General US Politics Discussion

[El Dildo]

It's great how Trump is draining the swamp by getting rid of Flynn. We all knew this guy was very shady

Trump chose Flynn you stupid f/ck

[RollsReus1959]

I believe this past election just goes to show you how gullible half the country is when it comes to the news being reported. Lets put into perspective what transpired over the course of the election and till now.....

 

- First and foremost...the Russians did it. They hacked into the voting machines and helped Trump win the election.

 

- An internet frog, Pepe, is a racist. That was my favorite part of the entire election, not that Trump won, but half the country believing our beloved meme is a racist. Lucky the Democrats didn't convince their supporters to jump off a bridge. They may do it.

 

- Fast forward to recently...PewDiePie, YT most popular channel who has a teenage fanbase, is considered a racist and conspired with Russians to help Trump win.

 

- To top it off....Alex freaking Jones is a credible source. Everything he preaches have come to fruition.

 

What a time to be alive.

[El Dildo]

Alex freaking Jones is a credible source. Everything he preaches have come to fruition.

 

 

you need to seek professional help.

I dunno where the other Conservatives on this forum have disappeared to since the election ended.... probably too embarrassed to come around and defend the Don... but we need some actual sane people to come back into this topic in order to have an actual discussion. because this RollsReus guy is trolling at best and comically misinformed at worst.

 

he's proving every point we've made about the 'typical Trump voter.'

[RedDagger]

And here, we see a humble trump supporter being attacked by liberals and spouting off memes and the_donald rhetoric as a defensive mechanism. Foiled by this protective bubble, the liberals have to find some new prey and may not survive the winter unless they can find some actual discussion to feed off of.

[El Dildo]

we've let this dumbass troll take over the topic for the last 3 pages.

there's no need to dignify his ignorance any longer with serious replies. because he's not a serious person.

 

Trump picks Flynn.

Flynn is a scumbag who resigns.

RollsReus praises Trump.

 

this is RollsReus

[Creed Bratton]

Anyone who can claim that Alex Jones is a credible source is either a troll or mentally challenged. Either way, if we want to be able to have a normal discussion, a person like that shouldn't be allowed in this part of the forum.

[make total destroy]

Alex Jones is definitely legit, and is definitely not trying to sell you water filters, diet pills, and dick pills.

 

 

 

Alex Jones definitely believes in all of the things he says and is definitely not fleecing lonely, insecure and paranoid people.

[sivispacem]

It's great how Trump is draining the swamp by getting rid of Flynn.

You must live in some delusional fantasy world. Trump put Flynn there; it's a swamp monster he personally created.

 

 

We all knew this guy was very shady and most importantly he lied to the administration.

So shady that...Trump chose him for that position? Let's not forget that Trump new weeks before he even assumed the presidency, as did the rest of the world as that's when rumours started circulating, that Flynn had been playing sandbox diplomat with the Russians despite it being expressly illegal for him to do so. Trump has known for weeks, and he's only done something when he got publically outed. The basic rule of this regime appears to be "do what you want but don't get caught".

 

 

That is a big 'no-no' when it comes to the Trump Administration.

Hilarious, given Trump is a pathological liar.

 

 

I don't know how Trump can get stuff done when America's shadow government, these so-called intelligent agencies, are leaking valuable intel to the public

It's the job of the intelligence community to decide what is and what isn't suitable for wider dissemination. Its members are on the record as telling Trump about Flynn's illegal behaviour weeks ago, and yet Trump did nothing. The irony is that Trump, a man whose security clearance was rubber-stamped without any real due process, is not really in any position to be throwing around wild accusations about the leaking of classified information.

 

 

The shadow government

What is this McCarthyist bullsh*t? Typical that those on the right allege conspiracy the moment their apocalyptic incompetence is made public.

 

 

Time to catch the leakers and reform these so-called intelligent agencies.

Yeah, not likely. The US isn't a counterintelligence state like modern Russia, but they hold all the leverage in this instance. Not to mention Trump lacks the authority as President to implement any meaningful change, and a good portion of the Republican party are staunchly against interference (read- a politically motivated witch-hunt instigated by a megalomaniac) in the US intelligence apparatus.

 

And that's before we even start on this absolute crock of sh*t:

 

- First and foremost...the Russians did it. They hacked into the voting machines and helped Trump win the election.

- An internet frog, Pepe, is a racist. That was my favorite part of the entire election, not that Trump won, but half the country believing our beloved meme is a racist. Lucky the Democrats didn't convince their supporters to jump off a bridge. They may do it.

- Fast forward to recently...PewDiePie, YT most popular channel who has a teenage fanbase, is considered a racist and conspired with Russians to help Trump win.

- To top it off....Alex freaking Jones is a credible source. Everything he preaches have come to fruition.

Everything above is either an irrelevant red herring or simply factually wrong.

 

> No authoritative source has ever claimed that Russia hacked voting machines, though there's a myriad of evidence to support the hypothesis of Russian interference in the election.

> Pepe, as a symbol, has been adopted by the alt-right and neo-Nazis. That's a simple statement of fact. Whether or not that results in you concluding that the symbol itself is racist is an entirely different question, but I would argue that, if the Swastika's adoption by a far right movement makes that an explicit symbol of racism, then I don't see why Pepe should be different.

- Nobody ever claimed that PewDiePie conspired with Russia. The question of whether or not he used racist symbolism or language is largely cut and dry- he did, regardless of intent. To pretend otherwise is to effectively ignore fact.

- Alex Jones has never expressed a coherent thesis in his life.

[DangerZ0neX]

GOP and Trump supporters are upset about the leaked evidence of corruption rather than the corruption itself.

 

[RollsReus1959]

What corruption was leaked? Easing sanctions?

 

There is a video with Obama saying that he would lift sanctions once he gets into office and there was no outrage. Heck, Trump didn't even say these things. It was Flynn.

 

Fake Outrage is the new "Fake News".

[DangerZ0neX]

>being this ignorant

 

Uhhh, ever heard of Flynn and his Russian connections? Trump supporters are the real mental gymnasts here.

[sivispacem]

What corruption was leaked?

Someone illegally acting as a diplomatic representative of the United States? It's a federal crime under the Logan Act, punishable by up to three years in prison. Not to forget the ignoring of this fact by the Trump regime despite it being disclosed weeks ago, which could be argued to represent collusion or conspiracy?

 

You're hilariously ignorant of your own country's law.

[Svip]

Aren't we forgetting that what really pissed Pence and Priebus off was the fact that Flynn lied to Pence about the details of his conservation with the Russian ambassador? I am pretty sure Trump wanted to keep Flynn, but Priebus and Pence forced him to oust him.

 

Besides, there is a huge difference between someone saying in public they would ease sanctions once in office, than someone acting as if acting on behalf of a government saying the same thing in a private conversation to a representative of another government.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Svip

[DangerZ0neX]

Pence is a piece of sh*t sellout, but I'm sure that he'll be a better president than Trump in every conceivable way.

 

He'll still be a sh*t president, but he won't be as sh*tty as Trump even if he tried.

[sivispacem]

Aren't we forgetting that what really pissed Pence and Priebus off was the fact that Flynn lied to Pence about the details of his conservation with the Russian ambassador? I am pretty sure Trump wanted to keep Flynn, but Priebus and Pence forced him to oust him.

I'm fairly certain that Pence at least would have known the details of the allegations months ago, when Trump was first informed of them. I don't think he's been ousted by pressure from Pence or Priebus, though that probably hasn't helped. It's a combination of the public outing of his federal crimes as well as the blatant lies told to other people in the administration.

[RollsReus1959]

That's not corruption.

 

Breaking the law? Yes.

 

Just like when people try to accuse officials or Trump of being a traitor. You could only be a traitor if you are in a war with said country. We are not in a war with Russia.

[Svip]

 

Aren't we forgetting that what really pissed Pence and Priebus off was the fact that Flynn lied to Pence about the details of his conservation with the Russian ambassador? I am pretty sure Trump wanted to keep Flynn, but Priebus and Pence forced him to oust him.

I'm fairly certain that Pence at least would have known the details of the allegations months ago, when Trump was first informed of them. I don't think he's been ousted by pressure from Pence or Priebus, though that probably hasn't helped. It's a combination of the public outing of his federal crimes as well as the blatant lies told to other people in the administration.

 

My point was more to the effect that his ousting was not of Trump's doing, but rather that of Pence and/or Priebus. I've seen several reports that suggests Priebus was the master behind Flynn's resignation, and that Pence had voiced to Priebus that he was quite irate over Flynn's deception.

[darthYENIK]

This Trump press conference is horrible. Trump is saying nothing, once again. He's just sh*t talking CNN. Sure CNN isn't great, but this isn't what I want to hear from a president.

 

Just tell me what the f*ck you're doing, and stop campaigning. This is February, not last October. A good president works and tells the world what he's working on, and doesn't care about how the press portrays him.

 

He's still talking about Hillary Clinton. A lot. Because that's the only way he can cope with people not liking him.

 

And, as always, he's doing his bullsh*t art of the deal power move of never letting anyone finish a question. It's aggravating.

[Eutyphro]

Lol @ rollsreus thinking Alex Jones speaks the truth. That's almost as funny as thinking PewDiePie is a conservatieve.

Edited February 16, 2017 by Eutyphro

[sivispacem]

That's not corruption.

A member of Trump's inner circle committed a federal crime and then lied publicly about doing so.

Despite being provided evidence of the infraction by the intelligence community, Trump does nothing to address the issue, effectively burying it until it becomes public knowledge.

When both the federal crime and the public lies are exposed, Trump begrudgingly fires the individual responsible and uses this as an opportunity to attack the intelligence community, who he accuses without clear evidentiary basis of leaking classified information.

 

If you don't read the above and thing "corruption" that's an issue with your perceptions. It's literally the dictionary definition- "dishonest or fraudulent conduct by those in power". And yet I bet you were one of the most vocal advocates of the "corrupt Hillary" narrative despite the evidentiary basis for her alleged corruption being so much lower. Confirmation bias strikes again.

 

 

You could only be a traitor if you are in a war with said country.

Utter drivel.

[RollsReus1959]

Pretty good press conference from Trump.

 

What does everyone think?

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

This is nothing new but more and more experts and observers believe he is unfit for any form of presidency....

 

I'm starting to think the problem of a UK State Visit will resolve itself very soon. Not only did Eeyore invite him without permission from her maj (Doubly so, since she has expressed herself regrding her opinions of the man in the past), but she didn't really want him at the palace anyway, given The Great Orange Grope would be allowed to invite at least some of the guests. Given Dons' supporters in the UK compose Piers Moron, Farage and Katie Hopkins, it looks more and more like a "Who Not To Invite' session at the Palace!

 

She must be quietly hoping he's removed before he sniffs a chance to come over here!

[sivispacem]

What does everyone think?

I think you need to actually start responding to discussion points in this topic rather than ignoring anything you're intellectually ill-equipped to address.

That or stop posting in D&D, as you clearly have no interest in actual discussion.

[RollsReus1959]

This is nothing new but more and more experts and observers believe he is unfit for any form of presidency....

 

I'm starting to think the problem of a UK State Visit will resolve itself very soon. Not only did Eeyore invite him without permission from her maj (Doubly so, since she has expressed herself regrding her opinions of the man in the past), but she didn't really want him at the palace anyway, given The Great Orange Grope would be allowed to invite at least some of the guests. Given Dons' supporters in the UK compose Piers Moron, Farage and Katie Hopkins, it looks more and more like a "Who Not To Invite' session at the Palace!

 

She must be quietly hoping he's removed before he sniffs a chance to come over here!

 

Very hard to believe this fake diagnosis from these psychiatrists when they are breaking their own principles such as the Goldwater Rule.

 

It's like a doctor wanting to perform surgery without knowing the cause.

 

There were reports of him seeing a psychiatrist in the past and his/her evaluation has validity but I believe it is illegal to report a evaluation because of confidentiality.

Edited February 16, 2017 by RollsReus1959

[sivispacem]

Very hard to believe this fake diagnosis from these psychiatrists when they are breaking their own principles such as the Goldwater Rule.

The Goldwater Rule does not invalidate their conclusions. You can dismiss it as "fake" without looking like a tool once you show sufficient subject matter expertise for anyone to bother with your opinions.

[El Dildo]

You could only be a traitor if you are in a war with said country.

you are quite literally not intelligent enough to take part in this conversation.

why you haven't been banned from posting in this topic yet is beyond me.

 

why are we letting this blatant stupidity derail the entire thread?

 

[Svip]

I think he is referring to Article III, Section 3:

 

 

Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.

But that also clearly states 'adhering to their enemies'. War is not required. But is Russia an enemy of the United States?

[GTA_stu]

It's good to see a leader call the media out on their BS. Most journalists and news reporters these days are self serving propagandists who seek to push narratives. They use their profession to further their ideological views, just like those quacks and the mental health bullsh*t.

[sivispacem]

It's good to see a leader call the media out on their BS.

What "BS"? Seriously, what are you talking about?

 

 

Most journalists and news reporters these days are self serving propagandists who seek to push narratives.

You've just described literally every journalist, ever.

 

 

They use their profession to further their ideological views

...And literally every politician.

[Creed Bratton]

It's good to see a leader call the media out on their BS.

Sure. If only it made any f*ckin' sense. But aside from that little detail it's top notch! Go fascism!