Pacific Standard Kuruma method patched?

[CarnageRacing00]

 

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I understand why you don't respond to this, because you can't. Lot less words if you would have just come out and said this.

 

 

 

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Edited February 1, 2017 by CarnageRacing00

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

 

What has changed is HOW YOU CAN USE THE PRODUCT.

 

I understand why you don't respond to this, because you can't. Lot less words if you would have just come out and said this.

 

 

You know that thing that you're occasionally asked to Accept before you can continue when loading the game? Try reading it sometime.

 

 

Subject to full compliance with this Agreement, the Company may offer to provide certain products, services, and websites accessed through internet-capable hardware platforms including gaming consoles, personal computers, mobile computers, or smart phones, or in-game applications or software platforms including third-party hosts (collectively the "Online Services"). Online Services shall include, but not be limited to, any service or content the Company provides to you, including any materials displayed or performed. The Company may change, suspend or discontinue the Online Services for any reason, at any time, including the availability of any feature or content. The Company may also impose limits on certain features and services or restrict your access to parts or all of the Online Services without notice or liability.

 

NO REFUND: All purchases of VC and VG are final and under no circumstances will such purchases be refundable, transferable, or exchangeable. Except as prohibited by applicable law, Licensor has the absolute right to manage, regulate, control, modify, suspend, and/or eliminate such VC and/or VG as it sees fit in its sole discretion, and Licensor shall have no liability to you or anyone else for the exercise of such rights.

You agreed to these terms. Sorry bro, you're SOL.

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I already acknowledged this and said I am entitled to nothing. I am making an appeal to fairness, nothing more, nothing less. Edited February 1, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

 

How do you know players weren't supposed to do this in the first place?

 

 

 

Nobody KNOWS, but you can be all but certain that the Kuruma loophole was NOT intended. I mean, dude, it takes away all of the challenge from the mission. OF COURSE it wasn't intended, when has there ever been a case of Rockstar allowing such an easy method to beat what is supposed to be the penultimate mission in one of their games? I'm frankly surprised they allow the Kuruma in Contact Missions. Clearly a mistake they didn't want to make twice, seeing as how the new Special Vehicles are disabled for ANY mission...

Honest questions, was it intended that you use a Kuruma in Hack set up to mow down the enemies before bringing van in? Was it intended that you fly to the Island to get Avi? Aren't these methods way easier? Where is the outrage? Where is the patch?

[CarnageRacing00]

 

Honest questions, was it intended that you use a Kuruma in Hack set up to mow down the enemies before bringing van in? Was it intended that you fly to the Island to get Avi? Aren't these methods way easier? Where is the outrage? Where is the patch?

 

 

What's the highest payout for a set up mission?

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

 

Honest questions, was it intended that you use a Kuruma in Hack set up to mow down the enemies before bringing van in? Was it intended that you fly to the Island to get Avi? Aren't these methods way easier? Where is the outrage? Where is the patch?

 

What's the highest payout for a set up mission?

So that is the answer then. If it involves making real money, no problem with RS sticking it to the player then? Now we are getting somewhere. This has nothing to do with the integrity of the heist/completing it the right way.

[Nyamber]

 

 

Honest questions, was it intended that you use a Kuruma in Hack set up to mow down the enemies before bringing van in? Was it intended that you fly to the Island to get Avi? Aren't these methods way easier? Where is the outrage? Where is the patch?

 

 

What's the highest payout for a set up mission?

 

I thought it was about R* not intending it for "story reasons".

 

Now your saying it's about money? So you admit this was done out of greed and not because "they intended you to use the bikes"?

[Shaytan]

 

 

 

 

How do you know players weren't supposed to do this in the first place?

 

Nobody KNOWS, but you can be all but certain that the Kuruma loophole was NOT intended. I mean, dude, it takes away all of the challenge from the mission. OF COURSE it wasn't intended, when has there ever been a case of Rockstar allowing such an easy method to beat what is supposed to be the penultimate mission in one of their games? I'm frankly surprised they allow the Kuruma in Contact Missions. Clearly a mistake they didn't want to make twice, seeing as how the new Special Vehicles are disabled for ANY mission...

 

Honest questions, was it intended that you use a Kuruma in Hack set up to mow down the enemies before bringing van in? Was it intended that you fly to the Island to get Avi? Aren't these methods way easier? Where is the outrage? Where is the patch?

 

Good arguments, and I admit I slipped there. I believe it's acceptable that it makes the raid incredibly much easier so I assumed it could only mean that it wasn't intended to use. My bad - I indeed cannot say that - however, I can prove why I think it is very likely it wasn't supposed to be used:

• The heists, not only follow a storyline, but also a progress/ dificulty increase: Fleeca is pretty much a tutorial of how to play the heists; you get to play only with another team mate to understand the basics of co-op, how setups interact with each other and how to set up the finale. The following ones, when you play for the first time as hoster, have to be unlocked progressively so you can't just skip to the last [Pac St], and notably have an increasingly higher level of difficulty in terms of PvE, and require more and more team work.
• As I can conclude from my first point, heists have an increase level of difficulty. It's logical that the very last finale, also the one with the biggest prize, has to be the hardest. The Kuruma makes everything incredibly easy,and with no effort the team can get 0 money loss that way. It becomes so easy most of the time only one or 2 of the players do anything at all besides collecting the money - that doesn't sound very challenging, doesn't it?
• People argue (correctly) that there are plenty of other out-of-the-box techniques over the heists that could lead to assume this one was just one more of those - such as using the closest Seasharks to the island and the police helicopter on the Signal setup of Pac St, or a Kuruma to skip the otherwise much more difficult gunfight at the Hack setup of the same heist. However, first of all, that's assuming those aren't glitches either that won't be fixed eventually. Secondly, even if that is not the case (or at least totally - the later I mentioned seems quite game-breaking as well), most of those don't really interfer with the difficulty of the game, I mean, getting the closer Seasharks just save an otherwise bigger and boring trip, while getting the police helicopter doesn't make things that much easier - I actually prefer to simply use the boat instead for less work getting the heli and because it's very easy to do the "obvious way" instead.

   

  On the Pac St finale, the bikes were an essential part of the heist, being set as the escape vehicles and having to be collected in one of the setups just for it. The difference in difficulty of the finale by using the Kuruma instead of the bikes is gigantic.

• The whole way it works is quite glitchy - you can't enter while being looked by the cops, but staying there a little, even though they don't loose sight of you, and you enter the garage (and even call over the teammates that were being chased as well.
• While a lot of people are upset over the fact this was patched with the argument it helped paying the overly expensive content always coming to the game, and otherwise it "promotes the purchase of Shark Cards and thus microtransactions" - name one (good) game you get the whole cheese with no effort (and no cheats). I defend the point expensive items aren't intended as a necessity to enjoy the game, rather a prize you can get for playing it. It's part of the progression feeling of the game, as your fortune and wealth grows, and having that one way to make a lot of money with few effort corroborates that idea.

While I cannot prove indeed that this was not intended to be done, I compiled all these arguments to support it is plausible it was not intended to be done. Feel free to counter-argument them: otherwise there would be no joy or progression on this discussion. Edited February 2, 2017 by Zombified Andy

[CarnageRacing00]

 

 

 

 

Honest questions, was it intended that you use a Kuruma in Hack set up to mow down the enemies before bringing van in? Was it intended that you fly to the Island to get Avi? Aren't these methods way easier? Where is the outrage? Where is the patch?

 

What's the highest payout for a set up mission?

 

I thought it was about R* not intending it for "story reasons".

 

Now your saying it's about money? So you admit this was done out of greed and not because "they intended you to use the bikes"?

Uhhhh... are you mistaking me for someone else?

[FlacidJack]

In the Pac St finale, the bikes were an essential part of the heist, being set as the escape vehicles and having to be collected in one of the setups just for it. The difficulty of the finale by using the Kuruma instead of the bikes is gigantic

As gigantic as the intelligence level of the players smart enough to invest in a viable alternative to a risky plan made solely by an obese cripple.

 

I call that plan A. Plan B was always to follow Lesters instructions... he's as useful as the GPS when it comes to planning heists & setups.

[Shaytan]

 

In the Pac St finale, the bikes were an essential part of the heist, being set as the escape vehicles and having to be collected in one of the setups just for it. The difficulty of the finale by using the Kuruma instead of the bikes is gigantic

As gigantic as the intelligence level of the players smart enough to invest in a viable alternative to a risky plan made solely by an obese cripple.

 

I call that plan A. Plan B was always to follow Lesters instructions... he's as useful as the GPS when it comes to planning heists & setups.

 

Smart enough to learn the trick and copy it as well? Heck, a lot of players more quickly learn this trick than they learn how to get into the garage without being killed by the cops! (not to say understanding that by not killing the hostages they will just make things a lot more easy for them but oh well...).

 

Speaking by myself, it took me a couple tries when I played this finale for the first time to understand the trick. I find a ton of other dumb things with the way Lester has planned this and other heists, but in the end of the day, that doesn't justify something that can cut almost all the difficulty of the finale.

Edited February 2, 2017 by Zombified Andy

[JuniorChubb]

While I cannot prove indeed that this was not intended to be done

Not sure you really need to prove anything Andy as it has already been done in the thread, twice. Each time with examples of correspondence from Rockstar.

 

To add to this, the time taken between the acknowledgement of the issue and the amending of it suggests to me that this fix was not based on lost revenue.

[MysticJon]

 

 

 

 

 

I get the feeling that some sanctimonious people are happy this got patched are trying to somehow justify it with responses that quite frankly don't make a lot of sense.

I don't think it's sanctimonious people, so much as people just using some common sense.

 

I personally am not happy or unhappy with this patch. I'm neutral. I heard it was patched and thought to myself, "Oh, well OK, that makes sense. Don't know why it took R* so long to patch it but whatever" and that was it.

 

I guess if I HAD to pick a side, I'd say that I'm happy with it. Becauae let's face it, despite so many people saying that using the Kuruma is just a smart way to play, and they want to be free to play their way, and they want sandbox gaming, etc. Even with all that, you have to know that using the bikes was the intended way to complete this heist by R*. There's a set-up mission devoted to getting the bikes. The route out of the bank leads you right to them. Lester mentions them multiple times during the escape, including the very end when you have to drive off the cliff and he suggests using a KERS boost to clear the cliff before parachuting (something he says even if you're NOT on a bike). How players chose to play is irrelevant. What IS relevant is how R* intended this mission to be played. Players found an exploit/workaround and so R* patched it. Took them forever but that's also irrelevant. If R* didn't care about players using their Kuruma, they wouldn't have patched it.

 

Players can be happy about it, sad, angry, whatever. But what's done is done and what R* says is what goes. This is their game and they've spoken. You can voice your opinions all you want, but you can't sit there and tell me with a straight face that the Kuruma method is/was an intended way to complete this heist. You just can't. Even a complete idiot would have to have realized that it was unintended and that R* would EVENTUALLY get around to patching it.

 

My reply isn't directed at you by the way. Just quoting you for effect.

Even if that were true, why would it bother you that some aren't doing it the "intended way?" You do know that Lester makes some comment about "however you get there," which could be in reference to the route but also could be in reference to the manner. And of course, the game lets you intentionally blow up the bikes and continue. tt has been pointed out over and over that Sea Do's are made available in he setup Signal, and it is clear that this is the "intended" mode of getting there. Yet I don't hear anyone bitching about people getting eh helicopter. Why? I would really like an answer to this (and not necessarily directed at you, but anyone).

 

\We also disagree as to why Rock Star patched it. They don't care that it is being "exploited" in some nebulous integrity of the heist non-sense (I know you really didn't say this), but rather, to make it more difficult for players to make in game cash. When you consider that, and the fact that they are now limiting player choice, after they took money from players for said items, I have no idea why people are in favor of this unless it just bothers them on some fundamental level that people are doing it this way and making easy money. And this is something I have never understood--I don't care what other people do. I guess I am just different from that crowd.

It doesn't bother me that players aren't doing it the "intended way." What bothers ME is when people try to justify something that they were so very clearly not supposed to be able to do on the first place. Whether it's a heist or a set-up or a mission or whatever. You want to do it your way, fine, I have no problem with that. But just keep your mouth shut and do it your way and leave it at that. Don't try to justify it when you know you aren't supposed to be able to do it in the first place. That's my only point.

 

Also, if I'm being nitpicky, Lester is in fact referring to the route when he says the line you mentioned. He says, and I quote "Stick together or go a different way if you want, but, this'll be the safest route." Very clearly referring to the route specifically and not HOW you get there.

 

How do you know players weren't supposed to do this in the first place? Since they could and it went on for 2 years uncorrected, isn't it equally plausible that Rock Star was okay with it but didn't realize the extent to which it would be used cutting into their profits? I mean, look at all the other set ups where they let you use the Kuruma which makes it easier? Are you saying this wasn't intended?

 

Thanks for the exact quote. I had forgotten that language and it clears it up.

Please tell me why this is a problem but people not using the Sea-Do's in Signal is not, because I never hear anyone bitching about this.

 

I mean, no one KNOWS. Except R* themselves. I'm simply using some common sense and taking an educated guess. I don't think it's much of a stretch. The combination of the Pacific Standard replay and the Kuruma escape is just too efficient of a money maker. That's my guess as to why it was patched. That and Shark Cards, which is also fine by me. If people aren't buying Shark Cards then we're not getting free DLCs. So if that's the reason, I'm still fine with it, as I'm not going to buy a Shark Card regardless.

 

Using the Kuruma on any heist or set-up, in my opinion, is unintended. My guess is that R* only cares about it being used in the PS finale because of the incredible payout, coupled with the reset glitch.

 

But mainly because it allows you to ignore the ENTIRE mechanic of losing money when taking damage. The Kuruma doesn't affect your payout on a set-up mission. You don't lose money from taking damage in set-ups. When it comes to the PS finale, why would they bother introducing a mechanic whereby you lose money when you are damaged, and then also allow a method for beating the heist in which players can completely ignore that mechanic 100% of the time? I'm not trying to be rude here, but people need to open their eyes and just accept this. The whole "Kuruma was always intended" or "Kuruma is just smart play" or similar arguments, they just make no sense on multiple levels. Yet people refuse to admit that.

 

If I don't want to use the boats on PS - Signal, sure it makes the mission easier by using a Kuruma or helicopter, but my payout is the same regardless of how I get it done. If there was some mechanic where, let's just say for example, Avi could be shot and killed, failing the mission of course, then I wouldn't be OK with the alternative methods, because it'd be more like an exploit to avoid an entire game mechanic, which is how I view the Kuruma in the PS finale.

 

Again, not directed at you specifically. Just giving my 2 cents.

Edited February 2, 2017 by MysticJon

[CarnageRacing00]

 

While I cannot prove indeed that this was not intended to be done

Not sure you really need to prove anything Andy as it has already been done in the thread, twice. Each time with examples of correspondence from Rockstar.

 

To add to this, the time taken between the acknowledgement of the issue and the amending of it suggests to me that this fix was not based on lost revenue.

 

 

It's pretty clear to me that Rockstar did it so that players would do more CEO stuff instead of just spamming heists. I mean, even I partook in spamming PacStan finale to earn a couple million so I could buy the Rocket Voltic... when I really should have been importing and exporting cars to get that money.

[OfficialTwiggz]

I'm just utterly surprised the mods have let this thread continue. It's done and over with, and nobody is entitled to anything.

 

You know how much code goes into this game? I'm sure they let it slide for two years because the code was interfering with something else. They figured out how to change it.

 

Use the heist how it's intended, find another loophole or don't play it. For f*cks sake.

[JuniorChubb]

 

 

While I cannot prove indeed that this was not intended to be done

Not sure you really need to prove anything Andy as it has already been done in the thread, twice. Each time with examples of correspondence from Rockstar.

 

To add to this, the time taken between the acknowledgement of the issue and the amending of it suggests to me that this fix was not based on lost revenue.

 

It's pretty clear to me that Rockstar did it so that players would do more CEO stuff instead of just spamming heists. I mean, even I partook in spamming PacStan finale to earn a couple million so I could buy the Rocket Voltic... when I really should have been importing and exporting cars to get that money.

 

Possibly... some of that CEO is so dull it could do with a boost. CEO Imp/Exp on the other hand I really enjoy, I don't even sell the cars I just like going to collect them.

 

Personally I am not sure if there is an ulterior motive too just fixing something that was not working as intended.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

 

While I cannot prove indeed that this was not intended to be done

Not sure you really need to prove anything Andy as it has already been done in the thread, twice. Each time with examples of correspondence from Rockstar.

 

To add to this, the time taken between the acknowledgement of the issue and the amending of it suggests to me that this fix was not based on lost revenue.

It's pretty clear to me that Rockstar did it so that players would do more CEO stuff instead of just spamming heists. I mean, even I partook in spamming PacStan finale to earn a couple million so I could buy the Rocket Voltic... when I really should have been importing and exporting cars to get that money.

Possibly... some of that CEO is so dull it could do with a boost. CEO Imp/Exp on the other hand I really enjoy, I don't even sell the cars I just like going to collect them.

 

Personally I am not sure if there is an ulterior motive too just fixing something that was not working as intended.

I love how people just keep repeating "not working as intended" as if they were on the programming team and they know. Edited February 2, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[Shaytan]

I love how people just keep repeating "not working as intended" as if they were on the programming team and they know.

You came late for the party, we've already passed that phase. Perhaps you should go back and read the whole post of mine that quote was taken from, where I explain I was actually wrong in assuming something, and instead try to prove why it makes sense to believe it's wasn't intended to work like that.

[FlacidJack]

 

 

In the Pac St finale, the bikes were an essential part of the heist, being set as the escape vehicles and having to be collected in one of the setups just for it. The difficulty of the finale by using the Kuruma instead of the bikes is gigantic

As gigantic as the intelligence level of the players smart enough to invest in a viable alternative to a risky plan made solely by an obese cripple.I call that plan A. Plan B was always to follow Lesters instructions... he's as useful as the GPS when it comes to planning heists & setups.

Smart enough to learn the trick and copy it as well? Heck, a lot of players more quickly learn this trick than they learn how to get into the garage without being killed by the cops! (not to say understanding that by not killing the hostages they will just make things a lot more easy for them but oh well...).Speaking by myself, it took me a couple tries when I played this finale for the first time to understand the trick. I find a ton of other dumb things with the way Lester has planned this and other heists, but in the end of the day, that doesn't justify something that can cut almost all the difficulty of the finale.with that logic I don't see the armored SWAT trucks parked on the street lasting much longer. The Kuruma doesn't stop every bullet like the back of that truck so now it's not even a matter of sitting back and watching a skilled driver take us to the boat in style, now we can simply mount up and plow down the coast skipping all the (intentional) waypoints, no bikes, no cliff, no need for Lester to bla bla bla.

 

Just saying, that heist may need much more work before the only way to escape is the bikes. Would it really be the intentional way after this long?

Don't get me wrong. I love biking and skydiving in GTAO, sometimes I think PS is like a heist made just for me IMO but that doesn't mean everyone should have to do it my way, or your way, or R*s way. That's the beauty of this game isn't it?

 

 

I'm sure what you just read changed your mind. You don't need to admit it though

 

[We Are Ninja]

This is glorious.

[OfficialTwiggz]

 

This is glorious.

We need more gifs like this please lol. The only good thing to come out of this thread.

[Alinea]

I'm just utterly surprised the mods have let this thread continue. It's done and over with, and nobody is entitled to anything.

 

You know how much code goes into this game? I'm sure they let it slide for two years because the code was interfering with something else. They figured out how to change it.

 

Use the heist how it's intended, find another loophole or don't play it. For f*cks sake.

or you could just... ignore the thread... just saying...

[OfficialTwiggz]

 

 

I'm just utterly surprised the mods have let this thread continue. It's done and over with, and nobody is entitled to anything.

 

You know how much code goes into this game? I'm sure they let it slide for two years because the code was interfering with something else. They figured out how to change it.

 

Use the heist how it's intended, find another loophole or don't play it. For f*cks sake.

or you could just... ignore the thread... just saying...

Exasperated guy needs to be heard. He thinks his fake objection makes him sound like the voice of reason.And your voice is any louder than mine, how?

 

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Edited February 2, 2017 by OfficialTwiggz

[RedDagger]

Please don't go into a thread on a forum, complain that people are discussing (how very dare they), then tell someone to "f*ck off".

 

You don't think a thread is necessary, report it, and move on.

[FlacidJack]

 

No worries. No one noticed how awkward it just got in here.

[KornbreadMaf1a]

 

 

 

 

After looping this off and on for years, and banking big bucks, the patching of this really won't effect me. It's ironic, but my group was just saying last night, let's do this with the bikes, it's become too boring with the Kuruma.

 

But this is my fairness problem with it: Rock Star prices the in game stuff at a certain price. Decisions to buy or not buy something include many variables, one of which is the usefulness of an item. Me, I personally purchased a number of Kurumas (in case one gets blown up it's nice to have a back up) and that apartment BECAUSE this was permitted (and for all the people saying, this wasn't what Rock Star intended, you are supposed to ride the bikes, you are missing the point. Rock Star allowed you to do it. By closing off access to the garages now, Rock Star is proving they could have done this when the Heists launched. They chose not to). So the unfairness comes in charging you X amount of dollars for items based on what you believed you could use them for--after spending said money, they alter the use of those items.

 

I guess Rock Star will offer us a full refund for the Kuruma and that apartment building. If someone could kindly point in the direction to claim this full refund, I would appreciate it.

C'mon man. You almost certainly made that money back many times over, if you've played the heist enough to get bored with the method. That apartment is dirt cheap and the Kuruma doesn't cost that much either. And if you bought "a number" of them, that's just you pissing away money, which isn't Rockstar's fault. You only ever needed to remember to call Mors Mutual. Worst case scenario, you buy two (one as a backup) and leave it at that. But even if you filled that entire garage with six Kurumas, I'm guessing your easy profits and perfect takes made up the difference. You're gonna be fine. The car itself is still immensely useful in other heists and setup missions, almost all contact missions, and even free roam (unless you come near me - then your ass is going to explode, but that's another story).

 

Let me give you another example to underscore my point (sort of based on real life events with your response worked in there): Let's say you bought a PS3 because one of the biggest selling features is that it was backwards compatible with the PS2. You play the sh*t out of PS2 games for about 3 years. Soon we find out that the PS3 is having some overheating issues, and Sony tells you that one of the problems is that it is overheating because of the backwards compatibility issue (this is what they eventually told me). They start making new machines that are no longer backwards compatible. When my machine breaks, I send it back in, and they send me a new machine that isn't backwards compatible. I complain, telling them that I bought this is large part because it was backwards compatible, playing those games a ton. Their response is, "comon man, you got your moneys worth." Make you feel better? Sound like a good response to you?

This is where you are wrong.

 

*You bought said system. System overheats.

*They say it's because of backwards compatibily.

*They replace your system (for free I presume)

*With non backwards compatible system.

 

You're too dense to realize that they're not going to keep on giving you a system that is backwards compatible, because every other week or month, you're going to run into the same issue over and over again. They pay for postage (I presume again), and you pay nothing.

 

Buy a cheap PS2 and play your games on that, or upgrade.

I bought a PS2 and 11 games for $35 a few months ago.

 

ANYWAY, we're getting off topic.

 

Nobody forced you to pay for the apartment. Nobody forced you to buy one, let alone six kurumas. That was your doing. You are not owed anything in return. This method is patched (for the time being) because it is not how Rockstar intended you to complete the heist. Point blank.

 

What would have been funny is if you got all the way to the jump point near the military base with the kuruma and it told you to collect the bikes with two minutes left.

 

You are calling people names and you don't have all the facts. It was a $100 to get the "new system." My research revealed that Sony went cheap on the fan to save money, because, well, systems are typically sold as a loss with money made up on the games. This is one of the many reasons you don't want to start with name calling.

 

Whether forced to buy these things or not (of course I wasn't), is another red herring. Based on usability information, I bought a Kuruma. After taking my full money, they alter said usability because it benefits them. It is materially unfair to alter the use of an item after the consumer has purchased said item. I am struggling to understand why you are having such a hard time following along.

 

You ALSO have no idea why it was patched (since I assume you are not a Rock Star employee or at their meetings). It is equally plausible that Rock Star left it in there thinking it would never be used to such an extent that it would cut into their profits. They then altered it to increase Shark Card sales. I am NOT saying this is why, just that if we are going with speculation, then I will suggest this possibility.

 

You wouldn't want mid=-term grades for your post, but here they are anyway....F.

The big problem with your point is it's based off your personal assumption of what said items could do. R* didn't change anything about the car or the apartment so your argument is mute.

 

Your issue with the PlayStation is in no way relatable because you are comparing an advertised feature of the PlayStation 2 with your assumption of the value of a virtual item.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ Rockstar_fanboy... Embarrassing, just embarrassing!... Are you .Vooodu in disguise? A deliberately antagonistic prick now! Completely deluded.

 

@ Giantsgiants... Oh yes it is, no, wait, your right... To have to go back to use an exploit to cheat an easy win is even lower. No excuses for that kind of weakness i'm afraid...

[FaultyDroid]

I'm just utterly surprised the mods have let this thread continue. It's done and over with, and nobody is entitled to anything.

 

You know how much code goes into this game? I'm sure they let it slide for two years because the code was interfering with something else. They figured out how to change it.

 

Use the heist how it's intended, find another loophole or don't play it. For f*cks sake.

I know this thread is like a car crash. It's dead, theres nothing to see, but as you drive past you cant help looking to see how bad it is.

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

 

 

How do you know players weren't supposed to do this in the first place?

 

 

 

Nobody KNOWS, but you can be all but certain that the Kuruma loophole was NOT intended. I mean, dude, it takes away all of the challenge from the mission. OF COURSE it wasn't intended, when has there ever been a case of Rockstar allowing such an easy method to beat what is supposed to be the penultimate mission in one of their games? I'm frankly surprised they allow the Kuruma in Contact Missions. Clearly a mistake they didn't want to make twice, seeing as how the new Special Vehicles are disabled for ANY mission...

 

 

 

 

Also, the FACT that when Heists first dropped you were able to enter your garage. The thing with your PV was once outside, nobody could get in your vehicle. You had to get everybody in your garage to all get in at once. However, that CHANGED to let your teammates in, regardless. No "oversight" is fixed in a way that makes things easier for the player, if it was not supposed to be possible IN THE FIRST PLACE!

This. Why do some people still call this an exploit or glitch? We all know that when Rockstar can't fix a glitch properly, they do whatever it takes to fix it, even if it's going to have other consequences. Apparently this is just a consequence of the fact that Rockstar can't fix the repeat exploit. Not allowing the access to our garages doesn't fix that exploit, but it's clearly a response to it.

 

As much as i like this change, one can simply not be sure if this was ever an intended tactic or not, let alone that this thing happening is for sure intended or was just an accidental removal.

 

Sure one could say this kuruma tactic always was intended, but the counter argument for that is that it is now not possible anymore, meaning it was likely patched and that getting into the garage often times did simply not work and that nowhere in the game or even on rockstar part, it was ever mentioned to be an easter egg or legit tactic.

 

sure one could say this kuruma tactic was not intended, but then again it was easy to do, didn't require some fishy sh*t like a wall breach or equiping something special that made no logic or something like that, one just had to enter the garage and drive a kuruma out of it, and rockstar never ever called this trick a glitch.

 

same for saying this removal was unintentional or unintentional, or what were the reasons for the removal if indeed intentional, there is simply no single proof to support any of those theories, all we know is that currently the tactic is not possible anymore.

 

Though i personally still would say that this removal was intentional and that it mainly was because of cash cards, simply because rockstar cares a lot about their sales and this was becoming a really widely known trick, there is no single clue that my theory is a fact.

 

I think some people talking in this thread should go back to elementary school to learn the difference between facts and opinions and theories.....but hey, that is just my opinion

 

I'm just utterly surprised the mods have let this thread continue. It's done and over with, and nobody is entitled to anything.

 

You know how much code goes into this game? I'm sure they let it slide for two years because the code was interfering with something else. They figured out how to change it.

 

Use the heist how it's intended, find another loophole or don't play it. For f*cks sake.

I know this thread is like a car crash. It's dead, theres nothing to see, but as you drive past you cant help looking to see how bad it is.

 

my guess is they just keep this thread open to avoid duplicate threads since it will probably be a few months before word will spread to most parts of the GTAO community.

[elfoam]

Btw the close app final repeat still works, just the timing has changed.

[x_TestsubjecT_x]

 

 

 

 

Helisexuality

 

I've been wondering while reading this thread that no one seems to be mentioning the heli option.

 

We've used it successfully quite a few times now. I'd be happy to throw out the details if anyone is interested.

 

 

Because it needs some thinking alas it's not straightforward like kuruma and basically impossible with randoms

 

 

 

Na I wouldn't quite go that far. Yes there is a bit more fighting with the cops but its pretty straight forward I would say. You do have me on the randoms for the most part though lol... Communication can get around that more often than not. I have been pretty fortunate with regular players so I have been able to avoid randoms almost entirely. Obviously I tend to take that for granted I guess.

 

 

 

Edit: Grrrr I'm still doing something wrong with that spoiler thing.

Edited February 2, 2017 by x_TestsubjecT_x