Players voting to kick (long rant)

[Guest]

Firstly, yes i know there is a B&M thread and that, regardless of how i word it, there will inevitably be some users who will not be able to resist linking that thread. I will ignore those users but i will say this: I seriously think this deserves it's own thread, particularly and especially in light of R*'s new ban policy. I think vindictive people voting to kick those who better them for no reason other than they cannot handle a loss is a serious threat to the game and every decent player who plays it. As i state further below, if it happens consistently enough in a short enough period of time, your entire progress could be wiped.

 

 

Now, I generally tend to participate in as many freemode events as possible and while not the best player, i tend to do pretty well yet it seems that recently while playing GTAO, I'm encountering an increasing number of players who resort to vote kicking when they either die or lose a freemode event.

Some recent examples include:

1.) Two guys in a kuruma trying to grief me. Despite killing them, they persisted in their efforts so i continue to defend myself and kill them. They vote to kick me.

2.) In Blaine County, just fartin' around minding my own business when again, two (different) players roll up and begin trying to kill me. I kill them a bunch before returning to the city so i can spray some cars. Exiting my garage, they appear to have followed me and blow me up immediately. I begin killing them again when i see the "kick" msg pop up. They're voting to kick me.

3.) Just now, I exit pay n' spray in the city when an MC, camping outside, kill me and blow up my vehicle. We have a back and forth, one puts a bounty on me, another sends a mugger etc. before a few of them separate from the pack to do a delivery, so i go off radar, get in a buzzard and blow them and their packages up, whereupon i am immediately met with the "Players are voting to kick you" msg.

Now, in each of these instances, they were the instigators. This is also consistent in most, if not ALL cases where this happens. Sometimes, the player(s) will pursue me relentlessly. Sometimes they will even send me msgs attempting to provoke me into pursuing them and it's all fine and dandy until things evidently don't work out how they planned whereupon they resort to kicking and i can only assume, reporting as well.

As if this isn't annoying enough, in light of Rockstar's recent change of policy regarding player bans, it could also have severe and permanent implications to the players on the receiving end, for doing no more than playing the game and/or defending themselves. Not for griefing, not for modding or glitching, not for hacking or anything like that, just for playing the game and engaging other players who evidently cannot handle a loss. And it's something i cannot relate to. I've had crates blown up, I've been griefed by both players with superior skill and hydras alike (yes, i make distinction between the two). In some cases, i do get frustrated. In some cases, despite my loss, i will send the other player a msg saying "gg" or acknowledging their skill. Yet in no case have i ever thought "oh i know, I'll report them and vote to kick them, that'll show 'em!". Worst case scenario, I'll go to a new session or go passive and get on with my game. There was even a post on a GTA subreddit recently by another user * specifically encouraging other players to engage in this vote-kicking, reporting-player behavior*.

As stated initially, this is becoming increasingly common for me personally. And this isn't even taking into account instances where players get voted to kick for merely being in the same session as a paranoid crew. Hell, I've had sessions where i *haven't even gotten a chance to leave my garage* before i am kicked. If this isn't the definition of bad sport, then i don't know what is. Yet **I'm** the one getting messages telling **me** to improve **my** behavior?

I know words like "toxic" get thrown around a lot by gaming communities but as much as i love GTAO, and i really do, a significant portion of the player base just f*cking sucks.

I think R* need to be aware of such mechanics being abused by what i consider lesser players. They are the true bad sports. And if a legitimate player is unfortunate enough to encounter enough of these people, then i again would like to point out it could have serious consequences.

I sure as hell don't want to receive a ban and have my entire progress wiped because some sore losers conspired against me.

**Tl;DR**- Players that vote to kick other players for simply playing the game are, imo, the absolute worst part of GTAO and R* should, in light of their new ban policies, implement a better way of determining who the "bad sports" really are.

[TaylorTheCreator]

Voting to kick is a good thing sometimes but when abused by a crew or a group of friends against players not doing anything, thats when it gets bad.

Edited October 28, 2016 by TaylorTheCreator

[M*A*R*I*N*A]

I got kicked from a race yesterday because they set it to Utility and I had a Sadler. #NotMyFault #SorryNotSorry

 

Edit: After I got kicked I got the bad sport warning, lmao.

Edited October 28, 2016 by HGR

[Skycam]

 

I've been dealing with Bad sport bullsh*t kicks/reports for 3 years and now that it might effect you, you get concerned. Forgive me if I don't give a f*ck. I read your TLDR that's it. Like you say [email protected] like the rest of us.

 

(I agree kickers/reporters are bad and the worst of sports but that's about all I will contribute here)

Edited October 28, 2016 by Skycam

[Guest]

Voting to kick is a good thing sometimes but when abused by a crew or a group of friends against players not doing anything, thats when it gets bad.

 

I understand if players choose to, say, kick a Hydra-griefer in an otherwise peaceful lobby. But kicking a play as a way to "win" or to have the last word against a player that the kicker has lost against, i think that's sh*t.

 

 

I got kicked from a race yesterday because they set it to Utility and I had a Sadler. #NotMyFault #SorryNotSorry

 

Edit: After I got kicked I got the bad sport warning, lmao.

 

Yes the "Bad Sport" warning just adds insult to injury, kinda like when you lag out of a session, only to receive a notification telling you you're in a lobby by yourself. Like, yeh, no sh*t.

[CaliMeatWagon]

I'm a kicker myself. But let me tell you something, I'm not a douche about.

 

I'll spend a couple hours trying to find an empty public lobby for a reason. And so when I do find one, I try to keep it empty. Now I won't attack you. I'll just send you a message "Please leave so you don't get vote kicked".

Why? Because allowing one other "peaceful" person into the lobby quickly turns into 20 players joining that I have no idea of their intentions. Why? Because I've had people screaming "I'm friendly" all the while attacking me. Why? Because R* chooses to leave overpowered weapons/vehicles in the game. And with those weapons a player can ruin hours of my gameplay within seconds with no consequences.

 

Now I will agree the use of the feature in your descriptions is a dick move. But honestly, you shouldn't expect any less from the GTA community. Too many 12 year old CoD players populate the servers.

[Schumy7]

Or against high level players.. lowlevel crew vote for kick -_- its retarted.

[Guest]

I'm a kicker myself. But let me tell you something, I'm not a douche about.

 

I'll spend a couple hours trying to find an empty public lobby for a reason. And so when I do find one, I try to keep it empty. Now I won't attack you. I'll just send you a message "Please leave so you don't get vote kicked".

Why? Because allowing one other "peaceful" person into the lobby quickly turns into 20 players joining that I have no idea of their intentions. Why? Because I've had people screaming "I'm friendly" all the while attacking me. Why? Because R* chooses to leave overpowered weapons/vehicles in the game. And with those weapons a player can ruin hours of my gameplay within seconds with no consequences.

 

Now I will agree the use of the feature in your descriptions is a dick move. But honestly, you shouldn't expect any less from the GTA community. Too many 12 year old CoD players populate the servers.

 

 

Look, i totally get the former example you gave. GTA is full of griefers, so to have that extra insurance is understandable, if nothing else and i do not get too riled up about those cases. The instances that get me are the latter ones, in which players use it as a "tactic" to "win" against players they've started a fight with. Then they tell their friends "lets vote to kick this guy/girl because we started a fight that we can't finish, and we can't simply concede to defeat".

 

Sometimes I'll play GTAO for hours at a time, and during this time will inevitably encounter both scenarios, it's unavoidable lately. And the longer i play, the more "votes to kick" i accumulate. I mean, it never really bothered me before, but now with the new ban policy, i cannot help but wonder if there may one day be a case where a long-term player has his or her progress wiped because, through no fault of their own, they have accumulated enough "votes to kick" and player reports in a short enough period of time. I would like to think that a ban, before being implemented would warrant a bit more scrutiny by R* and it would not be an automated process based on these things, but i do not know.

[CaliMeatWagon]

 

I'm a kicker myself. But let me tell you something, I'm not a douche about.

 

I'll spend a couple hours trying to find an empty public lobby for a reason. And so when I do find one, I try to keep it empty. Now I won't attack you. I'll just send you a message "Please leave so you don't get vote kicked".

Why? Because allowing one other "peaceful" person into the lobby quickly turns into 20 players joining that I have no idea of their intentions. Why? Because I've had people screaming "I'm friendly" all the while attacking me. Why? Because R* chooses to leave overpowered weapons/vehicles in the game. And with those weapons a player can ruin hours of my gameplay within seconds with no consequences.

 

Now I will agree the use of the feature in your descriptions is a dick move. But honestly, you shouldn't expect any less from the GTA community. Too many 12 year old CoD players populate the servers.

 

 

Look, i totally get the former example you gave. GTA is full of griefers, so to have that extra insurance is understandable, if nothing else and i do not get too riled up about those cases. The instances that get me are the latter ones, in which players use it as a "tactic" to "win" against players they've started a fight with. Then they tell their friends "lets vote to kick this guy/girl because we started a fight that we can't finish, and we can't simply concede to defeat".

 

Sometimes I'll play GTAO for hours at a time, and during this time will inevitably encounter both scenarios, it's unavoidable lately. And the longer i play, the more "votes to kick" i accumulate. I mean, it never really bothered me before, but now with the new ban policy, i cannot help but wonder if there may one day be a case where a long-term player has his or her progress wiped because, through no fault of their own, they have accumulated enough "votes to kick" and player reports in a short enough period of time. I would like to think that a ban, before being implemented would warrant a bit more scrutiny by R* and it would not be an automated process based on these things, but i do not know.

 

 

I'm not even sure BS points go towards bans. I think the bans are for cheaters and BS points are for "ass-hats".

[Rocket Skates]

I think R* need to be aware of such mechanics being abused by what i consider lesser players. They are the true bad sports. And if a legitimate player is unfortunate enough to encounter enough of these people, then i again would like to point out it could have serious consequences.

 

Agreed.

[Schumy7]

They should badsport the kickers!! Crybabys running for rockstars retarted report option when they lose.

[TeammateHelper]

I don't mind people who want lobbies to themselves. I mean, money, right?

 

But please message me beforehand before kicking me. I also make money getting my good sport and being on-call for heists 24/7. I'm willing to leave earlier than my on-call if you could just message me instead of votekicking me in under 10 seconds like a f*cking asshat.

[Rusty9130]

The thing about the kick system is it never has and never will work as intended. If a group of say,3 or 4 players are being spawn killed/griefed by a jetfag, they can vote to kick him and nothing will happen. It requires the majority of the lobby to vote for the person to actually be kicked.

 

How often does that happen? It's damn near impossible to get a full 16 or 30 or whatever player lobby to agree to kick that douchebag level 500 with a 12.7K/D and invisible body with floating monkey mask that's spawn killing people in a jet then going passive as soon as they go down to grab another one.

 

But it's entirely too easy for a group of CEOs or MC to vote kick everyone that joins their lobby, given that it's empty.

 

The whole vote kick system needs to go. As does badsport, and passive, and a million other cancerous things in this game.

[Rocket Skates]

The whole vote kick system needs to go. As does badsport, and passive, and a million other cancerous things in this game.

Beautifully said.

[CarimboHanky]

long story short... you wont get banned for kick votes, you only get badsport points!

 

i get 10-15 kick votes everyday when i go on my freemode griefin spree and still not banned!

[Gray-Hand]

Correct. The worst thing that could possibly happen is that you would get sent to the bad sport lobbies. You only get banned for cheating.

 

And if you get sent to the bad sport lobby based on the sheer number of kick votes, you must have been a real douchebag to a LOT of people.

[Punker104]

I got kicked from free mode for the first time ever today, I'd spawned in after racing, was just south of paleto. Called my buzzard as ceo and was flying to my El burro meth lab. Just as I got there and retired as ceo and was about to walk in the door I got kicked. Think there was two of three others in the map?? Never came across them, was there for maybe two minutes, was bizarre

[SniperPrincess]

Annoying assholes or people who refuse to cooperate in missions/heists deserve to get kicked. Or sh*t-players. If you keep f*cking dying over and over, bye bye. If you keep blowing people up for no reason, bye bye. If you keep yelling over mic for no reason, bye bye. If you are talking to yourself in the mic (another goddamn form of being annoying) and nobody is listening to you nor cares about what you have to say, bye bye.

 

Also, those who are saying "the kick system needs to go" are most likely the people I just described. If you get kicked, it's most likely because you deserved it. It requires more than 2 or 3 people to kick you in a public session, so that alone proves you're obviously doing something wrong. Yes, there are some people who abuse the system by doing things such as wanting the lobby to themselves, but that's on them. That's a whole other matter entirely.

[Thanasishim]

Yes it is ridiculous. When many people try to kill me and chase me throughout the entire map I will fight back and I will kill them repeatedly if they won't leave me alone

Edited October 28, 2016 by Thanasishim

[HeavyDuke]

They should badsport the kickers!! Crybabys running for rockstars retarted report option when they lose.

So much hate lmao, can you feel it burn deep in your soul?

 

People might just not feel like having to bother with you while doing certain missions.

[Guest]

long story short... you wont get banned for kick votes, you only get badsport points!

 

i get 10-15 kick votes everyday when i go on my freemode griefin spree and still not banned!

 

Correct. The worst thing that could possibly happen is that you would get sent to the bad sport lobbies. You only get banned for cheating.

 

And if you get sent to the bad sport lobby based on the sheer number of kick votes, you must have been a real douchebag to a LOT of people.

 

Well that is reassuring. I suppose my concern is the whole "where there is smoke theres fire" viewpoint where a player accumulates votes to kick for almost every session they are in, and this somehow triggers something. I mean, i am sometimes in a session for a few hours and will actively participate in most free-roam events with gusto, though will generally only sabotage VIP/MC work if the players in question have antagonized me in some serious way. Regardless, it seems that for the last few weeks, kicking has become increasingly frequent (for me, anyway) and is more commonly being used as some sort of "strategy" by players as some sort of trump card who like killing but don't wanna die.

[DangerZ0neX]

Dude, you posted this on Reddit two times, didn't you get your satisfied replies already?

[Guest]

Annoying assholes or people who refuse to cooperate in missions/heists deserve to get kicked. Or sh*t-players. If you keep f*cking dying over and over, bye bye. If you keep blowing people up for no reason, bye bye. If you keep yelling over mic for no reason, bye bye. If you are talking to yourself in the mic (another goddamn form of being annoying) and nobody is listening to you nor cares about what you have to say, bye bye.

 

Also, those who are saying "the kick system needs to go" are most likely the people I just described. If you get kicked, it's most likely because you deserved it. It requires more than 2 or 3 people to kick you in a public session, so that alone proves you're obviously doing something wrong. Yes, there are some people who abuse the system by doing things such as wanting the lobby to themselves, but that's on them. That's a whole other matter entirely.

 

I agree with the examples in your initial paragraph and should clarify i am talking exclusively about free-roam activities, where players use it as a way to "win" a fight. Also, it does not require more than 2 or 3 people if the public lobby only has 4 or 5. These people who abuse the system are not a whole other matter entirely but are, in fact one and the same, which is the matter at hand i am trying to discuss.

[Mach1bud]

You would have to get kicked soo much for it to actually put you in bad sport that it isn't even worth thinking about. It's really not that big of a deal. I don't kick people but when I have gotten kicked it's whatever, just load up a new session.

 

Also, they aren't going to ban you for being a bad sport.

[Guest]

Dude, you posted this on Reddit two times, didn't you get your satisfied replies already?

 

I posted all three threads at the same time, for it is an issue i am serious about and would like to bring to the attention of as large a portion of the community as possible. Not everyone who visits gtaforums visits reddit and vice-versa nor are the two sites, or even the two different subreddits i posted to (/r/gtaonline & GrandTheftAutoV) mutually exclusive.

 

Anyway, you posted a couple of identical threads on both of those subreddits as well as here recently, so what the f*ck are you on about DangerZ0neX?

[DangerZ0neX]

Anyway, you posted a couple of identical threads on both of those subreddits as well as here recently, so what the f*ck are you on about DangerZ0neX?

The f*ck are you on about? If you're talking about the Rockstar Money Wipe it was a PSA the community deserved to know and went on for hours without Reddit being notified, not a rant spammed on three different sections looking for attention.

 

Hell, I didn't even make the original thread on this forum, all I did was spread a message and you just spread your copy-pasted experience.

[Dacelo]

The thing about the kick system is it never has and never will work as intended. If a group of say,3 or 4 players are being spawn killed/griefed by a jetfag, they can vote to kick him and nothing will happen. It requires the majority of the lobby to vote for the person to actually be kicked.

 

 

Ask yourself, was that suffix really necessary? Can you not come up with something a little more mature?

[KornbreadMaf1a]

To me if people are voting to kick me all it means is I won.

[Nyamber]

To me if people are voting to kick me all it means is I won.

You're in a loading screen, and they are doing what they wanted. They won.

[Guest]

 

Anyway, you posted a couple of identical threads on both of those subreddits as well as here recently, so what the f*ck are you on about DangerZ0neX?

The f*ck are you on about? If you're talking about the Rockstar Money Wipe it was a PSA the community deserved to know and went on for hours without Reddit being notified, not a rant spammed on three different sections looking for attention.

 

Hell, I didn't even make the original thread on this forum, all I did was spread a message and you just spread your copy-pasted experience.

 

 

 

Don't bother talking to me about "looking for attention" and "ranting" Kenny, when you are here in this very thread doing exactly that. There are many things i am not interested in and/or feel are unnecessary (like furries), yet i don't feel compelled to announce that to those who are otherwise participating and staying OT.

 

Crazy, i know. But try wrapping your head 'round it

 

 

To me if people are voting to kick me all it means is I won.

 

Yes i agree with this sentiment. I mean, a vote to kick under the specific circumstances i have described could only be seen as a final act of desperation from a bad player. Of course, the bad player never concedes to being bad, there is always an excuse, isn't there? No-one ever just says, "Yes, you beat me, nice skills" or "hey man, nice shot" or just straight-up "i suck", no. It's always "oh, you used [x] weapon, only pussies use [x]". Losers always have excuses, and denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

Edited October 28, 2016 by Guest