GTA ONLINE New ban policy.

[OptiCog]

 

P4dronv your argument boils down to "cuz Rockstar said so", which is not a valid argument as it is based solely on the fallacy that an authority figure said it so it must be right or wrong (whichever they say). So no, you didn't win anything and my point still stands.

I see you choose incompetent. Duly noted. From here in I will treat you as the mentally challenged individual you clearly want to be viewed as.

 

Humiliate yourself however you wish. You're opting to ignore my argument in favor of throwing ad hominems and pretending your pretentious self-righteousness makes you right. In other words, no intelligent person would dare take someone so inept as yourself seriously.

 

I never said you shouldn't follow terms of service. Modded and got banned? That's your fault and your problem, you knew the risk when you modded. I'm not going to defend your ass if you get banned. That's my stance on it. What I argued is that many of the arguments that can be used against modded money can also be used as arguments against Shark Cards, yet many of the same people slamming modded money defend the existence of Shark Cards. But hey, if you want to ignore valid counterarguments in favor of putting words in my mouth and pretending your insults phase me then go ahead. It's really quite adorable how you think you're relevant enough to offend me and that you're even remotely close to being above my level intellectually, regardless of what you think that level may be.

Edited November 1, 2016 by aLucidMind

[Hunter]

All the strawmen aside, this is the logic that's being picked here - that the law is always right, always has been, and that we should always follow it. Which I don't believe, and have given some examples to show why I don't believe it.

 

If your argument is that because it breaks rules, no one should do it, then you also have to answer for those other rules that have been passed in history.

 

Or not. Probably better you don't actually.

 

Perhaps you should hold back on those extra servings of butthurt you've been adding to lunch.

Why would I (as you so childishly put it) be "butthurt"?

 

 

I'm holding onto plenty of money lol.

 

I just don't agree with the law always being in the right, and I think that if you think that would stop anyone from glitching money in this grind-y game, then you've got another thing coming.

Edited November 1, 2016 by Hunter

[afriendlyreddot]

I could care less about the people glitching $$$ because I am one of them and have noted that they usually do not cause as much trouble as the modded account billionaires whom have nothing better to do.

 

Regardless of yours, mine, or anyone else's interpretation of the rules they are all clearly stated and R* has the right to issue out reprimands to anyone that deviates, ourselves included. It would be unfortunate but as adults who have to abide by social norms and local ordinances in order to lead a successful life this should not even be that difficult to comprehend.

Edited November 1, 2016 by AbeePoo89

[OptiCog]

No one brought morals into it. Morals implies assigning a value of good or bad to something. This is a black and white issue. You dont have to like the rules the owner of the property asks you to follow, but you will follow them or they can tell you no.

 

You children are defending felony Theft (in most countries), changing Rockstars product thru the use of mods, and trying to justify it with weak arguments like comparing this to Nazi Germany.

 

That only shows that you are incapable of making a cogent factually based case so maybe if you sensationalize it no one will notice. Tough luck.

 

Bottom line, its not yours to make the choices you are supporting. You don't like it, no one is twisting your arm or forcing you to play at gunpoint. So don't expect any sympathy when your laziness bites you in the ass.

Nothing is ever black and white unless you only look at things from a superficial level. My argument is not and was not saying Rockstar are in the wrong when it comes to their ToS. But they are wrong in thinking that banning and applying new patches to "fix" things will do anything to reduce the number of people modding or that their current business model isn't anti-consumer to some degree. As for it being theft, that can be argued as there is no precedent one way or another that modded money constitutes theft, let alone grand theft. Not to mention that the loophole of "I didn't steal shark cards, I edited the code to give myself in-game money" is a possibility if this would ever go to a court of law, which it never will (which means referring to it as theft is largely a pointless argument to make).

 

But hey, at least there's something we can agree on. It may shock you, but you can have a sound understanding of why people are modding, the effects of the current business model, the (lack of) impact that Rockstar's current method of handling modders, and what would be better options for them to utilize while still having that stance while still having a "modded and got banned? Too f*cking bad" outlook on it. Then again, you come off as extremely simple-minded as the only thing you seem capable of grasping is "f*ck da mawdurs!" so forgive me for continuing to give the benefit of the doubt that you're intelligent enough to grasp this concept in the hopes that you're not actually as bigoted as your behavior makes you seem.

Edited November 1, 2016 by aLucidMind

[magical76]

I love seeing a level 8000 and reporting them and their 9999999999999.99999 K/D Ratio instantly

 

Seems to be more about after the 'clean up'.

[Big_Show]

I wonder why R* even bothered with this money wipe? I guess they've now learnt the hard way, you just can't stop the power of the people! Everyone I know that lost money is back over the $100 million mark with garages full of dupes. Mwahahahahahaaaaa!

 

Chop the head off one source of money, and several new ones come alive!

[OptiCog]

I wonder why R* even bothered with this money wipe? I guess they've now learnt the hard way, you just can't stop the power of the people! Everyone I know that lost money is back over the $100 million mark with garages full of dupes. Mwahahahahahaaaaa!

 

Chop the head off one source of money, and several new ones come alive!

 

I love seeing a level 8000 and reporting them and their 9999999999999.99999 K/D Ratio instantly

 

Seems to be more about after the 'clean up'.

 

Pretty much why just banning does nothing. Positive reinforcement and making things more accessible destroys negative reinforcement every time. When your only method is negative reinforcement, expect your target to just find another way of doing exactly what you don't want done even if it means continuing using the exact same method (assuming it still works) but more cautiously. There also needs to be a greater focus on making things less accessible for those who prove that they basically only bought the game so they can harass other people and ruin other peoples' fun, which (again) just banning modders won't successfully accomplish.

Edited November 1, 2016 by aLucidMind

[We Are Ninja]

All the strawmen aside, this is the logic that's being picked here - that the law is always right, always has been, and that we should always follow it. Which I don't believe, and have given some examples to show why I don't believe it.

 

If your argument is that because it breaks rules, no one should do it, then you also have to answer for those other rules that have been passed in history.

Under normal circumstances, I'd agree with this. You'd be hard-pressed to find a more emphatic anarchist than myself. No one asked to be born into this world, into their family, with their gender, into their country, or under the heel of their government. Resist. Always assert your sovereignty. No one is better than you. Or lesser (in most cases. f*ck pedophiles. Figuratively...).

 

But this here? This is a game. Right or wrong, BS or cool beans, you chose this. Per Merriam-Webster:

 

A game is "a physical or mental competition conducted according to rules with the participants in direct opposition to each other".

 

Players purchased this game and set out online assuming that the playing field was level, and that their competitors would play by the rules that they agreed to. That's the nature of competition. If you don't like the rules of the game, find a different game. The fact that you think dribbling is BS or anti-player doesn't mean that you can pick up the basketball and run to the other end of the court like a running back. There are rules and regulations in basketball. The fact that you think punching people is anti-fist doesn't mean that you can whip out a baseball bat in the middle of a boxing match. There are rules and regulations in boxing. There are rules and regulations in GTA. If you don't like them, or if they're too much for you to abide by, that's perfectly cool. Eject the disc and play something that better suits you. But to enter a competition against other players, cheat, then say that you're entitled to do so, or that you were forced to do so is bullsh*t.

 

EDIT: The above isn't directed at you in particular.

Edited November 3, 2016 by We Are Ninja

[cornelius85]

This is f*cking stupid.

 

 

Well guys my ban came to an end. Thankfully my characters were not reset. But they removed all my f*cking money. All 28 mil of it. Every penny was legit. Dont know if I should be thankfull or ask cockstar my money?

Edited November 2, 2016 by cornelius85

[P4DR0N3]

Sucks you lost an account with so much time invested. Let me ask you, will you risk your account again or has this changed your perspective?

[cornelius85]

well for me the risk was using Sp mods. Never done anything against the game rules. Because my thinking is glitching or cheating kills the fun of the game. Answer to your question is yes it changed my perspective uninstalled all sp mods. But to be honest all of this caused a ban anxiety. I lost my will to play the game.

[P4DR0N3]

All the strawmen aside, this is the logic that's being picked here - that the law is always right, always has been, and that we should always follow it. Which I don't believe, and have given some examples to show why I don't believe it.

 

If your argument is that because it breaks rules, no one should do it, then you also have to answer for those other rules that have been passed in history.

 

Or not. Probably better you don't actually.

@Hunter

I beg to differ on the point being debated. Its not about whether or not Laws are right or wrong. What "alucidmind" argued was in 17 pages no one could sufficiently argue why Shark Cards are ok and modded cash wasnt. I chose the legal angle because its not up to me or you individually but society that determines if a law is enacted.

 

To take something which doesnt belong to you is theft. All cultures I have knowledge of view theft as a crime.

 

Its not Rocket Science. We learn as children not to take things which do not belong to us. So no its not a matter of 'The law is always right'. Its a matter of if you REALLY want to debate the matter you should pick one you can support.

 

GTAO is not any player's personal property, so to imply or outright state that someone has a right to steal what others had to earn or pay for... is ludicrous.

 

I have said it several times now. ANY of you who want to disprove me has a way. You too can experience what Cornelius did. All decisions are FINAL with NO APPEAL. Do us all a favor and make sure to post about how angry "C*ckstar" made you so we can all learn from your example.

 

 

well for me the risk was using Sp mods. Never done anything against the game rules. Because my thinking is glitching or cheating kills the fun of the game. Answer to your question is yes it changed my perspective uninstalled all sp mods. But to be honest all of this caused a ban anxiety. I lost my will to play the game.

@Cornelius

I feel for ya. I would be upset at losing my legit account and I have about 1/8th time you invested. I dont think I would come back in your position. But thank you for the honest answer. I hope some of the readers that catch this thread dont have to learn your lesson for themselves.

Edited November 2, 2016 by P4DR0N3

[Hunter]

GTAO is not any player's personal property, so to imply or outright state that someone has a right to steal what others had to earn or pay for... is ludicrous.

Oh of course I have no legal right. But that wouldn't get in my way. Why would it?

 

I don't see it as theft, and wouldn't feel any remorse at all.

 

We all just move to a different vibe I guess.

 

well for me the risk was using Sp mods. Never done anything against the game rules. Because my thinking is glitching or cheating kills the fun of the game. Answer to your question is yes it changed my perspective uninstalled all sp mods. But to be honest all of this caused a ban anxiety. I lost my will to play the game.

I would just dupe some cars next time a glitch comes around. Even if you like to play legit - well if they're taking your money over some single player mods, I don't see hwy you shouldn't get some money quick.

 

Most glitched money seems to be unaffected, as far as I know.

[-GXP-]

Rockstar should just face it, this game is broken far beyond repair. Don't think there is much that can be done to save it as this ship has already sunk.

It was fun though for a while before all the modded bullsh!t started showing up. Crap like this is why I don't like playing online anymore and why I hate this community with a passion. I also don't get the whole modded account thing. I guess seeing grossly inflated statistics make people feel good about themselves? Like having an 8000 rank, a K/D in the millions, more money than Ghandi.

I can't call it.

[AmyStone]

 

This is f*cking stupid.

 

 

Well guys my ban came to an end. Thankfully my characters were not reset. But they removed all my f*cking money. All 28 mil of it. Every penny was legit. Dont know if I should be thankfull or ask cockstar my money?

 

 

Must be annoying but I think you should be thankful. If I was facing a complete character reset I'd be thankful for losing just my money. Glad you're still in the game.

[theNGclan]

well for me the risk was using Sp mods. Never done anything against the game rules. Because my thinking is glitching or cheating kills the fun of the game. Answer to your question is yes it changed my perspective uninstalled all sp mods. But to be honest all of this caused a ban anxiety. I lost my will to play the game.

You don't get banned for modding SP though. It never connects to netgame.

 

EDIT: Oh I see, you went Online with scripthook. Sorry about that.

Edited November 2, 2016 by theNGclan

[Furry_Monkey]

How can anyone not understand the reason why Shark cards are okay and modded money is not? Rockstar sell Shark cards, not modded money. The end result may be almost identical, but the fact of the matter is that modded money was gained without purchasing it from Rockstar.

 

That's why they wipe accounts and ban people. Isn't this really obvious?

[Gray-Hand]

The end result of the Shark Card regime is also that Rockstar continue to produce new content for the game rather than just letting it stay the same as it was in October 2013.

[DentureDynamite]

^^ In a number of aspects, I wish it was still 2013.

 

Yeah, I'd miss my proximity mines and Armored Kuruma, but would be enjoying my Entity XF and far less obnoxious LSPD; all without the Hydra and Insurgent griefing.

 

Only game I know that has consistently taken one step forward, and two steps back.

Edited November 2, 2016 by DentureDynamite

[SkynetOnlineID]

A lot of users in this thread reminds me of agent Smith in the Matrix for some reason. I think this is why I love it.

 

On the one hand you have people saying:

 

"You have a problem with authority, Mr. Anderson. You believe you are special, that somehow the rules do not apply to you. Obviously, you are mistaken."

 

On the other hand you have people saying:

 

"What you must learn is that these rules are no different that the rules of a computer system. Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken. Understand? Then hit me, if you can."

[DeucesR]

 

 

Whats considered ban/account wipe worthy

I would assume modded accounts fit the criteria. Also the invisible body parts and totally invisible bodies.

 

 

Also I still think they need to work with Sony, Microsoft, and Steam and if they ban someone in game, they should alert Sony/Microsoft/Steam to it because more than likely they are cheating in other games and it should result in a console ban on PS3/PS4 and Xbox 360/Xbox One and a total account ban on Steam.

Jeez, calm the f*ck down, Satan.

 

 

LMAO For real, ffs.

[deadx23]

A lot of users in this thread reminds me of agent Smith in the Matrix for some reason. I think this is why I love it.

 

On the one hand you have people saying:

 

"You have a problem with authority, Mr. Anderson. You believe you are special, that somehow the rules do not apply to you. Obviously, you are mistaken."

 

On the other hand you have people saying:

 

"What you must learn is that these rules are no different that the rules of a computer system. Some of them can be bent. Others can be broken. Understand? Then hit me, if you can."

*screams* I AM THE CHOSEN ONE!

(The bullet's represent the ban)