universetwisters Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 I'm sure we all know the rumor that Franklin was supposed to be killed in The Third Way and Lamar was supposed to take over his role. Out of wondering, where did this come from? Does it actually have any validity or is it all just rumor that's false? Copcaller 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedinhuh Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Because there are lots of animations AND voice lines hidden within the code, said animations and voice lines are mostly the ones Franklin, Michael and Trevor uses. In fact, if you mod the game to play as Lamar, you will see that he can interact with peds the same Michael, Franklin and Trevor can. Also, I think Slink Johnson confirmed that but he had some unexpected issue and didn't had the time to record the lines, animations and etc... Now, the thing about Franklin dieing comes from the fact that one of the game endings is called DEATHWISH, the term itself is quite a foreshadow in story telling. And honestly, while playing as Lamar sounds dumb for me, the decision of which ending to pick would carry much more weight to the player's shoulders and certainly would be an interesting plot twist. Edited January 17, 2017 by pedinhuh lol232, Niobium, Copcaller and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069353797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted January 17, 2017 Author Share Posted January 17, 2017 Because there are lots of animations AND voice lines hidden within the code, said animations and voice lines are mostly the ones Franklin, Michael and Trevor uses. Are these posted anywhere else? I still kinda have my doubts since all this time, I've been hearing about things that I've never actually seen or heard for myself. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069353935 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted January 17, 2017 Share Posted January 17, 2017 (edited) Because there are lots of animations AND voice lines hidden within the code, said animations and voice lines are mostly the ones Franklin, Michael and Trevor uses. In fact, if you mod the game to play as Lamar, you will see that he can interact with peds the same Michael, Franklin and Trevor can. You can do this with almost every ped or character model. Most characters have generic "Hey" lines. The interact button just uses voice lines from this pool. Even the chimp has this. It's for director mode I believe. Edited January 17, 2017 by oCrapaCreeper Sonnу and JWeazel 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069354099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
/\rdooZ Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Honestly, I think it's just rumors. Giving you an entirely new protagonist is huge work to be done.He would have his own safehouses,clothing,reactions to peds,random events and a lot more.And that would lead to more story missions,because he's only just met Trevor,and barely knows Michael at all. I don't think Rockstar would do filler mission after the big finale... Why should Rockstar go all through all that work when he's only accesible after the final mission and you've spent the entire game playing without him, nor the slightest hint of him ever becoming playable. Lamar was never mentioned to be a part of the trio. m3ssO 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355111 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) All rumours. The only known fact is that Lamar was meant to have a larger part in the story, but thanks to his voice actor who got himself arrested, Lamar's role was cut down to a level verging on pointless. It's probably the reason why Franklin's character didn't see much development. Edited January 18, 2017 by Cheatz_N_Trickz Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355112 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error2k Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) Nope. Those are not rumours. Lamar voice actor confirmed that Lamar character was supposed to be playable and he was surprised that people somehow know about that. It was on Reddit AMA I think? He also did AMA on GTAForums once, but I think it was on Reddit. @edit There, found it! : https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2it0mk/i_am_gerald_slink_johnson_voice_of_lamar_davis_of/cl59e6u/ So yeah, he was supposed to be played after ending C. Question: Is it true that Lamar was originally planned to be a playable character when choosing SPOILER ending C? Answer: Wow! Where did you hear that from? Imma keep it 1000 with you, originally there was gonna be a different story, with Lamar being deeper involved. However, I caught a case in real life that had me "tied up" for a few months and Rockstar had to move on, so the story became the one you see on GTA V. However, I am EXTREMELY thankful to Rockstar games for sticking with me through such a rough time and allowing me to continue my role as Lamar once I was available to work. Edited January 18, 2017 by quxxo D T, UltraGizmo64, Cobhthaigh and 2 others 5 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355117 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Which part of that says he was supposed to be playable then? Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355141 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 None of it. That's the point. It's just speculation/rumors based on sh*t people found in the files. lydianduck 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355178 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gunziness Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Imagine if he wasnt f*cking arrested. R* should have picked a different voice actor then (if it was possible that is), story would have been much better I believe. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheatz/Trickz Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 None of it. That's the point. It's just speculation/rumors based on sh*t people found in the files. Ehh..the guy above posted a quote from Lamar's VA and used it as proof that Lamar was supposed to be playable. Except that quote does not say anything about Lamar being playable, only that he was "deeper involved". That's what I was getting at. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355472 Share on other sites More sharing options...
/\rdooZ Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Nope. Those are not rumours. Lamar voice actor confirmed that Lamar character was supposed to be playable and he was surprised that people somehow know about that. It was on Reddit AMA I think? He also did AMA on GTAForums once, but I think it was on Reddit. @edit There, found it! : https://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/2it0mk/i_am_gerald_slink_johnson_voice_of_lamar_davis_of/cl59e6u/ So yeah, he was supposed to be played after ending C. Question: Is it true that Lamar was originally planned to be a playable character when choosing SPOILER ending C? Answer: Wow! Where did you hear that from? Imma keep it 1000 with you, originally there was gonna be a different story, with Lamar being deeper involved. However, I caught a case in real life that had me "tied up" for a few months and Rockstar had to move on, so the story became the one you see on GTA V. However, I am EXTREMELY thankful to Rockstar games for sticking with me through such a rough time and allowing me to continue my role as Lamar once I was available to work. Being deeper involved doesn't mean he was meant to be a protagonist. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355564 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 None of it. That's the point. It's just speculation/rumors based on sh*t people found in the files. Ehh..the guy above posted a quote from Lamar's VA and used it as proof that Lamar was supposed to be playable. Except that quote does not say anything about Lamar being playable, only that he was "deeper involved". That's what I was getting at.Haha, totally missed the part where he was saying that they weren't rumors. Yeah, no. They totally were - and his voice actor squashed them. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069355884 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Femme Fatale Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 (edited) I thought the rumor was that he was originally meant to replace Michael or Trevor when you kill either one, not Franklin. Edited January 18, 2017 by Achlys Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069356053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Error2k Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 (edited) "Is it true that Lamar was originally planned to be a playable character when choosing SPOILER ending C?" "Wow! Where did you hear that from?" Then why is he acting surprised? He doesn't tell that he was supposed to be playable, but that's in the question and the voice actor kinda suggests it. Edited January 19, 2017 by quxxo Copcaller 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069356265 Share on other sites More sharing options...
oCrapaCreeper Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 "Is it true that Lamar was originally planned to be a playable character when choosing SPOILER ending C?" "Wow! Where did you hear that from?" Then why is he acting surprised? He doesn't tell that he was supposed to be playable, but that's in the question and the voice actor kinda suggests it. If I read something that dumb I'd be surprised too. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069356309 Share on other sites More sharing options...
.Ryan. Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 All I can say is thank f*cking God. Lamar's an idiot and I just don't find anything appealing about him. Franklin's a boring and stale character, but atleast he's not an annoying dumbass. Dr. Robotnik, lol232, REVENGE777 and 2 others 4 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069356555 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prasdana21 Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Well, Lamar's voice actor stated in an interview, so no, it wasn't a rumour. I understand why Rockstar gave Lamar a role in the C ending, it's because we supposed to play as him after Franklin got killed in the gun battle againts FIB and Merryweather. m3ssO 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069356583 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp1dell Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 The voice actor's response is denying the rumor. In no way does he confirm it was originally planned. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069357622 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadowfennekin Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I was honestly expecting Franklin to die when I hit C for the very first time. I didn't really care about him compared to the other two. Playing as Lamar would have been cool though Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069357658 Share on other sites More sharing options...
UAL Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 All I can say is thank f*cking God. Lamar's an idiot and I just don't find anything appealing about him. Franklin's a boring and stale character, but atleast he's not an annoying dumbass. This tbh, he had a few funny moments but overall he was just another gimmicky character that they tried too hard to make funny. He wasn't serious enough to be a playable character. PapaTheIcon and .Ryan. 2 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1069357963 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeMarDeRozanFan Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 1/19/2017 at 4:26 PM, UAL said: This tbh, he had a few funny moments but overall he was just another gimmicky character that they tried too hard to make funny. He wasn't serious enough to be a playable character. "Yee yee ass haircut" PapaTheIcon 1 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071573703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
D T Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 1/18/2017 at 5:18 AM, Error2k said: Answer: Quote Wow! Where did you hear that from? Imma keep it 1000 with you, originally there was gonna be a different story, with Lamar being deeper involved. However, I caught a case in real life that had me "tied up" for a few months and Rockstar had to move on, so the story became the one you see on GTA V. However, I am EXTREMELY thankful to Rockstar games for sticking with me through such a rough time and allowing me to continue my role as Lamar once I was available to work. Release the Houser cut. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071573717 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cutter De Blanc Posted July 2, 2021 Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 1/19/2017 at 11:18 AM, cp1dell said: The voice actor's response is denying the rumor. In no way does he confirm it was originally planned. It doesn't seem like he's confirming or denying the rumor Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071573718 Share on other sites More sharing options...
universetwisters Posted July 2, 2021 Author Share Posted July 2, 2021 I just wanna know what Slink did to get arrested lmao Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071573739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HEUL Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 Maybe Lamar would have a series of side-missions after the endgame. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071575185 Share on other sites More sharing options...
billiejoearmstrong8 Posted July 5, 2021 Share Posted July 5, 2021 This forum has taught me that pretty much every "fact" I've heard about things that were planned/scrapped from GTA games is 100% just made up by fans. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071575245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
French Fries Posted July 6, 2021 Share Posted July 6, 2021 I would have rather played as Lamar than Franklin. Lamar ain't sitting around the house ironing his shirts. Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071575953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CynicalMexican Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 On 1/19/2017 at 2:26 PM, UAL said: This tbh, he had a few funny moments but overall he was just another gimmicky character that they tried too hard to make funny. He wasn't serious enough to be a playable character. Yeah. Lamar is a comic relief character. Comic relief characters as the main protagonist usually don't work out Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071577123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
REVENGE777 Posted July 7, 2021 Share Posted July 7, 2021 On 1/19/2017 at 5:26 PM, UAL said: This tbh, he had a few funny moments but overall he was just another gimmicky character that they tried too hard to make funny. He wasn't serious enough to be a playable character. In retrospect, this was complete bullsh*t. R* didnt have to try to force his character to be funny, he just was. Slink Johnson is a comedian and a damn good one at that. How come Trevor gets to be a comic relief protagonist but it doesn’t make sense for Lamar? I know which one I think is more compelling. MrPikmin16, NightmanCometh96, CynicalMexican and 1 other 4 Link to comment https://gtaforums.com/topic/879786-why-do-people-say-lamar-was-to-replace-franklin-in-the-third-way/#findComment-1071577334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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