Pacific Standard Kuruma method patched?

[OfficialTwiggz]

Or i can just finish the heist by using a kuruma. Fun gameplay and good money. 100% better then sitting in an apartment and 100% less frustrating since i mostly help lowlevel randoms who do this heist for the first time.

But you can't. Rockstar did not permit it. Find another way. It's that simple. Use the bike or don't play the heist.

 

Yet you still like it that I cant play my way anymore. So this part of your post makes zero sense.

I don't like it. You've taken my point as a negative. I wish you could use a kuruma or another method vehicle. This heist in particular was made for ALL players to do the work, not for one to drive a car 6 miles from point A to B. All. Players.

 

Did you ever hear about "customer feedback"? Its the right of the customer to say that he dont like the product/parts of the product. My customer feedback is that i dont like restrictions on my gameplay who are only there to slow down my progress and get my to buy cashcards.

I am not a million dollar company, so i cant develop a game that has the size of gta 5. This answer is also kinda dumb. Why? Well if you dont like the taste of a burger at mc donalds you dont open your own burger restaurant.

Nobody's forcing you to buy shark cards. Not sure how that came up. You play the heist or you don't. And I know plenty about customer feedback. I've been working in retail for 5+ years. They (Rockstar) offered a service. You found a loophole. They closed the loophole because that's not how it was intended. That's like using a coupon more than once on a product. You can't do that. You can't make the rules on somebody else's product if they're offering it to you. You can't change a Nissan Skyline price just because you can't afford it.

 

And yes, if you hate McDonald's that much because their burgers suck, don't eat mcdonalds anymore and find a new burger joint.

 

Thats fine. But english is not my mothertongue so i do not really care.

 

So in conclusion: You failed to answer my question.

Lets try again: Why do YOU do not want ME (or other people) to get money easier by using a kuruma for the pac standart finale? (Other people who are happy that it got removed are also invited to give me an answer for this question.)

Again, you're taking my point into a negative one. It's not negative at all. I wish you could do whatever you damn well please in the game. But complaining about something you've had access to for multiple years, is now not available because it was a legit loophole in the system, that's not my fault. It's not how it was intended, and you got caught. You're lucky they didn't calculate and take all that loophole money you made! I didn't create the game, I just play by the rules. I've played the heist over and over and over again using the kuruma method. But let's be real, if it's money you're after, this is no longer the method of doing so. Case in point, it's patched. Deal with it or keep complaining. Whatever.

[Sky_Light12]

its a pity , i managed to achieve CMM with kuruma method long before the patch arrives

 

 

 

message to competitives

 

 

AND I'M PROUD OF IT , WITH SO CALLED " NOOB CAR " instead of bike entusiasts call it " cage "

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited January 29, 2017 by Sky_Light12

[DarkSavageDeathlyCloud]

I did cmc with 2 times usage of the disconect trick.

 

Anyone who really wants it can still do cmc regardless, even if they are scrubs

[MeatSafeMurderer]

lol...an "exploit". There was no exploiting involved...it let you walk right on in.

Bottom line, Rockstar decided to sh*t on their playerbase yet again.

[SHADOW OPS]

Did it with bikes last night. Lost 14K. Still worth it IMO. Made 300K I didn't have before.

[Nyamber]

Did it with bikes last night. Lost 14K. Still worth it IMO. Made 300K I didn't have before.

Stop posting the same thing over and over and over again. We get it. You like bikes. Post something new or nothing at all..

[Goingcrowd9]

Why do people even bother that there are other ways, that is, other than the way presented on 'your screen', of completing heist ?

 

You where NOT FORCED to use a kuruma...

It was not a glitch !?

Pulling the internet cable out of your console and trick the game so you can play finale after finale IS.

 

just a question:

How is using something you own (in a heist, hehe) a glitch ?

 

 

 

 

You want easy money? There's hundreds of other methods of making easy money. If you don't want a challenge, may I suggest sitting in your apartment calling muggers and bounties on people.

Or i can just finish the heist by using a kuruma. Fun gameplay and good money. 100% better then sitting in an apartment and 100% less frustrating since i mostly help lowlevel randoms who do this heist for the first time.

 

And buddy, I'm not telling you how to do it. I could care less if you modded in a god damn unicorn to fart flames at police during the heist. I didn't develop nor create the game. You didn't either.

Yet you still like it that I cant play my way anymore. So this part of your post makes zero sense.

 

You wanna play it your way? Create your own game that gives you that option. It's a scripted mission. Suck it up and play it on how it's intended. You had years to repeat the same mission over and over and over and over again.

Did you ever hear about "customer feedback"? Its the right of the customer to say that he dont like the product/parts of the product. My customer feedback is that i dont like restrictions on my gameplay who are only there to slow down my progress and get my to buy cashcards.

I am not a million dollar company, so i cant develop a game that has the size of gta 5. This answer is also kinda dumb. Why? Well if you dont like the taste of a burger at mc donalds you dont open your own burger restaurant.

 

And by the way, it's spelt where*.

Thats fine. But english is not my mothertongue so i do not really care.

 

So in conclusion: You failed to answer my question.

Lets try again: Why do YOU do not want ME (or other people) to get money easier by using a kuruma for the pac standart finale? (Other people who are happy that it got removed are also invited to give me an answer for this question.)

 

 

^This says most of it...^

Edited January 29, 2017 by Goingcrowd9

[cipher656]

i always preferred the insurgant.

[JackRourke343]

 

Just wear the heavy vest outfit and search up a YouTube video of best Pac Standard bike routes. I know two main routes (with a number of small variations) that will keep you off-road for 90% of the drive and keep the police off your back. You should NEVER die during the drive unless you are comically awful on a bike, and you should only lose maybe 50K unless you crash. We've actually had a few perfect takes using these routes, on the bikes.

Yeah, I know the route. The one we've been taking with the Kuruma. But this time I'll try the train tracks.

 

 

 

http://rsg.ms/7e49efb

 

Based on V's and GTASeriesVideos' routes, I've created this simple race to help everyone familiarize with the path and the Lectro bike. You can also use the Lectro's KERS system during the race. Word of warning tho':

• This race doesn't contain any wanted levels, and there is not too much traffic to care about. Meaning that you will still need some skill during the heist to avoid sudden obstacles like cop cars, roadblocks, and NPC's.
• As mentioned in GTASeriesVideos' walkthrough, this is the fastest route, not the safest. Especially during the final portion of the track.

Ace this route, and there is a big chance of you getting the elite challenge. Or, translation, recovering most of the lost money (kudos if you lose nothing and still get the extra 100k)

 

 

Now, my opinion.

 

I've only done this heist once. Yes, only once. Back during the 2x money Heists week. So, yeah, I can't give specific tips for the mission. However, I can assure that you don't need Kurumas or even Heavy Combat Vests to succesfully take the Pacific Standard, as we have seen in other posts. Why not take some time to develop some skill? Playing other contact missions, or the long-forgotten Survivals, can really help you minimize errors during shootouts. Practice, and you will no longer need these "props" to win.

 

Yes, maybe R* did a bad move removing this method. It's sad? Yes, for some. But c'mon, this isn't so bad. This is the moment where the noobs will filter themselves. There will be those that will not quit the game, but instead, improve their skills, get some experience, etc.

 

And those are the players we need in our lobbies.

[moneyman999]

 

 

It's not "limitations"

 

They are challenges. Challenges that you must obey. Don't like it? Don't play the heist. There's plenty of other options for fun or in most cases, to make easy money. And let's be real, this glitch has been around for almost two years (maybe a little less). You've had your time to make "easy money".

 

I mean in my mind, it's really that simple.

And were exactly is YOUR problem if some people dont want a challenge or if people want to make easy money?

Are you willing to answer this or are you gonna disapear/ignore the questions like many other people here?

If YOU want a challenge, go ahead and do it YOUR way but dont tell me how I have to/should do it.

You want easy money? There's hundreds of other methods of making easy money. If you don't want a challenge, may I suggest sitting in your apartment calling muggers and bounties on people.

 

And buddy, I'm not telling you how to do it. I could care less if you modded in a god damn unicorn to fart flames at police during the heist. I didn't develop nor create the game. You didn't either.

 

You wanna play it your way? Create your own game that gives you that option. It's a scripted mission. Suck it up and play it on how it's intended. You had years to repeat the same mission over and over and over and over again.

 

And by the way, it's spelt where*.

 

We refuse to. Want to cry about it?

 

''And by the way, it's spelt where''

 

^^When you know you sound like an idiot so have to resort to spelling corrections to sound clever^^ xD

Edited January 29, 2017 by moneyman999

[CarnageRacing00]

Why do people even bother that there are other ways, that is, other than the way presented on 'your screen', of completing heist ?

 

You where NOT FORCED to use a kuruma...

It was not a glitch !?

Pulling the internet cable out of your console and trick the game so you can play finale after finale IS.

 

just a question:

How is using something you own (in a heist, hehe) a glitch ?

 

 

 

 

You want easy money? There's hundreds of other methods of making easy money. If you don't want a challenge, may I suggest sitting in your apartment calling muggers and bounties on people.

Or i can just finish the heist by using a kuruma. Fun gameplay and good money. 100% better then sitting in an apartment and 100% less frustrating since i mostly help lowlevel randoms who do this heist for the first time.

 

And buddy, I'm not telling you how to do it. I could care less if you modded in a god damn unicorn to fart flames at police during the heist. I didn't develop nor create the game. You didn't either.

Yet you still like it that I cant play my way anymore. So this part of your post makes zero sense.

 

You wanna play it your way? Create your own game that gives you that option. It's a scripted mission. Suck it up and play it on how it's intended. You had years to repeat the same mission over and over and over and over again.

Did you ever hear about "customer feedback"? Its the right of the customer to say that he dont like the product/parts of the product. My customer feedback is that i dont like restrictions on my gameplay who are only there to slow down my progress and get my to buy cashcards.

I am not a million dollar company, so i cant develop a game that has the size of gta 5. This answer is also kinda dumb. Why? Well if you dont like the taste of a burger at mc donalds you dont open your own burger restaurant.

 

And by the way, it's spelt where*.

Thats fine. But english is not my mothertongue so i do not really care.

 

So in conclusion: You failed to answer my question.

Lets try again: Why do YOU do not want ME (or other people) to get money easier by using a kuruma for the pac standart finale? (Other people who are happy that it got removed are also invited to give me an answer for this question.)

 

 

^This says most of it...^

 

 

There are a lot of people who know gaming lingo, but don't understand it.

 

The Kuruma trick is not a glitch. It COULD be considered an exploit, depending on just how you define exploit (I'm exploiting an oversight by programmers to use a vehicle that I was not intended to use), but really it's more of a "loop hole" than anything, so maybe we should just call it that. Kuruma Loop Hole. Doesn't really have a good ring to it, but it's more accurate anyhow..

 

Also, the lag trick at the end of the mission isn't a glitch either - that is very solidly an exploit.

 

A glitch is a malfunction of game code, there's nothing malfunctioning when you do the lag trick, it's actually working as designed, it's just that they didn't design it in such a way to make it impossible.

 

 

 

Yes, maybe R* did a bad move removing this method. It's sad? Yes, for some. But c'mon, this isn't so bad. This is the moment where the noobs will filter themselves. There will be those that will not quit the game, but instead, improve their skills, get some experience, etc.

 

And those are the players we need in our lobbies.

 

Look, I agree that this isn't the "end of the world" as some people are making it out to be - I'm totally fine with the fact that Rockstar fixed the Kuruma loophole. Bummed, because I liked "easy mode" to make quick money, but I'm fine with it. I EXPECTED it to happen.

 

That said, no amount of skill can overcome the TOTALLY unfair AI in this game. Period. You're riding on a motorcycle, you WILL GET SHOT and there is NOTHING you can do about it. No amount of skill can protect you from being shot by the sniper police hanging their pistol out the window doing 80mph upside-down crashing through some trees. It's artificial difficulty, and it's bullsh*t, and it's why players resort to searching for different ways of doing these missions.

 

IF Rockstar had designed this game in such a way that you COULD use skill and skill alone to escape with the entire $1,250,000 stolen from the bank, I bet let people would be upset about them removing the Kuruma loop hole.

Edited January 29, 2017 by CarnageRacing00

[SHADOW OPS]

I have done it with bikes and the ONE guy carrying the cash lost less than 5K. I don't get all the hate but yes I agree...seems weird to patch it 2 years later.

[Gridl0k]

They're tidying up loose ends.

[Lonely-Martin]

@ ALifeOfMisery... Fully genuine dude, many can do this comfortably... Sent a msg...

[SHADOW OPS]

They're tidying up loose ends.

Agreed. If I used this method I would be thankful it lasted 2 years. To each his own.

[FaultyDroid]

lol...an "exploit". There was no exploiting involved...it let you walk right on in.

Bottom line, Rockstar decided to sh*t on their playerbase yet again.

Just because you could walk right in doesnt mean it was intentional from the start. Clearly an oversight on R*s part & they closed it. Who cares how long its taken, its their prerogative. So many people tired of being 'sh*t on again' yet here they are, still playing, & stil complaining.

[CarnageRacing00]

I have done it with bikes and the ONE guy carrying the cash lost less than 5K. I don't get all the hate but yes I agree...seems weird to patch it 2 years later.

 

Ideally you blow up 2 of the bikes and double up on the others. One drives, the other shoots IF NEEDED. And stay close to each other to provide cover if and when one bike crashes.

 

My problem hasn't necessarily been getting shot too much, it's been the unpredictable NPC traffic and the kamikaze cop cars. I'm not GREAT on a bike but I can drive without crashing, yet it's really hard to avoid being thrown off the bike when you simply can't predict if the cop car is going to stop where it is or rocket propel itself another 50ft directly into your path before you can possibly react. Even in the Kuruma this is a problem - I've had cop cars slam into me so hard it launched us into the water.

[SHADOW OPS]

 

I have done it with bikes and the ONE guy carrying the cash lost less than 5K. I don't get all the hate but yes I agree...seems weird to patch it 2 years later.

Ideally you blow up 2 of the bikes and double up on the others. One drives, the other shoots IF NEEDED. And stay close to each other to provide cover if and when one bike crashes.

 

My problem hasn't necessarily been getting shot too much, it's been the unpredictable NPC traffic and the kamikaze cop cars. I'm not GREAT on a bike but I can drive without crashing, yet it's really hard to avoid being thrown off the bike when you simply can't predict if the cop car is going to stop where it is or rocket propel itself another 50ft directly into your path before you can possibly react. Even in the Kuruma this is a problem - I've had cop cars slam into me so hard it launched us into the water.

True. We typically stay off-road and that is far less of an issue. If everyone wears the heavy utility vest and don't have the money man ride lead he can watch the spawns in front and evade accordingly.

[Guest]

18 pages of people crying over a method that was never intended to be used being patched?

 

Come on, I must have hit PS 100 times, if not more, never using the Kuruma. Yes, we lost money but it was a matter of thousands, not tens or hundreds of thousands.

 

Anyone would think that the heist is impossible without the use of the noob shell - believe me it isn't. If you made it to the finale of pacific standard you can easily finish the finale. You will have made it through the entire PB heist, you didn't need a kuruma in the prison! You got through Humane Labs, Series A, you got shot at, you survived. Pacific Standard finale isn't any harder than the previous heists (I'd say it's much easier than PB to be honest).

 

You have two options now. You either accept you can't use the noob shell and do it the way Rockstar want you to do it or you don't play that heist.

[Tomdon]

Anyone that can solo the run already knows the 2 needed tactics to do it without kuruma.

[nWo_Y2J_2015]

Nobody's forcing you to buy shark cards.

Technically no, but when prices are beyond sky high you almost have to buy a shark card to get anything.

 

I've said this many times. If the shark card prices were a little more reasonable, people wouldn't be so pissed about spending real money. The shark card prices were a little more acceptable back in the beginning of GTA Online (you could actually get a good bit from the $8M card), but now they are not and need serious adjustments.

[Khephera]

You either accept you can't use the noob shell and do it the way Rockstar want you to do it or you don't play that heist.

Ofc. we have to accept that. But it seems that some people don't get that it's now a huge incentive to not play this heist with randoms, not that we who complain won't play it anymore at all.

[STARLORD-1480]

It really shouldn't be an issue. You can use ANY npc car if you need to use a car. I've honestly used a regina before without much fuss. Just have the cash carrying dude duck down the whole way. Ok, you might lose some cash, but guaranteed it's only about 2k if you do.

 

So stop wibbling on about it and get on with finding a new way that suits you.

[mmm chocolate]

i used to get hyped being the driver and taking the offroad/train tracks route.

 

but now I think people rely on the Kuruma too much. I'm glad they patched it.

 

also, the final jump to the dinghy is obviously supposed to be done from a motorcycle.

[OfficialTwiggz]

Moneyman999, I'm not going to quote you because I'm using mobile. But your response brought nothing to the table. Sounds to me like you're the one crying about it. I've said my peace about it. It's over and done with, patched with no hope of ever returning.

 

RIP. PS Kuruma method 2015-2017

[SilverRST]

 

Did it with bikes last night. Lost 14K. Still worth it IMO. Made 300K I didn't have before.

Stop posting the same thing over and over and over again. We get it. You like bikes. Post something new or nothing at all..

 

It's called "Bragging rights". To let others know they are better than others.

 

Either way, it was never an exploit. The game GAVE you and LET you to enter your garage and pull out any personal vehicle aside Kuruma.

 

Did it with bikes last night. Lost 14K. Still worth it IMO. Made 300K I didn't have before.

Stop posting the same thing over and over and over again. We get it. You like bikes. Post something new or nothing at all..

 

It's called "Bragging rights". To let others know they are better than others.

 

Either way, it was never an exploit. The game GAVE you and LET you to enter your garage and pull out any personal vehicle aside Kuruma.

[OfficialTwiggz]

It's called "Bragging rights". To let others know they are better than others.

 

Either way, it was never an exploit. The game GAVE you and LET you to enter your garage and pull out any personal vehicle aside Kuruma.

Wrong. Your goal, in Rockstars eyes, was to hop on the bikes, and follow the designated GPS system.

 

Again, you (and other players, MYSELF INCLUDED) found an exploit, (a loophole) in the system Rockstar had put in place, that lets you enter garages during that heist mission. Maybe Rockstar had faith in the community that they would actually do right and follow such simple directions. Clearly that wasn't the case, and now "you cannot enter the garage at this time" appears.

 

It was an exploit. You were not allowed, errr "not supposed" to do such thing.

 

Now does Rockstar play fairly when it comes to patching harmless exploits? Nah, not really. There's plenty of harmless exploits that players do one week and are patched the next. This was creating a way for players to A) not die, and B) not lose money.

 

Again, and this goes for anybody counteracting what I'm saying, don't gang up on me for stating facts. I haven't patched sh*t. I can see where they are coming from. They are a business, and at the end of the day, they are in it for the almighty dollar. If somebody isn't losing money on a heist, it's too easy for them to make money, thus must be patched.

[Black-Dragon96]

i used to get hyped being the driver and taking the offroad/train tracks route.

 

but now I think people rely on the Kuruma too much. I'm glad they patched it.

 

also, the final jump to the dinghy is obviously supposed to be done from a motorcycle.

Question: Why are you glad that they patched it?

I mean you were not forced to use the kuruma.

[FaultyDroid]

 

It's called "Bragging rights". To let others know they are better than others.

 

Either way, it was never an exploit. The game GAVE you and LET you to enter your garage and pull out any personal vehicle aside Kuruma.

Maybe Rockstar had faith in the community that they would actually do right and follow such simple directions.

 

Or maybe it's simply not possible to predict the creativity of millions of players in their attempts to find workarounds and close every possible loophole. Especially in a game as vast and open ended as this.

[OfficialTwiggz]

 

 

It's called "Bragging rights". To let others know they are better than others.

 

Either way, it was never an exploit. The game GAVE you and LET you to enter your garage and pull out any personal vehicle aside Kuruma.

Maybe Rockstar had faith in the community that they would actually do right and follow such simple directions.

Or maybe it's simply not possible to predict the creativity of millions of players in their attempts to find workarounds and close every possible loophole. Especially in a game as vast and open ended as this.

Which is entirely true. I agree with that. So maybe in their next game, we could have the option of what exit vehicle would be best used, through a selection of sorts. Should we exit by car or boat? Submarine or helicopter? Sort of like they did in story mode, with a Quiet or Loud option.