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shadyslady

Johnny's part in "Mr. Philips" feels about right

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shadyslady

I recently played GTA 4 and TLAD from start to finish.

Back in 2013 when JK got his head stomped and Terry and Clay running like cowards, taken out by a single bullet from a pistol I was disappointed how Rockstar put them to an end.

Actually, Terry and Clay still have poor deaths.

 

Now my point is, the development of Johnny K between GTA 4 and TLAD.

Everything we see in 4 is a rough and rugged biker.

His appearance is grittier.

They changed Johnny to some tryna-be-niko-bellic-moral-wise, giving him a biker apparel to appeal to the masses and made him more accessible and acceptable for the masses.

It doesn't fit and I can't take him seriously.

He is against war? Then going all out.

HOW it ia executed...it just doesn't fit.

So, good thing they pushed him more into this directon...making him getting addicted to Ashley again.

 

Also Jim Fitzgerald, making him a coloured best friend of Johnny wheras he is a white patriot talking bout "ride like real Americans" to Niko during the subway chase.

It was to step away from the impression Johnny could be a racist.

 

R* didn't have the balls to go into this bold direction back then.

So, good thing they killed him off.

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Mr_Rager

Didn't really see it as bold, I saw it as a way to establish Trevor and put him over, to me it was just rushed and inconsistent with the previous portrayal of the Lost.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

It's good that Trevor Philips killed Johnny Klebitz.

The important bikers like Jim, Brian, Billy, Clay & Terry got killed coz of him.

Billy was ALWAYS good to Johnny. It was Johnny who kept opposing Billy. At last, when he couldn't defeat Billy by lobbying, he ratted him down. In tLaD, he got Billy, Jim & Brian killed.

In V, he got Terry & Clay killed!!!

He also ratted out Ray Boccino.

That's why the LS Chapter of TLMC said in a mission,

"Johnny Klebitz was never fit for the Lost man. Billy Grey was a good leader. Let it go, let's take a ride."

Edited by DIze

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Payne Killer

Billy was a junkie who was going to get the lost killed, Johnny made the right choice putting a bullet in him and burning down the club. IMO, I'd rather see John boy dead, than old and rotting, guy was brought down by Ashley and her drug problem, eventually he would've got on drugs as well.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

I dont know why they'd put Ashley in the gang. She neither fought wars nor owns a BIKE! But sadly, she's considered as a biker.

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Payne Killer

Ashley was a pass around, Billy and almost everyone else had a turn with her, they also kept her safe but Johnny wasn't happy with her drug use.

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CreepShow

Billy was a selfish asshole, if you cant see that, you didnt understand the whole f*cking plot.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

I'd rather see John boy dead, than old and ratting.

Yes, exactly. Otherwise he would have ratted out more innocent people like Billy, Brian, Ray & Jim etc.

His death fits really good ;).

Edited by The American Army 1775

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CreepShow

 

I'd rather see John boy dead, than old and ratting.

Yes, exactly. Otherwise he would have ratted out more innocent people like Billy, Brian, Ray & Jim etc.

His death fits really good ;).

 

HAHAHAHAHAHA. Im laughing real hard here.

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B Dawg

Well technically, Ray was innocent. Johnny K was the bad guy in this situation (hey, at least for once we got a protagonist that has the balls to rip off a mission giver for a big ass profit)

Edited by B Dawg

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Mr_Rager

Ray is a pretty sad character lol. He wasn't a rat, got robbed by John boy, his life was truly in just f*ck my sh*t up mode.

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B Dawg

Ray is a pretty sad character lol. He wasn't a rat, got robbed by John boy, his life was truly in just f*ck my sh*t up mode.

And then he got betrayed by Pegorino ordering Niko to kill him :(

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CreepShow

Wasnt Ray the one rat talking to the fed? That was the reason why Pegorino killed him, right? I mean, they kill Anthony and they still think there's still a rat in the family, and no way Phil was the one talking.

 

And even if he wasnt a rat at all, he was scumbag.

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Brian Grey

The criminal lifestyle Johnny, Terry, Clay and many other Lost bikers lived its not a surprise they'd be killed, Jason Michaels was killed for his relationship with a mob bosse's Daughter, Billy re-started the War with the Angels of Death, a war that had gotten many Lost members killed, Angus got crippled (lets end it at that).

I guess Johnny was better of being killed in sort of in his prime before he experienced the toll of his lifestyle leave him a weak and damaged old man, that leg and any other injury would just of gotten worse with old age, I understand why its seen as a stupid death for Johnny but actually makes sense, he was always weak when it came Ashley, she got in trouble and he is there to save her, he knew he needed to cut her off for good but he's too weak emotionally to do that, he still loves Ashley and Rockstar showed that in a literal sense with Johnny being weak and skinny and getting killed easily by a raging psychotic redneck known as Trevor Philips all because of his love for Ashley.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

 

Ray is a pretty sad character lol. He wasn't a rat, got robbed by John boy, his life was truly in just f*ck my sh*t up mode.

 

And then he got betrayed by Pegorino ordering Niko to kill him :(Raymond Boccino taught that backstabber Johnny, the biker scumbag a good leason that he wont forget in his life. It was all Johnny's fault. The Lost could really survive well if he had accepted Billy's orders. It's good that he's dead.

He ratted out 4 men & got ratted by ONE MAN, ONE MAN!

His Lost members too accept, "Johnny K was never a good leader of The Lost MC. Billy Grey was a real brother of Lost"

The other TLMC Mems also knew Johnny well. That's why they supported Brian rather than Johnny.

At last, a rat got caught up by a cat.

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B Dawg

It was all Johnny's fault. The Lost could really survive well if he had accepted Billy's orders. It's good that he's dead. He ratted out 4 men

Lol, whatever helps you sleep at night.

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Piggsy pls

The Lost would not have survived with either Billy or Johnny as both were terrible leaders.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

No man, Billy Grey was never a terrible leader. He used to make plans and he had respect for his Lost brothers. It was Johnny who sold Billy's bike to the Deadbeats in the name of 'Truce'. He could steal another similar Revenant and give it to The Deadbeats. He just wanted to stab Billy, either in front or at back.

 

"Johnny, have you met Ray Bo Ccino? Ray, Johnny my brother "

 

"The almighty forgives Johnny, The Lost dont"

[And he gifted Johnny the grenade launcher he'd brought from Ray]

 

"You're my brother Johnny. Always."

 

Then he ratted out Ray and got Jim killed.

He killed Billy after killing Brian.

 

In GTA V, Trevor killed him coz Johnny abused him. It was Johnny's fault, not Trevor's. At last, most probably after dying, he got his remaining friends - Terry and Clay killed too.

 

Johnny was a complete backstabber and it was necessary for R* to shut him up somehow.

Edited by The American Army 1775

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B Dawg

In GTA V, Trevor killed him coz Johnny abused him.

Lol, I wish Johnny did abuse him and treat him like a little crying bitch that he is. At least then, Trevor would have had a proper end-game antagonist.

Edited by B Dawg

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SmokesWithCigs

Billy was a selfish asshole, if you cant see that, you didnt understand the whole f*cking plot.

also billy set up johhny and jim in the "this sh*t is cursed mission" in tbogt you can see billy plotting on johnny with the triads.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

No, Billy Grey was not that kind of man.

He was probably forced to do that. Johnny and Jim were becoming headache for The Lost.

Though Billy made a plan to set J & J up, still, he changed his mind. He realized his mistake. Jim and Johnny forced him to go to CT. He knew that Johnny and Him will escape from there. That's why he'd waited for both of them.

After the cops came to him, he said "You set me up Johnny!"

He meant there "Johnny! Come and help me."

But Johnny and Jim stood there watching the show. They didn't help Billy to get out of there.

Edited by The American Army 1775

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Journey_95

No it was f*cking stupid and bad writing. They completely butchered Johnny's character (Terry and Clay were jokes as well with how they ran away from Trevor..) just for cheap shock value.


No, Billy Grey was not that kind of man.
He was probably forced to do that. Johnny and Jim were becoming headache for The Lost.
Though Billy made a plan to set J & J up, still, he changed his mind. He realized his mistake. Jim and Johnny forced him to go to CT. He knew that Johnny and Him will escape from there. That's why he'd waited for both of them.
After the cops came to him, he said "You set me up Johnny!"
He meant there "Johnny! Come and help me."
But Johnny and Jim stood there watching the show. They didn't help Billy to get out of there.

This sounds like something Billy Grey would say, lol. He was an evil & egotistical f*ck man, play TLAD again and pay attention.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

The whole Alderney Chap of Lost knew that Johnny was a rat.

Even Michael Klebitz, Johnny's brother tells thar Billy was like Jesus Christ himself, while he calls Johnny a rat.

Billy was dead against the deal of heroin. He was there in DH Plaza to make necessary arrangementsfor the deal. He just criticizes JJohnny's disloyality there.

After THIS sh*t'S CURSED mission, in biker backup stats, it says that Billy is arrested and the skills of Brian are increased. This shows that Billy and Brian were watching Jim's and Johnny's backs.

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D T

1775 has a point. Johnny was dragging the club down by making peace with Angels of Death. That's why Billy came along and tried to make the clubhouse great again. And he would've succeeded too, but Johnny went and spread fake news to Jim and others.

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Miamivicecity

I'd like to think there was some meaning, but seeing as how poorly the rest of the cameos are handled and the consensus that GTA V's writing sucks dick wasting Johnny/The Lost still feels like some weird few minutes of fame to let the anti-GTA IV/TLAD fanboys indulge in.

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CreepShow

So this whole thread is about the op telling everybody -no matter what arguments are given- that JK is a rat when he's not. Okay, I tried, Im out. Call me when you grow some brains and then maybe I can take you serious.

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Hot Pursuit

It's not "quite right" but it's really true. Trevor did a very big favor for the whole universe for stomping that drug-addled, washed-up nice personold wannabe-bikers

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simonp92

Seems like allot of misconceptions are floating around here, mainly the complete misunderstanding of the words "ratted out".

 

To rat out means to snitch. Something, which by no means describes Johnny in any capacity. When the police calls him, he them tells to get a warrant, and hangs up. He also kills the police officers threatening jim and him after they stole the AoD bikes. How is he a rat exactly?

 

Meanwhile, characters being defended in here, like Billy, Brian and Ray are the very definitions of snitches.

Billy is turning states selling out his brothers, hoping to get into the witness protection program and out of prison. And yes he also set up johnny and Jim to get killed by the Traids. Another betrayal only because he wanted to stay in power.

Furthermore he lied to johnny about the AoD's killing Jason. It is likely he only did this in order to get a hold of their heroin.

 

In "Bad standing" Brian is on the phone with the police, saying something like "Hell I don't wanna be in prison or anything, but I'll take it." He obviously would have joined Billy on the stand had Johnny not killed or intimidated him.

 

Lastly there's Ray, whom we don't actually know is a rat or not. Pegorino is clearly becoming paranoid, so if there's a rat, it's possible that it is not Ray, and he only was killed in order to tie up a loose end with Ray being a minor antagonist in TLAD. That being said, his last name literally means snitch in Italian, so take that as you will.

Johnny did backstab Ray. This is probably one of the only times in the entire GTA franchise were the player character is actually the one to betray someone, and yes, it may not be deserved, Ray actually helped Johnny by telling him were Brian was.

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Gokuzbu

Billy didn't really care about Jason (just used his death to inspire the heroin robbery), didn't acknowledge Angus anymore, dealt with the Triads to kill Johnny and Jim, snitched to the pigs in exchange for witness protection. There's no defense for the guy he is scum. Johnny in GTA V is non canon in my book.

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The Rockstar Gamer 108

Wth? The FBI O was just trying to get all Info's about TLMC from Johnny by scaring him. He did so because Billy was refusing to open his mouth to the state.

And Stubbs, he was predicting. "IF he collars you"

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