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Jacobmaate

How Terrorism is changing

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Jacobmaate

When people think of "Terror Attacks", perhaps the first thing that comes to mind are things such as: shootings, bombings, hijackings.

Especially when it comes to the west, the biggest attacks that we remember, tend to be along those lines,

for instance 9/11 in the USA, 7/7 in the UK, and more recently the attacks in Paris just over a year ago now. The US one involved plane hijackings, the UK one involved Suicide Bombers, and the France one involved Gunman & Suicide Bombers.

 

Those of course are just some examples,

however, since 2001, Security Forces around the world have had to step up and try to prevent things like this happening, and so purchases of guns, other hazardous materials could end up being put on the Government's radar, and so, theres a chance that Police Forces/Security Forces could pick up on that sort of suspicious behaviour, and prevent attacks from happening.

 

Yet the successes achieved by some terrorists lately, prove that maybe aquiring guns, bombs, etc. is no longer going to be essential to carry out attacks.

In July 2016, the attack in Nice, a truck rammed into a croud and killed 86 people, and injured a staggering 434.

Then in December 2016, in Berlin, a truck rammed into a croud and killed 12, and injured 56 others.

And yet again, earlier today, in Israel, 4 were killed, and 15 were injured after a truck rammed into a crowd yet again.

 

Something as simple as taking a truck, or lorry and ploughing it into a crowd seems to be so effective for attackers now, that it is really raising concerns.

 

How on earth, can we start to maintain control when we are no longer needing to look for firearms, and explosives, but simply looking out for lorries and trucks which may have been hijacked or even legally owned. It is really worrying that this is the current issue that we have. What precautions are going to be made to sort out issues like this, because if this is the way attackers are going to go, it'll be very effective for them. They have no need to smuggle in weapons or have to avoid being spotted acting suspiciously in public, they could quite easily continue with this current problem that is arising.

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Happy Hunter

Get out of their countries, stop kicking off BS wars, stop funding them, etc.

 

Simple as that really - no amount of restrictions on what people can own will ever realistically stop it. Anything is a weapon in the right hands.

Edited by Happy Hunter

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Jacobmaate

That would help, but with the way that this crap is going, it'll never end like that.

Its a damn vicious cycle. :dontgetit:

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sivispacem

It's not a new phenomenon, it's been used for decades albeit typically as a precursor to suicide bombings. It's not an unexpected trend given the emphasis most countries have placed on tackling more conventional terrorism. From a purely defensive point of view, there's quite a lot which can be done to prevent these kinds of attacks. Here in the UK almost every pedestrianised area has access blocked with reinforced concrete bollards; this was part of the countrywide hardening which took place in response to the threat posted by IRA car bombs during their campaign against the British mainland.

 

I think you could argue as nauseum about how much effect Western interventions in the Middle East have had on Islamist terrorism, though it's worth noting it existed as a phenomenon long before any of the current ones and will continue to exist long after they finish. Some countries, again including the UK, have been comparatively successful from the perspective of unearthing terrorist plots and the suchlike (again, in our case a legacy of the conflict in Northern Ireland), and this combined with continued work in counter-radicalisation should ensure the risk is minimised.

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Uncle Sikee Atric

When it comes to truck safety, the manufacturers themselves are helping develop tech to stop these events from ever happening in the first place....

 

 

This is a demo of the Volvo automatic emergency braking system that works with pretty much any obstacle, it even locks the fifth wheel to prevent jack knifing of the trailer. But the point is, if someone tries to use the truck in the same way as they did in Nice or Berlin, the ECU of the truck will stop them automatically and you cannot bypass it.

 

The tech is now standard on most of the new trucks and is an EU standard within the next year or so, in effect all new trucks cannot be used as weapons.

Edited by Uncle Sikee Atric

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Svip

Actually, the reason why the lorry in Berlin did not kill as many as the one in Nice was because it was a newer lorry, and it was constantly trying to brake.

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Darth Yokel

When it comes to truck safety, the manufacturers themselves are helping develop tech to stop these events from ever happening in the first place....

I was about to talk about this. Smart vehicles can solve this problem to a certain degree. And in the future smart weapons that won't work unless they're fired by the registered owner. Obviously hacking such devices will pose a danger and it's hard to get rid of existing weapons, but it's a start and it's at least another obstacle for potential terrorists or maniacs of any kind.

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Pete4000uk

Time was, you needed a bomb to be a terrorist, now you just need a car or a ax or something.

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sivispacem

Terrorism isn't really a new phenomenon. Violent rebels against Roman rule like the Sicarii and Zealots during the 1st century AD we're effectively terrorists. The transition to less conventional weapons us a direct reaction to more law enforcement focus on more traditional armed terrorism.

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Darth Yokel

Time was, you needed a bomb to be a terrorist, now you just need a car or a ax or something.

I'm conflicted. Should we call that the "good old days" of terrorism?

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Uncle Sikee Atric

It is more the fact there is no such thing as a traditional terrorist....

 

One mans' martyr is another mans' terrorist, whatever weapon (words even) they choose to use.

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Eutyphro

The fact that we now see trucks as potential weapons because a region has been so destroyed that we have to consider that some people might want to drive vehicles into random crowds is f*cking disgusting. It's good that there are extra safety measures for public events under these circumstances, and it is the right thing to do, but it's a treatment of the symptoms and not of the actual problem.

 

 

the "good old days" of terrorism?

 

lmao

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sivispacem

People have been driving vehicles into other people for pretty much as long as vehicles have existed. Whether they do so because they're mentally unstable, intoxicated or a terrorist is sort of irrelevant in the grand scheme of things, any multi tonne lump of metal travelling at high speed is a potential threat.

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SouthLand

You are missing a very important point. Each European terrorist organization that have existed or still exist in Europe (IRA, ETA, RAF...) had a structure with a hierarchy similar to the military. There where many commandos but in the truth everybody had a boss and the bosses received orders from a bigger boss and so on until you got to the main responsible leader. That means that police could infiltrate undercover cops (Which they did) and fight terrorism through the inside of the terrorist group, in other words, they ended up being always one step ahead.

 

With Islamic Terrorism is a completely different story. Yes there is a "hierarchy" but there are a lot of "Lonely wolves" that are just regular citizens that become more radical in their religious believes and in the name of ISIS or any other terrorist group, they drive a motor vehicle into a crowd, or just get there hands into a rifle and shoot everything that moves. Those terrorist attacks might be planned by ISIS, however, a lot of them are planned only by the terrorist itself without ISIS knowing even who this guy is and that's a huge problem.

 

Just remember, It's easier for the police to arrest the leaders of an organized crime gang than to stop a single lunatic nobody knows about and plans to go on a theater and shoot everybody.

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sivispacem

You are missing a very important point. Each European terrorist organization that have existed or still exist in Europe (IRA, ETA, RAF...) had a structure with a hierarchy similar to the military

Not true, actually. This certainly WAS the case with the IRA up until the mid-1970, but from that point onwards they began to adopt a cell-based structure with much looser command and control that was far closer to that exhibited by terrorist organisations like al-Qaeda.

 

Many Marxist-Leninist groups have aimed to inspire the idea of "Leaderless Resistance" which is quite similar in principle to the radicalisation approach taken by Islamist terrorist groups.

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HeavyDuke

When it comes to truck safety, the manufacturers themselves are helping develop tech to stop these events from ever happening in the first place....

 

 

This is a demo of the Volvo automatic emergency braking system that works with pretty much any obstacle, it even locks the fifth wheel to prevent jack knifing of the trailer. But the point is, if someone tries to use the truck in the same way as they did in Nice or Berlin, the ECU of the truck will stop them automatically and you cannot bypass it.

 

The tech is now standard on most of the new trucks and is an EU standard within the next year or so, in effect all new trucks cannot be used as weapons.

Maybe Ford should borrow that technology for their Mustangs.

 

 

Anyways, they also could just steal old trucks.

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Uncle Sikee Atric

 

When it comes to truck safety, the manufacturers themselves are helping develop tech to stop these events from ever happening in the first place....

 

 

This is a demo of the Volvo automatic emergency braking system that works with pretty much any obstacle, it even locks the fifth wheel to prevent jack knifing of the trailer. But the point is, if someone tries to use the truck in the same way as they did in Nice or Berlin, the ECU of the truck will stop them automatically and you cannot bypass it.

 

The tech is now standard on most of the new trucks and is an EU standard within the next year or so, in effect all new trucks cannot be used as weapons.

Maybe Ford should borrow that technology for their Mustangs.

 

 

Anyways, they also could just steal old trucks.

 

 

 

The age of the truck isn't relevant, of course they can steal older vehicles but these will be phased out as they age, so the threat of vehicular attack in this way will decrease over time. The fact the tech is becoming an industry standard on new vehicles is the point....

 

Volvo are legendary in their safety practices and this will will be shrunk, adapted and fit in the same way into their cars as soon as it is feasible (early adaptions already are), so cars and other smaller vehicles will benefit and become less of a threat over time as well.

Edited by Uncle Sikee Atric

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DerangedCrackhead

 

You are missing a very important point. Each European terrorist organization that have existed or still exist in Europe (IRA, ETA, RAF...) had a structure with a hierarchy similar to the military

Not true, actually. This certainly WAS the case with the IRA up until the mid-1970, but from that point onwards they began to adopt a cell-based structure with much looser command and control that was far closer to that exhibited by terrorist organisations like al-Qaeda.

 

Many Marxist-Leninist groups have aimed to inspire the idea of "Leaderless Resistance" which is quite similar in principle to the radicalisation approach taken by Islamist terrorist groups.

 

Indeed. Take, for example, the autonomous groups of the seventies in Italy, which were encouraged to operate without any kind of centralized lead -this doesn't include RB and, if I recall correctly, Lotta Continua-.

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ShadowPerson

Here back in the 60s to early 80s we had our domestic "terrorist group" called "Liga Comunista 23 de Septiembre" (September 23 Commusit Leage) was a marxist leninist group classfied back them as "guerrilla group" today they could probably be classified as "terrorist organisation" by their crimes,

 

Their mission was to destabilize the government in order to start a revolution like the October Revolution. Their modus operandi was bank robbery, murder police officers, kidnapping rich or high profile people for big ransoms to afford the nation wide net of followers and supply them with weapons. Between their most notable crimes was the failed kidnapping attempt and murder of the busnissesman Eugenio Garza Sada and later the failed ambush and muder attempt of the fist lady back in the 70s. Not as complex like today´s Islamic terrorist group they used the same propagandistic brainwashing techniques to obtain more followers.

 

They used the lone wolf tactics for murders and small team (3 to 6) for bank robberies and kidnapping. The goverment with help of the US started a "black ops" war to hunt them down at all cost. "If they shoot, shoot back" was the policy also "no survivors" to leave a clear message to abandon ASAP the movement.

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