 3 or so and obviously the last one did mess me up. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna tell everyone about this.

 

I mean, I certainly have some reservations, but I suppose it's basically a "message show" for teenagers and as such, it's definitely great. I wish we had stuff like this years ago. In my teenage years the best we could hope for were some ultra heavy-handed, pathetic "message" episodes in sitcoms. Nobody would touch a theme like this with a 10-foot stick, not to mention the overall quality of TV production was much lower compared to what we have today.

 

In fact, I'm actually thinking of hunting down the book this is based on. I'm really curious how they differ.

 

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By the way, I'd like to recommend some other similar media which deal with similar issues. There are MTV's series Awkward. and Faking it. They are both dramedies so a lot of silliness is going on in both, and the first one is generally perceived to drop the ball after the first few seasons, but I appreciate both. From videogames, there's Life is Strange - obviously (I own 4 copies), and Oxenfree (GOG link). I'm not that fond of the latter but I think I was too harsh on it after my playthrough. It's certainly worth playing.

 

Interestingly, the above and some other media is actually what kind of skewed my initial reaction to 13 reasons. See, it's common for young adult media to balance the realistic drama either with comedy (like the above 2 shows or every sitcom ever) or allegory or supernatural elements (like both these games, or all the teenage witch shows in the 90's).

 

13 reasons does neither, which does make it feel potentially too heavy handed at times. In fact I feel like the whole story would work better in a setting with adults in some difficult environment (e.g. police force) rather than teenagers in school.

 

But I guess it's really just because I didn't expect it. I certainly know that when I was a teenager, I really wanted to see things like this, where young people can and have to deal with difficult situations without the director resorting to various crutches or making the teen unrealistic (remember Wesley Crusher?). So looking at the series from a younger perspective, I think it's exactly what the world needs right now.

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InstaNoodles

Um no, I didn't skip anything, although I've been thinking about it. I didn't really like the first half. A bit too overly dramatic for the setting, which always makes me suspicious how invested I can get, so it took me a while. And the first half of the episodes could easily be truncated to half length without losing much.

 

But the last 3 or so and obviously the last one did mess me up. I'm pretty sure I'm gonna tell everyone about this.

 

I mean, I certainly have some reservations, but I suppose it's basically a "message show" for teenagers and as such, it's definitely great. I wish we had stuff like this years ago. In my teenage years the best we could hope for were some ultra heavy-handed, pathetic "message" episodes in sitcoms. Nobody would touch a theme like this with a 10-foot stick, not to mention the overall quality of TV production was much lower compared to what we have today.

 

In fact, I'm actually thinking of hunting down the book this is based on. I'm really curious how they differ.

Thanks for clearing that up. I get that maybe the first episodes aren't all that interesting to others, but I liked them. I agree, some drama wasn't needed, but I guess it builds the other characters' personalities and moral standpoints.

 

I dug around the internet to find out about the book, and I found how show and the book are different.

 

The book is from Clay's POV (obviously), but that's it. There isn't much insight from the other characters and there was no scheme between them to keep Clay from revealing the tapes.

 

Also, there isn't any mention of their parents. From what I found, Clay's parents aren't in the book, and niether are Hannah's, so there's no lawsuit storyline.

 

 

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RogerWho

Yea I thought it would be something like that. While watching, I had the feeling that the original story was supposed to be very personal and intimate, maybe with potentially/partially unreliable narrators (I don't know if that's actually the case as I've not read the book but it feels like it's heading there at times). But it got bloated somewhere along the line, most likely when making the the TV series out of it.

 

The first half of the series really needed to be just around half-hour episodes as most of the stuff not directly related to Hannah's narration felt tacked on, and it's especially those parts that made me think the setting doesn't fit well. But yeah; if you remove all those elements supposedly not in the book, then it makes sense. Like

 

A lawyer mother and a geeky father barely react to when their previously nerdy son is suspended for drugs, skips school, disappears for hours and returns with a bloody face. Most parents would chain him to bed.

 

Yea I can tolerate it based on what I said - as a young adult drama where a teenager needs to cope with heavy stuff, it works I think. But it still clashes with the otherwise personal story.

 

Eventually they found their footing and made the extra stuff interesting, or maybe I just got used to it, but they also didn't really follow up on that - so the lack of an epilogue is quite jarring really.

 

And I'd still like to see sort of an original version of the private story, clear of all the extra stuff - so yea I'll probably go check out the book.

 

(BTW could you not quote entire long posts, especially if they are just above yours? It makes for some unnecessary scrolling especially for phone users.)

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InstaNoodles

 

 

Yea I thought it would be something like that. While watching, I had the feeling that the original story was supposed to be very personal and intimate, maybe with potentially/partially unreliable narrators (I don't know if that's actually the case as I've not read the book but it feels like it's heading there at times). But it got bloated somewhere along the line, most likely when making the the TV series out of it.

 

The first half of the series really needed to be just around half-hour episodes as most of the stuff not directly related to Hannah's narration felt tacked on, and it's especially those parts that made me think the setting doesn't fit well. But yeah; if you remove all those elements supposedly not in the book, then it makes sense. Like

 

A lawyer mother and a geeky father barely react to when their previously nerdy son is suspended for drugs, skips school, disappears for hours and returns with a bloody face. Most parents would chain him to bed.

 

Yea I can tolerate it based on what I said - as a young adult drama where a teenager needs to cope with heavy stuff, it works I think. But it still clashes with the otherwise personal story.

 

Eventually they found their footing and made the extra stuff interesting, or maybe I just got used to it, but they also didn't really follow up on that - so the lack of an epilogue is quite jarring really.

 

And I'd still like to see sort of an original version of the private story, clear of all the extra stuff - so yea I'll probably go check out the book.

 

(BTW could you not quote entire long posts, especially if they are just above yours? It makes for some unnecessary scrolling especially for phone users.)

 

Yeah, I see what you mean.

 

Also, sorry if I've inconvenienced you. I feel your pain, I post on a phone too, granted my phone is relatively big. I'm a relatively new user, so excuse my noobi-ness.

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RogerWho

I got the 10th anniversary edition book.

Book spoiler. Careful.

In the book she doesn't slit her wrists but takes pills.

 

And there is an alternative ending (included in the 10th anniv ed) where she survives. She was taken into a hospital but during the story nobody knew about it, so those who heard the tapes of course believed she is dead until the end.

 

 

Not quite sure what to think of that.

 

In any case, I've only read a little, but yea it definitely feels more personal. Also probably quite a bit less brutal. Also it's very very readable. The flow of the writing is great, like following one's own thoughts.

 

Compared to, say, G.R.R.Martin's style which I found to be borderline impossible to read and painfully boring most of the time, this is night and day. Though I'm not much of a reader admittedly.

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Shiva.

This is a great show which is deep and bold. I wish I could find more shows like this. Kate Walsh was amazing as Hanna's mother and she portrayed the grief well throughout the show.

 

 

I was really waiting to see how she'd react on seeing her daughter dead in the bathtub. That scene was so intense and well acted.

 

 

But, here's a question that'd been haunting me for a while and which I couldn't find an answer to anywhere. I didn't really have time to binge watch this show so forgive me if I forgot some little details. Here goes..

 

 

How did the tapes circulate in the show? What's the order? Who sent the tapes to Clay? Everyone on the tapes were supposed to pass the tapes to the person next tot them, right? But if memory serves me right, some like Jessica, Justin, Zack, Marcus, Courtney etc were all pissed off at the tapes and wanted it to go away so how could they have possibly passed on the tapes to each other?

 

Or was it Tony who made several copies of the tape and sent it to everyone including Clay?

 

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Rafae

This show is kind of growing on me. Still feels very feminine at times and makes me uncomfortable watching it, but it's very interesting after you get past that.

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InstaNoodles

 

 

This is a great show which is deep and bold. I wish I could find more shows like this. Kate Walsh was amazing as Hanna's mother and she portrayed the grief well throughout the show.

 

 

I was really waiting to see how she'd react on seeing her daughter dead in the bathtub. That scene was so intense and well acted.

 

 

But, here's a question that'd been haunting me for a while and which I couldn't find an answer to anywhere. I didn't really have time to binge watch this show so forgive me if I forgot some little details. Here goes..

 

 

How did the tapes circulate in the show? What's the order? Who sent the tapes to Clay? Everyone on the tapes were supposed to pass the tapes to the person next tot them, right? But if memory serves me right, some like Jessica, Justin, Zack, Marcus, Courtney etc were all pissed off at the tapes and wanted it to go away so how could they have possibly passed on the tapes to each other?

 

Or was it Tony who made several copies of the tape and sent it to everyone including Clay?

 

 

 

 

 

The order of the people was the order of the tapes. Since Justin was the first tape, he received them first, then Jessica, then Alex, and so on and so forth.

How everyone got the tapes, I believe is because of Tony. If you remember, everyone was aware that Tony had heard the tapes and made his own copies (there's that scene where he gets in his car, he puts a tape in the car's casette player, and Clay can hear that it's the tape #1).

Also, none of the characters (other than Clay) trust Tony.

 

 

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AmyJones

Ooh this looks very interesting im going to check this out. I need a break from orange is the new black anyway.

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InstaNoodles

Ooh this looks very interesting im going to check this out. I need a break from orange is the new black anyway.

Go for it. You won't regret it. Just be warned, there are very gut-wrenching moments in the show.

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Lubas

Great show.

Definitely going to recommend to people for this show.

 

 

I had to laugh to see Bryce's face when he figures out there's this tapes he doesn't know about. Still don't get why Alex would do so.

At one point, I thought Justin shot Bryce. But seeing Justin left him not-so night time yet, it's impossible.

 

I don't think a second season is needed, unless it's alternate ending

 

 

Any second season coming?

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