General US Politics Discussion

[sivispacem]

This comes just after Podesta gets indicted for his involvement w/ a pro-Russia Ukranian group.

Eh? I don't recall either Podesta being inducted for anything. Tony being investigated, yes, bit not indicated.

[El Dildo]

...I'm guessing that their blind, irrational hatred for the other side of political spectrum is greater than their integrity or ability to comprehend that their own leaders are the biggest threat to their party.

you literally just described the modern American Republican party...

 

[Tchuck]

 

...I'm guessing that their blind, irrational hatred for the other side of political spectrum is greater than their integrity or ability to comprehend that their own leaders are the biggest threat to their party.

you literally just described the modern American Republican party...

 

 

 

I'd agree that it describes both sides, though. Specially on the comprehension of their own leaders as being the biggest threat.

[El Dildo]

as a group I'd argue that the modern American GOP is much more monolithic than the Democrats.

I think plenty of Liberals already "comprehend" the threat posed by the DNC which is why they didn't vote for Hillary and sat this election out.

[mr quick]

I think the dems, in general, are catastrophically out of touch. Every effort they make is increasingly cringeworthy and it's like they've lost their way tbh

[El Dildo]

we're conflating too many terms...

the Democratic party is not Liberal and most actual liberals that I know are not democrats.

 

Republican infighting is very different and demonstrably much more destructive than Democratic infighting. GOP infighting after Obama has resulted in arguably the worst administration in US history. DNC infighting just led to a bunch of weird divisions over sexual and economic battle lines. we can sit around all day and agree about how old and weak and lame Democrats are. but that was never my point. Democrats aren't in charge.

Edited November 3, 2017 by El Diablo

[K^2]

I think the dems, in general, are catastrophically out of touch. Every effort they make is increasingly cringeworthy and it's like they've lost their way tbh

Normally, that's when you start voting for 3rd party, but all of the popular ones are even worse. I'd like to have a good libertarian option, but Libertarian Party just isn't. If GOP and DNC seem to live in fictional world, it's at least a fictional world loosely based on this one. Libertarian Party seem to be working off a fiction set in another universe all together. They are followed by the We-All-Care-About-The-Environment-But-That's-Not-A-Platform-You-Don't-Even-Have-A-Plan-Of-Action-You-Can't-Just-Wish-Things-To-Be-More-Green Party. They usually shorten the name. And then there are a few more groups that that make it to ballots that make GOP assemblies look like Bob Marley concert in contrast.

 

DNC is objectively the least bad option we have to vote for. And yes, that keeps me awake at night sometimes. I voted for Clinton in the national election. I kind of felt bad about it, but that image you attached^ says it all.

[seven50iL]

I think the dems, in general, are catastrophically out of touch. Every effort they make is increasingly cringeworthy and it's like they've lost their way tbh

So much #BigLeagueTruth in this statement. How do you guy's feel about Elizabeth Warren regarding the rigged Dem primaries? Even though, I wasn't a Bernie dude I felt bad for my friends and people who supported him because he got shafted. Not cool!

[TheFrank]

Pure bs. They all knew it was fixed, they're just trying to distance themselves from Clinton.

[make total destroy]

Fox news is parroting a conspiracy theory that originated on /pol/, and that is probably going to get people killed later today.

 

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/11/03/antifa-apocalypse-anarchist-groups-plan-to-overthrow-trump-regime-starts-saturday.html

 

I guess they know their base these days.

Edited November 4, 2017 by make total destroy

[Creed Bratton]

Fox News is basically a terrorist organization.

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

^ Fox New's propaganda is getting progressively more desperate. They are starting to look more and more like Weazel News every day.

Bernie supporters should be more outraged about this than anyone, but I'm guessing that their blind, irrational hatred for the other side of political spectrum is greater than their integrity or ability to comprehend that their own leaders are the biggest threat to their party.

Bernie supporters were largely not even Democrats so it's not 'their party'. The largest cohort of US voters including Bernie himself are unaffiliated Independents. This is nothing new either. We knew the electoral system was rigged against Bernie from the jump.

 

 

Every effort they make is increasingly cringeworthy and it's like they've lost their way tbh

They have historically been the party that appeals to the lowest common denominator and thus avoid committing to any real principle aside from that. That approach is now more difficult with a nation so divided along a diversity of grievances. The Dems have no sense of vision; just anti-Trump and treading water until the Republican establishment obstructionists finally croak.

Edited November 4, 2017 by Triple Vacuum Seal

[El Dildo]

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/ap-explains-bergdahl-judge-weighed-complex-leniency-factors-163724068.html

 

gotta' love all the Real American Patriots who are calling for Bowe Bergdahl to be murdered in the streets just because they disagree with the judgement...

[Creed Bratton]

So the latest is:

- Paradise Papers revealed even more connections with people in Trump's cabinet to Russians.

- Mueller probably has enough to charge Flynn and his son

- Howard Dean thinks that Jared Kushner will be indicted for money laundering and that Trump is next on the chopping block.

 

Everyone who was truly interested in Trump's life before he decided to run for president knows by now that Trump was a money launderer for the New York mafia for decades. He had ties to the Genovese family FFS. He's not nearly as scared of the Russia investigation as he is of Muller investigating his earlier financial and estate deals.

[TheFrank]

To play Devil's advocate; it's impossible to be in real estate in NY and not have connections with the mob.

[Creed Bratton]

Holy bombshells. Carter Page just confirmed some of the key points of Steel dossier. Mainly the Rosneft sale that was discussed while he was in Moscow. Also, the Russian lawyer said that she's willing to publicly testify in the Senate that Trump Jr. offered her to change anti-Russian laws if Trump gets elected in exchange for dirt on Hillary. She's also willing to testify in Mueller's investigation.

 

Can you spell treason now, Trump supporters?

[darthYENIK]

To play Devil's advocate; it's impossible to be in real estate in NY and not have connections with the mob.

That's what I thought, but nothing has come up. You know some goomba would've came out by now if there was something. But he's always had the money to not be involved with organized crime. It's not like he couldn't afford to do things by the book if he wanted.

 

God that would be amazing if it turned out the mob was blackmailing the president. It would be terrible in the sense that no one wants criminals running the country, but when is that not true...

[Creed Bratton]

 

To play Devil's advocate; it's impossible to be in real estate in NY and not have connections with the mob.

That's what I thought, but nothing has come up. You know some goomba would've came out by now if there was something. But he's always had the money to not be involved with organized crime. It's not like he couldn't afford to do things by the book if he wanted.

 

God that would be amazing if it turned out the mob was blackmailing the president. It would be terrible in the sense that no one wants criminals running the country, but when is that not true...

The mob doesn't have any power anymore. Trump was associated with them back in the 80's. He had some shady deals with the Genovese and Fat Tony Salerno back in the day. All of those old school mob guys are either dead, in hiding or serving life.

[Not A Nice Person]

> When you're more excited about meeting a kpop star than the first lady of the United States

http://www.businessinsider.com/choi-minho-melania-trump-south-korea-2017-11

 

by the way what is even the point of this asia tour, all he's doing is ranting about North Korea.

Edited November 8, 2017 by Nice Person

[sivispacem]

It's a handy distraction from the continuing Russia relegations, uncomfortable financial impropriety of key Trump campaign figures revealed in the Paradise Papers, and from the pasting Republican candidates got in a series of state elections thus week.

[El Dildo]

virtually everything this administration does is a distraction from their legitimate scandals and complete inability to construct or pass legislation.

[Creed Bratton]

So Trump basically just betrayed the US. He clearly sided with Russia and Putin (ex-KGB) against his own intelligence community: http://edition.cnn.com/2017/11/11/politics/president-donald-trump-vladimir-putin-election-meddling/index.html

 

Let that sink in. The president of the US sided with their greatest geopolitical foe against his own intelligence agencies. This is unprecedented. He's quite literally acting like an agent of Kremlin. He's toast.

 

And Rex Tillerson is gutting the State Department: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/10/us/politics/state-department-buyouts.html

Edited November 11, 2017 by The Yokel

[Chiarii]

Choosing to believe a world leader isn't even close to a betrayal to the United States but I'm curious, why does anyone who isn't an American care?

 

On the one hand you'll criticize the cia, calling them evil for torturing terrorists, then on the other you'll defend them when it makes for an excuse to attack Trump.

 

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump should be more like Putin. Putin would never let the media churn out propaganda against him or let people on his own side actively f*ck with him, like DT has done with McCain and others.

[Creed Bratton]

Choosing to believe a world leader isn't even close to a betrayal to the United States but I'm curious, why does anyone who isn't an American care?

 

On the one hand you'll criticize the cia, calling them evil for torturing terrorists, then on the other you'll defend them when it makes for an excuse to attack Trump.

 

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump should be more like Putin. Putin would never let the media churn out propaganda against him or let people on his own side actively f*ck with him, like DT has done with McCain and others.

1. Putin is the leader of a nation hostile towards the US. And Russian meddling in the election is not a baseless accusation. It's a verified fact that only an imbecile would deny at this point. Or someone who knows perfectly well what the Russians did and why. Trump isn't choosing to believe Putin because he's a simple idiot who doesn't know any better. He's ignoring reality in favor of a fairy-tale told by an enemy because he's aware that he's a key figure in that reality. We get new glimpses of that rabbit hole almost on a daily basis now. He attacked pretty much every government body and the free press. He attacked families of dead soldiers. But there's one person that he can't say anything bad about - Putin. Trump is in Putin's pockets. You have to be blind not to see it. And he's scared sh*tless.

2. It's not just the CIA. It's literally every intelligence agency out there, including some from other parts of the world.

3. And what exactly is Trump supposed to do? Order a hit on politicians and journalists who criticize him? Lock up his critics? Because that's what Putin does. That's the kind of leader you want?

Edited November 11, 2017 by The Yokel

[Caysle]

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump should be more like Putin. Putin would never let the media churn out propaganda against him or let people on his own side actively f*ck with him, like DT has done with McCain and others.

 

As far as I know, six or more journalists who regularly criticized Putin were killed in his presidency. So yeah, nobody should be like him -_-

Edited November 12, 2017 by Caysle

[Clem Fandango]

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump should be more like Putin. Putin would never let the media churn out propaganda against him or let people on his own side actively f*ck with him, like DT has done with McCain and others.

He'll never let himself be voted out of office either.

[p∞ntang]

Putin's no more his own man than other world leaders like Trump. If his handlers want another guy, Putin can't stop them. Useless, tabloid Press misdirected scrutiny from real players Epstein and Sater onto Putin, because he's got this public facade of a deft man in control, and many people admire him for seemingly standing up to Murka. Not only do the Yid Mob pin Putin by the balls and Trump by the plugs, but our "free" press aren't allowed to investigate deeper into a century-old, international crime ring, because their bosses are all golf buddies.

[sivispacem]

 

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump should be more like Putin. Putin would never let the media churn out propaganda against him or let people on his own side actively f*ck with him, like DT has done with McCain and others.

As far as I know, six or more journalists who regularly criticized Putin were killed in his presidency. So yeah, nobody should be like him -_-

Not just journalists but political opponents. Most have ended up in prison on fabricated fraud charges. A couple have been found dead under suspicious circumstances. One was shot in the head in broad daylight on a bridge in downtown Moscow, and somehow nobody saw a thing.

[Svip]

I don't know, if Chiari doesn't believe in democracy, that's his prerogative. But rather than focusing on the man, one should be concern that there are so many people living in the West that don't actually believe in democracy any more.

 

And, honestly, I can sort of understand why. When you have corrupt leaders exploiting the democratic system to their advantage, where voters feel like they don't matter, it's no wonder they start thinking that the solution to the nation's ills (however they define them) is something else than democracy.

 

Hmm... what does that remind me of? Oh right, Adolf Hitler.

 

Not that I believe that's where we are heading, and moreover the threat of another world war is still diminished. But I still recognise that there is something stirring, which can hopefully be stopped before it becomes a threat.

 

Still, Trump will not be like Putin. Trump is just not cunning enough.

[El Dildo]

As far as I'm concerned Donald Trump should be more like Putin.

good thing no one listens to your concerns....