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Megumi

Was Obama a good president?

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AlienTwo

I just watched whatever that was last night.

 

Yes. Obama was a wonderful President and I desperately want him back.

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make total destroy

Obama turned my frog gay with chemicals.

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TheFrank

Considering who got elected after, nope.

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*DERGaming

This is really my opinion but he was a ok president he had some good points and did a lot of great things. But that whole Obama Care sh*t was awlful every person I met who had it said that they would be better off without it becuase it cost more than the hospital.

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Tchuck

This is really my opinion but he was a ok president he had some good points and did a lot of great things. But that whole Obama Care sh*t was awlful every person I met who had it said that they would be better off without it becuase it cost more than the hospital.

 

Uh, you haven't met many people then. The ACA was far more beneficial than whatever was in place before it, and will be in place after it. Get informed, frendo.

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sivispacem

Obamacare was pretty awful, objectively, but is still better than what Trump is trying to replace it with. Let's not forget the whole reason Obamacare is a ridiculous farcical compromise is because the Republicans pulled a massive hissy fit at the notion of public medicine, deeming it "socialist". Let's ignore the fact that pretty much any European country you care to name has better standards of care than the US and better survival rates for almost all major aliments, cancers aside, than the US whilst sending on average half as much per capita on healthcare.

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Svip

Considering who got elected after, nope.

By that measure, Lincoln should be the worst President, since the two Presidents he is juxtapositioned by are consistently ranked as the two worst Presidents. Indeed, they seem to compete among historians for being the worst.

 

Buchanan for so obliviously missing the civil war was happening and doing nothing to prevent it. Johnson for completely mishandling the Reconstruction policy and being impeached.

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sivispacem

I think he genuinely believes Trump is competent.

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Eutyphro

Let's not forget the whole reason Obamacare is a ridiculous farcical compromise is because the Republicans pulled a massive hissy fit at the notion of public medicine

Obama never campaigned on it, and many Democrats joined in destroying it (I think it was the senate finance committee that dumped the plan). I'd say Obama didn't make big enough of an effort to make it happen. He should've made it a central issue of his campaign, and used much more pressure to make it happen. But he was to an extent in the pockets of the insurance companies, so it isn't very surprising.

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AlienTwo

Considering who got elected after, nope.

How does this relate?

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ten-a-penny

By that logic, then King Idrees I is sh*t because Qaddafi (the very reason why Libya's ongoing through a civil war, mind you) later caused a coup and took over the country. Even though, y'know, comparing the King to Qaddafi is like comparing GTA to Skyrim.

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TheFrank

I think he genuinely believes Trump is competent.

 

Ah, you made a funny.

 

 

 

Considering who got elected after, nope.

How does this relate?

 

 

Granted Clinton was a terrible choice, but, c'mon dude.

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sivispacem

 

I think he genuinely believes Trump is competent.

Ah, you made a funny.

 

Care to explain yourself rather than filling D&D with incoherent drivel then?

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TheFrank

Always said Don was there to make make Hill look good, you thinking I like the guy is giggle worthy.

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sivispacem

Nice straw man. Anyway, them's your words. If you don't want people read "Obama is a bad president because of who followed him" as an endorsement of Trump, you should probably choose your words better.

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Clem Fandango

I read that to mean Obama set the stage for Trump's brand of right-wing populism with his lacklustre performance, not as an endorsement of Trump. Thought TheFrank has never bothered to give a detailed explanation of what he believes on any issue (or make a post longer than one sentence) and I have no idea where he stands, so who knows.

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TheFrank

Nowhere in particular, been called left-wing loony or right-wing extremist by different people.

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ten-a-penny

Nowhere in particular, been called left-wing loony or right-wing extremist by different people.

Can you just answer what we ask you without all the beeline-ing?

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Leftist Bastard

 

Nowhere in particular, been called left-wing loony or right-wing extremist by different people.

Can you just answer what we ask you without all the beeline-ing?

 

I think I can answer that question

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At least that's the vibe i'm getting here. Feel free to correct me if i'm wrong.

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SpooferJahk

Without getting into a HUGE ordeal, I feel that Obama was more or less a C grade president. I do not see him as the best, especially after the Snowden stuff and how the ACA turned out ultimately, even if he was not 100% responsible. After Bush he was a godsend since that man was a tool, but I still feel he could have done more to get over his obstacles, even if those stubborn Republicans that made it hard for him were a big one.

Though I will say as a person, man was oozing charisma, he was just one cool dude. Say what you will about his politics, but you have to admit, a leader that openly admits that after a big political event to go see the new Star Wars is awesome and adorable.

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ULPaperContact

Absolutely not. Worst in the history of the US.

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ten-a-penny

Absolutely not. Worst in the history of the US.

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You're welcome.

 

 

Also, nice Necromancy.

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ULPaperContact

 

Absolutely not. Worst in the history of the US.

 

You're welcome.

 

 

Also, nice Necromancy.

 

Jesus f*cking christ, could you have picked a bigger picture?

 

No, at least Bush did some good. Unlike Obama, who did absolutely nothing positive whatsoever.

 

Please, if it's still on the front page, it's fair game to post in.

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sivispacem

You're going to have to provide a bit more in the way of explanation. And I don't mean one of those idiotic Gish gallop "100 bad things Obama did" blog posts that are full of factual errors but take f*cking forever to refute because they're so long.

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ULPaperContact

Foreign relations and his anti-gun agenda, to name two awful things. That'd be a nice discussion to have.

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sivispacem

Well crack on then. That's literally what D&D is for after all. In what way is Obama's foreign policy a failure, and what "anti-gun agenda" has he perpetuated? These two statements are common flippant token criticisms put forward but seldom supported, so I'd be really keen see these explained in a coherent way.

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ULPaperContact

Sure.

"He urged Congress to reintroduce an expired ban on military-style assault weapons, such as those used in several recent mass shootings, impose limits on ammunition magazines to 10 rounds, introduce background checks on all gun sales, pass a ban on possession and sale of armor-piercing bullets." -Wikipedia

 

As for foreign policy, look at relations with Russia and Syria. It went to hell, real quick. At least with Trump Russia is, for the most part, on side.

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AlienTwo

So you judge by guns and our standing with Russia and... let me get this straight, Syria? Relations with *Syria*??

 

This kind of low information human is why Trump won.

 

Read a f*cking book.

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ten-a-penny

No, at least Bush did some good..

Yeah, like creating ISIS, invading and destroying TWO COUNTRIES because f*ck you, that's why, making the Arab World hate the US even more, killing the US economy and make it go down faster than a dinosaur falling off from space,......

 

Obama, on the other hand, created Obamacare which made healthcare affordable for poor people. Y'know, helping people who actually need help. I know. Your kind doesn't like helping the needy, which is why you blindly hate it because "I, me & myself then f*ck the rest" is your motto.

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ULPaperContact

 

 

Yeah, like creating ISIS, invading and destroying TWO COUNTRIES because f*ck you, that's why, making the Arab World hate the US even more, killing the US economy and make it go down faster than a dinosaur falling off from space,......

 

Obama, on the other hand, created Obamacare which made healthcare affordable for poor people. Y'know, helping people who actually need help. I know. Your kind doesn't like helping the needy, which is why you blindly hate it because "I, me & myself then f*ck the rest" is your motto.

 

I said it once, I'll say it again. My tax dollars are for roads and the military, I DO NOT owe anything to anyone else.

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