Pacific Standard Kuruma method patched?

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

 

After looping this off and on for years, and banking big bucks, the patching of this really won't effect me. It's ironic, but my group was just saying last night, let's do this with the bikes, it's become too boring with the Kuruma.

 

But this is my fairness problem with it: Rock Star prices the in game stuff at a certain price. Decisions to buy or not buy something include many variables, one of which is the usefulness of an item. Me, I personally purchased a number of Kurumas (in case one gets blown up it's nice to have a back up) and that apartment BECAUSE this was permitted (and for all the people saying, this wasn't what Rock Star intended, you are supposed to ride the bikes, you are missing the point. Rock Star allowed you to do it. By closing off access to the garages now, Rock Star is proving they could have done this when the Heists launched. They chose not to). So the unfairness comes in charging you X amount of dollars for items based on what you believed you could use them for--after spending said money, they alter the use of those items.

 

I guess Rock Star will offer us a full refund for the Kuruma and that apartment building. If someone could kindly point in the direction to claim this full refund, I would appreciate it.

C'mon man. You almost certainly made that money back many times over, if you've played the heist enough to get bored with the method. That apartment is dirt cheap and the Kuruma doesn't cost that much either. And if you bought "a number" of them, that's just you pissing away money, which isn't Rockstar's fault. You only ever needed to remember to call Mors Mutual. Worst case scenario, you buy two (one as a backup) and leave it at that. But even if you filled that entire garage with six Kurumas, I'm guessing your easy profits and perfect takes made up the difference. You're gonna be fine. The car itself is still immensely useful in other heists and setup missions, almost all contact missions, and even free roam (unless you come near me - then your ass is going to explode, but that's another story).

 

Let me give you another example to underscore my point (sort of based on real life events with your response worked in there): Let's say you bought a PS3 because one of the biggest selling features is that it was backwards compatible with the PS2. You play the sh*t out of PS2 games for about 3 years. Soon we find out that the PS3 is having some overheating issues, and Sony tells you that one of the problems is that it is overheating because of the backwards compatibility issue (this is what they eventually told me). They start making new machines that are no longer backwards compatible. When my machine breaks, I send it back in, and they send me a new machine that isn't backwards compatible. I complain, telling them that I bought this is large part because it was backwards compatible, playing those games a ton. Their response is, "comon man, you got your moneys worth." Make you feel better? Sound like a good response to you?

This is where you are wrong.

 

*You bought said system. System overheats.

*They say it's because of backwards compatibily.

*They replace your system (for free I presume)

*With non backwards compatible system.

 

You're too dense to realize that they're not going to keep on giving you a system that is backwards compatible, because every other week or month, you're going to run into the same issue over and over again. They pay for postage (I presume again), and you pay nothing.

 

Buy a cheap PS2 and play your games on that, or upgrade.

I bought a PS2 and 11 games for $35 a few months ago.

 

ANYWAY, we're getting off topic.

 

Nobody forced you to pay for the apartment. Nobody forced you to buy one, let alone six kurumas. That was your doing. You are not owed anything in return. This method is patched (for the time being) because it is not how Rockstar intended you to complete the heist. Point blank.

 

What would have been funny is if you got all the way to the jump point near the military base with the kuruma and it told you to collect the bikes with two minutes left.

 

 

You are calling people names and you don't have all the facts. It was a $100 to get the "new system." My research revealed that Sony went cheap on the fan to save money, because, well, systems are typically sold as a loss with money made up on the games. This is one of the many reasons you don't want to start with name calling.

 

Whether forced to buy these things or not (of course I wasn't), is another red herring. Based on usability information, I bought a Kuruma. After taking my full money, they alter said usability because it benefits them. It is materially unfair to alter the use of an item after the consumer has purchased said item. I am struggling to understand why you are having such a hard time following along.

 

You ALSO have no idea why it was patched (since I assume you are not a Rock Star employee or at their meetings). It is equally plausible that Rock Star left it in there thinking it would never be used to such an extent that it would cut into their profits. They then altered it to increase Shark Card sales. I am NOT saying this is why, just that if we are going with speculation, then I will suggest this possibility.

 

You wouldn't want mid=-term grades for your post, but here they are anyway....F.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[Barcode Gaming]

‪I stand corrected, the closing app glitch still works, my friends are idiot noobs, my apologies.

3 of my friends tried and lost their finales, 1 other friend just tried and kept it...

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

i think its pretty obvious why they waited until now, ok the kuruma method was a cheap shot they let slide, i guess they knew they could just turn off pv in heists from turnables anytime, but there was no pressure. However now people are combining that with the replay glitch.. people were making 3-4 million a day 70% cut alternating (this every 15mins http://imagizer.imageshack.us/a/img922/551/22JSsd.jpg)thats taking the piss, if u are just using kuruma then at least you have to wait ~40-50 minutes between finals to do all the setups. Now you can just replay over and over and make bank. Why would i ever consider a shark card? i expect this pushed them to take action. the change has now f*cked up match making as now im only getting noobs and no experienced players. alot of my friends stopped playing altogether or already made enough money to stop heisting.

But, r* dont seem to have a fix for the replay method, so i still made 3m saturday with the police car. Its a kick in the balls, definately made life harder, but hasnt stopped ppl who are determined. I guess they had to do something. its sucked the fun out for me because its an inconvenience and pac stan is no longer the fun version i was used to with all the different methods, routes and crazy jumps in the car.

as for 3 ppl sitting doing nothing, using the police car 3 ppl are still idle.

Next they could patch the heli on the avi mission (funny enough i was thinking about that and then when we got avi and went to the chopper, he took off in the boat alone!? 5 minns of chasing the ai to hijack the boat back lol.). or they could prevent ceo jobs in a solo session, then we're f*cked.

and for the ppl who said it should be disalowed because clearly you're not supposed to, the same goes for the heli on avi. it says get to the sea sharks and theres always 1 noob waiting on them while we clear the island and ignore the message. or clearing the compound on hack before the vans there, so what. and no i dont have a work ethic haha wtf, i dont wont be that sucker, i will always cut corners. just here for quick money so i can buy all the sh*t and f*ck off.

so, this is a big deterrent in theory, its f*cked alot of the fun by forcing you to use an already available method, and for what? a couple extra minutes to finish, and a 1-200k loss per session. You can STILL replay it. so for those who know what to do, it now seems a petty move from r*. but they did get what they wanted.

 

The issue really is being able to close the ap and redo the finale. Yes, the Kuruma makes it easier, but if you are focusing on the damage done making big money on this Heist, you are looking in the wrong place.

[Receptor]

yep, its not a direct fix, but i reckon its the closest they could get to create a hurdle. its certainly had an impact on efficiency, replay glitch was a breeze with kuruma but now we actually have work to get the noobs to the boat alive. even in a swat van this guy without a vest kept dieing when we were at the boat or getting shot in the police car, or falling off bike and getting wasted :<

 

kuruma and no replay = easy money but limited to once an hour (where we were until 2014-2016)
kuruma and replay = easy money every 15 minutes, even with low level noobs who can obey simple instructions. (where we were later 2016)
no kuruma and replay = limited money with more effort every 15, with a gd team (where we are now)
no kuruma and no replay = limited money once and hour with a gd team (where they want us)

Edited January 30, 2017 by Receptor

[OfficialTwiggz]

 

You are calling people names and you don't have all the facts. It was a $100 to get the "new system." My research revealed that Sony went cheap on the fan to save money, because, well, systems are typically sold as a loss with money made up on the games. This is one of the many reasons you don't want to start with name calling.

 

Whether forced to buy these things or not (of course I wasn't), is another red herring. Based on usability information, I bought a Kuruma. After taking my full money, they alter said usability because it benefits them. It is materially unfair to alter the use of an item after the consumer has purchased said item. I am struggling to understand why you are having such a hard time following along.

 

You ALSO have no idea why it was patched (since I assume you are not a Rock Star employee or at their meetings). It is equally plausible that Rock Star left it in there thinking it would never be used to such an extent that it would cut into their profits. They then altered it to increase Shark Card sales. I am NOT saying this is why, just that if we are going with speculation, then I will suggest this possibility.

 

You wouldn't want mid=-term grades for your post, but here they are anyway....F.

Name calling? Jesus, you're sensitive. I haven't called you a single word. Maybe dense, but you're upset over that? Also, you should have listed all the facts since I seemed to have missed some.

 

So, what you're saying, you sent in your defective console to be looked at. And after everything was said and done, they said 'Well, we can't give you the BC console, BUT you can get a new one for $100? If not, then we're keeping your broken console?" Sounds like you shouldn't have done business with Sony again if that's the case, IJS.

 

And you had bought said house. Congratulations. Cool. But since it doesn't benefit you any more, you can trade it in for a better (or not so better) pad like everyone else. I have a house on the hills, because it's a mile down the road to a tattoo shop. It's convenient for me. But I don't want it any more because they moved the tattoo shop six miles away. I demand a new house. You see what I'm saying?

 

Also, I assume you're not a Rockstar Employee either, nor a fan boy if you fail to realize that Rockstar is a BUSINESS. They have families to pay. Working day in and day out. Notice how Rockstars last game was back in 2013? Around 3 years and 4 months ago? Notice how you didn't pay for ANY DLC within those three years and four months? What do you think still pays those employees? Be grateful we still have a game to play.

 

f*ck if I were Rockstar, I'd sell my business because half of you guys are cocks. Now that's name calling.

 

All in all; IT'S PATCHED. Nothing you nor I nor anybody here can do about it. Actually two things.

 

1. Find another method.

2. Play it how it was intended.

[SaltyGTAFMember]

 

 

 

 

After looping this off and on for years, and banking big bucks, the patching of this really won't effect me. It's ironic, but my group was just saying last night, let's do this with the bikes, it's become too boring with the Kuruma.

 

But this is my fairness problem with it: Rock Star prices the in game stuff at a certain price. Decisions to buy or not buy something include many variables, one of which is the usefulness of an item. Me, I personally purchased a number of Kurumas (in case one gets blown up it's nice to have a back up) and that apartment BECAUSE this was permitted (and for all the people saying, this wasn't what Rock Star intended, you are supposed to ride the bikes, you are missing the point. Rock Star allowed you to do it. By closing off access to the garages now, Rock Star is proving they could have done this when the Heists launched. They chose not to). So the unfairness comes in charging you X amount of dollars for items based on what you believed you could use them for--after spending said money, they alter the use of those items.

 

I guess Rock Star will offer us a full refund for the Kuruma and that apartment building. If someone could kindly point in the direction to claim this full refund, I would appreciate it.

C'mon man. You almost certainly made that money back many times over, if you've played the heist enough to get bored with the method. That apartment is dirt cheap and the Kuruma doesn't cost that much either. And if you bought "a number" of them, that's just you pissing away money, which isn't Rockstar's fault. You only ever needed to remember to call Mors Mutual. Worst case scenario, you buy two (one as a backup) and leave it at that. But even if you filled that entire garage with six Kurumas, I'm guessing your easy profits and perfect takes made up the difference. You're gonna be fine. The car itself is still immensely useful in other heists and setup missions, almost all contact missions, and even free roam (unless you come near me - then your ass is going to explode, but that's another story).

 

Let me give you another example to underscore my point (sort of based on real life events with your response worked in there): Let's say you bought a PS3 because one of the biggest selling features is that it was backwards compatible with the PS2. You play the sh*t out of PS2 games for about 3 years. Soon we find out that the PS3 is having some overheating issues, and Sony tells you that one of the problems is that it is overheating because of the backwards compatibility issue (this is what they eventually told me). They start making new machines that are no longer backwards compatible. When my machine breaks, I send it back in, and they send me a new machine that isn't backwards compatible. I complain, telling them that I bought this is large part because it was backwards compatible, playing those games a ton. Their response is, "comon man, you got your moneys worth." Make you feel better? Sound like a good response to you?

This is where you are wrong.

 

*You bought said system. System overheats.

*They say it's because of backwards compatibily.

*They replace your system (for free I presume)

*With non backwards compatible system.

 

You're too dense to realize that they're not going to keep on giving you a system that is backwards compatible, because every other week or month, you're going to run into the same issue over and over again. They pay for postage (I presume again), and you pay nothing.

 

Buy a cheap PS2 and play your games on that, or upgrade.

I bought a PS2 and 11 games for $35 a few months ago.

 

ANYWAY, we're getting off topic.

 

Nobody forced you to pay for the apartment. Nobody forced you to buy one, let alone six kurumas. That was your doing. You are not owed anything in return. This method is patched (for the time being) because it is not how Rockstar intended you to complete the heist. Point blank.

 

What would have been funny is if you got all the way to the jump point near the military base with the kuruma and it told you to collect the bikes with two minutes left.

 

 

You are calling people names and you don't have all the facts. It was a $100 to get the "new system." My research revealed that Sony went cheap on the fan to save money, because, well, systems are typically sold as a loss with money made up on the games. This is one of the many reasons you don't want to start with name calling.

 

Whether forced to buy these things or not (of course I wasn't), is another red herring. Based on usability information, I bought a Kuruma. After taking my full money, they alter said usability because it benefits them. It is materially unfair to alter the use of an item after the consumer has purchased said item. I am struggling to understand why you are having such a hard time following along.

 

You ALSO have no idea why it was patched (since I assume you are not a Rock Star employee or at their meetings). It is equally plausible that Rock Star left it in there thinking it would never be used to such an extent that it would cut into their profits. They then altered it to increase Shark Card sales. I am NOT saying this is why, just that if we are going with speculation, then I will suggest this possibility.

 

You wouldn't want mid=-term grades for your post, but here they are anyway....F.

 

The only time altered something beyond useless after people brought it and was unjustified was the tank.

They should have given them a full refund.

 

Now you have to use relating examples to what your trying to prove instead of bias claims.

 

You brought a google watch to cheat on a test-

Teacher didn't catch you until mid terms-

Teacher takes the watch and you will have to do the test on your own.

 

It is what your trying to say?

By that logic your lucky you didn't get money wiped for it/ suspend from school.

 

This thread is pure bitch and moan.....the mods allowing it is pure abuse of their power yet again.

[FlacidJack]

yep, its not a direct fix, but i reckon its the closest they could get to create a hurdle. its certainly had an impact on efficiency, replay glitch was a breeze with kuruma but now we actually have work to get the noobs to the boat alive. even in a swat van this guy without a vest kept dieing when we were at the boat or getting shot in the police car, or falling off bike and getting wasted :<

 

kuruma and no replay = easy money but limited to once an hour (where we were until 2014-2016)

kuruma and replay = easy money every 15 minutes, even with low level noobs who can obey simple instructions. (where we were later 2016)

no kuruma and replay = limited money with more effort every 15, with a gd team (where we are now)

no kuruma and no replay = limited money once and hour with a gd team (where they want us)

getting the Kuruma took more time than using the bikes so a good team can potentially make more using the bikes. The day after the Kuruma was patched was more profitable than most days for me since everyone wanted to try it out for themselves. When I played it with friends and we got used to it we we're finishing the heist faster so we were actually making more money even if we lost a bit along the way. I find people are really good at this one heist so the patch isn't doing what R* intended, now more people are playing it IMO, not less.

 

Since it's been patched I find it more of a challenge, more fun and I've made about 3-4 million without even noticing it. The best way to complete any heist is with a smile and I'm getting my fair share of laughs at all this BS (yea that's cheesy AF I know).

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

You are calling people names and you don't have all the facts. It was a $100 to get the "new system." My research revealed that Sony went cheap on the fan to save money, because, well, systems are typically sold as a loss with money made up on the games. This is one of the many reasons you don't want to start with name calling.

 

Whether forced to buy these things or not (of course I wasn't), is another red herring. Based on usability information, I bought a Kuruma. After taking my full money, they alter said usability because it benefits them. It is materially unfair to alter the use of an item after the consumer has purchased said item. I am struggling to understand why you are having such a hard time following along.

 

You ALSO have no idea why it was patched (since I assume you are not a Rock Star employee or at their meetings). It is equally plausible that Rock Star left it in there thinking it would never be used to such an extent that it would cut into their profits. They then altered it to increase Shark Card sales. I am NOT saying this is why, just that if we are going with speculation, then I will suggest this possibility.

 

You wouldn't want mid=-term grades for your post, but here they are anyway....F.

Name calling? Jesus, you're sensitive. I haven't called you a single word. Maybe dense, but you're upset over that? Also, you should have listed all the facts since I seemed to have missed some.

 

So, what you're saying, you sent in your defective console to be looked at. And after everything was said and done, they said 'Well, we can't give you the BC console, BUT you can get a new one for $100? If not, then we're keeping your broken console?" Sounds like you shouldn't have done business with Sony again if that's the case, IJS.

 

And you had bought said house. Congratulations. Cool. But since it doesn't benefit you any more, you can trade it in for a better (or not so better) pad like everyone else. I have a house on the hills, because it's a mile down the road to a tattoo shop. It's convenient for me. But I don't want it any more because they moved the tattoo shop six miles away. I demand a new house. You see what I'm saying?

 

Also, I assume you're not a Rockstar Employee either, nor a fan boy if you fail to realize that Rockstar is a BUSINESS. They have families to pay. Working day in and day out. Notice how Rockstars last game was back in 2013? Around 3 years and 4 months ago? Notice how you didn't pay for ANY DLC within those three years and four months? What do you think still pays those employees? Be grateful we still have a game to play.

 

f*ck if I were Rockstar, I'd sell my business because half of you guys are cocks. Now that's name calling.

 

All in all; IT'S PATCHED. Nothing you nor I nor anybody here can do about it. Actually two things.

 

1. Find another method.

2. Play it how it was intended.

 

 

I actually prefer doing it with the bikes and enjoy it more this way. It still doesn't change the fact that it is wrong to sell you something that could be used in a certain fashion, then alter the usefulness of the item after the consumer has bought it because it suits you to do so.

 

I know that they are a business. But just because you are a business, doesn't mean everything is fair as long as it generates a profit for you. This is an example of one such instance. And you really aren't crying poor Rock Star, are you? They made a billion dollars the first weekend (most people can't even comprehend how much money that is) and $500 million just on Shark Card sales as of about a year and some change ago. This is NOT all the money they made on this game (I am guessing with PC sales and other sales after opening weekend, they are close to $2 billion or more!!). I know they had to recoop some massive expenses, but the company and their employees aren't living on the streets in card board boxes.

 

I love this game, it's probably my favorite game of all time. It isn't perfect. I bought two copies of this game and 4 shark cards early in my playing days, mostly as gratitude for what I have gotten out of this game. This move stinks for the reasons I said (personally, I am glad they patched, not because I like less choices, but it forced me to play it a different way I otherwise would not have. But I still think it is wrong for the reasons I said). I felt the same way about the nerfing of the tank and told others the same thing when that happened.

 

Oh, and the "way it was supposed to be played" has been debunked many times throughout this thread, not sure why people keep repeating it. The game will let me steal a cop car and finish it. Or a noose truck. The fact that you can blow up the bikes and continue tells you that Rock Star envisioned other ways to finish this. You can complete this on more than one route. So no, that isn't correct.

 

Don't call people over the internet you don't know, and consequentially know very little about "dense." Name calling is the last bastion of a man with no ideas. If you think his point is lacking, lay out your position. Attack his argument, not the person personally. Sensitivity has nothing to do with it--it's just rude.

 

 

 

 

 

After looping this off and on for years, and banking big bucks, the patching of this really won't effect me. It's ironic, but my group was just saying last night, let's do this with the bikes, it's become too boring with the Kuruma.

 

But this is my fairness problem with it: Rock Star prices the in game stuff at a certain price. Decisions to buy or not buy something include many variables, one of which is the usefulness of an item. Me, I personally purchased a number of Kurumas (in case one gets blown up it's nice to have a back up) and that apartment BECAUSE this was permitted (and for all the people saying, this wasn't what Rock Star intended, you are supposed to ride the bikes, you are missing the point. Rock Star allowed you to do it. By closing off access to the garages now, Rock Star is proving they could have done this when the Heists launched. They chose not to). So the unfairness comes in charging you X amount of dollars for items based on what you believed you could use them for--after spending said money, they alter the use of those items.

 

I guess Rock Star will offer us a full refund for the Kuruma and that apartment building. If someone could kindly point in the direction to claim this full refund, I would appreciate it.

C'mon man. You almost certainly made that money back many times over, if you've played the heist enough to get bored with the method. That apartment is dirt cheap and the Kuruma doesn't cost that much either. And if you bought "a number" of them, that's just you pissing away money, which isn't Rockstar's fault. You only ever needed to remember to call Mors Mutual. Worst case scenario, you buy two (one as a backup) and leave it at that. But even if you filled that entire garage with six Kurumas, I'm guessing your easy profits and perfect takes made up the difference. You're gonna be fine. The car itself is still immensely useful in other heists and setup missions, almost all contact missions, and even free roam (unless you come near me - then your ass is going to explode, but that's another story).

 

Let me give you another example to underscore my point (sort of based on real life events with your response worked in there): Let's say you bought a PS3 because one of the biggest selling features is that it was backwards compatible with the PS2. You play the sh*t out of PS2 games for about 3 years. Soon we find out that the PS3 is having some overheating issues, and Sony tells you that one of the problems is that it is overheating because of the backwards compatibility issue (this is what they eventually told me). They start making new machines that are no longer backwards compatible. When my machine breaks, I send it back in, and they send me a new machine that isn't backwards compatible. I complain, telling them that I bought this is large part because it was backwards compatible, playing those games a ton. Their response is, "comon man, you got your moneys worth." Make you feel better? Sound like a good response to you?

This is where you are wrong.

 

*You bought said system. System overheats.

*They say it's because of backwards compatibily.

*They replace your system (for free I presume)

*With non backwards compatible system.

 

You're too dense to realize that they're not going to keep on giving you a system that is backwards compatible, because every other week or month, you're going to run into the same issue over and over again. They pay for postage (I presume again), and you pay nothing.

 

Buy a cheap PS2 and play your games on that, or upgrade.

I bought a PS2 and 11 games for $35 a few months ago.

 

ANYWAY, we're getting off topic.

 

Nobody forced you to pay for the apartment. Nobody forced you to buy one, let alone six kurumas. That was your doing. You are not owed anything in return. This method is patched (for the time being) because it is not how Rockstar intended you to complete the heist. Point blank.

 

What would have been funny is if you got all the way to the jump point near the military base with the kuruma and it told you to collect the bikes with two minutes left.

 

 

You are calling people names and you don't have all the facts. It was a $100 to get the "new system." My research revealed that Sony went cheap on the fan to save money, because, well, systems are typically sold as a loss with money made up on the games. This is one of the many reasons you don't want to start with name calling.

 

Whether forced to buy these things or not (of course I wasn't), is another red herring. Based on usability information, I bought a Kuruma. After taking my full money, they alter said usability because it benefits them. It is materially unfair to alter the use of an item after the consumer has purchased said item. I am struggling to understand why you are having such a hard time following along.

 

You ALSO have no idea why it was patched (since I assume you are not a Rock Star employee or at their meetings). It is equally plausible that Rock Star left it in there thinking it would never be used to such an extent that it would cut into their profits. They then altered it to increase Shark Card sales. I am NOT saying this is why, just that if we are going with speculation, then I will suggest this possibility.

 

You wouldn't want mid=-term grades for your post, but here they are anyway....F.

 

The only time altered something beyond useless after people brought it and was unjustified was the tank.

They should have given them a full refund.

 

Now you have to use relating examples to what your trying to prove instead of bias claims.

 

You brought a google watch to cheat on a test-

Teacher didn't catch you until mid terms-

Teacher takes the watch and you will have to do the test on your own.

 

It is what your trying to say?

By that logic your lucky you didn't get money wiped for it/ suspend from school.

 

This thread is pure bitch and moan.....the mods allowing it is pure abuse of their power yet again.

 

 

Your analogy fails for so many reasons. It is so silly I am not bothering with it.

 

My point was that they put stuff in the game for sale at price when it was known that it could be used to complete the PSJ. Rockstar could have precluded this from the onset, but for whatever reason, did not. For 2 years they let people buy this car and apartment for this purpose, knowing in some instances people were using real money to do it. Then because it would increase their profits, they altered the use of these items and offer no refund to the buyer (selling for a fraction of the value or trading the apartment in for one that you then have to lay out more cash for, really isn't a remedy for this)..

 

Don't get lost on the analogy. Address what appears above and explain how that is fair.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[JuniorChubb]

Which completely flies in the face of open world gaming.

 

...you know, the kind of gaming that GTA Online is theoretically supposed to, uh, BE.

 

Once again, R* gets an epic fail.

The trouble is Open World Gaming is such a loose term, some people expect an open world game to give them no limitations whatsoever, some people are prepared to accept a little direction to help with the atmosphere or story telling. Every definition of the term is slightly different and swayed by personal opinion.

 

If you want an 'Open World experience' from GTAO the closest you will find to it is in free roam. Once you leave free roam though you are generally leaving Open World Gaming behind and with that comes the restrictions that are in place to push the narrative/objective in a certain direction.

 

R*s original premise was to give us an Open World experience, its been a slow progress but now we have moved up a generation some of the 'promises' are taking shape and we can play missions and earn money in the environment that current gen' has given us with all our assets at our disposal (well all of our assets one at a time).

 

Heists are not an Open World experience though, they are manufactured, linear set pieces to give their content a more dramatic/cinematic feel.

[OfficialTwiggz]

@ Rockstar Fanboy.

 

Stop crying, holy sh*t. Stop quote training, too. It's annoying on mobile. Like forreal, it's patched. That's it. This is probably the last time I'm visiting this thread. We could go back and forth but clearly, it's not getting through to you. It's patched for the sake of being patched. How's that? That work for ya? Don't bother responding.

Edited January 30, 2017 by OfficialTwiggz

[MillerTyme]

I just love how you all say import/export is just as profitable in the same amount of time.. lol wrong.. if you have a good team on pac standard you can knock them out without fail about 4 times an hour with hardly any effort.. and assuming you mean in a normal public lobby you can make the same in import/export? lol yeah mayyybbeeee... but with that your taking a chance on losing the money you have to put into repairs(if needed) and wasting a bunch of time just to have someone camping around your warehouse that just blows it up.. not a sure way of making max money! and if your talking about getting into a lobby solo im hoping your not in acceptance of the pac standard patch, since your method is a cheap shortcut and unintended way of doing the import/export business either so you would be a hypocrite!! Plus you have the time of trying to get into a solo lobby and if your kicked from servers theres even more time trying to get into a solo lobby... so you say its better and not as much of a grind? when you have to do it more an hour than the heist, which is more of a grind? and better? all has to do with circumstance.. do you have randoms in your heist? do you have people in your lobby for import/export? these are all factors when looking at whats more effective.. so enough of the "my method is better than yours" and enough of the dupe glitch comments.. ffs

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

Which completely flies in the face of open world gaming.

 

...you know, the kind of gaming that GTA Online is theoretically supposed to, uh, BE.

 

Once again, R* gets an epic fail.

The trouble is Open World Gaming is such a loose term, some people expect an open world game to give them no limitations whatsoever, some people are prepared to accept a little direction to help with the atmosphere or story telling. Every definition of the term is slightly different and swayed by personal opinion.

 

If you want an 'Open World experience' from GTAO the closest you will find to it is in free roam. Once you leave free roam though you are generally leaving Open World Gaming behind and with that comes the restrictions that are in place to push the narrative/objective in a certain direction.

 

R*s original premise was to give us an Open World experience, its been a slow progress but now we have moved up a generation some of the 'promises' are taking shape and we can play missions and earn money in the environment that current gen' has given us with all our assets at our disposal (well all of our assets one at a time).

 

Heists are not an Open World experience though, they are manufactured, linear set pieces to give their content a more dramatic/cinematic feel.

 

 

Very fair response. But how does limiting driving a Kuruma but allowing the use of a police car "push the narrative/objective in a certain direction"? Yes there are cut scenes and a little story, but they come in at set intervals and play the same regardless of how you complete this. I really think this is a cop-out/excuse making for the real reason Rock Star did this.

@ Rockstar Fanboy.

 

Stop crying, holy sh*t. Stop quote training, too. It's annoying on mobile. Like forreal, it's patched. That's it. This is probably the last time I'm visiting this thread. We could go back and forth but clearly, it's not getting through to you. It's patched for the sake of being patched. How's that? That work for ya? Don't bother responding.

 

You tell me to stop crying. If you don't want or can't address my point, then who forced you to do it? I posted an appropriate opinion in a thread specifically discussing this topic.

 

I will quote train and respond when I want. You jumped in and apparently are a little salty since you really can't respond to my post (but felt compelled to for some reason). Now you end it with the Ma & Pa "cause I told you so" while trying lecture me on acceptable posting etiquette, as you see it. Ahem, no.

[Collibosher]

 

 

I actually prefer doing it with the bikes and enjoy it more this way. It still doesn't change the fact that it is wrong to sell you something that could be used in a certain fashion, then alter the usefulness of the item after the consumer has bought it because it suits you to do so.

 

I know that they are a business. But just because you are a business, doesn't mean everything is fair as long as it generates a profit for you. This is an example of one such instance. And you really aren't crying poor Rock Star, are you? They made a billion dollars the first weekend (most people can't even comprehend how much money that is) and $500 million just on Shark Card sales as of about a year and some change ago. This is NOT all the money they made on this game (I am guessing with PC sales and other sales after opening weekend, they are close to $2 billion or more!!). I know they had to recoop some massive expenses, but the company and their employees aren't living on the streets in card board boxes.

 

I love this game, it's probably my favorite game of all time. It isn't perfect. I bought two copies of this game and 4 shark cards early in my playing days, mostly as gratitude for what I have gotten out of this game. This move stinks for the reasons I said (personally, I am glad they patched, not because I like less choices, but it forced me to play it a different way I otherwise would not have. But I still think it is wrong for the reasons I said). I felt the same way about the nerfing of the tank and told others the same thing when that happened.

 

Oh, and the "way it was supposed to be played" has been debunked many times throughout this thread, not sure why people keep repeating it. The game will let me steal a cop car and finish it. Or a noose truck. The fact that you can blow up the bikes and continue tells you that Rock Star envisioned other ways to finish this. You can complete this on more than one route. So no, that isn't correct.

 

Don't call people over the internet you don't know, and consequentially know very little about "dense." Name calling is the last bastion of a man with no ideas. If you think his point is lacking, lay out your position. Attack his argument, not the person personally. Sensitivity has nothing to do with it--it's just rude.

 

 

 

Is it possible, that blowing up the bikes doesn't fail the heist, because when you make "the jump" bikes might end up into the river and get destroyed = failing the heist?

 

Also, can you still drive directly for the Dinghy thru the highway and miss the checkpoints? That worked several updates ago, but I haven't been in PS finale, where the leader doesn't have a Kuruma and doesn't use the official route, for a long time.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

I actually prefer doing it with the bikes and enjoy it more this way. It still doesn't change the fact that it is wrong to sell you something that could be used in a certain fashion, then alter the usefulness of the item after the consumer has bought it because it suits you to do so.

 

I know that they are a business. But just because you are a business, doesn't mean everything is fair as long as it generates a profit for you. This is an example of one such instance. And you really aren't crying poor Rock Star, are you? They made a billion dollars the first weekend (most people can't even comprehend how much money that is) and $500 million just on Shark Card sales as of about a year and some change ago. This is NOT all the money they made on this game (I am guessing with PC sales and other sales after opening weekend, they are close to $2 billion or more!!). I know they had to recoop some massive expenses, but the company and their employees aren't living on the streets in card board boxes.

 

I love this game, it's probably my favorite game of all time. It isn't perfect. I bought two copies of this game and 4 shark cards early in my playing days, mostly as gratitude for what I have gotten out of this game. This move stinks for the reasons I said (personally, I am glad they patched, not because I like less choices, but it forced me to play it a different way I otherwise would not have. But I still think it is wrong for the reasons I said). I felt the same way about the nerfing of the tank and told others the same thing when that happened.

 

Oh, and the "way it was supposed to be played" has been debunked many times throughout this thread, not sure why people keep repeating it. The game will let me steal a cop car and finish it. Or a noose truck. The fact that you can blow up the bikes and continue tells you that Rock Star envisioned other ways to finish this. You can complete this on more than one route. So no, that isn't correct.

 

Don't call people over the internet you don't know, and consequentially know very little about "dense." Name calling is the last bastion of a man with no ideas. If you think his point is lacking, lay out your position. Attack his argument, not the person personally. Sensitivity has nothing to do with it--it's just rude.

 

 

 

Is it possible, that blowing up the bikes doesn't fail the heist, because when you make "the jump" bikes might end up into the river and get destroyed = failing the heist?

 

Also, can you still drive directly for the Dinghy thru the highway and miss the checkpoints? That worked several updates ago, but I haven't been in PS finale, where the leader doesn't have a Kuruma and doesn't use the official route, for a long time.

 

Maybe. Couldn't they program it so if you intentionally blow them up instead of some accident that it ends the mission?

[OfficialTwiggz]

Okay, fine. You're right @RockstarFanBoy

 

Please, in a very short BUT DETAILED response, relay your point to me one more time, about this kuruma, And I will try to be a thorough with mine as possible.

[Alinea]

maybe rockstar can give us better ways to get payed without feeling like we have to scrape money off walls to be able to buy something nice. God, that cooldown on exporting is something i hate, the more cars you sell at once, the higher the cooldown, this is why people dont bother with standard range and possibly even midrange cars.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

Okay, fine. You're right @RockstarFanBoy

 

Please, in a very short BUT DETAILED response, relay your point to me one more time, about this kuruma, And I will try to be a thorough with mine as possible.

 

I think it is fundamentally unfair to sell items in the game at a price when it is common knowledge how they can be used (a decision you made and didn't fix for 2 years) then alter it after the fact (to improve your profit) without offering the consumer a full refund, especially in a game where they know people are using real money to buy fake items.

[OfficialTwiggz]

 

Okay, fine. You're right @RockstarFanBoy

 

Please, in a very short BUT DETAILED response, relay your point to me one more time, about this kuruma, And I will try to be a thorough with mine as possible.

I think it is fundamentally unfair to sell items in the game at a price when it is common knowledge how they can be used (a decision you made and didn't fix for 2 years) then alter it after the fact (to improve your profit) without offering the consumer a full refund, especially in a game where they know people are using real money to buy fake items.

While I agree to an extent about purchasing that property, Rockstar may (or may not) have had knowledge about that specific apartment building. You could also enter other garages that you owned. Not just that one. Not sure if they have been patched as well.

 

But to answer your question, there's not so much a refund, more of a downgrade. I have been for 'selling properties and businesses and Pegasus vehicles' since day one. I wish I didn't own half of the apartments I do own. Can I downsize? Sure. But to give the consumer a full refund for a product that they rightfully, knowingly purchased (for, or not for a exploit) is not a part of their programming. Whether they had bought it for the exploit or not, you cannot get a full refund, on that house or any house for that matter. Not yet anyway.

 

But to fundamentally use that apartment, use it! I mean there's not many options available to us, the players.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

 

Okay, fine. You're right @RockstarFanBoy

 

Please, in a very short BUT DETAILED response, relay your point to me one more time, about this kuruma, And I will try to be a thorough with mine as possible.

I think it is fundamentally unfair to sell items in the game at a price when it is common knowledge how they can be used (a decision you made and didn't fix for 2 years) then alter it after the fact (to improve your profit) without offering the consumer a full refund, especially in a game where they know people are using real money to buy fake items.

While I agree to an extent about purchasing that property, Rockstar may (or may not) have had knowledge about that specific apartment building. You could also enter other garages that you owned. Not just that one. Not sure if they have been patched as well.

 

But to answer your question, there's not so much a refund, more of a downgrade. I have been for 'selling properties and businesses and Pegasus vehicles' since day one. I wish I didn't own half of the apartments I do own. Can I downsize? Sure. But to give the consumer a full refund for a product that they rightfully, knowingly purchased (for, or not for a exploit) is not a part of their programming. Whether they had bought it for the exploit or not, you cannot get a full refund, on that house or any house for that matter. Not yet anyway.

 

But to fundamentally use that apartment, use it! I mean there's not many options available to us, the players.

 

 

We are getting close to our point of agreement.

 

When I say Rock Star, I mean the programmers. They decided where to put the Heist events and which building could be bought, and that you can go into them during a heist. It might have been an oversight, but the programmers made all the decisions.

 

If they offered a full refund for the Karuma and the apartment (for the apartment, you get full value credit towards purchase of another place) after a 2 year patch, I would have been satisfied. That they didn't tells me this is nothing but a money grab, and that's why it doesn't sit well I guess. I also felt the same way when they nerfed the tank. And so I am clear, even if people paid real money to buy these things, I am only suggesting an in game credit of fake money (which acknowledges that if you couldn't use these items for this purpose, maybe you would have bought something else).

 

Well, this is probably as close to a point of agreement as we will get. It took a while, but I appreciate this kind of exchange. You can have last word and peace brotha....

Edited January 30, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[OfficialTwiggz]

 

 

 

Okay, fine. You're right @RockstarFanBoy

 

Please, in a very short BUT DETAILED response, relay your point to me one more time, about this kuruma, And I will try to be a thorough with mine as possible.

I think it is fundamentally unfair to sell items in the game at a price when it is common knowledge how they can be used (a decision you made and didn't fix for 2 years) then alter it after the fact (to improve your profit) without offering the consumer a full refund, especially in a game where they know people are using real money to buy fake items.

While I agree to an extent about purchasing that property, Rockstar may (or may not) have had knowledge about that specific apartment building. You could also enter other garages that you owned. Not just that one. Not sure if they have been patched as well.

 

But to answer your question, there's not so much a refund, more of a downgrade. I have been for 'selling properties and businesses and Pegasus vehicles' since day one. I wish I didn't own half of the apartments I do own. Can I downsize? Sure. But to give the consumer a full refund for a product that they rightfully, knowingly purchased (for, or not for a exploit) is not a part of their programming. Whether they had bought it for the exploit or not, you cannot get a full refund, on that house or any house for that matter. Not yet anyway.

 

But to fundamentally use that apartment, use it! I mean there's not many options available to us, the players.

 

We are getting close to our point of agreement.

 

When I say Rock Star, I mean the programmers. They decided where to put the Heist events and which building could be bought, and that you can go into them during a heist. It might have been an oversight, but the programmers made all the decisions.

 

If they offered a full refund for the Karuma and the apartment (for the apartment, you get full value credit towards purchase of another place) after a 2 year patch, I would have been satisfied. That they didn't tells me this is nothing but a money grab, and that's why it doesn't sit well I guess. I also felt the same way when they nerfed the tank. And so I am clear, even if people paid real money to buy these things, I am only suggesting an in game credit of fake money (which acknowledges that if you couldn't use these items for this purpose, maybe you would have bought something else).

 

Well, this is probably as close to a point of agreement as we will get. It took a while, but I appreciate this kind of exchange. You can have last word and peace brotha....

This may have been random, but did you end up getting a $250k 'thanks for playing' gift recently? I did, once about a week ago. Now, nobody knows why people are getting this. MAYBE this could be put into effect. Just asking.

 

But I agree with you to an extent. The programmers have no way of knowing who bought that apartment at what time, and have no way of knowing who used it for the heist method, you know? Ultimately, some players (myself included) used it as an exploit during the heist mission.

 

Maybe whomever owns now or once owned that apartment is being reimbursed with the $250k as a "sorry we ruined your fun, but thanks for playing"

 

Fun fact; back when the hooker glitch was around, I had picked up the game for my 360 and started my brand new character. Had no money, but had purchased a $20 shark card. Got $1.25 million, so I had bought a high end apartment and an Adder.

What did I do, you might ask?

 

Duped that adder. And made my $20 worth while by getting around $50 million after everything was said and done.

 

Was it cheating? Yeah. Did I get caught or a slap on the wrist? f*ck no.

 

But I spent my hard earned money on something I knew could get me banned or possibly lose it all. In the end, I took that chance and was satisfied when the time came to patch it.

[The Wandering Hunter]

they patch this while there's still a money glitch

[Voit Turyv]

they patch this while there's still a money glitch

*sigh* "Fix" one thing, break another. Klassic R*. Too bad I don't care about their motives anymore.

[BlackMilk]

I just love how you all say import/export is just as profitable in the same amount of time.. lol wrong.. if you have a good team on pac standard you can knock them out without fail about 4 times an hour with hardly any effort.. and assuming you mean in a normal public lobby you can make the same in import/export? lol yeah mayyybbeeee... but with that your taking a chance on losing the money you have to put into repairs(if needed) and wasting a bunch of time just to have someone camping around your warehouse that just blows it up.. not a sure way of making max money! and if your talking about getting into a lobby solo im hoping your not in acceptance of the pac standard patch, since your method is a cheap shortcut and unintended way of doing the import/export business either so you would be a hypocrite!! Plus you have the time of trying to get into a solo lobby and if your kicked from servers theres even more time trying to get into a solo lobby... so you say its better and not as much of a grind? when you have to do it more an hour than the heist, which is more of a grind? and better? all has to do with circumstance.. do you have randoms in your heist? do you have people in your lobby for import/export? these are all factors when looking at whats more effective.. so enough of the "my method is better than yours" and enough of the dupe glitch comments.. ffs

Right. You're doing the Pacific Standard heist in fifteen minutes? Sure thing, buddy.

I'd love to talk more about this but I'm gotta get some sleep to go to work. Did I mention I get to work by flying there on a pink elephant?

 

Oh no, ofcourse you meant just the finale. But obviously you can't repeat the finale without using a glitch or by also repeating the set up missions.

And you can have four finales ready with four players but you still end up in the same situation, having to either use a glitch (some people say it's been patched recently) or having to do the set up missions again.

 

Please stop pulling numbers out of wherever the sun don't shine. Nobody's doing the entire PS heist in fifteen minutes. Just as a reminder, that's five set up missions AND the finale. Even if it was one mission less, that'd still be only three minutes per mission. Is your character superman?

[FlacidJack]

 

 

 

I actually prefer doing it with the bikes and enjoy it more this way. It still doesn't change the fact that it is wrong to sell you something that could be used in a certain fashion, then alter the usefulness of the item after the consumer has bought it because it suits you to do so.

 

I know that they are a business. But just because you are a business, doesn't mean everything is fair as long as it generates a profit for you. This is an example of one such instance. And you really aren't crying poor Rock Star, are you? They made a billion dollars the first weekend (most people can't even comprehend how much money that is) and $500 million just on Shark Card sales as of about a year and some change ago. This is NOT all the money they made on this game (I am guessing with PC sales and other sales after opening weekend, they are close to $2 billion or more!!). I know they had to recoop some massive expenses, but the company and their employees aren't living on the streets in card board boxes.

 

I love this game, it's probably my favorite game of all time. It isn't perfect. I bought two copies of this game and 4 shark cards early in my playing days, mostly as gratitude for what I have gotten out of this game. This move stinks for the reasons I said (personally, I am glad they patched, not because I like less choices, but it forced me to play it a different way I otherwise would not have. But I still think it is wrong for the reasons I said). I felt the same way about the nerfing of the tank and told others the same thing when that happened.

 

Oh, and the "way it was supposed to be played" has been debunked many times throughout this thread, not sure why people keep repeating it. The game will let me steal a cop car and finish it. Or a noose truck. The fact that you can blow up the bikes and continue tells you that Rock Star envisioned other ways to finish this. You can complete this on more than one route. So no, that isn't correct.

 

Don't call people over the internet you don't know, and consequentially know very little about "dense." Name calling is the last bastion of a man with no ideas. If you think his point is lacking, lay out your position. Attack his argument, not the person personally. Sensitivity has nothing to do with it--it's just rude.

 

 

 

Is it possible, that blowing up the bikes doesn't fail the heist, because when you make "the jump" bikes might end up into the river and get destroyed = failing the heist?

 

Also, can you still drive directly for the Dinghy thru the highway and miss the checkpoints? That worked several updates ago, but I haven't been in PS finale, where the leader doesn't have a Kuruma and doesn't use the official route, for a long time.

 

technically you don't fail if the bikes get detroyed because it's not part of the mission to reach the next destination on those bikes. When the mission is made there's one objective for all players to get on the bikes but there's no objective to drop them off anywhere like in a vehicle delivery for example. So once everyone gets on a bike it goes on to an unrelated objective to simply get somewhere by any means.

[Rockstar_Fanboy]

 

I just love how you all say import/export is just as profitable in the same amount of time.. lol wrong.. if you have a good team on pac standard you can knock them out without fail about 4 times an hour with hardly any effort.. and assuming you mean in a normal public lobby you can make the same in import/export? lol yeah mayyybbeeee... but with that your taking a chance on losing the money you have to put into repairs(if needed) and wasting a bunch of time just to have someone camping around your warehouse that just blows it up.. not a sure way of making max money! and if your talking about getting into a lobby solo im hoping your not in acceptance of the pac standard patch, since your method is a cheap shortcut and unintended way of doing the import/export business either so you would be a hypocrite!! Plus you have the time of trying to get into a solo lobby and if your kicked from servers theres even more time trying to get into a solo lobby... so you say its better and not as much of a grind? when you have to do it more an hour than the heist, which is more of a grind? and better? all has to do with circumstance.. do you have randoms in your heist? do you have people in your lobby for import/export? these are all factors when looking at whats more effective.. so enough of the "my method is better than yours" and enough of the dupe glitch comments.. ffs

Right. You're doing the Pacific Standard heist in fifteen minutes? Sure thing, buddy.

I'd love to talk more about this but I'm gotta get some sleep to go to work. Did I mention I get to work by flying there on a pink elephant?

 

Oh no, ofcourse you meant just the finale. But obviously you can't repeat the finale without using a glitch or by also repeating the set up missions.

And you can have four finales ready with four players but you still end up in the same situation, having to either use a glitch (some people say it's been patched recently) or having to do the set up missions again.

 

Please stop pulling numbers out of wherever the sun don't shine. Nobody's doing the entire PS heist in fifteen minutes. Just as a reminder, that's five set up missions AND the finale. Even if it was one mission less, that'd still be only three minutes per mission. Is your character superman?

 

 

 

 

My group did this so often I started timing them. The old way with the Karuma, run time with no errors with a tight crew always came back 15-17 minutes. However, this does NOT include set up (accept invites, people join, change role and money, etc) time or listening to MoLester run his gums after, which is about 3:30-4:00 minutes (can't remember exactly). There is no way you can do this four times an hour. With the set up and end animation (plus celebration screen & white screen of death), you would be lucky to do one in 23 minutes (we did that once). That was with everyone paying attention, not f'ing with clothes (we had people actually equip heavy armor before getting into the heist, that's how far we had this refined), etc. So this guy is right, you ain't doing 4 an hour.

Edited January 30, 2017 by Rockstar_Fanboy

[APB]

Lmao, this thread is featured on Kotaku:

http://kotaku.com/why-rockstars-removal-of-a-gta-online-car-exploit-is-so-1791796274

[BlackMilk]

 

 

I just love how you all say import/export is just as profitable in the same amount of time.. lol wrong.. if you have a good team on pac standard you can knock them out without fail about 4 times an hour with hardly any effort.. and assuming you mean in a normal public lobby you can make the same in import/export? lol yeah mayyybbeeee... but with that your taking a chance on losing the money you have to put into repairs(if needed) and wasting a bunch of time just to have someone camping around your warehouse that just blows it up.. not a sure way of making max money! and if your talking about getting into a lobby solo im hoping your not in acceptance of the pac standard patch, since your method is a cheap shortcut and unintended way of doing the import/export business either so you would be a hypocrite!! Plus you have the time of trying to get into a solo lobby and if your kicked from servers theres even more time trying to get into a solo lobby... so you say its better and not as much of a grind? when you have to do it more an hour than the heist, which is more of a grind? and better? all has to do with circumstance.. do you have randoms in your heist? do you have people in your lobby for import/export? these are all factors when looking at whats more effective.. so enough of the "my method is better than yours" and enough of the dupe glitch comments.. ffs

 

 

My group did this so often I started timing them. The old way with the Karuma, run time with no errors with a tight crew always came back 15-17 minutes. However, this does NOT include set up (accept invites, people join, change role and money, etc) time or listening to MoLester run his gums after, which is about 3:30-4:00 minutes (can't remember exactly). There is no way you can do this four times an hour. With the set up and end animation (plus celebration screen & white screen of death), you would be lucky to do one in 23 minutes (we did that once). That was with everyone paying attention, not f'ing with clothes (we had people actually equip heavy armor before getting into the heist, that's how far we had this refined), etc. So this guy is right, you ain't doing 4 an hour.

 

Thanks for the data there. If you (as a decent player with a decent team) did the whole thing in 23 minutes, streamlined then the original statement of the poster I quoted is completely false even if you DON'T count set up missions (Vans, Signal, Hack, Convoy, Bikes).

 

People do tend to underestimate how much time certain activities take when you factor in all the little details. But five separate set up missions along with all the extra's you mentioned, that's a LOT of details. Big ones, too.

[Xiled]

they patch this while there's still a money glitch

There always new money glitches lol

[feiaschdada]

Let's be honest here, the pacific standard still pays way more then any other heist and is still the best method to earn cash if all people involved care about near equal payout in this game.

 

I rather see rockstar patching things like that then see the overall payout nerfed or something stupid like that.

No it is not the best

[Xiled]

Lmao, this thread is featured on Kotaku:

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I made it in the article. hahahahahahahaha