The Last of Us Part II

[TheSantader25]

I barely see any difference between TLOU2 and TLOU1 in terms of gameplay. They added a rope though so yeah if you count that...

Not to mention how the pacing literally makes the gameplay far worse than the first game. The first game carefully placed encounters in between heavy story segments with exceptional smoothness. This one is all over the place.

 

I could be watching a cutscene for 15 minutes without literally touching my controller. While at times suddenly they mindlessly threw loads of enemies at me with no distinctiveness of atmosphere which made the encounters kind of dull and forgettable. That's not it though. Get ready for flashbacks within flashbacks within flashbacks with Abby and Ellie. It gives Inception a run for its money. 

 

TLOU 2 is graphically phenomenal. In terms of accessibility? Once again, phenomenal. Animations? Phenomenal. Story and Gameplay? No. 

 

I'd be happy with either Ghost of Tsushima and Doom tbh. 

Edited November 20, 2020 by TheSantader25

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

1 minute ago, TheSantader25 said:

I barely see any difference between TLOU2 and TLOU1 in terms of gameplay. They added a rope though so yeah if you count that...

 

2 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

Story and Gameplay?No. 

 

3 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

While at times suddenly they mindlessly threw loads of enemies at me with no distinctiveness of atmosphere which made the encounters kind of dull and forgettable

 

16 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

Abbey

 

Holy mother of Jesus what am I even reading. I facepalmed so hard that I broke my nose.

I could make a kilometer long post explain how wrong you and the other guy are, but heh, would be just a waste of time since you live in your own convictions and it's impossible to change your opinion.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

[LittleJesus]

I think we can all agree to disagree, like you'll say is a divisive game so we have the right to think it's a masterpiece like you have the right to think it's trash. 

 

I honestly feel bad for Ghost of Thsushima's praised, the game is only used to sh*t on The Last of Us II like "see this is how you don't make a political game", "you don't play as the antagonist bla bla bla".

Is a good game but the story is just predictable when you think about it, I only remember like two beats of the story right now. I was amazed by the gameplay at first (no hud, used of the environment etc) but it became another open world with a checklist of repetitive stuff in the end.

 

Good or bad The Last of Us Part II made a great impact at it will be still talked about in the years to come...

[Secura]

Playing through the game won't change the narrative being bad, but what it does do is show you that the game as an actual game is quite good, the gameplay is much improved over the original.

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

10 minutes ago, Secura said:

Playing through the game won't change the narrative being bad

So this isn't the case since the narrative isn't bad.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

[Badman_]

TLOU2 narrative is a mess. Joel's death is forced and he is killed by a new character that we just met. Then we are supposed to sympathize with this new character trough the course of the game. It's bizarre. 

 

If you liked the story it's because you bought this crazy idea that the writer is trying to sell. There's nothing wrong with that. But there are many people (me included) that just can't, and they have no obligation to do so.

[LittleJesus]

Gustavo Santaolalla hinted big things still to come, Factions? PS5 version? Story DLC? Hopefully the three of them. 

 

Oh I almost forgot about that HBO tv show.

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

23 minutes ago, TheJesus1996 said:

Oh I almost forgot about that HBO tv show.

You just...

 

Great news.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

[LittleJesus]

54 minutes ago, Chuck said:

You just...

 

Great news.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

Perfect timing lol

 

👀

 

Edited November 20, 2020 by TheJesus1996

[Laker23]

With all due respect if you think there is no difference in the gameplay of the first and second game I'm just going to assume you're trying to find as many reasons as humanly possible to dislike the game.

 

I don't care if people don't like the story, I fully and completely understand and enjoy reading the different points of view on that, but if we can avoid spouting sh*te that has no merit that would be lovely.

 

The sooner people stop caring about these pointless award shows the better.

[Badman_]

13 minutes ago, Laker23 said:

With all due respect if you think there is no difference in the gameplay of the first and second game I'm just going to assume you're trying to find as many reasons as humanly possible to dislike the game.

There is a difference but it is not that much of a big deal. Plus the gameplay was never the strongest point of the first game. The story-driven narrative was the stand out.

[Corndawg93]

Are you kidding me, there is GIANT difference in terms of gameplay, several months ago when I replayed Part 1, I tried running, picking up a bottle and then throwing it, non of the animations we're smooth and was clunky as hell, doing all that in part 2 is all one fluent motion

Edited November 22, 2020 by Corndawg93

[TheSantader25]

1 hour ago, Corndawg93 said:

 

Also Santader, you have no right to talk about the gameplay seeing how you've never played the game

You also have no right to assume things out of nowhere. I borrowed the game from my cousin. Told you I was gonna buy when it's on sale for taking some screenshots because the game does look good for that. Lucky me my poor cousin already got the game so I didn't have to pay nothing.

 

I still haven't finished the game.(I'd seen the story till the end before playing though) But I'm pretty sure I've played enough to talk about the gameplay. I just encountered the rat king when I last played which btw was a cool encounter IMO. We need more of this. 

 

Improving the clunkiness(which personally never had a problem with in TLOU 1) was expected. It's 2020 for God's sake. I'm mostly concerned about Naughty Dog's lack of innovation and pacing when it comes to the gameplay. I can look past innovation, because there's only so much you can add in a game of this genre, but I cannot look past how little care has gone to designing the encounters and the transitions of this game in comparison to the first one. It's a big giant mess. And at times has too much padding on to make the game longer than it needs to be. 

Edited November 22, 2020 by TheSantader25

[Corndawg93]

Oh ok, my apologies 

 

Also I hope The Last of Us Part 2 cleans house at the game awards

Edited November 22, 2020 by Corndawg93

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

14 minutes ago, TheSantader25 said:

But I'm pretty sure I've played enough to talk about the gameplay.

lmao no, you clearly haven't.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

[Badman_]

2 hours ago, Corndawg93 said:

Are you kidding me, there is GIANT difference in terms of gameplay, several months ago when I replayed Part 1, I tried running, picking up a bottle and then throwing it, non of the animations we're smooth and was clunky as hell, doing all that in part 2 is all one fluent motion

Nah.

[Corndawg93]

27 minutes ago, The Wolf Man said:

Nah.

Nah to ya nah bra

[LittleJesus]

One of the reasons this game is bad is bc they shrank Joel's shoulders and made him look soft

[Badman_]

15 minutes ago, TheJesus1996 said:

One of the reasons this game is bad is bc they shrank Joel's shoulders and made him look soft

No. It's actually because the narrative is dumb and forced. But it's okay if you like it. There are a lot of bad movies that I'm capable of enjoying.

Edited November 22, 2020 by The Wolf Man

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

20 minutes ago, TheJesus1996 said:

One of the reasons this game is bad is bc they shrank Joel's shoulders and made him look soft

Yeah that's true, but let's not forget about Manny, aka Neil nice personman's self-insert character.

The beta Jewish male that spits on Joel, the strong white man. So powerful, so just. 

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

[Badman_]

"Revenge is bad and the cycle of violence must be stopped..." How original, thoughful, inspiring and unpredictable! Bring this man an Oscar. Neil is the man.

[LittleJesus]

14 minutes ago, Chuck said:

Yeah that's true, but let's not forget about Manny, aka Neil nice personman's self-insert character.

The beta Jewish male that spits on Joel, the strong white man. So powerful, so just. 

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

I also want to add that my best friend is a fitness woman and she says its impossible for a woman to look like Abby unless she's a man in disguise to force diversity down our throats smh...

[Corndawg93]

4 hours ago, The Wolf Man said:

No. It's actually because the narrative is dumb and forced. But it's okay if you like it. There are a lot of bad movies that I'm capable of enjoying.

It's not dumb, you just hate the fact that your boy got brutally murdered with a golf club, Joel sucks and he deserved that death

[D9fred95]

I appreciate the fact that this thread has shown the fanboy's true colors in spades. It's one thing to argue why you felt the way you did about the story and how it affected you in a positive sense. It's another to just say "Nuh Uh! It's a mastapiece!!!" That's literally what's occurring here.

 

Hell, @TheSantader25 explained why he didn't enjoy the gameplay and the response he got was quite literally "No, you're just wrong, lol."

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

I appreciate the fact that this thread has shown the haters' true colors in spades. It's one thing to argue why you felt the way you did about the gameplay and how it affected you in a negative sense. It's another to just say "Nuh Uh! It's a piece of sh*t that barely improved on the first game!!!" That's literally what's occurring here.

 

Hell, @TheSantader25 very poorly explained why the the gameplay has barely changed and expected responses different from "No, you're wrong."

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

Edited November 22, 2020 by Chuck

[D9fred95]

6 minutes ago, Chuck said:

I appreciate the fact that this thread has shown the haters' true colors in spades. It's one thing to argue why you felt the way you did about the gameplay and how it affected you in a negative sense. It's another to just say "Nuh Uh! It's a piece of sh*t that barely improved on the first game!!!" That's literally what's occurring here.

 

Hell, @TheSantader25 very poorly explained why the the gameplay has barely changed and expected responses different from "No, you're wrong."

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

 

I don't really support the "that game is just sh*t" posts from the people who don't like the game that are in this thread honestly. Genuine posts of that nature that is, not simple jokes which are not to be taken seriously. I appreciate Santader's since it seems he actually had something to say about the gameplay which I can respect.

 

Though part of me feels like you're just trolling with your responses which is obviously just going to be for laughs. Though if your "lol you're just wrong" responses are genuine then it definitely solidifies my dim view of TLOU2 fanboys.

[Badman_]

I think it's the other way around. This thread is full of "fanboys" who won't accept criticism.

 

The narrative was the strongest point on the first game. The second one is technically excellent but it lacks greatness in the narrative aspect. The gameplay was polished but it is essentially the same of the original. These are our points. I don't see where the hate is.

Edited November 22, 2020 by The Wolf Man

[LittleJesus]

The Last of Us Part II just won game of the year by TechTudo.

Since critics are shills it also won by popular vote.

https://www.techtudo.com.br/noticias/2020/10/premio-melhores-do-ano-techtudo-veja-celular-tv-e-jogo-vencedores-de-2020.ghtml

[Grichka Bogdanoff]

Am I really supposed to discuss about the game with people who:

• Don't understand the story (not even the very, very simple message at the end), yet endlessly sh*t about the writing. Probably can't even recognize a poorly written story from a good one without reading online.
• Didn't play it, don't even own the console it's available on, yet come here months and months after release just to sh*ttalk about it and join the anti-tlou2 circlejerk
• Didn't finish it, yet call Abby pure evil 
• Don't remember what they've played, watched or read online 
• Can't notice the positive changes in gameplay and level design
• Still think the problem is Joel's death or how he died
• Unironically believe Druckmann self-inserted as Manny 
• The Game Awards are rigged but only if TLOU2 wins

It's just a waste of time and energies.

 

Still, I very much agree with Santader's point about pacing. It's probably the biggest and only major flaw of the game.

I accept criticism and I like to discuss about it. But when I read plain falsehood, sh*tposts et simila I just give up. I'd rather go back and enjoy this beautiful masterpiece and try to complete Permadeath Grounded.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

[LittleJesus]

9 minutes ago, Chuck said:

Am I really supposed to discuss about the game with people who:

• Don't understand the story (not even the very, very simple message at the end), yet endlessly sh*t about the writing. Probably can't even recognize a poorly written story from a good one without reading online.
• Didn't play it, don't even own the console it's available on, yet come here months and months after release just to sh*ttalk about it and join the anti-tlou2 circlejerk
• Didn't finish it, yet call Abby pure evil 
• Don't remember what they've played, watched or read online 
• Can't notice the positive changes in gameplay and level design
• Still think the problem is Joel's death or how he died
• Unironically believe Druckmann self-inserted as Manny 
• The Game Awards are rigged but only if TLOU2 wins

It's just a waste of time and energies.

 

Still, I very much agree with Santader's point about pacing. It's probably the biggest and only major flaw of the game.

I accept criticism and I like to discuss about it. But when I read plain falsehood, sh*tposts et simila I just give up. I'd rather go back and enjoy this beautiful masterpiece and try to complete Permadeath Grounded.

 

a Chuck Kojima post.

I agree that the pacing issues are noticeable (they personally didn't bother me that much) you can see that's Druckmann style since he did the same with Uncharted 4 and yet is my favourite in the series. Idk why but I prefer character interactions and exploration more than pure combat nowadays.