Anti - Hydra / Lazer Stealth Plane Petition

[ThaBirdCoot]

 

 

 

 

"attacks only Jets indiscriminately. Not Helicopters. "

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how would you want to control how players use their aircraft ? Would other armed aircraft be ghost/passive to this stealth plane? Doesn't sound like an idea R* would be familiar with.

 

I'm not for, or against Jets, only bought the Hydra back on PS3. It was a real waste of money to a player like me, but my point is if I'd have to blow 15 million on any sorta aircraft ever, you better let me use it how I want to.

 

 

 

Its meant for one purpose only. Air to Air combat. That's it. Helcopters don't count on being in that show. Lets just say it is allowed to shoot down helicopters. Then you will have people complaining about how this jet is too OP etc etc etc. Helicopters are too easy of a target to hit, even buzzards don't last too long.

 

 

I've taken down my share of Jets in a Buzzard, you need the right approach, a little luck on our side perhaps, that is all. Helicopters definetly hold their place in air to air combat. There's no such thing as real dog fighting between Jet users in GTA Online anyways 98% percent of the time.

 

Besides my point still remains, 15 million on a vehicle with imposed restrictions and a sole purpose, no thanks.

 

That's your decision. It's not meant for everyone which is the point also.

If anything, it would be R* decision to add this, which means if they added it, it would be indeed meant for everyone to use

Imo it is not even a bad idea but there are a few things in the OP that will simply never make it to GTA Online in it's current state.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Brick Top

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"attacks only Jets indiscriminately. Not Helicopters. "

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how would you want to control how players use their aircraft ? Would other armed aircraft be ghost/passive to this stealth plane? Doesn't sound like an idea R* would be familiar with.

 

I'm not for, or against Jets, only bought the Hydra back on PS3. It was a real waste of money to a player like me, but my point is if I'd have to blow 15 million on any sorta aircraft ever, you better let me use it how I want to.

...by only locking on to lazer and hydra? What's so hard to understand about this. Of course you can still crash into others, but that's not really a big deal anyways.

 

Locking on all JET types / Luxors/ Mil jet/ Nimbus/ Besra / etc etc.... NOT JUST the hydra / Lazer

k, your concept just became useless. there's literally no reason why anything should lock on to an UNARMED aircraft. as if they're not fukced enough already.

 

If you say so, get another player to join you and fly as an escort for you. The skies aren't meant to be a safe haven, no different than being on the streets.

 

Why do i have to rely on another player, just because some cnut thinks he's gotta attack an unarmed aircraft (in which you may not even be able to go passive) with his overpowered jet? There's absolutely no point to add another jet, that ruins normal aircrafts even more and doesn't do anything against lazers and hydras..

 

No one said you had to rely on anyone. It's a personal choice, you can fly passive, fly alone and risk it or get a player/friend/crew mate to fly with you. Its the co-op team play that is being promoted out of all of this as a whole. To make the sky as dangerous as the ground.

[update_lsc]

 

 

 

 

 

 

"attacks only Jets indiscriminately. Not Helicopters. "

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how would you want to control how players use their aircraft ? Would other armed aircraft be ghost/passive to this stealth plane? Doesn't sound like an idea R* would be familiar with.

 

I'm not for, or against Jets, only bought the Hydra back on PS3. It was a real waste of money to a player like me, but my point is if I'd have to blow 15 million on any sorta aircraft ever, you better let me use it how I want to.

...by only locking on to lazer and hydra? What's so hard to understand about this. Of course you can still crash into others, but that's not really a big deal anyways.

 

Locking on all JET types / Luxors/ Mil jet/ Nimbus/ Besra / etc etc.... NOT JUST the hydra / Lazer

k, your concept just became useless. there's literally no reason why anything should lock on to an UNARMED aircraft. as if they're not fukced enough already.

 

If you say so, get another player to join you and fly as an escort for you. The skies aren't meant to be a safe haven, no different than being on the streets.

 

Why do i have to rely on another player, just because some cnut thinks he's gotta attack an unarmed aircraft (in which you may not even be able to go passive) with his overpowered jet? There's absolutely no point to add another jet, that ruins normal aircrafts even more and doesn't do anything against lazers and hydras..

 

No one said you had to rely on anyone. It's a personal choice, you can fly passive, fly alone and risk it or get a player/friend/crew mate to fly with you. Its the co-op team play that is being promoted out of all of this as a whole. To make the sky as dangerous as the ground.

 

Well, if you find out a way to use passive in deluxe aircraft, sure i could do that. The sky isn't supposed to be as dangerous. If somebody doesn't want to engage in pvp, there should be no option to kill them. Adding the lazer and hydra the way they are now, was a big mistake.

[_47_]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

"attacks only Jets indiscriminately. Not Helicopters. "

 

Pardon my ignorance, but how would you want to control how players use their aircraft ? Would other armed aircraft be ghost/passive to this stealth plane? Doesn't sound like an idea R* would be familiar with.

 

I'm not for, or against Jets, only bought the Hydra back on PS3. It was a real waste of money to a player like me, but my point is if I'd have to blow 15 million on any sorta aircraft ever, you better let me use it how I want to.

...by only locking on to lazer and hydra? What's so hard to understand about this. Of course you can still crash into others, but that's not really a big deal anyways.

 

Locking on all JET types / Luxors/ Mil jet/ Nimbus/ Besra / etc etc.... NOT JUST the hydra / Lazer

k, your concept just became useless. there's literally no reason why anything should lock on to an UNARMED aircraft. as if they're not fukced enough already.

 

If you say so, get another player to join you and fly as an escort for you. The skies aren't meant to be a safe haven, no different than being on the streets.

 

Why do i have to rely on another player, just because some cnut thinks he's gotta attack an unarmed aircraft (in which you may not even be able to go passive) with his overpowered jet? There's absolutely no point to add another jet, that ruins normal aircrafts even more and doesn't do anything against lazers and hydras..

 

No one said you had to rely on anyone. It's a personal choice, you can fly passive, fly alone and risk it or get a player/friend/crew mate to fly with you. Its the co-op team play that is being promoted out of all of this as a whole. To make the sky as dangerous as the ground.

 

Well, if you find out a way to use passive in deluxe aircraft, sure i could do that. The sky isn't supposed to be as dangerous. If somebody doesn't want to engage in pvp, there should be no option to kill them. Adding the lazer and hydra the way they are now, was a big mistake.

 

Hydra and Lazer should've stayed on single player. Everyone knows rockstar has to do something about it because this issue will keep popping up every month and every year until GTA6 releases.

[Cratoz]

The thing is, a faster jet won't win against jets with more agility in a dogfight.

 

Lazer > Hydra > your jet

Being faster is pretty much useless in a dogfight situation and especially the Lazer will still dominate and since there are no cannons you won't win most of times.

 

I can see your idea only promoting cheap gameplay such a passive hopping until you're behind the jet, or ghost etc.

 

 

The explosive rounds are still the main factor why jets are being looked at as being OP.

Treat the cause, not the symptom

[_47_]

The thing is, a faster jet won't win against jets with more agility in a dogfight.

 

Lazer > Hydra > your jet

Being faster is pretty much useless in a dogfight situation and especially the Lazer will still dominate and since there are no cannons you won't win most of times.

 

I can see your idea only promoting cheap gameplay such a passive hopping until you're behind the jet, or ghost etc.

 

 

The explosive rounds are still the main factor why jets are being looked at as being OP.

Treat the cause, not the symptom

So far they haven't removed the explosive round cannons yet and GTA 5 has been out for how long.... People have suggested it multple times multiplied by a thousand and still nothing. This is just another spotlight shining about the topic. I won't be the last one suggesting a crazy idea to counter the fighter jets we have now.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

Ugh...i really hate it to destroy most of the ideas of this forum but some of you people are really asking for it.

First, the price would make that only the ultra rich are gonna be able to afford this.
If this is intended to be a solution for the current jet problem, how is this gonna be of much help ?

Then i wonder how faster missiles that are easier to evade are exactly gonna work.
If because of the lack of extra info on this idea, i am using my imagination, i can only imagen missiles being fast but having a severe wide turning radius.
This would work honestly really well when the opponent is close, but work really bad if the opponent is far away and if said opponent in jet is in such a disadvantage because of the missiles being really fast that the opponent will generally lose in a dogfight, i can assume those missiles are really fast.
And if so i can not see why someone would find this jet unfitting to grief ground players with, especially when ground player is doing cargo missions.

Also i have questions with the no helicopter targeting.
Even if that would mean there is no lock on, if the rockets are really that fast...lets say homing launcher speed fast, this thing is still gonna hunt helicopters regardless.

Also regarding the low turning radius of the jet, i wonder if this vehicle would even fair well in a dogfight once the oponent is behind you when piloting this thing.

Add to that that this thing would be off radar 2/3th of the time and homing launchers do not lock on to it, i think this vehicle will indeed work great as an anti jet hunter and with its low armor would also be a crappy vehicle against people on foot, but it would totaly destroy drivers and pilots of any kind.

And the hydra would still rule the skies regardless in general because as a semi competent pilot, if this thing would be behind me i probably die once if i can not jump out in time, but once that happened i apparently should be able to take this thing down with a few heavy sniper rounds, get in my hydra and just take it to the sky and being careful of the other guy when he goes to LSIA or sandy shores and...heck...if i am to late to stop him, i can still jump out and heck...maybe i even can get him smoking/blown up by a few ap pistol rounds while parachuting.
Sure it must be doable if his armor is indeed 0.

Really...this ain't the worst idea i have seen by far, but i am pretty sure that is just because other people their ideas are in general that bad.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Darth Absentis

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Ugh...i really hate it to destroy most of the ideas of this forum but some of you people are really sking for it.

 

First, the price would make that only the ultra rich are gonna be able to afford this.

If this is intended to be a solution for the current jet problem, how is this gonna be of much help ?

 

Then i wonder how faster misiles that are easier to evade are exactly gonna work.

If because of the lack of extra info on this idea, i am using my imagenation, i can only imagin misiles being fast but having a severe wide turning radius.

This would work honestly really well when the oponent is close, but work really bad if the oponent is far away and if said oponent in jet is in such a disadvantage because of the misiles being really fast that the oponent will generally lose in a dogfight, i can asume those misiles are really fast.

And if so i can not see why someone would find this jet unfitting to grief ground players with, especially when ground player is doing cargo missions.

 

Also i have questions with the no helicoper targetting.

Even if that would mean there is no lock on, if the rockets are really that fast...lets say homing launcher speed fast, this thing is still gonna hunt helicopers regardless.

 

Also regarding the low turning radius of the jet, i wonder if this vehicle would even fair well in a dogfight once the oponent is behind you when piloting this thing.

 

Add to that that this thing would be off radar 2/3th of the time and homing launchers do not lock on to it, i think this vehicle will indeed work great as an anti jet hunter and with its low armor would also be a crappy vehicle against people on foot, but it would totaly destroy drivers and pilots of any kind.

 

And the hydra would still rule the skys regardless in general because as a semi competent pilot, if this thing would be behind me i probably die once if i can not jump out in time, but once that happened i apperantly should be able to take this thing down with a few heavy sniper rounds, get in my hydra and just take it to the sky and being careful of the other guy when he goes to LSIA or sandy shores and...heck...if i am to late to stop him, i can still jump out and heck...maybe i even can get him smoking/blown up by a few ap pistol rounds while parachuting.

Sure it must be doable if his armor is indeed 0.

 

Really...this ain't the worst idea i have seen by far, but i am pretty sure that is just because other people their ideas are in general that bad.

 

Oh don't worry I'm pretty sure your idea for solving the Hydra / Lazer griefing issue would be a sight to see. Unless you would also count yourself among the thousands of players who suggested the same thing too.

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

Cool story bro

[rtie]

Yeah.. fight griefing by adding more jets, genius.

[Dacelo]

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

Fitting name

[SHADOW OPS]

isn't ruiner 2000's multiple gadgets ( especially the missiles ) are enough to trounce a jet pilot ?

During vip work yes.

[FlacidJack]

I read the Newswire post about the future of GTA Online and they said something about trying to balance the game. I had much fun being blown up on my bike rescuing that guy from the police station on a biker contract.

Thanks Hydra.

you mean that fluffy feel good post on their continued efforts of cracking down on cheaters? Lol... Yea... All BS bro.

What their actually saying is, "The game is f***ed but please buy shark cards because we have no idea how to fix it and we keep breaking it when we try! If you experience the toxicity of our poorly created sessions please feel free to make a game out of reporting other players in vain. Beats making us do our job at creating a game every paying customer can enjoy! After all, this is GTA (whatever the f**k that means).

[.Vooodu.]

 

I read the Newswire post about the future of GTA Online and they said something about trying to balance the game. I had much fun being blown up on my bike rescuing that guy from the police station on a biker contract.

Thanks Hydra.

you mean that fluffy feel good post on their continued efforts of cracking down on cheaters? Lol... Yea... All BS bro.

What their actually saying is, "The game is f***ed but please buy shark cards because we have no idea how to fix it and we keep breaking it when we try! If you experience the toxicity of our poorly created sessions please feel free to make a game out of reporting other players in vain. Beats making us do our job at creating a game every paying customer can enjoy! After all, this is GTA (whatever the f**k that means).

 

 

Lmao.. You win.

 

 

God id love to have the guy in charge of GTA sit down for an interview with someone who actually asks real questions about the state of the game.

 

First question. = Are you just incompetent, lazy OR just like trolling your fan base?

 

Id says its a combo of all 3. ..lol

[Skycam]

Players complain they don't want to go get a 3 million dollar jet to deal with a jet.

 

OP proposes a 15 million dollar jet that players will have to go get to deal with a jet?

 

What a terrible idea. Sorry OP. Also multiple wishlist threads have been added for ideas for new vehicles or ideas for gameplay changes, use them.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

Fitting name

 

 

It's ironic (and ripping on people who use this as their go to slam). I spent all last week ripping Rock Star for removing the Kuruma from the Pac Std job.

 

Just because I don't curl up in a little ball and cry about jet meanies doesn't actually make me a Rock Star fan boy. You can choose to whine about what you perceive as a challenger or take matters into your own hands. I have chosen the latter. But you fill out your little petition (and seal the proverbial envelope with your salty tears) and I'll just keep toying with jet boys, running them into buildings, dog fighting them, etc.

Players complain they don't want to go get a 3 million dollar jet to deal with a jet.

 

OP proposes a 15 million dollar jet that players will have to go get to deal with a jet?

 

What a terrible idea. Sorry OP. Also multiple wishlist threads have been added for ideas for new vehicles or ideas for gameplay changes, use them.

 

8-10 mill is the max for items as that basically is one Megaldon card. Anything more than that and they are catering to modders and cheaters (who would have the jets anyway). But, this wasn't meant to be an honest solution, but rather, "I'd like to see lets jets because I don't know how to deal with them.") Rock Star cares about 2 things: 1) shark card sales and 2) number of monthly players. Both of these things are enhanced by the Hydra, so don't expect changes ever (and they aren't needed as there already is a good balance).

Edited February 7, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

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isn't ruiner 2000's multiple gadgets ( especially the missiles ) are enough to trounce a jet pilot ?

During vip work yes.

 

My mate could easily avoid the missiles with his hydra. Fly in circles and you're good. Ruiner really isn't a threat to jets, sadly. Missiles are the same on both versions.

[SHADOW OPS]

 

 

isn't ruiner 2000's multiple gadgets ( especially the missiles ) are enough to trounce a jet pilot ?

During vip work yes.

 

My mate could easily avoid the missiles with his hydra. Fly in circles and you're good. Ruiner really isn't a threat to jets, sadly. Missiles are the same on both versions.

Well it has unlimited missiles and can take much more damage during the vip work.

 

I have had more luck when the jet is coming straight at me ready to strafe the rocket has seemingly gone almost straight up sometimes. But I have gotten circling jets before.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

also i think the poll options are sh*tty to be honest.

 

Yes i think the hydra and lazer are overpowered, but i do not think this can be solved by the implementation of just a few new weapons, let alone this one you propose.

 

edit: if you(or anyone else) wonder(s) what my solution would look like(INB4 i get accused of just criticizing everyone but not coming up with any idea myself, like that would be some sort of sin if that were the case):

 

http://gtaforums.com/topic/868970-how-to-make-freeroam-balanced/

Edited February 7, 2017 by Darth Absentis

[Jenkiiii]

id rather just have my blip not show up.. to jets. That alone would make jets less of a trolls toy.

 

 

Having to go get another jet .. to deal with another jet. Only because that jet is horribly unbalanced due to explosive cannons and always on blips.. Just seems overly complicated in a game like GTA.

 

 

The simple way of doing things always make more sense.. To me anyways.

 

 

Listen to what this guy is saying ^^

Rockstar needs to nerf the jets in one of several ways. Problem solved.

 

I would use my Hydra a lot more if it didn't pose a constant griefing threat to other players. At the moment I stay well clear of most planes in GTA online, instead of just grabbing one and having fun.

[DangerZ0neX]

"git gud"

"I don't suck at the game"

"I don't curl up in a little ball and cry about jet meanies"

"You can choose to whine about what you perceive as a challenger or take matters into your own hands."

"fill out your little petition"

"salty tears"

"I'll just keep toying with jet boys"

You're the most insecure wanna-be I've ever seen on this forum, congratulations, saying the same catchphrases every pre-teen in this game spouts must've fulfilled your fantasies of being treated like a normal functioning adult.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

id rather just have my blip not show up.. to jets. That alone would make jets less of a trolls toy.

 

 

Having to go get another jet .. to deal with another jet. Only because that jet is horribly unbalanced due to explosive cannons and always on blips.. Just seems overly complicated in a game like GTA.

 

 

The simple way of doing things always make more sense.. To me anyways.

 

 

Listen to what this guy is saying ^^

Rockstar needs to nerf the jets in one of several ways. Problem solved.

 

I would use my Hydra a lot more if it didn't pose a constant griefing threat to other players. At the moment I stay well clear of most planes in GTA online, instead of just grabbing one and having fun.

 

Here the opposite, i am using my hydra all the time because it is so overpowered and can do pretty much anything i want it to do, but i would not hate it if suddenly it would only be useful for easy transport and killing NPC's and vehicle drivers.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

id rather just have my blip not show up.. to jets. That alone would make jets less of a trolls toy.

 

 

Having to go get another jet .. to deal with another jet. Only because that jet is horribly unbalanced due to explosive cannons and always on blips.. Just seems overly complicated in a game like GTA.

 

 

The simple way of doing things always make more sense.. To me anyways.

 

 

Listen to what this guy is saying ^^

Rockstar needs to nerf the jets in one of several ways. Problem solved.

 

I would use my Hydra a lot more if it didn't pose a constant griefing threat to other players. At the moment I stay well clear of most planes in GTA online, instead of just grabbing one and having fun.

 

Here the opposite, i am using my hydra all the time because it is so overpowered and can do pretty much anything i want it to do, but i would not hate it if suddenly it would only be useful for easy transport and killing NPC's and vehicle drivers.

 

 

You are out of your mind. Who is paying $3 million for that? The game has been an urban warfare game with escalating weapons since its inception. The Hydra is balanced because it has an egg shell exterior and explodes on contact with pretty much everything, and even use of the explosive rounds requires that you point straight down while traveling at high speeds. If you can't avoid 98% of the jet pilots in the city, you aren't good at the game. Truth is, most just don't want to be bothered. Sounds like a you problem...

Edited February 7, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[.Vooodu.]

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

 

 

Welll.. PFFFFFt

 

I have never ever been killed EVER. By anyone.. or anything.. ever #gitbetterdengud

 

 

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

Oh don't worry I'm pretty sure your idea for solving the Hydra / Lazer griefing issue would be a sight to see. Unless you would also count yourself among the thousands of players who suggested the same thing too.

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

Cool story bro

 

 

Non-fiction.

[.Vooodu.]

. The Hydra is balanced

 

 

 

Haahahahahahah... Sure it is.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

#gitgud Been killed by one jet in the last year (and I am almost exclusively in free mode) and that was because I wasn't paying attention, on me. But that's because I don't suck at the game.

 

 

Welll.. PFFFFFt

 

I have never ever been killed EVER. By anyone.. or anything.. ever #gitbetterdengud

 

 

 

 

ha, ha. Nope. Plenty of better players than me out there, that is for sure. Get my ass handed to me from time to time. Went out with the guy that taught me some of the finer points in the Hydra recently (he taught me a year ago), and he schooled me again. What I don't do is cry about it to Rock Star and in forums. But, I don't like being helpless, maybe that's just me.

 

. The Hydra is balanced

 

 

 

Haahahahahahah... Sure it is.

 

 

Absolutely is. Noticed you cut the rest of my post out, because, well, I raised good points I guess that's what people do these days.

 

While nothing in this game is particularly hard, getting good at the Hydra so that you can kill in the city is the hardest thing to perfect in this game. It's why only about 1-2% of jet griefers are worth a sh*t. But Epileptic tumbling squirrel with his auto aim ain't gonna admit it.

Edited February 7, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[Hazzardtohimself]

"Worms" pondered the 'adding new weapons to counter old weapons' thing too.

This is another idea to add to the pile of how to resolve an issue which isn't an issue for everyone, but that could equally create a need for an anti-anti-stealth homing launcher in the future.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

"Worms" pondered the 'adding new weapons to counter old weapons' thing too.

This is another idea to add to the pile of how to resolve an issue which isn't an issue for everyone, but that could equally create a need for an anti-anti-stealth homing launcher in the future.

 

I would love a ground SAM vehicle. Think it would be fun. It isn't necessary, but I will always take new toys to play with.

[WildBrick142]

tbh there's no need for another jet. I feel that players would abuse the stealth capabilities of the jet for griefing. Even if there are no explosive cannons on it, there are some skilled pilots that can use the missiles without the need for a lock-on.