The Last of Us Part II

[Fuzzknuckles]

 

Why cant women that live in post-apocalyptic world look like Ps2 era Lara Craft? :-(

 

I doubt anyone would look like Lara Croft while growing up in a zombie apocalypse.

I'm not sure that at the point of apocalypse, attractive genes are suddenly flushed from the gene pool. People can still be born hot, but the likelihood of running around cold-assed Northern states in hotpants and a tanktop is very small. And running around blasting infinite bullets in a world with an ammo shortage and enemies that are sensitive to sound... well. WELL. No.

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

http://attackofthefanboy.com/news/the-last-of-us-part-2-wont-avoid-personal-politics/

 

 

 

Druckmann was responding to a fan who has since deleted his tweet. The overall point was that the fan loved The Last of Us, but didn’t like how political the game felt, especially near the end. He asked that the team avoid delving into politics in The Last of Us Part 2. Druckmann responded by saying “No can do. Writers work off of their views of the world. For example, the ending of TLoU is very much inspired by my “personal politics.””

 

...Not sure what to think about this

I really wish developers would just focus purely on making a fun and engaging experience instead of shoving their personal political ideas into games. Its bound to split a fanbase especially when your views don't line up with the fanbase's. This isnt an indie project that you can do whatever you want with, this is a multi-million dollar AAA game with a fanbase that is large as hell. I wish the directors/producers would become more professional when approaching things like this

 

EDIT: Why is my text covered up?

Edited January 24, 2017 by DeeDogg_

[Mr. Scratch]

Politics are different in the world they're living in, it's only right to at least comment on what's going on in the safe zones.

[Dee-account-with-1kbans]

Politics are different in the world they're living in, it's only right to at least comment on what's going on in the safe zones.

Thats true. I was looking at it a little one sided. In hind sight, politics played a major role in the first..but in a different way than expected.

[chronic lumbago]

https://mobile.twitter.com/Neil_Druckmann/status/874449653047021568

 

I understand, but I'm still disappointed they didn't show it at E3.

[Leftist Bastard]

''keep politics out of my vidya!11!'' is so incredibly short sighted and detrimental to video games evolving as an art form. Games are being placed within a wider cultural context as more focus is put on story telling; it's ridiculous to expect ''professionalism'' and what amounts to self censorship and then champion for games to be taken seriously as an art form without all that comes with that.

[BUT THE BENZ]

I might end up buying this game. liked the 1st one, though it had its flaws, the low number of differently mutated enemies for example. they COULD fix that in the 2nd game

[Misumi]

I keep forgetting this is a thing. I've been meaning to watch the trailers ever since they came out, but still haven't. I might do the same thing I did with TLOU and buy a PS4 just to play it, then sell it on Craigslist.

[ClaudeSpeed1911]

My hopes for this game is less "get this ladder" or "help someone cross the river" and more pure gameplay with good puzzles, my favorite part of the first one was the fact that it played like a spiritual sequel to Manhunt. Hopefully you can skip all the slow and boring parts this time, atleast when replaying.

[chronic lumbago]

My hopes for this game is less "get this ladder" or "help someone cross the river" and more pure gameplay with good puzzles, my favorite part of the first one was the fact that it played like a spiritual sequel to Manhunt. Hopefully you can skip all the slow and boring parts this time, atleast when replaying.

The puzzle really weren't interesting in the first game. Still, I felt like the atmosphere was all the way up to 11 and there was a really good balance between tense, adrinaline-fueled moments and the quieter moments.

[chronic lumbago]

 

 

Happy birthday everyone!

 

 

 

"At its core, The Last of Us Part II is still very much about Ellie and Joel, but for this reveal, we wanted to showcase several new characters that are integral to their next journey. Were sure you have many questions after watching this scene. Were also pretty sure that were going to see all sorts of theories about whom these characters are, where and when this scene takes place, and how all of this fits into Ellie and Joels next story. For now were keeping mum, but were excited to see what yall make of this piece of the puzzle."

 

 

 

I liked it but

 

 

Where the f*ck is Joel and Ellie? Not even a glimpse? I ain't complaining but this certainly isn't what I expected. Towards the end of the trailer, I thought the hanging woman has to be Ellie?

 

[Matrelith]

Kind of a meaningless trailer if you ask me. The surprise that it was about TLOU fell short because the video title already spoils it. Other than that; I don't know these people, I don't care what happens to them. Maybe they did something bad and them being hanged / arms smashed is their punishment. They didn't really show anything that gives us any information about what kind of game this will be.

 

I'm not really sure what to think of this.

 

 

(the woman being hanged isn't Ellie though, that wasn't Ashley Johnson's voice)

[Laker23]

Gorgeous trailer. The woman hanging isn't Ellie, tattoo for instance isn't there.

 

I'm gonna say this was in the past, and that woman who was about to be hanged is Ellie's mother, before she gave birth to her. The features of the face are incredibly similar.

[chronic lumbago]

I know it wasn't Ellie, I was just desperately trying to find a meaning of this trailer. I had a future jump in mind before I read ND's comment.

 

If it's Ellie's mom, it could be quite interesting.

 

It looks gorgeusly disturbing. That was some heavy sh*t.

Edited October 30, 2017 by fashion

[woggleman]

I think that is her mother and it is part of the opening scene similar to Joel and Sarah.

[Mr. Scratch]

Ellie's mom is buff as f*ck.

[Richard Power Colt]

She also looks kinda young. Also did they ever mention Ellie's parents in the first game? Why was Ellie not with her?

[Matrelith]

Ellie's mom was mentioned pretty heavily in the game. Marlene (the Fireflies leader) was pretty close with her and was there when Ellie was born. If I recall correctly Ellie's mom died shortly after giving birth. Ellie also has a letter from her mother in her backpack, and there are a few audio recordings of Marlene in the last level talking about Ellie's mom and Ellie's condition.

[Matrelith]

 

 

ne-ne-ne-necro bump

 

despite the eye-rolling beginning and ending cutscene, the gameplay itself looks pretty smooth. New things like going prone and explosive arrows should spice up the gameplay a bit. I do wonder how much of it was actual gameplay and how much was scripted though.

 

also where the f*ck is Joel

[Laker23]

The kissing animation actually looked real and not two characters just putting their face against each other, nice.

 

Gameplay was impressive, no matter how much was scripted or not. Was hoping for a release date at this stage. I felt this would be a 2019 game, but I'm really not sure.

[Nutduster]

Game looks disgustingly good.  Beautiful graphics, intense and varied combat.  I assume they're keeping Joel in the wings to mess with the audience and get people talking, but I also notice at the beginning of this trailer that the guy references her "old man laying into" him - that's probably Joel, right?

 

The gameplay here is definitely either scripted or at least very well-rehearsed, but I'll say this: 90% of what you see here is close to what the first game is like in its non-scripted sections.  The only bits here that surprised me were Ellie getting pulled out from under the car, which could easily just be a new mechanic for combat and not scripted, and then the way that guy tried to talk at the end before she finally killed him.  That's either one of their pseudo-cut scenes, or some really clever programming work to have NPCs do stuff like that when they're wounded.  Either way, it was cool.  Some of the other neat details - grabbing and throwing the bottle on the run, grabbing a guy to block a shot - are possible in the original, though most players won't pull them off that smoothly.

 

Final thought: don't go look at the YouTube comments for this unless you want to read 8,000 idiots calling each other SJWs, snowflakes, and triggered.  f*ck the internet in 2018.

 

 

5 hours ago, Laker23 said:

I felt this would be a 2019 game, but I'm really not sure.

 

I think late 2019 is possible, but who knows.  If they're not going to release it next year, it seems super early to be showing gameplay (and have it be this finished-looking).  We've got three trailers now including the teaser... if this were Rockstar the game would be coming out THIS year, but we all know Rockstar plays things closer to the vest than most!  And on the other hand - to release any kind of trailer now but NOT include even a vague time frame (like "Fall 2019") usually means they expect it to be later than the next year.  Who knows really, but right now my money is on late 2020, sad to say.

Edited June 12, 2018 by Nutduster

[Dr.Rosenthal]

@Nutduster I agree 100%. It's difficult to tell which sequences are scripted and which aren't, but that only goes to show how well-crafted this game supposedly is. I finished off the last 10% of The Lost Legacy the other day, and then too I was pretty amazed by how well the surroundings act together with the action the player is performing. You're sort of always asking yourself "Wow, that "stunt/action move" was cool, but I wonder if it could have played out differently?" I tried GoW recently too and felt the same way.

 

Needless to say I too was very impressed by TLoU2:s trailer at E3. How the action moves from one place to another seamlessly and involves that whole environment, requiring you to adapt to it, it's just breathtaking. It did look like the player could have made other choices than crawling in under the truck or running into hiding in that store, yet those two parts of the story felt integral in some way. Really cool.

[Journey_95]

I won't lie..it does feel like they are shoving the whole "Ellie is a lesbian" stuff in your face. I don't remember this much focus in any reveal trailer on Nate/Elena's romance in Uncharted. Also where is Joel..he was easily the most interesting character in the original. 

But its Naughty Dog, they haven't disappointed me yet and the gameplay does look good (although very scripted, not sure whats actually gameplay here).

Edited June 12, 2018 by Journey_95

[DEALUX]

I don't mind politics in entertainment too much but in this case it's kinda obvious they're pandering to a certain demographic. Are the politics doing anything to enhance the experience or increase the immersion factor? I don't think so. It seems to do the opposite. It just reminds you too much that the reason a certain character does something is because the writer had certain beliefs. I don't want to be reminded that I'm watching\playing fiction.

 

Also, Jesus Christ some of these characters are fugly as hell. What the hell is up with that? I'm kinda glad that I'm not a sucker for these linear story driven PS exclusives.

[rtie]

yeah lesbos totally breaks my immersion not like they exist in real life or anything 

[Journey_95]

14 minutes ago, Dealux said:

I don't mind politics in entertainment too much but in this case it's kinda obvious they're pandering to a certain demographic. Are the politics doing anything to enhance the experience or increase the immersion factor? I don't think so. It seems to do the opposite. It just reminds you too much that the reason a certain character does something is because the writer had certain beliefs. I don't want to be reminded that I'm watching\playing fiction.

 

Also, Jesus Christ some of these characters are fugly as hell. What the hell is up with that? I'm kinda glad that I'm not a sucker for these linear story driven PS exclusives.

They are really doing it wrong. Instead of handling it in a subtle way we get it shoved in our face and they even talk about it in interviews (the VA's and dev's) like its something special. Like its fine if Ellie is a lesbian, but then just do it without putting so much focus on it.

And yeah wtf happened to Ellie's face? She looked great in the reveal trailer and now is kind of "fugly". I love these linear story driven exclusives though

[DEALUX]

7 minutes ago, ARTHUR. said:

yeah lesbos totally breaks my immersion not like they exist in real life or anything 

When it's blatant pandering, it is. It's sort of like a 4th wall break because it reminds you why the character is a lesbian. It has nothing to do with the story and everything to do with the writer's beliefs.

 

 

[rtie]

"Reminds you why the character is lesbian"
What do you mean? She's a lesbian because she's attracted to the female sex.

The purpose of the scene was to juxtapose her into these two radically different settings and how differently she behaves in both. I guarantee if it was a guy and a chick dancing there would be no complaints.

[DEALUX]

Was there any romance plot in the original game? As far as I remember there wasn't. It is indeed obvious pandering and if it were a girl kissing a guy I don't think they would have anyone to pander to (that's the norm).

 

They're obviously doing this because the controversy and the fact that the politics appeal to a certain set of the audience who happens to be younger people will rake in more money.

 

I'm not opposed to playing as a gay\lesbian character. You could write a story based around a character like that that is interesting. Even make the whole thing more or less about politics and perhaps convey some sort of message. The problem is whenever a movie or game does anything of that sort they do it in the most uncreative way.

[rtie]

"Was there any romance plot in the original game?" 

There was in the dlc.

 

Have you considered that maybe it's not politics/pandering/buzzwords and they want to hash out a new perspective? 

Y'know, something that we don't see in every single game.

"I'm not opposed to playing as a gay\lesbian character."
Then what's the issue with this? 
 

1 hour ago, Dealux said:

Also, Jesus Christ some of these characters are fugly as hell. What the hell is up with that? I'm kinda glad that I'm not a sucker for these linear story driven PS exclusives.

You obviously harbour quite shallow views on what games have to assign you, so I'm not so sure. I think you're just using uncomfortable the game is providing you with an alternate viewpoint you struggle to empathise with.