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Cao Ang

Was Obama a good president?

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TheFranchise

Obama cannot be VP.

There's actually no law preventing this according to my political science professor.

Obama was a good President. Even if you didn't like his politics, he was always classy, calm, and was and still is a great honest guy. He is a fine example of a steady hand. Unlike Trump who has daily meltdowns on twitter like a 10 year old, attacks the media and his enemies in absurdly petty fashion, Obama was calm, collected, and respectful. I miss him, and considering his surging poll numbers as he left office, I'm sure much of America does too.

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Svip

 

Obama cannot be VP.

There's actually no law preventing this according to my political science professor.

 

A two term President being elected Vice President would most definitely be contested, given the rules established by the 12th, 22nd and 25th amendments. The 12th amendment makes it clear that no person who is not qualified to be President can be Vice President. In other words, all requirements that apply to the Presidency also applies to the Vice Presidency.

 

The 22nd amendment says no one can be President or Acting President for more than 10 years, or be re-elected if their next term would allow them to sit out more than 10 years. And the 25th amendment makes it clear that upon removal of the President from office, the Vice President becomes the President.

 

While some argue that the 12th amendment deals with service, whereas the 22nd amendment deals with elections, I am not sure that argument would stand in the US Supreme Court. It is quite clear that the framers of the 22nd and 25th amendments meant for the same restrictions to apply to the Vice President, but given the 12th amendment's language didn't see the need to include that explicitly.

 

But we will probably never know, as the issue is unlikely to actually occur. Due to these amendments, no one will actually attempt it. So in practical terms, my statement still stands.

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countrymike84

He was not a great president at all.Trump has been keeping his promises and promotes his own supporters like me and a few on this forum. I lurk but had to give Trump some props. #MAGA

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El Dildo

Trump has been keeping his promises

such as

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Inttelix

I think Obama was America's golden president. Trump is a George Bush 2001 remake.

 

Really hope that America gives him another shot sometime around. Pretty sure his goverment will have less flaws, and less massacres-per-week.

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ten-a-penny

I think Obama was America's golden president. Trump is a George Bush 2001 remake.

 

Really hope that America gives him another shot sometime around. Pretty sure his goverment will have less flaws, and less massacres-per-week.

Holy Necro-Batman!

 

But yes, I agree.

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mr quick

I mean, lots of civilians would still be massacred in other countries due to american foreign policy, interventionism and imperialism, but they're not white americans so who cares LOL

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cj2000

I think Obama was America's golden president. Trump is a George Bush 2001 remake.

 

Really hope that America gives him another shot sometime around. Pretty sure his goverment will have less flaws, and less massacres-per-week.

Nice joke, if tallking about golden president, Kenedy or Rusevelt could feat, if going more in history Lincoln, but defenetly not Obama.

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ThatKyloRenGuy

Barack Obama? A good President? Are you legit asking a question or just telling a joke? If the first is the case, the answer is f*ck no! He only wanted black vs. white racial tension to be even worse than it already has been for years! He, alongside his VP Joe Biden and the Russian Mafia, tried to get Hillary Clinton in office. He thinks America are the “bad guys” and wants to bankrupt them. He is a socialist, he’s very anti-gun, and he is nowhere near a patriot! 

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Doctor Holliday

Is racial tension what he "wanted" or is that simply what resulted as Right-wing Conservatives overreacted to his skin color and middle name?

 

How did Hillary Clinton lose the election if the entire Obama government including Russia was working on her behalf?

 

If he thinks America is so "bad," then why did he write an entire book about his family history traveling to the United States and how important the American dream was to his identity as both a man and a politician? If he wanted the country to go bankrupt, then why did he pass a massive stimulus package and multiple jobs bills that turned around the economy and got us out of the 2008 recession?

 

If he's so "anti-gun," then why did he never pass any legislation restricting gun rights?

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sivispacem
On 6/13/2018 at 2:07 AM, ThatBenGuy said:

He is a socialist

The opinion of anyone who looks at Obama and says "socialist" should, in my view, be immediately disregarded as they evidently don't know anything about Socialism.

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Short Stay

He certainly talked well and generally allowed very many people to feel good about themselves by liking him and affirming their own world view. As to anything outwith these traits, only history will tell.

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DEALUX

He was about as good a president as you can get. All presidents pander to one side or the other. At least Obama was a smart guy and he was pretty honest. Trump is basically the opposite of that.

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S.A.C.
On 6/23/2018 at 10:42 AM, Dealux said:

At least Obama was a smart guy and he was pretty honest. 

Politicians and honesty? Yeah, right.

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Target13
On 9/9/2018 at 6:55 AM, S.A.C. said:

Politicians and honesty? Yeah, right.

I understand the stigma that politicians have but to say President Obama was not an honest politician is really naïef. Obama has had only 18 falsehoods over a period of 8 years. The current President (who is hardly a politician) has had more than 100 falsehoods in his first 10 months alone.

 

Yeah politicians lie, but so does everyone else. Doesn't mean that Obama was not an honest man.

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Original Light

In my personal opinion, he was a good man, but not a good president.

 

This isn't a political party bias for me, I think there's been great Democratic and Republican presidents. Kennedy, Reagan, and Clinton (ignoring the sex scandals) come to my mind as good presidents that created economic prosperity, and had the economy soar under their leadership. 

 

I have no doubt that there will be more good Presidents in our future, but I think the tug of war both parties are playing halts progress and nothing can really get done - regardless of who is the president. The 2020 election, for me personally, isn't going to be as significant as the 2016 election because of this. 

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Svip

Wait, didn't the economy soar under President Obama?  If that's your qualifier, then he should be on your list next to Clinton and Kennedy.

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Original Light
5 minutes ago, Svip said:

Wait, didn't the economy soar under President Obama?  If that's your qualifier, then he should be on your list next to Clinton and Kennedy.

The 2008 financial crisis had many lasting effects until 2013. It certainly wasn't Obama's fault, but I can't say he had a great two terms where the economy flourished like Reagan or Clinton did. I think Obama made good attempts at repairing the damage, but he wasn't able to really grow the economy as much as the previous presidents because of the conditions he entered the presidency under. That's why I don't view Obama in the same admirable manner that I view Reagan or Clinton. I don't think he was a bad president, which I'm in no way trying to imply. 


My state, Connecticut, has suffered immensely under both Obama's leadership and Trump's leadership. Some of it is to blame on the local government, some of it is to blame on the federal government. We can't look at everything on a national basis.


A lot of people are willing to brush aside what I mentioned and label him as "great" because of his charismatic manners, eloquent speeches, and compassion for other people - which is totally understandable. I just haven't been able to convince myself. 

 

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sivispacem

Of all the things that US Presidents are publicly held accountable for, I find economic trends most fanciful.

In practical terms, the role of the executive has pretty much zero input in the economic trends that exhibit themselves during a presidency, outlier policies notwithstanding.

Attributing success to, or lamenting slow growth because of, a President has always struck me as faintly ridiculous. 

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Original Light

I believe it's more so a president's ability to control their political party, having it work in unison, within their control, and using that to pass legislation which can effect the economy. 

 

A president is representing the country, and therefore also representing the country's economy. It's the same way a CEO represent's a company's finances.

 

People need a visualization, or rather a personification, of the economy. The first thing they will picture is the most powerful man in their government. It's human nature, something that you can't change. 

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Svip
6 hours ago, Original Light said:

I believe it's more so a president's ability to control their political party, having it work in unison, within their control, and using that to pass legislation which can effect the economy.

But Clinton presided over a Congress controlled by the opposition for most of his presidency (so did Obama for that matter), and so did Reagan.  I think of the three you mentioned, only Kennedy's party had control of Congress throughout his presidency.

 

Saying that President Obama can't reach the same level of points as Clinton, purely because of the conditions he began his presidency under, is like saying President Lincoln was a bad president, because during most of his term in office, the economy was lousy.

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sivispacem
8 hours ago, Original Light said:

I believe it's more so a president's ability to control their political party, having it work in unison, within their control, and using that to pass legislation which can effect the economy. 

Political policies can affect the economy, obviously, but the actual role of either the executive or legislature in creating economic growth is hugely overrated.

 

What's more, the impact of changes in economic policy under different administration tend not to begin until 2 years into that administration, and tend not to end until 2 years into the following one. If you look at economic growth over terms in which various administration's policies were in effect as opposed to when the administrations were, then the outcomes start to look very different. Bush Jr falls into stagnation or even negative growth, Obama does significantly better.

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Big Fat Paulie

Honestly, Obama was just another empty suit corporate politician in my opinion. He wasn't the great liberal reformer like that the Left thought he would be, and he wasn't the radical socialist like the Right thought he was.

 

In fact, most of Obama's policies were direct continuations of Bush-era policies, including the bailouts, the continuation of the War on Terrror, and the expansion of the Patriot Act and the surveillance state (all that NSA stuff that Snowden leaked started under George W. Bush, Obama simply expanded it some more) 

 

The Affordable Care Act was just a re-dressed version of an earlier policy proposed by Nixon back in the 70's. It wasn't socialized medicine, it was just the same old corporate system with a few unfortunate loopholes closed. The only good thing about Obamacare was the clause about preexisting conditions.

 

I never cared much for Obama, but the competition wasn't any better. Same can be said of the 2016 Election when our main two choices were Grandma Nixon and Orange Berlusconi.

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