DLC Suggestion - Bikers 2.0

[dino722]

I am so over the sales mission I cant even describe it...The vans, the bikes and the trash truck are extremely slow and to much of a travel. Some missions are ok but jeez, it even rages me when i go up a normal hill and the post just doesn't want to. Cant even upgrade these vehicles.

[DeniLHell]

I would like a better selection of custom bikes. I don't mean more of the cliche extend rake bikes we are getting. More like this

 

these are harley davidson nightrods - the real life version of the western nightblade. so you already have what you wish for.

 

On Topic about the DLC and suggestions/wishes in this thread:

Biker DLC was great only things i still would like to be added are beards (for the guys of course), customizable handlebars (and maybe headlights) and for me most important PERMANENT membership. the way it is right now it's ok for CEO/VIP but MC's don't work that way.

 

The clubhouses are awesome - no pool table, no stripper pole but who cares when gemma teller morrow serves the drinks and you can watch your members puke when they had one too much.

The business is great - much more fun and variety then CEO.

I love the new clothes (most of them) some jackets/vests look pretty bulky on female avatars but we can finally wear boots over jeans, bracelets on both arms and the pre-DLC leather jacket can have a crew logo on it's back ...

The selection of bikes has been great. my biggest wish (the lycan) was not fulfilled but i'm really satisfied. there's atleast one bike for every kind of taste.

 

i would be fine with dual wield pistols/mp's but their accuracy should be drastically decreased.

and PLEASE no railgun (sorry Rexx) i hope i will never see this thing online.

 

I had big hopes for this DLC and really feared R* would f*ck it up - but for me it's been the greatest DLC of them all and a big success.

now R* it's time to satisfy the tuners community or add police/emergency/trucker/taxi/whatever missions.

 

sorry for that wall of text - i really need to get to sleep

Edited November 10, 2016 by DeniLHell

[Snoopbr]

GTAO needs to be more GTA. 'Police vs Robbers' is a good idea as a DLC as it is not well explored in GTAO, they could add plenty of cars, side missions, Cops 'n' Crooks adversary modes and much more...

[deadmemories999]

 

How all cry "no" ... just funny ...

 

Sure, other things also should come, have to come ... but if Rockstar brings a Biker DLC, then they should do it right!

 

Missing stuff is anyway:

 

- Increased MC member cap

 

Haha, no. You can already recruit a third of the lobby to your MC, and there's still a 4 player cap on Organizations. 8 is enough to control a good part of the map and get sh*t done.

 

 

Fore sure, because a MC consiter out of just 8 people ... at least i would say:

 

- 1x President

- 1x Vice-President

- 1x Sgt. at Arms

- 1x Enforcer

- 1x Road Captain

- 1x Secretary

- maybe 3x or 4x Member

- 2x Prospects

 

All in all = 11x to 12x People ...

 

And just by the way, i know enough MC-Crews who consiter out of 30+ mempers ... who cant play together because of this bullsh**

[Business_Cat]

Legit Businesses. Like Media or Banking XD

[Dacelo]

 

 

How all cry "no" ... just funny ...

 

Sure, other things also should come, have to come ... but if Rockstar brings a Biker DLC, then they should do it right!

 

Missing stuff is anyway:

 

- Increased MC member cap

 

Haha, no. You can already recruit a third of the lobby to your MC, and there's still a 4 player cap on Organizations. 8 is enough to control a good part of the map and get sh*t done.

 

Fore sure, because a MC consiter out of just 8 people ... at least i would say:

 

- 1x President

- 1x Vice-President

- 1x Sgt. at Arms

- 1x Enforcer

- 1x Road Captain

- 1x Secretary

- maybe 3x or 4x Member

- 2x Prospects

 

All in all = 11x to 12x People ...

 

And just by the way, i know enough MC-Crews who consiter out of 30+ mempers ... who cant play together because of this bullsh**

 

 

And an Organization of criminals consists of FOUR people? 8 is more than enough. Your petty qualms about it not being ~a REEL modersykle klub~ are irrelevant. Eight is enough.

[deadmemories999]

 

 

 

How all cry "no" ... just funny ...

 

Sure, other things also should come, have to come ... but if Rockstar brings a Biker DLC, then they should do it right!

 

Missing stuff is anyway:

 

- Increased MC member cap

 

Haha, no. You can already recruit a third of the lobby to your MC, and there's still a 4 player cap on Organizations. 8 is enough to control a good part of the map and get sh*t done.

 

Fore sure, because a MC consiter out of just 8 people ... at least i would say:

 

- 1x President

- 1x Vice-President

- 1x Sgt. at Arms

- 1x Enforcer

- 1x Road Captain

- 1x Secretary

- maybe 3x or 4x Member

- 2x Prospects

 

All in all = 11x to 12x People ...

 

And just by the way, i know enough MC-Crews who consiter out of 30+ mempers ... who cant play together because of this bullsh**

 

 

And an Organization of criminals consists of FOUR people? 8 is more than enough. Your petty qualms about it not being ~a REEL modersykle klub~ are irrelevant. Eight is enough.

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

 

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

 

Edited November 10, 2016 by deadmemories999

[brose_sfr]

PSA: you can make a permanant MC on Social Club.

 

I've been in mine for 3 years.

 

not sure why people think the biker update needs that option.

[DeniLHell]

PSA: you can make a permanant MC on Social Club.

 

I've been in mine for 3 years.

 

not sure why people think the biker update needs that option.

Biker dlc needs that option because thats how an MC actual works. being MC member is not a part time job.

yes we can form MC via RSC but do we have a clubhouse this way? no! can members do MC business when president is offline or afk? no! is money shared between members in a fair way? no!

and i want my VP to stay my VP as i want my road captain to stay my road captain and so on - i'm getting tired of doing this every session again.

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

[brose_sfr]

 

PSA: you can make a permanant MC on Social Club.

 

I've been in mine for 3 years.

 

not sure why people think the biker update needs that option.

Biker dlc needs that option because thats how an MC actual works. being MC member is not a part time job.

yes we can form MC via RSC but do we have a clubhouse this way? no! can members do MC business when president is offline or afk? no! is money shared between members in a fair way? no!

and i want my VP to stay my VP as i want my road captain to stay my road captain and so on - i'm getting tired of doing this every session again.

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

-clubhouses are a nice addition, but didn't really change how our MC works.

 

-our Officers have been hosting jobs/DMs/heist/race playlist since launch. we don't need to rely on just 1 member playing.

 

-money is earned. there's no need to "share" anything. we all work for each other to help meet each other's goals.

 

-our Officers are in place for as long as the club is satisfied with their performance. if not, a replacement is voted. nothing is decided by 1 member.

 

perhaps you should look into how GTAO MC are run, instead of your clouded idea of how "real MCs" are.

[DeniLHell]

man i'm living in a city with several MC's and know members of most of them - even the VP of one of those clubs.

my "idea how real MC's are" is far from being clouded. and only thing i said about that was : "being MC member is not a part time job"

and by the way i'm talking about how The DLC's MC feature is not working like a real MC - I never said that about the organization of RSC MC crews.

 

but as i said i'm pretty happy with the DLC just pointed out what could have been better in my opinion - no need to fight about it.

[gglenn1966]

They need a Bikers 2.0 release just to fix all the stuff they broke in Bikers 1.0.

[Dacelo]

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

[deadmemories999]

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

 

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

[brose_sfr]

 

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

 

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

it still is a "MC."

 

they didn't put in 2 officer positions because they would have no function in FR.

 

they capped the amount of members because lobby dominance.

 

the MC is disbanded after leaving a session because random people play with random people.

 

lol @ wanting realism in a crime game where your character is never arrested and comes back to life in 5 seconds after death.

[deadmemories999]

 

 

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

 

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

it still is a "MC."

 

they didn't put in 2 officer positions because they would have no function in FR.

 

they capped the amount of members because lobby dominance.

 

the MC is disbanded after leaving a session because random people play with random people.

 

lol @ wanting realism in a crime game where your character is never arrested and comes back to life in 5 seconds after death.

 

Change nothing on the points i wrote (I also already noted that the Secretary and Tailgunner are not so important for the gameplay) ... for example that it is ridiculous that all non-officers are "Prospects" ... here you may should inform yourself, what a Prospect is in a MC ... or that the main buisnesses of the MC's (red light milieu, bouncer buisness, illegal weapons trade) are missing ...

Edited November 11, 2016 by deadmemories999

[Dacelo]

You're literally talking in circles. Continuing to say that it's not realistic enough and smugly telling us to educate ourselves on what a 'real' MC constitutes is not an argument. The business point is understandable, though there isn't really a red light district in LS so that would require adding new buildings in, but the fact that the limit on the positions and number of positions available to MCs is a necessary omission for game balance is inarguable.

[deadmemories999]

Sure is this an argument ... where should be the problem for Rockstar to put in another rank to can make Propsects to Fullpatch-Members?

Futhermore make the 8 people border no difference ... you know, if a MC-Crew is bigger, then they will join simple with several ingame-MC's ... and the result is the same, they dominate the lobby, because they still will work together

[GTA-Biker]

I agree R* should at least rename the prospect rank into patched member.Prospects are not actual MC members (prospecting is a process of becoming a member),IRL they can't even wear a full patch.

However,I'm starting to think guys at R* don't even know the difference between a prospect and a patched member.In GTA 5 all the prospects in TLMC are already wearing a full patch,just like the one members with road captain or secretary rank wear.Even in GTA TLAD almost all the known members of TLMC Alderney chapter had officer ranks (Billy-president, Johnny-vice prez, Terry-sergeant at arms, Clay-road captain, Jim-treasurer, Brian-secretary, Jason-enforcer,only Angus wasn't said to have an officer rank,his rank is unknown),as if the chapter didn't have any regular patched members or as if they weren't important enough to give them a more prominent role in a story.

[KornbreadMaf1a]

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

 

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

it still is a "MC."

 

they didn't put in 2 officer positions because they would have no function in FR.

 

they capped the amount of members because lobby dominance.

 

the MC is disbanded after leaving a session because random people play with random people.

 

lol @ wanting realism in a crime game where your character is never arrested and comes back to life in 5 seconds after death.

 

Change nothing on the points i wrote (I also already noted that the Secretary and Tailgunner are not so important for the gameplay) ... for example that it is ridiculous that all non-officers are "Prospects" ... here you may should inform yourself, what a Prospect is in a MC ... or that the main buisnesses of the MC's (red light milieu, bouncer buisness, illegal weapons trade) are missing ...

 

You do realize real MC's aren't the same as SOA right? There isn't a main business for real MC's because they all differ and if there was one it would be trafficking meth because that has been a staple with most MC's for decades.

[deadmemories999]

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

 

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

it still is a "MC."

 

they didn't put in 2 officer positions because they would have no function in FR.

 

they capped the amount of members because lobby dominance.

 

the MC is disbanded after leaving a session because random people play with random people.

 

lol @ wanting realism in a crime game where your character is never arrested and comes back to life in 5 seconds after death.

 

Change nothing on the points i wrote (I also already noted that the Secretary and Tailgunner are not so important for the gameplay) ... for example that it is ridiculous that all non-officers are "Prospects" ... here you may should inform yourself, what a Prospect is in a MC ... or that the main buisnesses of the MC's (red light milieu, bouncer buisness, illegal weapons trade) are missing ...

 

You do realize real MC's aren't the same as SOA right? There isn't a main business for real MC's because they all differ and if there was one it would be trafficking meth because that has been a staple with most MC's for decades.

 

Just by the way, in my Crew are people who have to do with the Hells Angels in real live ... and just a little tip, 90% of the 1%er outlaw MC's are mainly involved into prostitution, the bouncer buisness, drugs and illegal weapons trade. Things like document- and money counterfeits are by far not so important ... i have no idea what this shall have to do with a TV-series

 

And just by the way, crystal-meth never was a "biker-drug". They goes more with cocaine, heroin and marijuana ...

 

[KemikalMbalinsce]

^Meth and bikers go together like spaghetti and meatballs. The term "crank" was created by bikers

[KornbreadMaf1a]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

 

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

 

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

 

it still is a "MC."

they didn't put in 2 officer positions because they would have no function in FR.

they capped the amount of members because lobby dominance.

the MC is disbanded after leaving a session because random people play with random people.

lol @ wanting realism in a crime game where your character is never arrested and comes back to life in 5 seconds after death.

 

Change nothing on the points i wrote (I also already noted that the Secretary and Tailgunner are not so important for the gameplay) ... for example that it is ridiculous that all non-officers are "Prospects" ... here you may should inform yourself, what a Prospect is in a MC ... or that the main buisnesses of the MC's (red light milieu, bouncer buisness, illegal weapons trade) are missing ...

 

You do realize real MC's aren't the same as SOA right? There isn't a main business for real MC's because they all differ and if there was one it would be trafficking meth because that has been a staple with most MC's for decades.

 

Just by the way, in my Crew are people who have to do with the Hells Angels in real live ... and just a little tip, 90% of the 1%er outlaw MC's are mainly involved into prostitution, the bouncer buisness, drugs and illegal weapons trade. Things like document- and money counterfeits are by far not so important ... i have no idea what this shall have to do with a TV-series

And just by the way, crystal-meth never was a "biker-drug". They goes more with cocaine, heroin and marijuana ...

 

I call BS on your people claiming they know 81 in real life especially since y'all don't think MC's traffic meth. Honestly I don't believe anything you say because it's clear you are just pulling it out of your ass.

 

The 1% MC culture is so closely tied to meth that they are responsible for calling it crank because they used to traffic it in their crankshaft.

 

The Bandidos are on trial for racketeering and one of charges in trafficking meth and other drugs but meth was the big one.

 

A federal indictment contends Pike and Portillo directed, sanctioned, approved and permitted other members of the Bandidos to commit murder, attempted murder, assault, intimidation, extortion, drug trafficking and other crimes to protect and enhance "the organization's power, territory, reputation and profits."

This one will make it that the last three or four Bandidos national President got locked up over trafficking meth.

 

Personally I don't think you know anything at all about real 1% culture because you are trying to state facts that aren't facts and are actually wrong. Trafficking meth and coke/weed/Pills/XTC/Mushrooms and other psychedelics , stolen motorcycles parts, extortion, and prostitution those are staples of most illegal 1% business. I don't know where you are getting this bouncer business idea from because that's just a job that some members probably have.

 

Your lack of knowledge on a subject you try to convince people you know is ridiculous. Almost everything you have said was wrong. You got the prostitution part right but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Saying meth was never a biker drug shows your lack of knowledge as does not mentioning stolen bike parts or just stolen bikes or extortion because 1% clubs have been involved with those since before you were probably born.

 

Still you can't say all MC's do this or that because it's not accurate. One chapter (charter for 81) could be into stealing bikes and prostitution with a little extortion then the next chapter might just be into manufacturing meth and trafficking it then a third chapter might do something else and so on and so on.

 

Another thing that is big in the 1% world is getting a smaller support club like the Black Pistons for The Outlaws to do most of the dirty work on the orders of the big club because it creates space between the club and illegal activity which makes it a lot harder to prove what they are doing.

[deadmemories999]

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, it's about the point to represent a MC on the right way, if you (Rockstar) already claim to bring a Biker MC DLC into the game ... and if i hear you talking i'm prety sure that you have absolute no idea about real MC's. I guess you even dont know why it is ridiculous that you have just 5 officer ranks and the rest is ingame called as "Prospects" as well as that you dont know the difference between a Prospect and a Fullpatch-Member ...

But ok, right, ingame you dont need a Secretary at least. But the rankoption to make Prospects to Members is still missing

How MCs work in real life is irrelevant - because this is not real life. My point is that it is unrealistic to want nearly half of a lobby in a single MC for game balance reasons.

Why should it be irrelevant? I quote here DeniLHell, because he said it perfectly:

 

 

if they call it MC they should make it a MC !

it still is a "MC."

they didn't put in 2 officer positions because they would have no function in FR.

they capped the amount of members because lobby dominance.

the MC is disbanded after leaving a session because random people play with random people.

lol @ wanting realism in a crime game where your character is never arrested and comes back to life in 5 seconds after death.

Change nothing on the points i wrote (I also already noted that the Secretary and Tailgunner are not so important for the gameplay) ... for example that it is ridiculous that all non-officers are "Prospects" ... here you may should inform yourself, what a Prospect is in a MC ... or that the main buisnesses of the MC's (red light milieu, bouncer buisness, illegal weapons trade) are missing ...

 

You do realize real MC's aren't the same as SOA right? There isn't a main business for real MC's because they all differ and if there was one it would be trafficking meth because that has been a staple with most MC's for decades.

Just by the way, in my Crew are people who have to do with the Hells Angels in real live ... and just a little tip, 90% of the 1%er outlaw MC's are mainly involved into prostitution, the bouncer buisness, drugs and illegal weapons trade. Things like document- and money counterfeits are by far not so important ... i have no idea what this shall have to do with a TV-series

And just by the way, crystal-meth never was a "biker-drug". They goes more with cocaine, heroin and marijuana ...

I call BS on your people claiming they know 81 in real life especially since y'all don't think MC's traffic meth. Honestly I don't believe anything you say because it's clear you are just pulling it out of your ass.

 

The 1% MC culture is so closely tied to meth that they are responsible for calling it crank because they used to traffic it in their crankshaft.

 

The Bandidos are on trial for racketeering and one of charges in trafficking meth and other drugs but meth was the big one.

 

A federal indictment contends Pike and Portillo directed, sanctioned, approved and permitted other members of the Bandidos to commit murder, attempted murder, assault, intimidation, extortion, drug trafficking and other crimes to protect and enhance "the organization's power, territory, reputation and profits."

This one will make it that the last three or four Bandidos national President got locked up over trafficking meth.

 

Personally I don't think you know anything at all about real 1% culture because you are trying to state facts that aren't facts and are actually wrong. Trafficking meth and coke/weed/Pills/XTC/Mushrooms and other psychedelics , stolen motorcycles parts, extortion, and prostitution those are staples of most illegal 1% business. I don't know where you are getting this bouncer business idea from because that's just a job that some members probably have.

 

Your lack of knowledge on a subject you try to convince people you know is ridiculous. Almost everything you have said was wrong. You got the prostitution part right but even a broken clock is right twice a day. Saying meth was never a biker drug shows your lack of knowledge as does not mentioning stolen bike parts or just stolen bikes or extortion because 1% clubs have been involved with those since before you were probably born.

 

Still you can't say all MC's do this or that because it's not accurate. One chapter (charter for 81) could be into stealing bikes and prostitution with a little extortion then the next chapter might just be into manufacturing meth and trafficking it then a third chapter might do something else and so on and so on.

 

Another thing that is big in the 1% world is getting a smaller support club like the Black Pistons for The Outlaws to do most of the dirty work on the orders of the big club because it creates space between the club and illegal activity which makes it a lot harder to prove what they are doing.

 

Sorry dude, Cynon84, a 32 years old Hells Angels Hangaround and BulltheHorse, a 36 years old Swiss free biker with several friends by the Angels are part of my team ... and both laugh about the nonsense you wrote here

 

Sorry, but "I don't think you know anything at all about real 1% culture because you are trying to state facts that aren't facts and are actually wrong" depents more to your claims

 

Seriosly, first you claim i'm a SOA fanboy, without knowing that i never whatch the series than you make some claims and call them "the only truth" as well as that you dont like that others have some real conections ... so at least claims over claims, who are at least just this, claims without real background. Sorry, but i cant take any of your words for seriously

 

Futher example ... "This one will make it that the last three or four Bandidos national President got locked up over trafficking meth" ... last time, Jeffrey Fay Pike, National-President of the Bandidos was arrested becuase of "directing, sanctioning, approving and permitting other members of the organization to carry out racketeering acts including murder, attempted murder, assault, intimidation, extortion and drug trafficking to protect and enhance the organization’s power, territory, reputation and profits" ... it was never said something about Meth, this is just a claim from you

Edited November 13, 2016 by deadmemories999

[Dacelo]

Sorry dude, Cynon84, a 32 years old Hells Angels Hangaround and BulltheHorse, a 36 years old Swiss free biker with several friends by the Angels are part of my team ... and both laugh about the nonsense you wrote here

I'm glad that these tough biker guys take the time out of their busy schedules to look at posts on f*cking GTAforums of all places.

[deadmemories999]

 

Sorry dude, Cynon84, a 32 years old Hells Angels Hangaround and BulltheHorse, a 36 years old Swiss free biker with several friends by the Angels are part of my team ... and both laugh about the nonsense you wrote here

I'm glad that these tough biker guys take the time out of their busy schedules to look at posts on f*cking GTAforums of all places.

 

So you are thuch a romantic? Biker sit the whole day on there bike, right on the freeway and so on? Belive me, the reality is much more different ... and btw, i never claim that they are here in this forum

 

It's ridiculous to see that the only way of argue is to try to attack the others credibility. Maybe you should reed my first post again. At least it is unimportant if Meth or Herion as buisness. More important at this point is, that the documents- and money counterfeits are a bad choose, that the majority of the clubs are much more involved into prostitution and illegal weapons trades as well as the bouncer buisness ...

 

Edited November 13, 2016 by deadmemories999

[KornbreadMaf1a]

 

Pike and two other Bandidos leaders - national vice president John Portillo, 56, and national sergeant at arms Justin Forster, 31 - were arrested In January following an investigation into racketeering, extortion, drug trafficking, murder and other violent crimes.

The indictment accuses them of sanctioning a three-year fight that included violent clashes with rival gangs and distribution of methamphetamine.

Biker gangs used to cook their own meth, but they realized that the cartels cook better meth, which makes sense because its what they do for a living, Dobyns explains, noting that Mexican cartels have easier access to the precursor chemicals needed for large-scale meth production.

 

However, the distribution networks the biker gangs have had for decades still exist, and thats valuable to the cartels. In any drug game, its who owns the territory that is what causes these fights, Dobyns says. Texas is a very valuable state for anyone in the drug trade because [the large border with Mexico] is important for smuggling operations.

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/fbi-biker-gangs-are-among-the-worst-gangs-in-america/

 

Mexican DTOs and criminal groups control most of the transportation and wholesale distribution of Mexico-produced methamphetamine. Hispanic street gangs, prison gangs, and OMGs also distribute wholesale quantities of the drug. Mexican criminal groups control most of the retail-level methamphetamine distribution in the state; however, Caucasian criminal groups as well as street gangs, prison gangs, OMGs, and various other criminal groups and independent dealers also distribute methamphetamine at the retail level.

 

That is coming from the department of justice and OMG stands for outlaw motorcycle gang

 

https://www.justice.gov/archive/ndic/pubs5/5624/meth.htm

 

I'm sorry but 1% clubs have been involved with trafficking meth since meth has been trafficked and that you dispute that destroys your credibility.

 

I do have a question though. Are you in a hells angels crew on GTA?

[KornbreadMaf1a]

 

 

Sorry dude, Cynon84, a 32 years old Hells Angels Hangaround and BulltheHorse, a 36 years old Swiss free biker with several friends by the Angels are part of my team ... and both laugh about the nonsense you wrote here

 

I'm glad that these tough biker guys take the time out of their busy schedules to look at posts on f*cking GTAforums of all places.That's not a valid argument because while I don't do it anymore I sold drugs and was involved in other illegal activity for over half my life and during that time I played some video games and I knew some straight up killers who played video games and I mean that literally because a dude I used to play COD 4 with is now doing life for murder in the aid of racketeering. People my age and younger grew up with video games and played them as kids so it's not surprising that they would continue to play some games as they got older plus when I was selling drugs I spent a lot of time at home and would only "work" 2-3 hours a day at the most and that was just driving to meet somebody somewhere and either sell something or reup. People,would be surprised at who some of the people they play online with actually are and if the person is a true gangster they will never talk about it while they are actively doing it if they are smart.

[deadmemories999]

 

 

Pike and two other Bandidos leaders - national vice president John Portillo, 56, and national sergeant at arms Justin Forster, 31 - were arrested In January following an investigation into racketeering, extortion, drug trafficking, murder and other violent crimes.

The indictment accuses them of sanctioning a three-year fight that included violent clashes with rival gangs and distribution of methamphetamine.

Biker gangs used to cook their own meth, but they realized that the cartels cook better meth, which makes sense because its what they do for a living, Dobyns explains, noting that Mexican cartels have easier access to the precursor chemicals needed for large-scale meth production.

 

However, the distribution networks the biker gangs have had for decades still exist, and thats valuable to the cartels. In any drug game, its who owns the territory that is what causes these fights, Dobyns says. Texas is a very valuable state for anyone in the drug trade because [the large border with Mexico] is important for smuggling operations.

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/fbi-biker-gangs-are-among-the-worst-gangs-in-america/

 

 

https://www.justice....5/5624/meth.htm

 

And i read there more about Mexican as well as Texan mafias and syndecates, then about MC's ... and oh wow, in Texas, a single US-American state where this is a bit more important ... because Texas is the whole USA, the whole world ... and at least i repead myself --> "At least it is unimportant if Meth or Herion as buisness. More important at this point is, that the documents- and money counterfeits are a bad choose, that the majority of the clubs are much more involved into prostitution and illegal weapons trades as well as the bouncer buisness"

 

As i already wrote to D.B. Cooper, it's ridiculous to see that the only way of argue is to try to attack the others credibility. Maybe you should reed my first post again ...

 

 

 

That is coming from the department of justice and OMG stands for outlaw motorcycle gang

 

May you should not be so arrogant and think about the point that i know such things?

 

 

 

I do have a question though. Are you in a hells angels crew on GTA?

 

Sorry, but nope ... and still, what you would prove with that?

[KornbreadMaf1a]

 

 

 

Pike and two other Bandidos leaders - national vice president John Portillo, 56, and national sergeant at arms Justin Forster, 31 - were arrested In January following an investigation into racketeering, extortion, drug trafficking, murder and other violent crimes.

The indictment accuses them of sanctioning a three-year fight that included violent clashes with rival gangs and distribution of methamphetamine.

 

Biker gangs used to cook their own meth, but they realized that the cartels cook better meth, which makes sense because its what they do for a living, Dobyns explains, noting that Mexican cartels have easier access to the precursor chemicals needed for large-scale meth production.

However, the distribution networks the biker gangs have had for decades still exist, and thats valuable to the cartels. In any drug game, its who owns the territory that is what causes these fights, Dobyns says. Texas is a very valuable state for anyone in the drug trade because [the large border with Mexico] is important for smuggling operations.

 

http://www.vocativ.com/underworld/crime/fbi-biker-gangs-are-among-the-worst-gangs-in-america/https://www.justice....5/5624/meth.htm

 

 

And i read there more about Mexican as well as Texan mafias and syndecates, then about MC's ... and oh wow, in Texas, a single US-American state where this is a bit more important ... because Texas is the whole USA, the whole world ... and at least i repead myself --> "At least it is unimportant if Meth or Herion as buisness. More important at this point is, that the documents- and money counterfeits are a bad choose, that the majority of the clubs are much more involved into prostitution and illegal weapons trades as well as the bouncer buisness"

As i already wrote to D.B. Cooper, it's ridiculous to see that the only way of argue is to try to attack the others credibility. Maybe you should reed my first post again ...

 

 

That is coming from the department of justice and OMG stands for outlaw motorcycle gang

 

May you should not be so arrogant and think about the point that i know such things?

 

 

I do have a question though. Are you in a hells angels crew on GTA?

 

Sorry, but nope ... and still, what you would prove with that?It's not just Texas it's the entire US they are talking about. Your credibility is questionable because you refuse to accept the fact that bikers have been involved with trafficking meth for decades. As I've said before the reason meth is called crank is because bikers used the crankcases on their bikes as a way to conceal meth and you don't get associated with a drug like that unless you are heavily involved with it which they are.

 

You keep mentioning "the bouncer business" and that's not a business it's a legal job that I'm sure some club members have but it's not like an entire MC is going to be guarding the door at some random bar so I don't really understand why you keep mentioning it. I agree with you on the prostitution and weapons trafficking but trafficking meth is still the most common illegal activity in the 1% world and that is pretty much common knowledge.