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European Politics Discussion


Raavi
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12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

That's why you tried to convince me EU was better than America First

If you recall, the majority of my reasons for preferring an EU centric deal were practical. But I doubt you do, because you cant read.

 

12 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

so are playing me a violin to represent sad music?

Read the bit of your post I quoted. I simply provided a pictorial representation of those words.

 

It's a cello, by the way. Violins are much, much smaller. In case you're still not clever enough to figure it out, the player of a cello is a cellist, and bureaucracy is above (over) the cellist. Hence over cellist bureaucracy.

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11 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

time for breaking out a boombox and dancing.  

 

This is quite literally the only topic you've broached so far that you actually have knowledge of.

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8 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

If you recall, the majority of my reasons for preferring an EU centric deal were practical. But I doubt you do, because you cant read.

 

Read the bit of your post I quoted. I simply provided a pictorial representation of those words.

 

It's a cello, by the way. Violins are much, much smaller. In case you're still not clever enough to figure it out, the player of a cello is a cellist, and bureaucracy is above (over) the cellist. Hence over cellist bureaucracy.

I know it's a cello, but the phrase goes

"I'm playing you the world's saddest song on the world's smallest violin" and thought it was you who didn't know what a violin was since you posted a cello trying to mock me? That's what I got from your post.

 

So, you're willing to ignore what was said for a pun and think EU regulations are great?

You obviously think they are otherwise you wouldn't be for the EU.

If we enter a customs union with the United States, wouldn't that make us big like the US market is?

We'd be joining one of the world's biggest markets if we did that, no?

And if we went back to lsb and oz, then isn't that more our way than when the EU made it all kg and litre?

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6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

thought it was you who didn't know what a violin

Unlike you, I'm not a philistine.

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

That's what I got from your post.

Because, as I've said before, you can't read.

 

6 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

So, you're willing to ignore what was said 

Am I going to ignore another one of your idiotic false straw men of my position? Yes, I am. I'm happy to entertain a post which actually responds to my position, but I see no reason I should address one that's got nothing to do with any view I've voiced.

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2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

So, you're willing to ignore what was said for a pun and think EU regulations are great?

 

Name me a bad EU regulation.

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8 minutes ago, Raavi said:

 

Name me a bad EU regulation.

The one I named already about bendy bananas wasn't 'bananas' enough for you? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94

 

How about this tariff on sugarcane to protect sugar beet? Isn't that a regulation that all sugarcane must pay a heavy duty when entering the EU to be processed into sugar? 

 

I think bad regulations include the naming of things like; no Budweiser beer that's not from Budweiser (this small town in Europe somewhere)? I know the EU took offense to the name Budweiser even though it came first in America from European immigrants to America who were the first in the world to register and use that name by about 10 or 20 years, the EU still are anal about Budweiser beer. Also, no using the internet unless you're asked to accept cookies all the time everywhere time after time.

 

That's just going o' t' t' with the regulation.

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5 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

And if we went back to lsb and oz, then isn't that more our way than when the EU made it all kg and litre?

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2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

The one I named already about bendy bananas wasn't 'bananas' enough for you?

Yeah, that's not even remotely close to what that regulation says.

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Just now, ilovebender.com said:

The one I named already about bendy bananas wasn't 'bananas' enough for you? - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Commission_Regulation_(EC)_No._2257/94

 

https://www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/media/euromyths/bendybananas.html

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19 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Unlike you, I'm not a philistine.

IDK, you think EU is freedom or hate freedom or something.

13 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

Yeah, that's not even remotely close to what that regulation says.

Didn't you read it? It literally says that.

12 minutes ago, Raavi said:

Okay, so it's a popular myth about a regulation on the shape of bananas.

 

Still not convincing me that there isn't over regulation considering there's such a thing as this regulation on bananas.

 

EU, have your regulated bananas.

 

16 minutes ago, Raavi said:

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Well, after Brexit we can ditch the kg and litres and take our lsb and oz with our mile.

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Didn't the specific regulation expire in 2012?

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30 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

IDK, you think EU is freedom or hate freedom or something.

Yet again, a swing and a miss Bobby-boy. Maybe if you paid more attention to what people were posting instead of just randomly repeating the same phrases like some kind of strippergram parrot you might know what other posters' positions are rather than always saying "IDK". You "DK" because you're an incompetent, illiterate flatfoot.

 

30 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Didn't you read it? It literally says that.

No, it doesn't. Not only does it not make any statement on what and what does not constitute a banana (setting out minimum standards for sale, not defining the object), it also doesn't define "abnormal curvature" and therefore does not itself ban anything specifically based upon how bendy (though "bendy" is completely the wrong word as it refers to flexibility, not curvature) it is.

 

It's also, as Svip pointed out, been retired for the best part of a decade.

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39 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Well, after Brexit we can ditch the kg and litres and take our lsb and oz with our mile.

I assume you want your pay packet to be issued in Shillings, Farthings and Pennies as well....

I can't see you ever earning a Guinea.

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28 minutes ago, Svip said:

Didn't the specific regulation expire in 2012?

I don't think that's the question, the real question is: why was the banana regulation there in the first place?

Answer: The EU's an overzealous bureaucracy. These things we know though, right? So why argue about it?

 

At least UK's membership of that club is set to expire by 2021.

 

It's an EU lie that says the UK leaving the EU is UK shutting itself off from the world.

UK isn't even shutting itself off from the EU since

  • UK's trying to talk deal with the EU

and; more importantly,

  • since when was the EU the world?

 

People who believe UK's Brexiting to shut itself off from the world are easily fooled by EU propaganda and don't know what Brexit's all about.

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2 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

I don't think that's the question

I mean it's your example. You're the one who brought it up. You should know what the "question" is.

 

3 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

why was the banana regulation there in the first place?

I think you'll find it's pretty common the world over for states to legislate on specific standards for different kinds of foodstuff. 

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12 minutes ago, sivispacem said:

I mean it's your example. You're the one who brought it up. You should know what the "question" is.

 

I think you'll find it's pretty common the world over for states to legislate on specific standards for different kinds of foodstuff. 

But banana fruit?

 

Why not all fruit?

 

I mean, the answer is, because the EU are unbelievably anal.

 

Take names of foods and drinks that have place names and why EU doesn't like Budweiser beer because it shares its name and heritage with some European beer that came after the American one.

 

Your blindness to why this is crazy or willingness to accept this without question, isn't even scary anymore since the UK voter evidently knows better than you and we're leaving, but if we wasn't leaving and you still accepted that EU way of being overly anal and tight on its regulations and red tape for regulation sake, would be scary - Soviets justified the Soviet Union too, but it didn't make that any less scary.

-but we're coming out, let the good times roll for freedom and divergence from all that nonsense.

1 hour ago, sivispacem said:

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Least I know we can post cartoons/funnies now;..

 

Image result for brexit boat cartoon

 

This is a perfect illustration of Brexit circa 2016.

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Yes, Ben Garrison is hilarious.  But not for the reasons he thinks.

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33 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

Image result for brexit boat cartoon

 

This is a perfect illustration of Brexit circa 2016.

 

This is a perfect illustration of Brexit circa 2020.

 

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2 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

But banana fruit?

As I've already said, specific regulations of this kind are not uncommon anywhere in the developed world. Here in the UK we have regulations on cabbage, for instance, that are not EU derived but are every bit as ridiculous.

 

2 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

why EU doesn't like Budweiser beer because it shares its name and heritage with some European beer that came after the American one.

Actually, though Budweiser Budvar was founded after the Anheuser-Busch Budweiser, the history of Bohemian Budweiser dates back to the thirteenth century. 

Even if it didn't, American Budweiser should be banned on account of it being tasteless fetid swill.

 

2 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Your blindness to why this is crazy or willingness to accept this without question

You accept it literally hundreds of times a day without questioning. Every time you buy an apple, or swipe a contactless card, or make a phone call, there are scores of pieces of relevant legislation that underpin those actions.

You just live in their ignorance- unless of course you think you can use them to try and make an argument about EU bureaucracy.

 

2 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Least I know we can post cartoons/funnies now;..

What gave you that idea?

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1 hour ago, sivispacem said:

Actually, though Budweiser Budvar was founded after the Anheuser-Busch Budweiser, the history of Bohemian Budweiser dates back to the thirteenth century. 

Which only means anything it seems in a European court when I believe that such a case should be open and shut favouring whom ever registered the name in Europe first.

 

When you start sounding like the EU citing history and a place name (in some cases); aren't you just as dangerous to intellectual property and rights we have when we successfully register them?

Where the state intervenes citing a culture and an unfair advantage over a registered trademark and name?

Why is this EU regulation to use a place name for a named product forcing 'outsiders' to re brand, any good?

It's hostile to free enterprise from outside the EU in the case of Budweiser.

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You do realise you can't call sour mash whiskey for Bourbon unless it's from Kentucky, right?  The EU isn't the only place with geographical protected names.

 

But anyway, American Budweiser is owned by AB InBev, which is a Belgian company, so I guess they just aren't pushing to have their American brand sold in the EU?  Or maybe they do, I don't know, I never look for Budweiser.

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Bobby doesn't actually give two sh*ts about sugarcanes, bendy bananas or Budweiser in Europe. Bobby is just grasping at straws to attempt to justify his misguided hatred for the EU. First it was mowing lawns on Sundays in a build-up area and muddy fields, now it is selling restrictions and antitrust. In reality though, Bobby has pretty much only benefited from being an EU citizen.

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4 hours ago, Raavi said:

Bobby doesn't actually give two sh*ts about sugarcanes, bendy bananas or Budweiser in Europe. Bobby is just grasping at straws to attempt to justify his misguided hatred for the EU. First it was mowing lawns on Sundays in a build-up area and muddy fields, now it is selling restrictions and antitrust. In reality though, Bobby has pretty much only benefited from being an EU citizen.

The only thing I'd miss about being in the EU is seeing Nigel Farage and even lately his new Brexit Party clash in the EU Parliament, that I confess is better than Eastenders in terms of entertainment.

As for you calling me an EU Citizen, despite what I'm told, despite any of that, I'm referring to what my legal document says; my passport calls me a British Citizen, and that's what I consider my demonym as; since I don't (personally) recognise there being such a thing as an 'EU Citizen' otherwise I'd have an EU passport calling me an EU Citizen with protections from EU's embassies the world over, but the EU doesn't have an embassy, countries do, so I'm a British Citizen.

 

What do I care about?

 

I care about America because it seems somebody has to; we've all lost our morals and sold it to some alien minded regime prone to acts of Socialism and Fascism and Communism; If I can get America First and benefit from duty free trade with America and access to that market and God willing a hope for freedom of movement to allow me to settle wherever in the United States no questions asked (pipe dream I admit, but if I could somehow swap the EU for the United States America); all would be right with the world.

 

Brexit is a step in that direction - and that's better than nothing.

 

I know such things like lawns aren't EU, they're national and I feel any nation having such a law makes that nation alien and backward, and it's alien in a backwards fashion in a bloc full of other alien minded and equally backward countries for different backward reasons;

We're a free country with a forward motion to these backwards steps (our rights for the minority, our freedom to mow when we want where we want with what we want) like the United States; So I'd choose our like minded spawned from us country 3, 000 miles away over this trading bloc in Europe.

The USSR was a bloc of countries. When Merkel of Germany called for the EU27 to act like a bloc in these negotiations; Personally that was my own time to want to Brexit the EU; so I converted and became a Brexiter;

EU's reaction to Trump upon Trump's election sealed the deal; the EU treated USA as hostile, and so the EU became hostile in my eyes.

Turning its back on freedom, turning its back on its liberators (the cheek of it all)! - the EU suddenly became 'evil/the baddies' for lack of a better description of what the EU turned into. (Basically, not a side I identified with at all).

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19 minutes ago, ilovebender.com said:

 Socialism and Fascism and Communism

oh my

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8 minutes ago, make total destroy said:

oh my

It's a big place (kinda), I mean, it's smaller than some parts of the world, but it's all (countries and cultures) tightly joined together here in Europe, but yes, such ideals I believe have still became the foundation from one country coming from one horrid regime to another country not a 1, 000 miles away coming from another horrid regime now acting like an overzealous bureaucratic bloc devoid of any real democracy pushing for a one world one government way of working.

 

I would say I reject this way, but the truth is, I and my country have rejected this; and now the thought of the UK staying in the EU is a toxic notion to the British electorate who'd probably oust the PM/head of government and their cabinet if they canceled Brexit at this point.

So I reject it, and so does my country; Thank God eh?

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I'm also passionate about the rights of minorities and believe UK could do more, but what the UK does is so much more than 'civilised' countries like France and NL, so, I guess when push comes to shove, I'm passionate about the rights of the minority - but I'm advocating in an EU First or America First situation for the UK; that we change from EU First to America First with Brexit.

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7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Whatever Pal...

Nope. You can't worm your way out of this one. I've been to both more EU countries than you, and to more places in America than you will ever be. By your own logic, you must yield to me as I have actual experience in those countries

 

So either admit your logic is crap, which it is, or admit defeat. You can't go on making baseless assumptions about the EU if you can't pass your own test.

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2 minutes ago, Tchuck said:

Nope. You can't worm your way out of this one. I've been to both more EU countries than you, and to more places in America than you will ever be. By your own logic, you must yield to me as I have actual experience in those countries

 

So either admit your logic is crap, which it is, or admit defeat. You can't go on making baseless assumptions about the EU if you can't pass your own test.

You said the EU will be stronger...

 

I honestly stopped reading your post at that point as you lost me/I stopped reading it, it looked like the ramblings of a mad person.

 

Exactly, how will the EU be stronger?

10 hours ago, Tchuck said:

 

 

The EU will only come out stronger from this. And you now have to accept what I say since I've been to more places than you and can categorically affirm the EU is a great thing. I'd wish for an Asian Union if it was possible. A united China-South Korea-North Korea-Japan bloc would be unstoppable. 

 

 

Yeah, I just think this is crazy talk from someone who doesn't like borders in this world and wants us to be nomadic or something. But, that line 'The EU will only come out stronger from this'...

Crazy imo.

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5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

You said the EU will be stronger...

Because they will. They won't have to cater to the UK's demands anymore. They'll be able to pass the regulations they wish. And Britain will either have to bite the bullet (and they will), or lose out majorly on trade deals. 

 

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

it looked like the ramblings of a mad person.

Physician, heal thyself. Or stripper, lap dance thyself. Or something.

 

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

Yeah, I just think this is crazy talk from someone who doesn't like borders in this world and wants us to be nomadic or something.

What the f*ck are even on about? I'm saying union between countries are excellent. They tend to make those countries stronger, and form closer bonds with each other. Which also helps with, you know, keeping the peace. But I'm aware statemanship and whatnot isn't your forte. It's no stripping for cash, mind you. 

 

5 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

But, that line 'The EU will only come out stronger from this'...

Because they absolutely will. Having been to both EU countries and America, I can without a doubt attest to the EU being better than America in most aspects. Which also makes them better than the UK in most aspects. As has been shown to you over and over and over and over.

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7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

that I confess is better than Eastenders in terms of entertainment. 

To be fair, eating wallpaper paste out of a plastic bucket is better entertainment than EastEnders, so it's not exactly a high bar.

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

As for you calling me an EU Citizen,

You might not like it but it's factually true, much like calling you an imbecile.

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

since I don't (personally) recognise there being such a thing as an 'EU Citizen'

It's a good thing that whether you recognise something or not has zero bearing on its empirical accuracy, isn't it?

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I'd have an EU passport calling me an EU Citizen

What makes you think that? Are you not a citizen if you don't possess a passport? 

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

(our rights for the minority

You still haven't explained why you- incorrectly- believe that this exists solely in the UK and US. Repetition ad nauseum doesn't constitute an argument by the way.

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

The USSR was a bloc of countries.

No it wasn't. Where on earth did you get this idea?

 

The USSR was a single sovereign federal state. Despite being nominally named a Union, it had a single centralised government and economy, with no regional autonomy for what would become successor states.

 

The Warsaw Pact/CoMEcon is more rightfully described as a bloc.

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

EU's reaction to Trump upon Trump's election sealed the deal

Performing a complete ideological 180 into a feverish but no less ignorant ardent Brexiteer in response to these two factors is amongst the most ridiculously absurd reactions I've seen anyone make to anything.

 

7 hours ago, ilovebender.com said:

I'm also passionate about the rights of minorities

Just not when they disagree with you ideologically, when you call for them to literally be shot in the streets, amiright?

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