MightyMax Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 1 minute ago, Spider-Vice said: I know, you have posted the Reddit link. lol okay was for know Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mister Pink Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 The more I learn of this game the less interested I become.Β pingli, Oh Sees and Malibu Club 3 Β πΌπππΈπ² π½πΎπ½ πππΎπΏ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyMax Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 https://www.eurogamer.net/everywhere-developer-defends-nftcrypto-job-postings-after-vague-game-reveal Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 (edited) Also, regardless of how you take that Reddit post, whether you think it's a legitimate clarification or not, they're still admitting it's on the table and that they're researching so it's really not out of the woods yet, lol. Β Another thing to notice... if this is just research, why do they already need a senior back-end developer for blockchain tech? Or have an entire category dedicated to Blockchain? Edited August 24 by Spider-Vice Commander S 1 Β Β let your hopes and dreams turn intoΒ burning fire! GTANetΒ |Β Red Dead NetworkΒ | kifflomΒ black lives matterΒ | stop Asian hateΒ | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexiture Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 10 minutes ago, MightyMax said: https://www.eurogamer.net/everywhere-developer-defends-nftcrypto-job-postings-after-vague-game-reveal Β Still vague Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ondr4H Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 I figure it what it is... Β Mafia 3 Madness in the Multiverse... Β Thank me later! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 1 hour ago, Spider-Vice said: Also, regardless of how you take that Reddit post, whether you think it's a legitimate clarification or not, they're still admitting it's on the table and that they're researching so it's really not out of the woods yet, lol. Β Another thing to notice... if this is just research, why do they already need a senior back-end developer for blockchain tech? Or have an entire category dedicated to Blockchain? Β Β Exactly - particularly when, again, the specifics point towards implementation of a blockchain-based economy (again, it's all about those three ERC standards listed in the job descriptions). Β Also, this part is both patronising and nonsense: "We are building Everywhere on Unreal Engine 5, not the blockchain." - it's effectively a fob-off, that only works if you don't know enough about either. OfΒ courseΒ they're not building theΒ gameΒ on a blockchain, because that's impossible (a blockchain is basically an incredibly inefficient online database/ledger). For instance, Rockstar could sell unique, limited-edition cars or whatever in GTA VI, and use NFTs or similar to keep track (and allow real-money trading outside of the game - although again, you don'tΒ needΒ to do that using crypto!), and theΒ gameΒ would still be built using RAGE. Β And so, it's a non-answer: it'd be like asking "will the game avoid predatory/exploitative monetisation/microtransactions?", and the PR response being "don't worry, the game won't have loot boxes!" - erm, that doesn't answer the question, does it? Β That, and this part:Β "[...] we do not like dismissing new technologies only because others haven't found a solution for them yet." is a common crypto-bro line of defence: "oh, sure, the whole crypto/blockchain push looks crap and greedyΒ now, but ...let's just keep doing it, because itΒ mightΒ wind up having some nebulous benefitsΒ eventually...", or "you don't see theΒ possibilities, maaan!". In other words, shrug off criticism with vague hypotheticals, rather than actually demonstrating a solid use case for the tech - and if that sounds like the same kind of rhetorical strategy as every scammy investment 'opportunity' promising people some massive return on their investment "eventually",Β well... Β Come to think of it, it's only one step away from the guy behind Ubisoft's NFT push going "it's really beneficial, but players just don't get it". Not exactly a comparison that fills one with confidence, is it? Spider-Vice, Yannerrins and Jakub1904 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LittleJesus Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Imagine if this forum had this same energy with cockstar constant sh*tty practices... Β Anyway I'm still giving Leslie the benefit of the doubt. Bob Loblaw, Mister Pink, NestorSite and 4 others 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Cowboy Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 It's clear that this game has been in development long before the NFT craze, so at the very least the game itself is not designed around it. It's likely the investors who are pushing this - a Chinese company Netease, which provided significant funding for Everywhere, has been into NFTs for quite a while. Either way, they should have been more clear about what the game is. The footage makes it look incredibly generic, and if it's really something unique, they should have revealed it with more information. Things like 2 artstyles, which the trailer showed, are only causing confusion. Mister Pink 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 (edited) 1 hour ago, Space Cowboy said: It's clear that this game has been in development long before the NFT craze, so at the very least the game itself is not designed around it. It's likely the investors who are pushing this - a Chinese company Netease, which provided significant funding for Everywhere, has been into NFTs for quite a while. Either way, they should have been more clear about what the game is. The footage makes it look incredibly generic, and if it's really something unique, they should have revealed it with more information. Things like 2 artstyles, which the trailer showed, are only causing confusion. Β Β True about the 'game precedes the NFT craze part', not so much about the NetEase bit. For the former, yeah, the whole 'this game is a social platform as much as a game', which some people are just reading as trying to copy Fornite's "metaverse"-ish 'game-as-platform' evolution, is something that goes back to when it was first teased in 2017Β - to quote co-founder and now-former-BaRB dev Matthew Smith: "Weβll have a distinctive style and tone, and plenty of story and characters β but what I find more interesting is letting players create their own stories, their own personalities. To a degree, more like a social network [...]". That wasΒ January 2017Β - Fornite wouldn't even launchΒ until July (still back as a horde mode with building mechanics), and long before anything recent about 'the metaverse' and NFTs took off. Β As for the investors, it's actually this company that needs consideration: Galaxy Interactive, the interactive media arm of crypto investment firm Galaxy Digital. As demonstrated by this video, they've clearly got "metaverse" ambitions: Β Β Β Worth pointing out that the second guy in the video (Richard Kim) is the guy who described the game's "multi-chapter epic narrative" - and that he was doing so on a podcast that's all about "Web3", crypto and "metaverse" stuff. Put another way, it's really telling that some of the first details of what Everywhere is and is about came out of a crypto investor bigging the game up toΒ otherΒ crypto investors. Β Also, the third guy in the video (Sam Englebardt) is currently sitting on the board of directors at BaRB, and has been since the start of the Series B funding round in August 2020 from Galaxy and NetEase. Β There's a lot less to go on from NetEase, and it looks more like a Tencent-style 'invest in the thing, then sit back and skim cream off it' approach, whereas I'm getting the distinct impression that Galaxy saw BaRB and Everywhere as their opportunity to buy up a ready-made, professional-looking "metaverse" project, complete with the clout and GTA/Rockstar connotations of having Benzies behind it. And of course, a "metaverse" platform with trading done on the Ethereum blockchain is likely to be a good way to both legitimise and pump the value of anyone's Ether crypto holdings - like, say, if folks like Englebart, Kim and Novogratz ran a crypto hedge fund (Galaxy) and Englebart was an early adopter of Ether... Edited August 24 by Commander S updated with the full-length video Spider-Vice, American Venom, Yannerrins and 1 other 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 That's some pretty interesting digging (with sources!) that I'm pretty sure seals the deal even more. If they ditch it before release is an entirely different story, but that 'statement' I feel like made matters even worse when you can find all of this information (re: their investors, who is on their board and what their do, and that podcast), and their website has the job listings readily available, saying exactly what they want. Β Again, we'll see, but it's piling up. Commander S 1 Β Β let your hopes and dreams turn intoΒ burning fire! GTANetΒ |Β Red Dead NetworkΒ | kifflomΒ black lives matterΒ | stop Asian hateΒ | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 As others have said, their statement is a complete non-answer that confirms nothing and only asks more questions. Β The fact it's on a subreddit and not on the company/game socials/site when it's a major talking point about the trailer (not that it caught many peoples eye by the looks of it) makes it even more sus, as if it was posted by a rando developer w/o permission. Β It's done the opposite for me honestly, it's made me think there actually is something Web3 related involved but they're playing it by ear right now before they confirm anything. Spider-Vice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spider-Vice Posted August 24 Author Share Posted August 24 A tweet thread calling out Everywhere and the ONL claiming to be green by showing a potentially NFT based game has basically "ratio'd" the announcement, so I think there's quite a lot of awareness of this possibility even outside the respective game communities, I've seen quite a lot of discussion about it. They definitely need a better "statement"... or not, if they do want to go the blockchain and NFT way, but if so, it's probably best to say that now as there's a fair bit of debunking of that "statement" going on given how clear-cut the job listings and their business relationships are... Β The reddit post's top comment is also someone pointing out how misleading the statement sounds. There's definitely scepticism. Yannerrins and Commander S 2 Β Β let your hopes and dreams turn intoΒ burning fire! GTANetΒ |Β Red Dead NetworkΒ | kifflomΒ black lives matterΒ | stop Asian hateΒ | trans lives = human lives Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MaddenedGhost Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 Here's the thing, back when I heard that Leslie is working on his own game, I've immediately thought that no matter what he's creating, it will never reach the scale of GTA, because that game (and other Rockstar games) are the handcraft of many people rather than one, the vision might be different, but there's a huge workforce behind each game, and singling out hundreds or thousands of devs in favor of the big name is pretty unfair to them. Β I was, however, thinking that it could still be a solid game with a good experience that could maybe, just maaaybe create some competition against Rockstar, but the more I hear about it now, the more I think it will be a game that comes and goes and that's about it, nothing special or impressive to remember it by. Β It's early to make judgements, that's for sure, but this whole thing sounds weird. Spider-Vice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 24 Share Posted August 24 12 minutes ago, Spider-Vice said: A tweet thread calling out Everywhere and the ONL claiming to be green by showing a potentially NFT based game has basically "ratio'd" the announcement, so I think there's quite a lot of awareness of this possibility even outside the respective game communities, I've seen quite a lot of discussion about it. They definitely need a better "statement"... or not, if they do want to go the blockchain and NFT way, but if so, it's probably best to say that now as there's a fair bit of debunking of that "statement" going on given how clear-cut the job listings and their business relationships are... Β The reddit post's top comment is also someone pointing out how misleading the statement sounds. There's definitely scepticism. Β This is the sorta stuff that's why I am definitively saying this game is dead on arrival day 1. I don't say this as one of those who just thinks everything is sh*t and who loves to hate on games they don't like, but NFT/blockchain stuff in games is universally despised and if you're making a game that screams NFT/blockchain you need to day 1 go "Nope, none of that sh*t in this game." instead what they did is make a very very vague statement that confirms absolutely nothing. Β No one wants them outside of a very niche circle of people who don't care for or actually play games, they just want to push NFT's on everyone cause they want to make money. Β BARB literally needs to scrap any plans they have for them and say "Nope, we don't have any NFT's, no blockchain, no crypto intergration, nothing." or this game will be derided by the mainstream community every single time it pops up - and given the investment behind this game tapping into the absolutely tiny niche of NFT die hards won't be anywhere near enough to make it successful. Spider-Vice, Commander S and Goldn-Bayse 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Simply put, it hinges on this: Β 1 hour ago, Jason said: Β BARB literally needs to scrap any plans they have for them and say "Nope, we don't have any NFT's, no blockchain, no crypto intergration, nothing." or this game will be derided by the mainstream community every single time it pops up Β Β Basically, yeah. They've got a limited window to read the room, save face with a statement saying "this is definitely not a blockchain game" (andΒ quietlyΒ drop those blockchain development job applications...), and put the issue to bed, before Everywhere's reputation is just "that NFT game" - because people don't want NFT games, and yeah, the choice is either stick to a regular monetisation strategy* and make an online game with a chance at building up a solid audience, or commit to crypto/NFTs, and try to survive with just the money fleeced from a few thousand Reddit-brained gambling addicts. Β If they don't? Everywhere is doomed, absolutely. And I really hope itΒ isn't, because I ...actually quite like all the things I've seen so far, and I'm keen to see more games do their own spin on the 'game as social space' thing that original started with MMOs (but without the rigidity of MMO gameplay: so far, the best alternatives are multiplayer online space games like ED and NMS, or Rockstar's Online outings). But right now, not only does it look like it's going to kill itself prematurely, but as a console player, is it even possible that it'll wind up on, say, the Xbox storefront as a crypto game? That'd be another stupid self-inflicted injury: not being able to reach console players, because they're too keen on shoehorning blockchain tech into it. Β *which'd still work out just fine as a return on investment for Galaxy Digital! Revenue is revenue, after all, regardless of whether Ethereum is involved - you think they'd turn down regular microtransaction or subscription money if they had a stake in a successful, conventionally-monetised MMO? Of course not - so just let Everywhere earn dollarydoos the old-fashioned way, and job done. American Venom and Yannerrins 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
greggrulzok Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Β Balam Wonderworld NFT Edition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NestorSite Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 15 hours ago, LittleJesus said: Imagine if this forum had this same energy with cockstar constant sh*tty practices... Β Anyway I'm still giving Leslie the benefit of the doubt. Β In b4 Rockstar's NFTsΒ MightyMax, Commander S and Yannerrins 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 8 hours ago, NestorSite said: Β In b4 Rockstar's NFTsΒ Β Β Frankly, I'd say the best shot at sneaking NFTs/cryptocurrency BS into videogamesΒ wouldΒ be something like GTAO, because of the brand loyalty to Rockstar, the entrenched install base, Rockstar having reputation they can afford to burn (and how nothing ever seems to make a permanent dent in said reputation), and how players are less likely to bail on a game in which they're already invested. Β Imagine if NFTs were used to sell limited-edition tat in GTAOΒ tomorrowΒ - at worst, you'd see an insignificant number of people quit, some more considerΒ maybeΒ not buying GTA VI, and the remaining objectors settle on a position of "well, at leastΒ I'mΒ not going to buy them!". Meanwhile, you'd probably see a surprising number of people just get on board with the whole thing, because the established loyalty GTAO/Rockstar would help normalise it. Β Crypto is just scams built on top of scams, no two ways about it - but the issue it has with breaking into the mainstream is because itΒ looksΒ like a scam to most onlookers (which is why crypto games don't appeal to regular gamers: they just look like a vehicle for crypto/NFTs with the barest, crappiest game part on top). If crypto evangelistsΒ reallyΒ wanted to get people to accept it, they need a 'Trojan horse': something already so popular and mainstream that people's need to have that trendy/mainstream thing would override any qualms they might have about the crypto part. Aside from GTA or maybe Fortnite on the games side, I imagine Disney's stable of licenses (Star Wars, Marvel, etc.) would be popular/bulletproof enough to do the same. Β Everywhere, though? It's a new IP with just aΒ bitΒ of residual Rockstar/Benzies brand loyalty - people's response on Tuesday was already a tentative "it's not some metaverse thing, is it?", so I really don't think they've got enough of a rep to weather a backlash to stuff like crypto/NFTs. Or even just people dismissing it as 'just some crypto thing', rather than taking it seriously like a proper mainstream game. Spider-Vice 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 10 minutes ago, Commander S said: It's a new IP with just aΒ bitΒ of residual Rockstar/Benzies brand loyalty Β Residual is putting it kindly. 99.9% of people do not know the Rockstar connection and do not know Leslie Benzies by name. I'm not including the wider casual audience in this either, but the mainstream news reading audience. American Venom, Yannerrins, Spider-Vice and 2 others 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Commander S Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 Β 4 minutes ago, Jason said: Β Residual is putting it kindly. 99.9% of people do not know the Rockstar connection and do not know Leslie Benzies by name. I'm not including the wider casual audience in this either, but the mainstream news reading audience. Β Β Good point - in fact, that was something that I didn't expect to such an extent when watching live reaction coverage from various outlets. Aside from people who are either super into Rockstar stuff (which puts them closer to the average poster around these parts), or people who really follow the history of game development, younger people (by which I mean 'late 20s' - !!) who just play/review games ...didn't really seem to pick up on the connection. I expect those folk might not even blink if Sam Houser showed up - not unless someone like Geoff K.Β specficallyΒ announced him as "Sam Houser ofΒ Rockstar Games" (at which point people wouldΒ reallyΒ pay attention). Because yeah, the layperson (even in enthusiast gaming circles - don't even start on just the vast majority of casual buyers) knows "Rockstar" simply as a faceless entity that spits out those fancy games that people like. Simply put, people know 'Rockstar the brand' much more than the actual human beings behind it - and that doesn't really help Benzies/BaRB/Everywhere much when he's not part of said brand anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 25 Share Posted August 25 It's intentional that Rockstar is like that as well, unlike the majority of major studios/publishers, R* has no real face. Some might know the Houser's by name from text interviews but that's about it. Β Meanwhile the first person we see with Everywhere is Leslie Benzies. Is this a bad thing? Not really, but it's an interesting one given what we know about his departure from R* and how his relationship with the Houser's may have deteriorated. American Venom 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzzyBlues Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Man... WTF is this game. I'm still confused. Spider-Vice 1 Dan Houser's personal barber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyMax Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 2 hours ago, IzzyBlues said: Man... WTF is this game. I'm still confused. What is EVERYWHERE? Everywhere is a new game that seamlessly blends gameplay, adventure, creativity and discovery in an all-new multi world gaming experience that redefines how players connect with one another and with the digital world around them. Β Brief explanation by Leslie Benzies We want the community to build this, we want it to be their world, we want them to tell their stories in the game. I think is human nature to navigate uncharted territory, to find a place that we're free to explore, to be creative, to share amazing experiences Β Gamescom 2022 Presentation At Gamescom 2022, Build A Rocket Boy shared a teaser trailer for Everywhere along with some words from Leslie Benzies and the development team. Watch Here Β Game Graphics and Art Styles Everywhere has two art styles. Realistic and Stylized. Stay tuned to Build a Rocket Boy's official channels to find out more in the future. Β Genre MMO, Open World. Leslie and his team have said that the game won't fit in any existing genre, but in a mix of them or something new. Β Setting In the near future, technology has brought humanity to the precipice of a world shifting change. There are those who want to use this technology to advantage only themselves, and those who want to use it to help all humankind. Will we look to the stars? Or stare only at our feet? Will we be inspired? Or live in fear? Thereβs a war between good and evil in the hearts of men and women. Everything is changing. And thereβs no going back. Β Release Date Adam Whiting, assistant game director at Build a Rocket Boy announced at Gamescom that Everywhere will be released in 2023. Β Development Everywhere has been in development since 2016 by Build a Rocket Boy, founded by Leslie Benzies. The game runs on Unreal Engine 5. Edited August 27 by MightyMax IzzyBlues 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 hours ago, IzzyBlues said: Man... WTF is this game. I'm still confused. Β I can describe it in much simpler and much more accurate terms mate, don't you worry. Β It's Roblox. Β Roblox with, potentially, NFT's. Spider-Vice and IzzyBlues 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MightyMax Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Jason said: Β I can describe it in much simpler and much more accurate terms mate, don't you worry. Β It's Roblox. Β Roblox with, potentially, NFT's. Hello everyone, Β Weβre seeing some conversation on NFTs/Cryptos that are prompted by some of our open positions on our website. These are research positions, as we do not like dismissing new technologies only because others havenβt found a solution for them yet. We are building Everywhere on Unreal Engine 5, not the blockchain. We are creating a new world for players, where we come together to play, watch, create, share, and so much more! Β We hope this helps clarify some of the speculations around this topic. Β "We are building Everywhere on Unreal Engine 5, not the blockchain" I see people complaining about this, but I think some of you are misunderstanding what I think they really mean by it. They're not trying to mislead you into thinking that the blockchain is a game engine. What they mean is that the game concept does NOT revolve about the blockchain technology. It's a game that runs on Unreal Engine 5 and therefore it has many established gaming elements, and NFTs are not one of them right now. Edited August 27 by MightyMax Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 1 minute ago, MightyMax said: Hello everyone, Β Weβre seeing some conversation on NFTs/Cryptos that are prompted by some of our open positions on our website. These are research positions, as we do not like dismissing new technologies only because others havenβt found a solution for them yet. We are building Everywhere on Unreal Engine 5, not the blockchain. We are creating a new world for players, where we come together to play, watch, create, share, and so much more! Β We hope this helps clarify some of the speculations around this topic. Β Oh we saw it, and we all pretty much agreed (including people in the replies to that comment, I believe) that the only thing they did with that confirm is make people think there are indeed NFT's/blockchain stuff in the game. Β It wasn't a denial of anything lol. Commander S and Spider-Vice 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzzyBlues Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 What the f*ck is a Roblox Yannerrins, Spider-Vice and Commander S 3 Dan Houser's personal barber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 4 minutes ago, IzzyBlues said: What the f*ck is a Roblox Β god you're a f*cking boomer Commander S, IzzyBlues, Yannerrins and 2 others 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IzzyBlues Posted August 27 Share Posted August 27 Just now, Jason said: Β god you're a f*cking boomer @Spider-Vice are you just going to let him talk to me like that? Commander S and motomami 2 Dan Houser's personal barber Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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