How do you feel about non-contact racing?

[TheRealDadBeard]

I can't race contact races anymore, my heart can't take no more. I rage pretty hard when some kid tries to crash me off the track. After i started driving non contact i won waaaaay more races and it is extremely relaxing. I put on a nice radio station and just have fun driving. It is soooooo much better. I love racing but this is bullsh*t and no don't do it the GTA way. It's a race and not a GTA race. Stick to the rules.

 

I today had two people complaining, that was the first time ever. Usually when I'm battling at the front theres friendly chat like gg and so on. Even after winning like 10 races in a row people were like: "Noo Dadbeard don't go lets play". I think that has something to do that i don't play on consoles where all those kids are. Most of the time people get salty messages it's on consoles. PC has modders but thats much better than whiners.

 

If you're insulting me, etc. i just go to you profile, block you and kick you from the lobby, easy. I won't stress my nerves any further and can relax.

 

That being said, contact is a good thing if you're racing with people that obey the rules. I used to play many racing games back in the day and it's just a part of racing but not in GTA, forget that quick.

[JuniorChubb]

Sure, but again what does that really change about the racing itself?

It makes it more sociable.

 

That is just personal experience, I didn't say it has any effect on the racing itself (I would go into how racing with others, even ghosts can effect your performance but there is little point as your opinion is set).

 

You said you might as well be 'in your own race' than race non-contact. I was pointing out that being able to interact with your friends while racing is something you can do with non-contact racing but not while racing alone, and it can improves the experience. You can talk about how you approach different corners, where a player improved exit speed on a corner to ovetake another player, trash talking etc are all things you will miss by racing alone that are on offer from racing non-contact.

 

You might not think these things to be improvements, but there is no arguing that they are differences between non-contact and 'being in your own race'.

[SHADOW OPS]

It's totally acceptable.

[LambentBunny]

I prefer contact but when you are in a lobby with 15 other randoms and ESP on stunt races with three car length tracks non contact is almost a must. Too many people just dont know how to race in this game or even just race clean.

[Soverflaith]

Races with 12+ players are hell with contact. Players usually bump into each other like that's the purpose of the race.

[Arrows to Athens]

I prefer contact but when you are in a lobby with 15 other randoms and ESP on stunt races with three car length tracks non contact is almost a must. Too many people just dont know how to race in this game or even just race clean.

I've noticed most players don't even use their brakes. They just go full throttle into corners and end up rear ending you. Scumbags!

 

Why do I sometimes spin out when I hit another car from behind, but they keep on going as if nothing happened? I was going on a loop and stupid slipstream made me go into the back of this guy's car, and it spun me out.

It's lag. Your game registers a collision but theirs doesn't.

 

The amount of scumbaggery in this game, I swear...

[.Vooodu.]

 

I prefer contact but when you are in a lobby with 15 other randoms and ESP on stunt races with three car length tracks non contact is almost a must. Too many people just dont know how to race in this game or even just race clean.

I've noticed most players don't even use their brakes. They just go full throttle into corners and end up rear ending you. Scumbags!

 

 

 

If you take a corner and apex it as tight as you can on the inside then wide out.. You basically block the player trying to pitt or smash. Which is what players should do IF a pack of hungry horny public racers are behind them.

 

The only time players are really an issue is with catch up on.. and straights. Its the corners where good drivers and racers gain distance on the sh*tty ones.

 

For me.. Its the straights that annoy the sh*t out of me if catch up is on.. Watching someone who i just blocked and re-verse pitted catch up 20 seconds later to attempt it again is beyond annoying.

 

Which is why i always quit catch up races that are all long straight races. No corners... Not staying in that sh*t..lol

Edited March 8, 2017 by .Vooodu.

[.Vooodu.]

 

 

The amount of scumbaggery in this game, I swear...

 

 

 

 

Lag is a bitch in this game.

 

When i was part of racing crew.. And we all knew we where all driving clean.. We would always see this happen.

 

 

Whats funny is seeing the video footage from both players involved in the crash.. Because on one players screen there is no contact at all.. On the other players screen, its full on SMASH fest...lol

Edited March 8, 2017 by .Vooodu.

[dimitrispgr]

I like both but look this

 

 

[TheGrantWalks]

I try to host as much as I can because I HATE contact races.

 

Catch-up sucks and other people suck. If you want to beat me do it by being better than me, not because you know how to be an asshole or because the computer won't let me burn you when I'm in first.

[CarnageRacing00]

Ever seen a Non-Contact race turn into a Contact race part way through? Just happened the other day, I saved a clip from it. Started out Non-Contact as selected by the lobby leader, think it was the 2nd or 3rd checkpoint and everyone turns opaque again, and suddenly crashing commences... but slip stream was still turned off.

 

I'll upload the clip if anyone wants to see it.

[CarnageRacing00]

Bah here's the video anyway.

 

 

[kenmy13999]

Ever seen a Non-Contact race turn into a Contact race part way through? Just happened the other day, I saved a clip from it. Started out Non-Contact as selected by the lobby leader, think it was the 2nd or 3rd checkpoint and everyone turns opaque again, and suddenly crashing commences... but slip stream was still turned off.

 

I'll upload the clip if anyone wants to see it.

Happens sometimes when someone leaves

[Xiled]

When someone spectates than leaves it can do that. Been a bug for a long time now. People like non contact just to avoid the cluster f*ck of every race start. Drive 10 feet oh a corner everything becomes a demo derby. I only curb boost at the start of races to get away from people in standard races. There were people asking for the host to change it to contact when they joined. He left it non contact and the people asking to change it to contact both did not finish. Non contact races are more skillful because its all down to your driving.

Edited March 12, 2017 by Xiled

[Jahgee]

Contact, if I wanted to race without contact I'd just hotlap by myself.

 

That being said, your poll is poorly made, as I don't care if others are smashing each other or even me, but I don't go out of my way to hit people, so none of the poll options are how I feel

[HamwithCheese]

You guys make it sound like money isn't a big deal. Racing, and beating people, give you a substantial amount of money with these events, like 70 grand for some races.

[lol232]

Catchup should be f*cking deleted. Only time it's justified is in GTA races, since the purpose of GTA races is to fight all the way and not get lucky early on to avoid carnage and just drive like it's nothing for the rest of the race.

Other than that, anyone who insists on catchup being on is usually a noob.

 

The only downside when it comes to no-contact is the fact that the person in pole position has an advantage. Your skill doesn't really matter if the guy ahead of you is just as good as you, you can't get ahead.

Rockstar should make it so that in non-contact races, everyone starts at the same spot.

Edited March 13, 2017 by lol232

[CarnageRacing00]

Catchup should be f*cking deleted. Only time it's justified is in GTA races, since the purpose of GTA races is to fight all the way and not get lucky early on to avoid carnage and just drive like it's nothing for the rest of the race.

Other than that, anyone who insists on catchup being on is usually a noob.

 

The only downside when it comes to no-contact is the fact that the person in pole position has an advantage. Your skill doesn't really matter if the guy ahead of you is just as good as you, you can't get ahead.

Rockstar should make it so that in non-contact races, everyone starts at the same spot.

Or just make it so slip streaming still works. Drafting is a real thing. Edited March 13, 2017 by CarnageRacing00

[HamwithCheese]

 

Catchup should be f*cking deleted. Only time it's justified is in GTA races, since the purpose of GTA races is to fight all the way and not get lucky early on to avoid carnage and just drive like it's nothing for the rest of the race.

Other than that, anyone who insists on catchup being on is usually a noob.

 

The only downside when it comes to no-contact is the fact that the person in pole position has an advantage. Your skill doesn't really matter if the guy ahead of you is just as good as you, you can't get ahead.

Rockstar should make it so that in non-contact races, everyone starts at the same spot.

Or just make it so slip streaming still works. Drafting is a real thing.

It's not that profound at 120 miles an hour. 200 maybe, but not 120.

[Dr Labuschagne]

I like it, if only I could afford a really fast super I'd win all the time. The fast that is separates the skilled from the idiotic c*nts of the community...

[CarnageRacing00]

 

 

Catchup should be f*cking deleted. Only time it's justified is in GTA races, since the purpose of GTA races is to fight all the way and not get lucky early on to avoid carnage and just drive like it's nothing for the rest of the race.

Other than that, anyone who insists on catchup being on is usually a noob.

 

The only downside when it comes to no-contact is the fact that the person in pole position has an advantage. Your skill doesn't really matter if the guy ahead of you is just as good as you, you can't get ahead.

Rockstar should make it so that in non-contact races, everyone starts at the same spot.

Or just make it so slip streaming still works. Drafting is a real thing.

It's not that profound at 120 miles an hour. 200 maybe, but not 120.You'd be surprised.

 

With two otherwise evenly matched vehicles, any amount of wind resistance will make a difference.

Edited March 13, 2017 by CarnageRacing00

[Norman_Greige]

Contact works with racers who know how to use it to win. If an idiot is troll-blocking the track or something, it's very annoying. But I actually enjoy being out-dueled sometimes. Much respect to someone who knows how to intelligently gain the upper hand.

 

Winning in non-contact, as someone stated, mostly comes down to where you spawn at the start. It can be fun to just study others' techniques but it grows tiresome after awhile. I get it for new racers, and will hang around to share cash and points for a bit, but soon I'll be looking for a contact race with high-ranked racers who pick and choose their moments to trip me up.

[CarnageRacing00]

I'll put it this way.

 

In real racing, you do qualifying to determine starting position. Best individual lap qualifying time earns the pole position.

 

But why would you put the fastest guy at the front? Doesn't that make it unfair? Not really. Not in real racing, anyhow.

In real racing, the split between first and, let's say, third, maybe even down to 5th or lower, are typically fractions of a second. So even though the "fastest" guy starts in front, 2nd and 3rd fastest are almost literally right on his bumper, and as a trailing car, all it takes a one strategic maneuver to muscle-out the lead car by forcing them out of the fastest racing line. Since, you know, two objects can't take up the same physical space and all... and it's either of the driver's prerogative to yield to the other in certain situations.

 

For example, let's say you're the lead car. I'm trying to pass you. Coming into a turn, I want to cut inside of you and force you out of that perfect line through the turn, inevitably slowing you down so I can pass.

 

How it works is this - if we go into the turn, and my front bumper is past your front door, I have the right-of-way and you must push up to give me room to pass. You CAN'T just cut down on the turn and put your door across my bumper; if you do, and I spin you out, YOU are the cause of that incident and will be penalized as such.

 

Conversely, if I'm trying to edge you out going into a turn, if I do NOT have my bumper past your door, I have to back off and allow you to take your line.

 

The rules for blocking can be a little murky, but in general you are to hold your racing line at all times and only move from it if someone has successfully initiated an overtake (passed your driver's door going into the turn). You're not allowed to swerve back and forth and block other cars from passing you - they have to try and take your racing line from you, but if you move off of your racing line to block them from passing you can be penalized.

 

 

Now, of course, this is GTA. Even the players who think they're "legit" racers don't even know about real racing rules. They don't know the rules for passing, they don't know the rules for blocking, they don't know any of it. That's why so many of the self-proclaimed "pro racers" opt to race non-contact; they think it's a more legit racing experience. It's not. FAR from it.

 

It's a safer racing experience, it's a cleaner racing experience, but it is, for all intents an purposes, no different than running hot laps and posting your best time against the best times of other drivers. That's what non-contact amounts to, and anyone arguing about that really doesn't have enough of a grasp on what constitutes wheel to wheel racing.

 

 

That said, it's VERY hard to find a group of people willing to follow the rules of racing - giving way to another driver who has successfully begun overtaking you; NOT blocking on straights (or anywhere); not falling in line when and where necessary and instead forcing drivers who have the right-of-way to move out of YOUR way lest they crash into you and spin themselves out.

 

That's not to mention the majority of players who intentionally crash and smash.

 

 

So yes, if you want to run your best times against other people's best times, race non-contact. It's not going to tell you who the better driver is, though. A driver who can win a race against other drivers who are all similarly skilled AND following the rules of racing is likely to be more skilled than someone who can turn fast laps on a track with no other racing traffic. Knowing how to overtake, knowing how to legally block overtake attempts (using the turns), knowing when to let someone overtake for your own benefit... those things require more skill and knowledge than simply knowing when to brake and when to accelerate.

Edited March 13, 2017 by CarnageRacing00

[Above Omnipotence]

LOL Fast racers don't think non-contact is "legit", we race non-contact so that we don't have to worry about dirty racers, and to see who's actually faster. Knowing when to brake, accelerate, apex, and taking corners correctly the fastest you can without messing up most definitely takes skill. The same is applied to contact racing as well, as we play both contact and non-contact. To say that the above doesn't take skill is pretty much an insult to folks that're actually good at racing.

[Madhorse]

Now, of course, this is GTA. Even the players who think they're "legit" racers don't even know about real racing rules. They don't know the rules for passing, they don't know the rules for blocking, they don't know any of it. That's why so many of the self-proclaimed "pro racers" opt to race non-contact; they think it's a more legit racing experience. It's not. FAR from it.

 

 

Typically the fast racers are also interested in real life motorsports and know the general rules for things you mentioned. And even if they didn't, a few youtube videos would fix that.

 

It's not so much about legit experience as you would think. Atleast for me. I just think it's more fun racing non-contact with randoms than having to dodge PIT from every player on the track.

 

Racing with my race crew members is however totally different because we have rules much like in real life. Then I prefer contact on because I know I can focus on the pure racing itself and have way more fun. That's the closest thing to real life racing in this game.

[JuniorChubb]

Racing with my race crew members is however totally different because we have rules much like in real life. Then I prefer contact on because I know I can focus on the pure racing itself and have way more fun. That's the closest thing to real life racing in this game.

This is true for me, the world is not so black and white that one is always right and one is always wrong, different situations call for different settings.

[JON22]

I only like non contact when it's the sport class because my free-only-expense-is-mods Elegy farts in the faces of the expensive and ripoff recent additions (lol Spectre/Specter/?????).

[Solid Scorpion]

Voted the last option but with randoms it's pretty much impossible.

I'll run a race either way but there's some hard wired response in me where I physically can't hit someone even if they've hit me.

 

Same applies irl, several times I could have probably got a payout due to someone elses fault but self preservation kicks in and you evade.

[EvilFuture]

Non contact 100% of the time, no exceptions for me. I'm the host of my own races now and just leave matchmaking on. They usually fill all the way up fairly quickly. I actually used to hate it, but after realizing that I'm actually a damn good racer and win most of the time, I turn non contact on to increase my chances even more. I can't tell you how many times I've raged because of some prick wrecking me. Even worse is the massive pile up of cancer at the beginning of every race, and the one lucky basted who gets past it is usually who wins. Before the stunt races, my gripe was slipstream and especially catchup. Non contact turns those off by default.

 

So, for the people who join my lobbies and spam me with messages like "turn contact on. I want to wreck you boring pussies" (that was an actual message I got), you can get the f*ck out if you don't like it.

[Jahgee]

People on their non-contact high horse usually fail to realize that in real racing, contact management is a skill.

 

Bragging about winning without contact is almost as bad as bragging about winning with catchup, you're removing an essential skill to the art of racing.