General US Politics Discussion

[Creed Bratton]

I'm asking since you made a post bitching about it.

Exactly how dumb are you? Is that seriously how you interpreted my post? BTW, this is not about me. It's about Trump. It's about a man that is constantly breaking promises and lying about donating to charities. Let us also not forget that he took money from charity to buy himself a portrait.

 

Do yourself a favor and read the article, because it's becoming comically obvious that you didn't bother reading it.

Edited September 2, 2017 by The Yokel

[Uncle Sikee Atric]

The inability to give credit when it's deserved is kind of pathetic. Is there anything the man could do to earn your approval? I doubt it. As for the other bit, maybe save your unsubstantiated claims for about a year and come back when we see them come to fruition. As it stands, only one political figure has done anything of value.

I was giving credit to Trump, for doing exactly everything every President in that position has done and I cannot blame him for that. Whether I like the Groper or not, it's the right thing to do....

 

As for the longer term, we all need to wait and see whom gives the cash. The state will supply a substantial amount long term, but that's 'faceless money', that would have been supplied anyway and not affiliated to any 'politician', unless the Groper tries to pin it on himself as a great giveaway, which it wouldn't be as it would have already been pinned for that role by the political machine in D.C. and not magically pulled out of the Gropers' anal cavity.

 

Money will arrive from many other sources though, from the red cross and charity donation, to celebrity endorcement, sponsored events, webcasts and everything inbetween. That stream of money will include the Former Presidential 'Source Foundations' and other streams you my despice, just because of the names attached to it....

Edited September 2, 2017 by Uncle Sikee Atric

[Chiarii]

Do yourself a favor and read the article, because it's becoming comically obvious that you didn't bother reading it.

Between the two of us, I'm the only one who read it. As I said a few posts ago, the article questions where the money comes from- his personal wealth or his foundation. I even alluded to this in my very first response to this when I said 'all donations were appreciated whether they came from personal wealth or foundation's'. You're such an illiterate young man.

 

For the fourth and final time: how much did you donate to those of us affected by Harvey?

Edited September 2, 2017 by Chiari

[Saggy]

 

For the fourth and final time: how much did you donate to those of us affected by Harvey?

 

 

Why do you keep asking this as if if you living in Houston makes your squabbling better? You don't know if any members here donated, and if they did why would they disgrace a charitable contribution in order to turn it into fodder for arguing with the likes of you? In fact, the way you keep pulling into the argument the suffering of other people as a way to prop up your total utter lack of a point is disgusting. If you're so worried about who is and who isn't helping them, why don't you get off your damn PC or put your phone away and go rent a boat to start carrying people out of their houses? (Pretending you're actually of age to do so for a second). Seriously, if you're in Houston, what the f*ck are you doing bickering with us for? Shouldn't you be out there helping? But no, man, clearly Trump needs you more. You're a disgusting person.

 

Cue up the imaginary valiant struggles and heroic feats you've performed over the last few days...

[Clem Fandango]

 

Did you even bother reading past the title? Or were you too preoccupied sucking Trump's cock?

Unlike you, I did read past the title. I know you didn't read past the title because:

 

1) The article questions where the money comes from, whereas the title implies the money isn't coming.

 

 

The article suggests when Trump says 'his own money' he means money from a foundation named for him which he hasn't personally donated to since 2008. Rather he simply skims funds from the foundation by billing his expenses to it.

 

 

 

The inability to give credit when it's deserved is kind of pathetic. Is there anything the man could do to earn your approval?

This isn't Good Morning America, you are never going to hear anyone say "well done Trump, v presidential" for the same reason you won't see anyone praising Duerte (and there's a lot of nice things you could say about him). World leaders making not-horrible decisions isn't grounds for praise from random people who oppose their broader agenda and regard them as sleazy populists. The reason you see people on the telly doing this is because they are VSPs: people who exist to cultivate norms of unreasonable civility and discourage people from rocking the boat.

 

Notice that when people criticise Stalin they don't go "however, he did an excellent job of industrialising Russia cluck cluck well done."

 

On another note, why don't you tell me what it is you actually expect from Trump? Most people support him as a knee-jerk response to a bland political climate (he "doesn't need a teleprompter" etc.) or because they are jokers on 4chan. This is why they look past him being a sleazy businessman, a sh*tposter on twitter and having no real concrete policy agenda. Are you just trying 'trigger' people?

[Creed Bratton]

For the fourth and final time: how much did you donate to those of us affected by Harvey?

Why do you think that I have to answer that? I don't remember promising anything like Trump did. Do you? So let's try this again, because apparently you're too f*ckin' stupid to get it without it being explained to you multiple times.

 

THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME. IT'S ABOUT TRUMP AND WHAT HE DOES WITH THE MONEY FROM HIS FOUNDATION.

 

And the article isn't JUST about Houston, it's about all the other times that Trump lied about donating to charities. In that article there are links to other articles that talk about that. How the f*ck did that escape you?

Edited September 3, 2017 by The Yokel

[jatiger13]

The inability to give credit when it's deserved is kind of pathetic.

Give credit for what exactly? Doing what he's supposed to? While we're at it, let's also give him credit for not smearing the walls of the White House with his feces.

Apparently the bar is so low now, that he deserves credit for being somewhat competent for the first time.

 

He doesn't "deserve" credit. I know he needs it, but that's because he has the mental capacity of a 4 year old child. If he does what he's supposed to do, apparently everyone needs to clap their hands and say "yay" because he's being a good little boy.

 

 

I'll tell you what's actually pathetic. Thinking that Trump deserves credit for doing what he's supposed to do. That's pathetic and shows how low the bar is for him.

Edited September 3, 2017 by jatiger13

[Triple Vacuum Seal]

Well aside from the numerous surrounding cities and towns outside of greater Houston, is Trump going to ensure that Houston gets several tens of billions in federal funding just as the impacted areas did after Katrina and Sandy? The impact from both of those storms was less widespread. Or will he bar so-called sanctuary cities like Houston from obtaining all federal funding as he's clearly stated in recent months?

 

 

By the broad definition put forth by Republicans and this administration, just about every major city that doesn't proactively use its police forces to profile and report suspected illegals to federal authorities is a sanctuary city. Houston has been accused of offering sanctuary to undocumented immigrants despite never formally adopting the label of sanctuary city. A judge has blocked Trump's idiotic sanctuary cities executive order so I doubt it will be much of an issue. It's just worth noting how utterly clueless the guy is about the complexity of federal funding.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Triple Vacuum Seal

[El Dildo]

I was just pointing out that politicians who have lots of money and influence, like the Clintons and Obamas, are doing nothing. They don't care about the people when there's no more votes to be won. As for Trump, his early authorization for FEMA to get on the ground saved a lot of people. He did just fine.

yeah funny how you just assume Obama has done nothing.

besides responding in the most bare minimum way, Trump's policies have physically made the situation worse. you should really do some homework before you open that big ignorant mouth of yours...

 

"Years ago, Houston imposed higher elevation standards for buildings that were stricter than existing federal guidelines on construction in flood-prone areas. Before leaving office, President Barack Obama sought to toughen those national rules, to bring them more in line with those in communities like Seabrook. President Donald Trump, however, revoked Obama's executive order last month."

 

http://www.businessinsider.com/hurricane-harvey-trump-building-regulations-obama-2017-9

 

you heap blind praise on the POTUS while ignoring all other contexts of recent history. then again, context and facts have never been your strong suit.

 

I get it, you're a gay American with a soft spot for transgender people and immigrants. That doesn't mean your 'struggle' is real. Maybe we can find a gay Houstonian and ask which hardship was worse: being bullied for being gay, or watching his life's work wash away in a week as his home was destroyed.

me?

if you think I'm gay you should have a conversation with my girlfriend because she probably needs to know this information ASAP.

 

no, I'm not gay.

but it's nice to see your ugly, disgusting, superficial homophobia rearing it's head. look we get it. you're a bigot American with a soft spot for casual racism and sexism who cannot empathize with anything other than physical pain. you're allowed to be that way. it's a free country. nobody is stopping you from being a callous douche. that's your right.

 

but I happen to recognize how gay people, immigrants, and other minorities are being treated by our president; the man who is supposed to be the leader of all citizens. and I sympathize with people who are being oppressed. it's a shame that this oppression is being fueled and supported by the one person in the country who is supposed to be above such petty bigotry. it's an even greater shame that you think it's OK for him to behave this way. bigots tend to run in packs though...

 

you guys can keep yourselves warm by the light of your Tiki torches.

[ten-a-penny]

I get it, you're a gay American with a soft spot for transgender people and immigrants.

This is the most pathetic, empty, pointless and dumbest Ad-Hominim Attack I have ever seen yet.

 

I'm Straight. I'm a female. I STILL have a soft spot for LGBT+ Folk and Immigrants. Your post is retarded at best.

[Svip]

Listen, listen, gentlemen. I think it's safe to assume we are all gentlemen, including the ladies. I believe we can all agree that Chiari is just fulfilling his role of being on the wrong side of history. And doing so splendidly!

 

Keep at it, Chiari. I love how predictable your responses are getting.

[Eutyphro]

I believe we can all agree that Chiari is just fulfilling his role of being on the wrong side of history.

And what justifies your smug belief in your own goodness and being 'on the right side of history'? You're really getting ahead of yourself.

 

"Aren't we all on the right side of history guys, unlike Chiari? Ah, we are so great!" *barf*

[Svip]

 

I believe we can all agree that Chiari is just fulfilling his role of being on the wrong side of history.

And what justifies your smug belief in your own goodness and being 'on the right side of history'? You're really getting ahead of yourself.

 

"Aren't we all on the right side of history guys, unlike Chiari? Ah, we are so great!" *barf*

 

Oof, you know you are putting me in the hot seat, when you are asking me to explain the joke and how sarcasm works.

 

And even while the comedy is soaring, you make the effort to make a logical fallacy by assuming that I suggested I was on the right side of history. I don't recall that.

 

But I am sure you'll counter with it being further a punchline to the great comedy routine we are building here.

[El Dildo]

And what justifies your smug belief in your own goodness and being 'on the right side of history'? You're really getting ahead of yourself.

yeah the guy making homophobic-based insults really needs you to come to his defense.

 

f/ck off.

you're a white knight for white hoods.

Edited September 3, 2017 by El Diablo

[Creed Bratton]

I STILL have a soft spot for LGBT+ Folk and Immigrants. Your post is retarded at best.

His post is evidence of low IQ. I'm not exaggerating. Inability to empathize with others and to put oneself in other people's shoes is a sign of less than average intelligence. So is being socially conservative. These people literally lack the intellectual ability to comprehend other people's points of view and to empathize with their troubles.

 

Now watch what happens.

[make total destroy]

And what justifies your smug belief in your own goodness and being 'on the right side of history'? You're really getting ahead of yourself.

 

"Aren't we all on the right side of history guys, unlike Chiari? Ah, we are so great!" *barf*

 

 

lmao you're such a scumbag

[Chiarii]

 

the way you keep pulling into the argument the suffering of other people as a way to prop up your total utter lack of a point is disgusting.

 

The point is: if you gave nothing, say nothing. I'm just pointing out that worthless f*cks like the Yokel give nothing to charity, then criticize others for not giving either. It's pathetic. I think the funniest part of it is that he's too much of a coward to admit that instead of making a $5 donation, he sat on his fat ass all day browsing thinkprogress.com for anti-Trump articles.

 

But yah, I'm the disgusting one. Get f*cked pseudointellectual.

 

 

The article suggests when Trump says 'his own money' he means money from a foundation named for him

 

And my first response said 'any donations were appreciated whether they were from a foundation or someone's personal account'. Instead of aping me write something worthwhile. If not, just answer this: Does Donald Trump have the ability to dictate where funds in the Trump foundation go?

 

 

On another note, why don't you tell me what it is you actually expect from Trump? Most people support him as a knee-jerk response to a bland political climate (he "doesn't need a teleprompter" etc.) or because they are jokers on 4chan. This is why they look past him being a sleazy businessman, a sh*tposter on twitter and having no real concrete policy agenda. Are you just trying 'trigger' people?

 

I'll tell you exactly what i expect out of him. I expect him to deliver a hard right supreme court made up of young justices. I'm guaranteed to get this. His nominee list is made up of people in their 40s, so I get a right leaning judiciary until I'm in my 60s. Big win for me right? Oh, and I couldn't give a f*ck less if you're triggered or not.

 

 

Why do you think that I have to answer that? I don't remember promising anything like Trump did. Do you?

 

You did nothing. So, maybe stop criticizing people who did more than you.

 

 

Give credit for what exactly? Doing what he's supposed to?

 

So, a person should not get credit when they do something right, but should catch scorn when they do something wrong? Would you like to be treated like that?

 

 

Well aside from the numerous surrounding cities and towns outside of greater Houston, is Trump going to ensure that Houston gets several tens of billions in federal funding just as the impacted areas did after Katrina and Sandy? The impact from both of those storms was less widespread. Or will he bar so-called sanctuary cities like Houston from obtaining all federal funding as he's clearly stated in recent months?

 

 

By the broad definition put forth by Republicans and this administration, just about every major city that doesn't proactively use its police forces to profile and report suspected illegals to federal authorities is a sanctuary city. Houston has been accused of offering sanctuary to undocumented immigrants despite never formally adopting the label of sanctuary city. A judge has blocked Trump's idiotic sanctuary cities executive order so I doubt it will be much of an issue. It's just worth noting how utterly clueless the guy is about the complexity of federal funding.

 

I think that the threat to withhold money is more of a motivator for mayors to conform to his agenda rather than an actual threat. Even if it weren't I doubt that he'd apply it to a state that supported him. As you said, Houston isn't truly a sanctuary city. It's not very left leaning when compared to other major cities.

 

As for him being clueless, I suppose we can't all be all things. I don't expect anyone to be brilliant at everything.

 

 

Trump's policies have physically made the situation worse

 

Cite exactly how his policies have physically made this situation worse.

 

 

me?

if you think I'm gay you should have a conversation with my girlfriend because she probably needs to know this information ASAP.

 

no, I'm not gay.

but it's nice to see your ugly, disgusting, superficial homophobia rearing it's head. look we get it. you're a bigot American with a soft spot for casual racism and sexism who cannot empathize with anything other than physical pain. you're allowed to be that way. it's a free country. nobody is stopping you from being a callous douche. that's your right.

 

but I happen to recognize how gay people, immigrants, and other minorities are being treated by our president; the man who is supposed to be the leader of all citizens. and I sympathize with people who are being oppressed. it's a shame that this oppression is being fueled and supported by the one person in the country who is supposed to be above such petty bigotry. it's an even greater shame that you think it's OK for him to behave this way. bigots tend to run in packs though...

 

you guys can keep yourselves warm by the light of your Tiki torches.

 

 

It was an honest mistake. You are constantly crying over gays so I figured this issue must be especially personal to you. It is a bit odd though, you're so hard on for defending them and yet you immediately recoil when I assume that you're gay. I do not condone racism or homophobia. Never once have I said anything that could be construed as such by any reasonable person

 

Me not giving a f*ck about the 'suffering' of people who aren't actually experiencing suffering doesn't make me homophobic. Look, my point still stands. You compared having your entire life destroyed to being gay. There is no comparison.

 

BTW

 

 

 

 

You can't possibly expect me to take someone like you seriously. Here's a big f*ck you, from me and my immigrant girlfriend xD

 

 

 

 

 

This is the most pathetic, empty, pointless and dumbest Ad-Hominim Attack I have ever seen yet.

 

I'm Straight. I'm a female. I STILL have a soft spot for LGBT+ Folk and Immigrants. Your post is retarded at best.

 

 

Well, it was a mistake, not an attack. If me inaccurately assuming someone is gay is an ad hominem in your opinion, then that just means you think being a homosexual is wrong. They're just people; they aren't special or inherently worth any more than anyone else. Even if my post was 'retarded', it wasn't as stupid as you accusing me of being against a gov't monopoly of healthcare because 'a black guy did it'.

 

Oh and I didn't know you were a straight female. Wanna explain this? #230.

Edited September 3, 2017 by Chiari

[make total destroy]

Why are you so mangry?

[Eutyphro]

Inability to empathize with others and to put oneself in other people's shoes is a sign of less than average intelligence.

Empathy and intelligence are not related. Animals have empathy, and it is an ability with hormonal causes.

 

So is being socially conservative.

Possibly. I think there is a relationship between openness to experience, creativity, intelligence and progressiveness. I think that's true. But openness and empathy are distinct. You are confusing them.

 

Empathy is overrated anyway:

http://bostonreview.net/forum/paul-bloom-against-empathy

 

Edited September 3, 2017 by Eutyphro

[make total destroy]

 

Empathy is overrated anyway:

http://bostonreview.net/forum/paul-bloom-against-empathy

 

 

 

 

I like how you edited this to make it look like you're linking to something completely different than what you're actually linking to.

 

Dishonesty isn't very 'moral', Euty.

Edited September 3, 2017 by make total destroy

[Eutyphro]

That was accidental, not dishonest. I posted a random article about it. Then found an article by the author himself, which was better, and pasted it in there, but the link remained the same.

[make total destroy]

did you just google 'empathy is bad' or something

[jatiger13]

So, a person should not get credit when they do something right, but should catch scorn when they do something wrong? Would you like to be treated like that?

Doing what he's supposed to do does not deserve credit. His paycheck is enough credit, in fact, that's what a paycheck is for.

 

If I do what I'm supposed to at my company, I don't expect credit from people saying what a great job I'm doing.

But if I f*ck up, yeah, I would be deserving of scorn.

Thankfully, I'm infinitely more competent at my job compared to Trump at his.

 

 

Going above and beyond, that might be deserving of credit. But no, not for just doing the bare minimum. I'd expect you to have higher standards than that.

Edited September 3, 2017 by jatiger13

[Eutyphro]

did you just google 'empathy is bad' or something

No. It's a popular philosophical argument by Paul Bloom. It's read in many philosophy classes.

[Creed Bratton]

Empathy is overrated anyway

We are social creatures. If anything, empathy is severely underrated. And this is coming from an introvert who's anything but a people person.

Edited September 3, 2017 by The Yokel

[TheFrank]

Why are you so mangry?

 

Freudian slit?

[Eutyphro]

 

Empathy is overrated anyway

We are social creatures. If anything, empathy is severely underrated. And this is coming from an introvert who's anything but a people person.

You should read the article. Empathy is extremely biased. Empathy makes you care more about the well being of your friend than about something faceless and distant such as environmental catastrophy. Empathy is a motherly instinct. It works well for your ingroup. But it is too biased to be used to inform decisions that affect large groups of people.

 

But you are confusing another thing with empathy now, which is extraversion. Possibly extraversion and empathy are related through correlation. I think females score higher on both. But they are still distinct properties.

[Clem Fandango]

Instead of aping me write something worthwhile. If not, just answer this: Does Donald Trump have the ability to dictate where funds in the Trump foundation go?

You mean in terms of billing his expenses to it? Yeah he absolutely has power over that. He can not bill his expenses to it.

 

 

 

And my first response said 'any donations were appreciated whether they were from a foundation or someone's personal account'.

He hasn't donated to the foundation since 2008!

 

 

 

I'll tell you exactly what i expect out of him. I expect him to deliver a hard right supreme court made up of young justices. I'm guaranteed to get this. His nominee list is made up of people in their 40s,

You are defending Trump personally, yet your only defense of him when push comes to shove is something that we'd expect from any Republican.

 

 

 

Big win for me right?

Not really, since the policies they uphold are guaranteed to negatively impact you.

 

 

 

I get a right leaning judiciary until I'm in my 60s.

Well you are a teenager, and this system won't last another 45 years, so no you won't.

I think females score higher on both.

[Saggy]

 

 

the way you keep pulling into the argument the suffering of other people as a way to prop up your total utter lack of a point is disgusting.

 

The point is: if you gave nothing, say nothing. I'm just pointing out that worthless f*cks like the Yokel give nothing to charity, then criticize others for not giving either. It's pathetic. I think the funniest part of it is that he's too much of a coward to admit that instead of making a $5 donation, he sat on his fat ass all day browsing thinkprogress.com for anti-Trump articles.

 

But yah, I'm the disgusting one. Get f*cked pseudointellectual.

 

Lmao yeah and you're so morally bankrupt you can't even realize it to save face. You're basically sitting here calling The Yokel a piece of sh*t for browsing anti-Trump articles, meanwhile you're the one sitting on ass defending Trump while your community is undergoing chaos. The Yokel is criticizing a person for making false-promises, which you'd be all for if it wasn't Trump, and meanwhile you're just apathetically using the situation as a prop to suck his dick. Seriously, your community is in shambles, and you're wasting your time defending Donald Trump? A-S-S-H-O-L-E. You sit there espousing keeping your mouth shut, but meanwhile your own brand of sh*t you're spewing is 10x as vile as any perceived grievance on The Yokel's part.

 

I'm being 100% earnest and without rhetoric with this question, but don't you have better sh*t to do right now? I mean, I know your claims of victmihood were blown way the f*ck out of proportion and you're sitting dry in your skivvies ( probably in your parent's house ) and championing the Trump defense, but seriously all arguing aside, don't you think you should actually go do something? I mean you're right f*cking there. Take Trump's dick out of your mouth for a second, and go serve a soup line.

[Creed Bratton]

But you are confusing another thing with empathy now, which is extraversion.

Nope. All I'm saying is that I'm not a people person, but it doesn't stop me from understanding how important it is to empathize with other human beings. It can be specific - about a single person, or global - about a larger group of people. Mine is more global. I admit, I find it hard to empathize with an individual.

 

I read the article. I see where the guy is coming from, but what he talks about is more like sympathy. True empathy is much broader than what he's talking about. When most people in western civilizations are shocked more when they hear about a terror attack in US and EU as opposed to a terrorist attack somewhere in Baghdad, that's because of sympathy. It's quite natural, but not very optimal if you have so many groups of people thinking that they're better than others because others are different in this way or that way. That's how you get racism and other cute forms of [insert social group] supremacy.

 

I've experienced the difference first hand when I was a kid. When 9/11 happened, most people around me were thrilled. Because NATO had bombed Yugoslavia in 1999 they hated the US. Most of them still do. So during 9/11 people would watch the TV and cheer for the terrorists. I was horrified. I couldn't believe that all those people didn't understand what the people in the planes and buildings were going through, and that they were just innocent civilians. I was 12 years old and I understood more than adults. I didn't even question my judgement. It was clear as day that everyone else around me was f*cked up.