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Jimbatron

Cops 'n Crooks 2.0 for the PC

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EDIT - we have now moved to CnC 2.2 - see posts below for map changes.

 

Anyone who is familiar with Cops 'n Crooks will know that there were a fixed amount of getaway vehicles that the crooks had to reach to escape - and if you played it for a while, you learnt where they all were - as cops how to defend them, and crooks how to try to steal them.

 

While it's been great fun, we always dreamed of a new map - different start positions and different getaways. I'm pleased to say I have done just that - with a new mod, CnC 2.0. I thought this was worth mentioning because with the latest patch, more players are coming back online. The mod has limited distribution at the moment, myself (currently playing under the tag Jim7998), Archville92, Foreign Frisian, and Spino92 are the only ones that have it. If you join a game though and one of us is host, chances are you'll get to play the new map. In the interests of honesty, the video below shows all 28 new locations:

 

 

 

I should point out however, CnC club play to strict gentleman's rules - the most critical being that the cops do not move or destroy the getaway. Anyone caught doing so will be kicked and unlikley to be allowed to play in our servers again. Our house rules we all adhere to are here:

http://copsncrooks.webs.com/rules-etiquette

 

If you're returning to IV MP though all are welcome to join. It is very helpful if you have a headset as the team that plays best together and communicates often wins.

 

First ever rounds of CnC 2.0 here (an old regular will quickly spot the new start points and getaway locations were not in the original mode:

 

Edited by Jimbatron

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B Dawg

Sounds nice. How'd you do edits to multiplayer modes? I wish to do my own improvements to the game modes of The Lost And Damned.

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Ethereal_NYC

This is awesome im going to have to expand the memory on my laptop and get a copy of gta 4.

 

Though i have to say jimbo i was a lil disappointed in powerful weapons and corner glitching

 

Totally ruins the game imo. Skilled players need no access to missles and can do the same damage with snipers and grenades

 

Actually in regards to corner glitchin you have better chances of surviving and dodging someone doing the sniper glitch

 

Felt like sharing my 2 cents

 

Im not familiar with the helicopter blade glitch, maybe its not from consoles

 

I didnt see any mention of the boss camping in the etiquette or did i miss that

 

Cant wait to watch the youtube, thanks a lot!

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Jimbatron

Thanks man.

 

The powerful weapons is something the PC regulars settled on after about 18 months or so since the game came out, I think primarily to give the Boss a decent chance of survival at the start. I think it's much easier to do a drive by with a mouse and keyboard on the PC than on a console with a controller, and so it's quite important the Boss gets a good weapon at the start if the cops rush in with the cars and smgs they start with. Also as the Boss takes a helicopter in the vast majority of cases, rpgs are useful to try an shoot them down (and that's a serious amount of fun, requiring genuine skill to pull off - unlike GTA V with that homing launcher noob tube).

 

We talked about banning corner glitching from our servers but felt we couldn't otherwise no one could every take cover with a building on their left side. However, no regular CnC player I know tries to exploit this. And if someone did corner camp, I'd send an rpg their way (again another advantage of the powerful weapons). Where corner glitching is a big problem in my opinion is in TDM at Colony where the weapons are put to smg only. It's definitely not a big feature of our games - we just felt it was impractical to ban or kick people in the very rare occasion it happens.

 

Bosses don't tend to camp in our PC games. If they did, I expect the cops would most likely co-ordinate an gradually pick the crooks off from a distance using the radar advantage.

 

PS: My current CnC 2.0 matches are uploaded in this playlist:

http://gtaforums.com/topic/874610-cops-n-crooks-20-for-the-pc/

 

I don't get to play as often as I would like these days though due to a demanding job, and I'm spending a lot of time on making episode 3 and finishing my Cops 'n Crooks movie.

Edited by Jimbatron

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Ethereal_NYC

Ill def chek the videos out. I definitely understand the moral code you spoke on regarding corner glitching

 

And yea i imagine pc players are much more skilled at shooting

 

As far as camping sometimes the boss gets trapped or in my case traps himself lol

 

I guess thats where rpgs might ruin that fun but like you said sometimes you guys have special matches

 

One of my favorite things to do is camp in the penthouse majestic with shotguns and wait for the cops to try to storm in

 

Likewise at playboys penthouse lol

 

Cant wait to give it a try

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Jimbatron

And yea i imagine pc players are much more skilled at shootin

 

Thanks well, I wouldn't say more skilled - personally speaking I've played a bit on the PS3 as well as on the PC and I think it is more easy to score head shots quickly with a mouse and keyboard. Free aiming with a control pad takes more skill imho - I guess because you've got to more delicately maneuver the sticks with your thumbs, whereas you have your whole hand to steady the mouse.

 

It does change the dynamics though across platforms I think. On the PC a moderately skilled player has a decent chance of a quick headshot - so even a top TDM player won't last long as Boss if he stands still. On the console's it is different, I've seen the top Free aim-ers (and serious respect to such players) survive for ages as Boss. Basically I think the skill range is wider on consoles with free aim.

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B Dawg

Mouse, combined with the fact that you can full auto spray your weapon without any accuracy penalties/spread, makes killing a whole lot easier on PC.

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Jimbatron

We have now moved to using CnC version 2.1 in our servers. The new map is here:

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bw6ZYKR6WsqVUWk0UHFibjZvUjg/view

 

CnC 2.1 Change log:

Getaways:
- "Sprunk" replaced with "Car Park".
- "Deal Breaker" replaced with "Pegorino's Pride".
- "Behind Boathouse" replaced with "South Bohan Warehouse".
- "Burgershot II" replaced with "Graveyard".
- "Prison" moved slightly to the yard basketball court to give more take off space and now no longer snipe-able from oil drum to WSW.
- "Colony Island" rotated 180 degrees to face south towards the abandoned hospital.
Start points:
- Happiness Island Removed. "Booth Docks" and "Cark Park" getaway start spawn point is just South of Globe Oil Drum.
- Airport Roof Top Replaced with FIA Car Park (causes "Across Big Ship" to start from here, and "Faustin's II" to get a new start point).
- North Algonquin start point is split in two.
Additional:
- Lobby Menu now automatically loads to CnC Club default settings.
- Server Title now overwrites to CnC 2.1 and cannot be changed manually by host.*
*thanks to ClareXoBearrx3R9 of these forums who helped me figure out how to do that.
Current hosts running CnC 2.1 on the PC:
Jim7998
Killertom500
ForeignFrisian
Hilly1970
Spino92
BassTjorvin
Edited by Jimbatron

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Jimbatron

We have now moved to CnC 2.2 on our servers. New map is as follows:

 

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1S17P8YmR5E1jNkqklwJVADERI_DABXjY

 

CnC 2.2 changelog.
Code is restructured to allow 32 getaways and to change the mix of helicopters and boats per island
Getaways Added:
- Playground (H)
- Autoeroticar (H)
- Powerplant (H)
- East Holland Police Station (H)
- Northwood East (B)
- Baseball (H)
- Heli on Broken Bridge (H)
Getaways Removed:
- Pegorino's Pride (H)
- Booth Docks (B)
- Colony Island (H)
Start points:
- Golf and Pier 45 starts swapped around
- Warehouse and West Cliffs starts swapped around
- Faustin's 2 moved to Cerveza Heights
Objects:
- Fence added to the west side of East Holland Police Station
- Ladders added at the back of the Autoeroticar garage and the building behind it to enable roof access
- Boxes added on the roof of Power Plant
Miscellaneous:
- Fixed a bug where CnC 2 mod users joined another server and would not see the host's title, rather their version of CnC 2. Title overwrite is now only active when hosting.
Thanks to Zolika1351 of these forums who helped me work out how to spawn objects for all players from the host's sco scripts.
GTA IV players who would like a strategic game where communication with other players is key are welcome to join. If interested I would recommend reading our website for the tutorials and rules and etiquette:
Feel free PM me if you're interested. IV on the PC is pretty quiet these days be we still get 7 v 7 teams regularly European time evenings at the weekends.
CnC 2.2 hosts:
Jim7998 (me)
Killertom500
ForeignFrisian
Hilly1970
Spino92
BassTjorvin
LameFreak

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EL_FUGA

So nice to see this going on, Mr. Jimbatron.

 

Sounds amazing. Makes me want to try gta IV on PC after so many years being a ps3 player.

 

I've never been into pc gaming. Pretty sure I can aim much better using a joystick instead of a mouse.

 

Was just wondering... If there are any pc-cnc players there using a gamepad like ps3/xbox?

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Jimbatron

So nice to see this going on, Mr. Jimbatron.

Sounds amazing. Makes me want to try gta IV on PC after so many years being a ps3 player.

I've never been into pc gaming. Pretty sure I can aim much better using a joystick instead of a mouse.

Was just wondering... If there are any pc-cnc players there using a gamepad like ps3/xbox?

Hi El_Fuga, good to see you still around too. A few have used pads in the past, xXPeppahXx I know did exclusively, he could hold his own against average players like me, probably would struggle against the top shooters though. I've got a large archive of videos on my YouTube video would give you an idea by how quickly some of the guys can kill me, and therefore an idea of how much time you'd have - Providence, LameFreak, Peruga, Redbull to name but a few. I know some of you guys are awesome with a pad. I do use a pad for flying but my free aim isn't good enough.

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Jimbatron

We are now running a test map where the only getaway vehicles are cars. Server title is CnC 2.2.1 Car Test Map 02 GGM.

 

rhOT7kw.jpg

 

GGM indicates the getaway has god mode. It cannot be blown up with bullets or explosives. The driver can be shot but will be shielded from external explosions. The tyres cannot be burst. The getaway can still be destroyed if it is flipped and on it's roof for more than 15 seconds, or if sunk in water. Getaway god mode is turned off once the boss has sat in it - at which point the Cops have 20 seconds to shoot him or blow it up with him in it before the round ends (assuming he doesn't get out).

 

Car getaways are proving quite popular with CnC Club members and we may well integrate into the permanent map. We wanted to create a full test map to properly try it out as the tactics change quite a bit versus the traditional boat and helicopter getaways.

 

Types of getaway vehicles in use for this map (all deliberately ones that do not normally spawn in Cops 'n Crooks):

 

Comet

Cognoscenti

FIB Buffalo

Stockade

Feltzer

Schafter

Rebla

Sabre GT

Huntley

Rancher

Police Patriot

Voodoo

Roman's Taxi

 

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IrishRepublican

We are now running a test map where the only getaway vehicles are cars. Server title is CnC 2.2.1 Car Test Map 02 GGM.

 

rhOT7kw.jpg

 

GGM indicates the getaway has god mode. It cannot be blown up with bullets or explosives. The driver can be shot but will be shielded from external explosions. The tyres cannot be burst. The getaway can still be destroyed if it is flipped and on it's roof for more than 15 seconds, or if sunk in water. Getaway god mode is turned off once the boss has sat in it - at which point the Cops have 20 seconds to shoot him or blow it up with him in it before the round ends (assuming he doesn't get out).

 

Car getaways are proving quite popular with CnC Club members and we may well integrate into the permanent map. We wanted to create a full test map to properly try it out as the tactics change quite a bit versus the traditional boat and helicopter getaways.

 

Types of getaway vehicles in use for this map (all deliberately ones that do not normally spawn in Cops 'n Crooks):

 

Comet

Cognoscenti

FIB Buffalo

Stockade

Feltzer

Schafter

Rebla

Sabre GT

Huntley

Rancher

Police Patriot

Voodoo

Roman's Taxi

 

Well Done!

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