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watersgta3

Why do people complain about how Tommy treats Lance?

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watersgta3

I hear a lot of people talking about how Tommy treated Lance like sh*t and any variation of such, and I'm asking how? I've watched the cutscenes of Tommy's interactions with Lance and I do not remember one scene where Tommy has treated Lance with any form of disdain. Sure at the beginning, he was a little blunt towards him, but I don't remember him treating Lance with any form of contempt. I know you people are gonna bring up the scene where Tommy yelled at Lance in "Bar Brawl". Well tell me this. How would you react to the person who sits on his ass drinking when there's people refusing to pay for protection? Tommy had a great reason to yell at Lance during that scene. He even told Lance himself he won't rip him off or stab him in the back, and from the way he said it, he sounded like a man who would keep his word. Another thing that annoys me is that people always want to get on Tommy for "mistreating" Lance, but need I remind you that Vic was the exact same way towards Lance in VCS? Like Tommy, Vic has called Lance out for his stupidity and screwing things up. Hell Lance said in his phone call with Tommy that he didn't want him to treat him like a kid like his brother did. So I don't get how people call out Tommy for his attitude towards Lance yet say nothing when Vic has (understandably) treated Lance the same way.

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Helegad

It's a personality clash, not genuine contempt either way. They do work well together (Phnom Penh '86, Supply & Demand), although Tommy is a self-aware one-man-army.

 

Guys, we gotta make this final, we gotta leave no doubt that this operation is mine. Mine!

 

Not "ours". Lance was always very partial to the concept of sharing.

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JohnDonovan

He was mostly fine with lance he was a complete wanker most of the time with Kent Paul & Ken, though.

 

I've never understood the appeal of the character so generic & smug.

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watersgta3

He was mostly fine with lance he was a complete wanker most of the time with Kent Paul & Ken, though.

 

I've never understood the appeal of the character so generic & smug.

Well Ken does seem to annoy him with his neurotic behavior, not to mention his coke addiction. So I can see why Tommy is annoyed with Ken.

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Mac Tonight

Tommy treats LANCE bad? How about Lance being a whiny little prick about everything. Tommy just wants Lance to do what needs to be done for their operation, and he does a pretty sh*t job at it. "Infiltrate Ricardo's operation and move in to take it over? Nah, let's get ourselves captured and hope Tommy saves me like the damsel I am so we can pull a two-man raid on a giant mansion full of armed goons!". "Make sure our newly acquired businesses are paying their protection money? Nah, let's get drunk at the bar and let Tommy do everything!".

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watersgta3

Tommy treats LANCE bad? How about Lance being a whiny little prick about everything. Tommy just wants Lance to do what needs to be done for their operation, and he does a pretty sh*t job at it. "Infiltrate Ricardo's operation and move in to take it over? Nah, let's get ourselves captured and hope Tommy saves me like the damsel I am so we can pull a two-man raid on a giant mansion full of armed goons!". "Make sure our newly acquired businesses are paying their protection money? Nah, let's get drunk at the bar and let Tommy do everything!".

Exactly what I was thinking. Tommy never got upset with Lance unless he did something to screw up.

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PhillBellic

If Lance wanted to be treated better, maybe he shouldn't have been The Load all the damn time...

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Indy007

Tommy treats LANCE bad? How about Lance being a whiny little prick about everything. Tommy just wants Lance to do what needs to be done for their operation, and he does a pretty sh*t job at it. "Infiltrate Ricardo's operation and move in to take it over? Nah, let's get ourselves captured and hope Tommy saves me like the damsel I am so we can pull a two-man raid on a giant mansion full of armed goons!". "Make sure our newly acquired businesses are paying their protection money? Nah, let's get drunk at the bar and let Tommy do everything!".

This is true. Lance just likes to sit back and complain pretty much. He's mainly all talk and no action. He's better as a sidekick it seems like than one to actually take the lead and he has a pretty poor time at explaining himself without sounding whiney. Sorry about how your brother treated you Lance, but you're a grown man now.

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Paul72

Because Lance is the Draco in Leather Pants. He's such an interesting character that the gamers want him to succeed and make Tommy out like he's the jerk towards Lance when he never treated Lance bad in any cutscene in the story. He just only berated Lance for his incompetence at times. You know, how the same thing Vic did to Lance in VCS. So you folks should stop giving Tommy so much sh*t and stop making Lance seem like he's tghe victim of the conflicts when that dumbass brought all his problems on himself.

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DK06282000

I think the reason why Vic gets a pass is because he's lived with Lance his whole life whereas Tommy has known Lance for less than a few months. I think people are just used to siblings doing such things to one another.

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Wingate167

To be fair, they worked well as a team until Lance decided to kill Diaz himself without talking to Tommy about it and got kidnapped. Then he screwed up with the Protection jobs and Tommy had to do it himself and also humiliated Lance. Tommy probably did not trust Lance and vice versa, that one call where Lance tells him to stop treating him like a child was probably why Lance went to Sonny to tell him about the false money.

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Evil empire

Tommy Vercetti looks more like a psychopathic killing-machine than a human being but I don't remember him being harsh with Lance Vance.

 

It would've been great if Tommy and Lance teamed up against Sonny and his mobsters in the Keep your friends close mission and to have the opportunity to play some missions with him even after the 100% completion.

 

As for Ryder in GTA San Andreas Lance is an excellent character who isn't treated the way he deserves in the scenario.

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El Penguin Bobo

(this topic is dead, lol)

 

On topic: I might have to agree with you guys. Lance deserved to be yelled at because he was just sitting back doing NOTHING. I just hate to see people give Tommy so much sh*t because of this. If Lance was doing his job in the first place, he wouldn't be yelled at. And don't mention about Tommy treating Ken like sh*t because he was getting paranoid and he kept taking that cocaine. And that can get annoying for me as well. In conclusion, stop hating on Tommy because of this.

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Journey_95

Lance was a f*cking moron, in both VC and VCS he just keeps f*cking up things for the MC. He deserves the sh*t he gets from Tommy, I still remember his bitchy phone calls lol. Great character

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ZeyadProGamerCod Legend
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 To be honest, In VC Tommy was treating Lance like best friends and that they made a bond together, they both worked together but Lance only screwed which caused Tommy to shout at him other than that Tommy still treated him like a true friend. In VCS Vic treated Lance like sh*t but both brothers had great bond, the reason that Vic treated Lance like sh*t because of the people who made contacts with so they can get rich like Bryan Forbes which later Lance discovers he is an undercover cop which causes Lances to kill Bryan, but Bryan sends him to do some jobs for him while he's being abducted by the Vance brother, after Bryan tries to make a run for it the Vance brothers kill him because he tried to kill him because he tried to put them in danger, later Vic gets mad on lance when he tries to make contact with some unknown contact,  I wanted to say Lance is one of my favorite characters(including Tommy and Vic) but he is sort of a delusional person so that's why he screws up all the time, Tommy and Lance helped each other out plus Tommy treated him like a true friend, In VCS Vic treated Lance like sh*t always shouts and rants at him because he said in the game "my problem is that your going to have us both killed" plus Lance wanted to make money in stupid ways but he ends up screwing himself and he's brother so that's why Vic treated him bad in some cut scenes Vic never treated Lance like sh*t  

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ToastOnCheese

The only thing that I think gives any weight to this idea is how (in Keep Your Friends Close...)he says 

 

"Guys, we gotta make this final, we gotta leave no doubt that this operation is mine. Mine!"

 

However their is the aspect that Tommy was a member of the Forelli family, a mafia, and is trying to build his own criminal family so he's probably structuring it after the mafia. With him being the Don, Lance being a Capo and Ken being his Consigliere. Tommy treated Lance better than he deserved.

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MyNameIsNotImportantBro

Tommy treats Lance bad? why did Tommy saved Lance when Diaz kidnapped him? Even when Lance complains on the phone while speaking to Tommy, Tommy tearts Lance good, but Lance is being childish and stupid

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Limefong
On 3/29/2020 at 5:53 PM, OmarMohammed said:

Tommy treats Lance bad? why did Tommy saved Lance when Diaz kidnapped him? Even when Lance complains on the phone while speaking to Tommy, Tommy tearts Lance good, but Lance is being childish and stupid

Exactly!

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