Old vs. New

[Svip]

I wish I knew what was so wrong with normal handbrakes we needed to replace them with idiotic switches anyway. Can't say I've ever had a problem with one in well over 10 years of driving.

I don't think it's the handbrake itself, that's the problem, but rather the drivers. I've seen a lot of cars parked without the handbrake pulled, sometimes to terrible consequences. Well, fortunately not fatal, but my grandmother did have her car's side smashed by a loose parked car.

[Outcast]

I agree with Svip on this one. We all probably did our driving lessons and test in manual cars but it is increasingly popular to just learn in an auto since no one really drives manuals anymore (outside of Europe, that is). Now with most autos people just stick it in P and off they go, whereas with a manual you'll still use the handbrake for peace of mind.

[K1FFLOM]

Replying on Sivis post:

 

 

But try and find replacement handbrake-cables for, lets say, a 1984/85 Honda Accord with rear disc-brakes...

 

But still better than a softwarefailure on such a 2015 model VW Passat in the year 2040, lol.

Edited December 26, 2016 by K1FFLOM

[HeavyDuke]

I REALLY hate the new "handbrake" in VW and Audi cars. Especially how it automatically engages when the door is opened.

Well.. that means if the handbrake switch doesn't work anymore, and you are hell bend to start that powerslide/drift you've always wanted to do right there and then, you can just open your door and go for it.

 

Old is better in the long run.

 

And once the electric car will become mandatory here in Germany by 2030, I will drive my 1988 Rover daily. Even now already it is so much fun to drive in front of electric cars with choke full on.

"stink 'em out. lol."

Yeah thats pretty fun.

 

 

Its going to be a sad day if you have swap the current engine with a dyson, just to make it road legal though. Then you will have to add a smoke generator to the car in order to get your kicks.

 

Or make it squirt out battery acids on cars behind you. Sounds like something to keep in mind. Not rolling coal, but squirting juice.

Edited December 26, 2016 by HeavyDuke

[sivispacem]

Ironically, that 6.4 Powerstroke is a much newer engine than the 1.5 Miller Atkinson cycle one in the Prius.

[epoxi]

It's fine to enjoy internal combustion, but I think it would be better if people did it without being complete assholes.

 

As far as I know, no government has suggested fossil fuels or non-automated cars should ever be banned from the road, but if there was ever evidence to support a ban, videos like that would be it.

[Svip]

It will be decades before there more electric engines than internal combustion engines on the road. Even with the proposed bans of no new cars with combustion engines in some countries by either 2025 or 2030. I mean, these countries won't ban foreign cars that would otherwise break these regulations.

 

I mean, isn't Germany planning something like this for 2030?

[K1FFLOM]

The German Green-Party has proposed the idea, that by 2030 new cars should only be electric ones.

 

And I hope that with the elections next year they will be made stumm.

(the Greens I mean, the electric car is quiet already)

Edited December 27, 2016 by K1FFLOM

[Cudwieser]

The German Green-Party has proposed the idea, that by 2030 new cars should only be electric ones.

 

And I hope that with the elections next year they will be made stumm.

(the Greens I mean, the electric car is quiet already)

Correct me if I'm wrong but a lot of German politics right now is pretty "unehrlich". Brussels has pushed more on Germany than Germany has on it's people, not to mention the discord and ever fractious nature of German Government. Add to that the VW problem and popularist voting where right wing parties (Green being an Uber-Progressive lefty) are likely to gain a huge chunk of power, the odds of anything close to all cars being electric anytime this century are slim. It isn't a massive enough issue right now nor is it in the interest of the German economy which is very shaky (regardless of what may be causing it).

 

The next 50 years will be tricky for everyone and while electric cars will continue in some capactity we will still be driving ICE vehicles for most of that time while world governments get their sh*t together.

 

In the mean time, have racecars gotten slower over the years?

[K1FFLOM]

German politics in a whole is "unehrlich" !

 

And I hope that everything they have put on the table the past few months and years will not become reality :

 

- toll roads (road tax will still be in place)

- diesels dirtier than Euro 6 not allowed into cities

- privatisation of the German motorwaysystem (payed off by road tax since the first stone layed at the Avus, Berlin in the early 1920s)

- electric cars only, from 01.01. 2030

 

Most of this rubbish is from the Greens and others from the Bavarian CSU or our utterly mobile finance minister.

[Svip]

Only the diesel one I agree with. But then again I hate diesel. And can't wait to laugh at people who bought a diesel engine thinking they'd do something for the environment. Suckers.

[marco6158]

When it comes to car control, I think the general population doesn't work their shoulders enough. In my Celica Reverse is next to 1st gear so you have to put it into reverse "with certainty" and some people I have let drive the car physically cannot put it into reverse without using both hands on the gear stick.

Experienced that when I tried my friend's Pajero (it's a 1991 model, lwb, 2.5 Diesel). Didn't use two hands but it was definitaly "harder" to change gears than the car I'm used to drive (and I drove). Still had a lot of fun driving it.

[Cudwieser]

German politics in a whole is "unehrlich" !

 

And I hope that everything they have put on the table the past few months and years will not become reality :

 

- toll roads (road tax will still be in place)

- diesels dirtier than Euro 6 not allowed into cities

- privatisation of the German motorwaysystem (payed off by road tax since the first stone layed at the Avus, Berlin in the early 1920s)

- electric cars only, from 01.01. 2030

 

Most of this rubbish is from the Greens and others from the Bavarian CSU or our utterly mobile finance minister.

Most of this rubbish is from the Greens and others from the Bavarian CSU or our utterly mobile finance minis

The Euro 6 plan isn't a bad thing as there is genuine good to come from it. If nothing else it helps with efficiency of engines as a fully combusted fuel shouldn't throw as much out the back by way of dirt and crap. Also keeping dirt out of the cities isn't a bad thing either. Saying that the wanten distortion of the figures and targets will prove the undoing of a good idea.

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Edited December 27, 2016 by Cudwieser

[K1FFLOM]

Only the diesel one I agree with. But then again I hate diesel. And can't wait to laugh at people who bought a diesel engine thinking they'd do something for the environment. Suckers.

Are you sure, you agree with it ?

 

Then you should want to ban trucks, vans, trains and boats out of cities too.

Keeping out old vehicles out of towns is the next thing coming. Like in Paris these-days. For what reason ?

CO-2 emissions ?

 

Then why not tax Iceland and Italy as a whole county for having active volcanoes ?

 

Emissions and exclusion zones, my back-side, LoL !

[Svip]

 

Only the diesel one I agree with. But then again I hate diesel. And can't wait to laugh at people who bought a diesel engine thinking they'd do something for the environment. Suckers.

Are you sure, you agree with it ?

 

Then you should want to ban trucks, vans, trains and boats out of cities too.

Keeping out old vehicles out of towns is the next thing coming. Like in Paris these-days. For what reason ?

CO-2 emissions ?

 

Not CO2, NOx! That's the killer. Plus diesel engines have a terrible sound. Plus lorry, bus and van engines are already kept pretty tight when it comes to environmental requirements in city centres (Have you not noticed the green sticker in many windscreens in Germany? Now imagine how to get one if you are a lorry!), so that won't make much of an impact. Plus I believe boats are excluded anyway.

 

It will only be personal vehicles that will be hit, which is fine by me.

 

I don't like what they did in Paris, because it also affected petrol vehicles, which means it is just a tax on poor people.

[K1FFLOM]

I have noticed the Stickers in the windscreens. And they are useless with too many exceptions.

 

Think of Hamburg with it's harbour. You are not allowed to drive into the city with a 1989 Volvo 240 DL, whilst one of those ocean liners lay anchored more-or-less directly in the city and quietly pollute legally.

 

I personally find these stickers a joke.

[epoxi]

It will be decades before there more electric engines than internal combustion engines on the road. Even with the proposed bans of no new cars with combustion engines in some countries by either 2025 or 2030. I mean, these countries won't ban foreign cars that would otherwise break these regulations.

 

I mean, isn't Germany planning something like this for 2030?

Yes, VW is planning cars that turn off the engine and hide the exhaust pipe whenever the vehicle thinks it's being emissions tested.

 

German regulators pretend not to know and before you know it Germany is the first 'emissions free' country on the planet.

 

That's not diesel rattle you can hear, it's just rapturous applause from the local wildlife.

[SouthLand]

I have noticed the Stickers in the windscreens. And they are useless with too many exceptions.

 

Think of Hamburg with it's harbour. You are not allowed to drive into the city with a 1989 Volvo 240 DL, whilst one of those ocean liners lay anchored more-or-less directly in the city and quietly pollute legally.

 

I personally find these stickers a joke.

 

 

Thank god in Spain they mail them to you, however it's NOT mandatory to have them in your windscreen... YET.

[K1FFLOM]

They are not mandatory here either.

If they want to make it mandatory then they should put them onto the license plates.

I do not want anything like that on my car. The license plates are enough imho.

 

And talking of those, I would love localized plates in different available designs (like in the USA) and the possibility to leave the front one off.

[Cudwieser]

And talking of those, I would love localized plates in different available designs (like in the USA) and the possibility to leave the front one off.

Do you have short arms and deep pockets ?

Edited December 28, 2016 by Cudwieser

[K1FFLOM]

Legally !

LoL

 

 

http://m.focus.de/politik/videos/polnischer-fahrer-griff-nicht-ins-lenkrad-bremsautomatik-stoppte-den-anschlags-lkw-am-breitscheidplatz_id_6417658.html

 

News in Germany that the emergency braking system fitted to the Scania-truck saved lives at the christmas-market in Berlin. It apparently made the truck come to an automatic standstill and unable to cause more damage.

This fact alone surely puts a little spice into the "old vs new" discussion.

 

And made me think.

Edited December 28, 2016 by K1FFLOM

[SouthLand]

They are not mandatory here either.

If they want to make it mandatory then they should put them onto the license plates.

I do not want anything like that on my car. The license plates are enough imho.

 

And talking of those, I would love localized plates in different available designs (like in the USA) and the possibility to leave the front one off.

 

Here, after 4 years of purchasing a new vehicle, you have to go through inspection where they put this sticker on forever. Everytime you go through inspection, they change the sticker for a new one.

 

 

 

 

Localized plates here will only cause people to scratch you car if you drive in the "wrong" place. Even if we had the French format that had the regional code and province info at the end like this:

 

 

 

Would cause trouble.