General US Politics Discussion

[El Dildo]

So, these cities aren't liberal? You're brightening my day lil boy

I used to think that GTA_Stu was embarrassing.

 

you've set the high water mark.

[Creed Bratton]

Now watch him try to move the goal posts yet again in an attempt to save face.

[Chiarii]

I'm impressed, most people would be humiliated by now. Every time I point something out you just casually shrug it off. I guess that's what happens to stupid people- they get used to always being wrong. You haven't made a point in 5 posts.

[El Dildo]

guys there's no racism in the United States because Chiarai knows his history.

 

350 years of slavery?

that happened in liberal states.

 

the KKK?

isolated group.

 

lynchings and racial profiling and job and housing discrimination?

totally isolated incidents.

 

Nazi rallies?

definitely only happening in liberal states. also isolated.

 

Joe Arpaio and the entire state of Arizona penal system?

another isolated incident. probably a closet liberal state.

 

New York striking down stop and frisk laws?

totally an isolated move by a liberal state.

 

Chicago's rampant racial-based corruption?

definitely still isolated. definitely a liberal conspiracy.

 

Baltimore's broken criminal justice system?

additional isolation. such a hippy state full of gay liberals am I right?

 

glad we cleared that up.

you f/cking moron

Edited September 14, 2017 by El Diablo

[Creed Bratton]

I'm impressed, most people would be humiliated by now. Every time I point something out you just casually shrug it off. I guess that's what happens to stupid people- they get used to always being wrong. You haven't made a point in 5 posts.

Wow, I don't think I've seen a clearer example of projection since Creationists were trying to accuse atheists and agnostics of confirmation bias.

[Chiarii]

When do we get to the part where we prove a culture of racism in American law enforcement?

[El Dildo]

we already did it.

catch up.

 

gravity is a thing, too, whether or not you acknowledge it.

[Chiarii]

You didn't prove dick. You just showed a correlation between liberal cities and racism and mentioned irrelevant bullsh*t.

 

Keep making me laugh.

[Creed Bratton]

When do we get to the part where we prove a culture of racism in American law enforcement?

Oh that is done. The evidence doesn't depend on your approval. We didn't post it for you to agree with it. No one gives a sh*t if you agree. We know that you're too stupid and too dishonest to admit when you're wrong. Which, incidentally, is one of the signs of low intelligence. The evidence is there for others to see it, and to see how dumb you are.

[El Dildo]

well that's the beautiful thing about data-driven consensus and objective reality; it doesn't require the approval of individual naysayers with a [racist] political agenda.

it's true in spite of your dumbass racist world view.

[Chiarii]

Remember that post I made to you a few weeks back? Go review.

 

Doubting racism is prevalent isn't racism you stupid piece of sh*t.

 

You haven't proved anything close to a culture of racism, which is the standard that you set up. Keep trying.

[El Dildo]

whatever you say, racist enabling, racist apologizer.

 

you're such an ignorant douche.

[Chiarii]

Says the man who calls blacks who vote conservative "uncle toms".

 

Out of the 3 people posting on this page, you're the most likely to be racist.

[El Dildo]

whatever helps you sleep at night, racist enabler, racist apologizer, racist excuser.

 

douchebag of an American.

you give the rest of us a bad name.

[Creed Bratton]

In other "Trump supporters aren't the sharpest knives in the drawers" news: http://www.newsweek.com/right-wing-us-news-sites-are-awash-russian-fake-news-says-sputnik-664241

 

They basically collectively fell for Russian fake news and propaganda. Which was also obvious to everyone with more than a few brain cells, but now we're supposed to treat it as news because of them.

Edited September 14, 2017 by The Yokel

[Chiarii]

I don't apologize or excuse racism. I just don't have a habit of crying wolf for kicks. You do.

[El Dildo]

you've done nothing but excuse racism when it's been presented to you in blatant unbiased sources.

 

you're a stupid douche.

I'm ashamed that people like you exist.

[Chiarii]

We both know you wish you were me. Do you understand the difference between skepticism about the prevalence of racism and excusing racism?

 

Clearly you don't.

[Creed Bratton]

Do you understand the difference between skepticism about the prevalence of racism and excusing racism?

Do you understand the difference between skepticism and denying reality?

 

Clearly you don't.

[Chiarii]

You haven't given proof of a culture of racism. A culture of racism implies that most cops are racist. A minority of cops being racist is normal human variation.

 

This failure to prove widespread racism is your fault.

 

Edit- Here's your way out: say most cops aren't racist or provide evidence that shows they are. Those are your only 2 options.

 

Let me guess "ughh chiari is stooped

Edited September 14, 2017 by Chiari

[El Dildo]

man doesn't believe in apples.

 

man is shown apples.

 

man calls them oranges.

 

you can only lead a dumbass horse to water.

you can't make a dumbass horse drink.

[Chiarii]

man doesn't believe in apples.

 

man is shown apples.

 

man calls them oranges.

 

you can only lead a dumbass horse to water.

you can't make a dumbass horse drink.

Oh look, I guessed right.

[El Dildo]

good one

[make total destroy]

Unless you can prove that literally every single cop ever has said mean things you can't prove the police as an institution is inherently racist guys you must just have low iqs which by the way is a completely flawless way to determine how correct someone's position is also I don't know how to not come off as a condescending asshole even when I'm completely wrong I mean I don't even need evidence to know I'm right cause I'm just so f*cking smart and you're so far below me because I am a genius and the smartest person on this video game forum so I'll just disregard any evidence provided anyway. It's a shame I didn't g e swept away in that hurricane lol

[Chiarii]

Considering I got temp'd for saying you should play in the street with your antifa playmates, I should fully expect you to get temp'd for saying you wish I was killed in the hurricane.

 

I should.... but I don't. For some reason, when the staff members see you they see some fragile little boy who needs protecting from me. When I see you, I just see trash.

 

You don't need to prove every single cop is racist- just prove most are. If you can't, then you can go f*ck yourself.

[Eutyphro]

Boy you don't get it do you. They're not absent at all. They're the lone voice of dissent toward what they'd also label the "present left wing extremism".

What are you even trying to say? That dissent towards left wing extremism is rare, and only coming from the far right? Both of those are false and ignorant things to say.

 

Meanwhile, you're no where near the "middle ground" because you keep buying their brand of bullsh*t and calling it enlightenment.

This is horsesh*t. But you buy into the fad of polarization just like the rest, because it makes you seem edgy and righteous. But actually polarization is simply very toxic.

 

You posted two videos

Three. You can't even count. I also mentioned the VICE Unite the Right video, where a white supremacist gets maced two times on camera.

 

Why did they bring their truck to the protest? Why did they bring a load of pepper spray?

For transportation? For self defence, possibly, which seems needed considering the level of assault at modern right wing protests? Bringing pepper spray doesn't automatically implicate you as an aggressor. But wearing face covering clothing and weapons at a protests does.

 

Well what kind of neutrality do you expect? As if everyone's going to be like "well we've criticised white supremacists enough for one week, let's turn our ire to those damn Communists who think I should make as much as my boss, the savages!" Why should anyone be concerned about Communism?

There are a plethora of reasons why we should worry about the far left. Firstly, their attack on intellectual diversity and freedom of speech. Secondly, the failing sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility they teach youth. Thirdly, because communism is a consistent economical failure that is especially cruel on the poor.

 

This is what puzzles me about these videos and how they're presented. We have Euty asserting that these individuals are Antifa, but aside from mentioning them in the tagline of the videos what is there to say they're actually Antifa? I mean a black clad protester is a black clad protester, not like they're waving Nazi flags or covered in white supremacist tattoos like the far right have been in some of the recent protests. Even if we ignore the argument from anecdote, and the taking issues with "mis" characterisations which are then immediately corroborated by following comments, very little here is in and of itself evidence of Antifa in particular employing thus tactic.

But Antifa isn't even an organization right? It's a ghost. We can't talk about it according to this logic. So therefore it can also never do wrong, because there can never be 'proof' for that. How convenient.

 

Also Euty, isn't it a bit disingenuous to post a load of out of context fragments of videos that you say support your views, and then take issue with an out of context fragments of a video used as a rebuttal against you?

I don't take issue with the fragments. I take issue with the idea that they disprove what I said.

 

What do you think the alt-right is? It's a term coined by Richard Spencer. They're Neo-Nazis in disguise. You'd have to be a f*ckin' moron to buy into the idea that the alt-right is something different from racists and the Neo-Nazis. And those Trump supporters that go out in the street to protest right next to Nazis and the KKK should be excused? You don't get to go protesting along with the Nazis and pretend to be a decent human being. If you march with the Nazis you deserve to get your ass kicked.

So, anyone, from the Gavin McInnes proud boys alt-light to the KKK, are all the same, are all 'Nazis', and should all be killed. That's what you want to say right? Not all of these right wingers march along Nazis, actually. It's a stupid generalization to think they do.

 

Where did I 'condemn people for using pepper spray'? Did you not see the part I bolded that stated the police stopped them but didn't arrest them? Did you miss that part?

Well, fair enough.

 

You know full well that if the roles were reversed, there would have been arrests made.

I'm not automatically convinced. I'm not convinced by generalizations that all police are racists and on the side of white supremacists.

Edited September 14, 2017 by Eutyphro

[Tchuck]

This is ironic because on one side we have a guy saying three videos prove beyond reasonable doubt that all members of a group use pepper spray all the time.

 

Conversely, we have a guy discounting countless instances of racism and prejudice on the part of the police force as isolated instances and not representative of a wider issue.

 

So which is it? Eutyphro, you said that all antife use pepper spray all the time. I call bullsh*t. Can you prove your statement without resorting to out of context YouTube videos?

[El Dildo]

I see or hear ONE insult from any of you, I'll Report this thread and whoever tossed the petty insult for Flaming. Grow up people.

you're just pouring gas on flames.

 

riddle me this.

how do you propose we respond to people who are so casually racist that they don't even recognize racism is an issue? there's no amount of polite and careful logic that will convince someone like that to see what is right in front of their face when they're so hate-bent on denying it. you tell me the proper response and I'll hear you out.

[Clem Fandango]

For transportation? For self defence, possibly, which seems needed considering the level of assault at modern right wing protests?

Why were they driving around? Are you kidding me?

 

These people weren't planning on leaving their truck. They were there to drive around heckling protesters

 

 

 

There are a plethora of reasons why we should worry about the far left. Firstly, their attack on intellectual diversity and freedom of speech.

This is a much broader problem that doesn't even originate with the radical left. This has been explained to you countless times, but you're incapable of admitting the liberal centre isn't some bastion of enlightenment.

 

For the millionth time: if this is all leftist 'neomarxism' why are liberal feminists at the heart of the phenomenon? How do you reconcile that?

 

 

 

Secondly, the failing sense of entitlement and lack of personal responsibility they teach youth.

Nobody here (including you) is concerned about entitled millennials. It's got nothing to do with pandering to leftists and everything to do with that being total garbage.

 

 

 

Thirdly, because communism is a consistent economical failure that is especially cruel on the poor.

Since you're referring to Communism as somesort of macroeconomic policy I'm guessing you actually mean Marxism-Leninism (a distinction you refuse to accept for some reason), in which case it still isn't accurate. How was it harsh on the poor? ML is associated with the largest period of economic growth in human history.

[Chiarii]

 

I see or hear ONE insult from any of you, I'll Report this thread and whoever tossed the petty insult for Flaming. Grow up people.

 

you're just pouring gas on flames.

 

riddle me this.

how do you propose we respond to people who are so casually racist that they don't even recognize racism is an issue? there's no amount of polite and careful logic that will convince someone like that to see what is right in front of their face when they're so hate-bent on denying it. you tell me the proper response and I'll hear you out.

Go ahead and quote one line from me that is racist and explain why. I'm guessing you won't be able to do this because, as someone who is not racist, I don't make those kinds of remarks. You'll just say some equivalent of 'lolomgwtfrofllmao chiari is sooo dumb wat a racist'.

 

For clarity, failure to show evidence of me being a racist after accusing me of such is equivalent to conceding to me. By the way, you need to man up and explain this yourself. If your a fifth of the person I am, you should have no problem shirking the aid of your buddies, especially the catfish. =P