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Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread


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Made an update to the terrain map. Went in and fixed a few more issues. Added a more realistic colour pallet.      3D view: https://skfb.ly/6AXNp

I realise I don't have a good time of day, but note the gap in the floorboards in RDR1

I made this gif just to show the map matches. Credit goes to @TheWhiteHat for telling me about it!

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Drunken ramble

Sleep-deprived gibberish...

 

Solid argument. I like it.

 

FOR ANALHEIM!!

 

Yes the map discussion is over. I just want to clear up what I meant by the GTA analogy.

 

There is the Grand Theft Auto Series (GTA 1 to 5). Then there is the 2d, 3D and HD eras or series (2D is GTA 1 and 2, 3D is GTA 3 to VCS and the HD is GTA IV and V). The separate eras are contained in the same shared universe, example Mr Leone in San Andreas, GTA 3 and LCS. And Packie in GTA IV and V.The eras are in general one giant arc pf interweaving stories. It can be argues that the outcome of GTA 3 was indirectly caused by events in VCS. This is less of an extent in GTA IV and V however it is no doubt they are the same universe through loads of evidence. These two eras have no corssover, LC in 3 is not the same LC in IV.

 

Similarly, there is the Red Dead series.

Red Dead Revolver, and Red Dead Redemption. However the inclusion of RDR 2, and lack of relation between Revolver and Redemption suggest that there is now a mini series similar to GTA, that being the Red Dead Redemption series. Red Dead Redemption 2 can safely be assumed to be within direct relation of Red Dead Redemption

 

EDIT: I'm running on 3 hours of sleep, so you know what guys, I'm leaving the typos in

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I'm 90% certain that the purple dot south of Strawberry ends with the words "Mining Camp". Does anyone else see that?

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If we could get the geographical features such as the mountains and peaks of the old map on the new map it would be much easier to compare

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Anyone else curious as to why the small purple text is far less legible compared to all other colors with small text? Why does the district line blur and overwrite the small purple text (in the Aberdeen Pig Farm region) but all the other colors with small text go over the district lines?

 

if the map is real, I believe all text that isn't the small purple text is added in through photoshop. Not to say it's incorrect or won't be in the game, just saying it was added in after the fact. Whether or not the 'shopper was informed is up to you to decide.

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Anyone else curious as to why the small purple text is far less legible compared to all other colors with small text? Why does the district line blur and overwrite the small purple text (in the Aberdeen Pig Farm region) but all the other colors with small text go over the district lines?

 

if the map is real, I believe all text that isn't the small purple text is added in through photoshop. Not to say it's incorrect or won't be in the game, just saying it was added in after the fact. Whether or not the 'shopper was informed is up to you to decide.

I think it just has more to do with the color of it. The purple is lower contrast than the other colors and therefore it's harder to read and will bleed more.

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Anyone else curious as to why the small purple text is far less legible compared to all other colors with small text? Why does the district line blur and overwrite the small purple text (in the Aberdeen Pig Farm region) but all the other colors with small text go over the district lines?

 

if the map is real, I believe all text that isn't the small purple text is added in through photoshop. Not to say it's incorrect or won't be in the game, just saying it was added in after the fact. Whether or not the 'shopper was informed is up to you to decide.

I think it just has more to do with the color of it. The purple is lower contrast than the other colors and therefore it's harder to read and will bleed more.

 

that and the size of the text. Also resolution of the leaked map

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IGN did a trailer analysis which seemed to suggest that a lot of The Heartlands area is based on Oklahoma. And then you have Bayou Nwa and New Bordeaux which are based on Louisiana, The Grizzlies which I presume is the RDR universe's version of the Rockies, Roanoke Ridge which I think is based on North Carolina, and an island which might be located in the Carribean with both Spanish and French colonial influences.

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I feel like these are the states that could be in Red Dead Redemption 2 judging by the name "heartland" also, it could be referring to the Fly Over States, the Great Plains & Forgotten Land. Personally this is how I see the map's inspiration:

 

Maybe not the most credible source out there, but a very interesting read, you guys should look at it about the heartland: http://www.heartlandeindhoven.nl/info_EN.php

 

Arkansas

Illinois (Maybe)

Louisiana

Missouri

Texas (Along With A Bit Of Oklahoma)

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Reddit user yuv912 found evidence supporting the leaked map theory.

 

 

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Not sure we can call this "evidence". Maybe I'm missing something, but this scene could be placed almost anywhere on the map ... ? We can't say the house is the pig farm, and the forest doesn't really look like a forest.

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Updated!

 

I couldn't see the Mining part though. There seems to be more letters in that purple haze south of Strawberry. If it wasn't so damn hard to read the Purple title on the legend then it'd help give some context to all the purple labels in the world.

 

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Reddit user yuv912 found evidence supporting the leaked map theory.

 

maybe it's the "Clingman" ranch
Also i think I see a road that crosses the railroad

 

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Alright, while I'm at it, I'll try debunking the oil field, even though I agreed with precedent posts. I'm really puzzled by this scene, I think there's a big confirmation bias going on here.
First, the mountain we see are really hard to identify clearly and I don't think our deductions should be based on these as they don't offer very specific caracteristics.
Now, I don't think it's the same thing we see in scene 13 and 15 either.

 

In scene 13, we can see the "refinery" with two chimneys and trees on it's right but not on it's left. Plus there's this big windmill thing that's much taller than the other structures. Finally, what's further on the left seems really flat.

In scene 15, we can indeed see some structures like the ones in scene 13, but I can't find the windmill (and I looked very hard for it). I think we can see the whole thing with the "every frame" pack, and it's not there, correct me if i'm wrong.
We can also see a building on the left of the "oil field", but no big chimney here, again, correct me if I'm wrong. There also seems to be trees on each side of the building that we should see in scene 13 if it was the same place.
And the other side of the "oil field" is clearly elevated, so scene 13 could not be switched, as the left side of the screen was relatively flat.

 

Finally, about the leaked map part : I don't think it matches either, even if we say the oil field in scene 13 is the same that the one in scene 15.
I'll quote for context

 

Oil fields

 

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I guess it can be the same from here

 

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And here it is on the leaked map

 

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Sorry guys, but I think that leaked map is real

 

 

So. If "kerosene & tar" is the refinery like someone said before, it's really too close in the screens. The Oil Field marker is REALLY close to the river, but in the screens, there seems to be quite a bit of land behind it. (Edit: oops, nevermind that)
Then, if 15 and 13 are two separate places, that means there's another oil field, which I havent found on the map.

Just because there's an oil field (or, for that matter, that there is a house near a traintrack) isn't enough to say the map is real. And for now, nothing confirmed the map, there's only potential positions. We would need multiple linked locations that fit into the map, or a clean proof to confirm it as real.
Try to make Dupzor's post and mine correspond using the map, there's always something in the way, at least for now. So for now, I'm slightly towards "fake", but that could change !
Oh and please stop linking one specific house with any location, each house won't be marked on the map. Like, scene 7, there's a house near the windmill, but there's also a house in the background behind the fence. I don't think you'll find two farms that close on the map.

(I'm sory if I'm being rude, that's note my intention, but if think it's critical to be... critical. And like I said, I'm open to any contradiction :))

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So. If "kerosene & tar" is the refinery like someone said before, it's really too close in the screens. The Oil Field marker is REALLY close to the river, but in the screens, there seems to be quite a bit of land behind it.

That's not a river. The blue line is the river. The purple line is just the border between different areas.

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So. If "kerosene & tar" is the refinery like someone said before, it's really too close in the screens. The Oil Field marker is REALLY close to the river, but in the screens, there seems to be quite a bit of land behind it.

That's not a river. The blue line is the river. The purple line is just the border between different areas.

 

Oh wow >_< that explains why that didn't shock me sooner, I'm so dumb :'D

I'll correct that, thanks.

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Here's the landmass for each game if people want to play around with them.

 

I'm sure there's some Photoshop plugin out there that counts pixel colors. Find out what each pixel distance is equal to game distances (google search size of GTA or RDR 1) then multiple the pixel count to find how much land exists in each game.

 

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The original Red Dead Redemption looks like a T-Rex head with a Rooster on top if it :p

 

Pixel counts:

RDR2: 91,207

GTAV: 230,257

RDR: 59,385

 

Approximate land areas in square miles:

RDR2 8.8

GTAV 22.3

RDR 5.8

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Here's the landmass for each game if people want to play around with them.

 

I'm sure there's some Photoshop plugin out there that counts pixel colors. Find out what each pixel distance is equal to game distances (google search size of GTA or RDR 1) then multiple the pixel count to find how much land exists in each game.

 

 

 

The original Red Dead Redemption looks like a T-Rex head with a Rooster on top if it :p

 

Pixel counts:

RDR2: 91,207

GTAV: 230,257

RDR: 59,385

 

Approximate land areas in square miles:

RDR2 8.8

GTAV 22.3

RDR 5.8

 

Wow. Im glad R* is going for a smaller more dense and visually better game. Lets hope the AI and physics are good

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Updated!

 

I couldn't see the Mining part though. There seems to be more letters in that purple haze south of Strawberry. If it wasn't so damn hard to read the Purple title on the legend then it'd help give some context to all the purple labels in the world.

 

 

K6EThfh.jpg

 

 

Mocto Post is actually something Rest, seems like Monte Rest to me.

 

The river below West Elisabeth is Lower Montana River, where as the river above it is Upper Montana River.

 

Crlard Slaughterhouse is Criard Slaughterhouse. Criard is French for loud or yelling.

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I feel like this is how the trailer aligns with the leaked map. Obviously, there's no solid information, but I think we're on to something for sure.

 

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Shot 1: There's two black marks on the map that could actually be those two big rocks in the centre of the shot. And we know that the oil fields from the inferno shot is to the right of the horses.

Shot 2: The oil fields seem to face the same sort of direction as shot 1 because of the mountains.

Shot 3: It faces North based on the same mountain peak to the left of the cowboys and the oil fields. It's also a "Pig Farm", maybe Aberdeens on the map.

Shot 4: It looks like it could be facing west based on geography, that train may be coming from Valentine across the heartlands.

Shot 5: Based on geography, i get the feeling that this ranch is on the other side of the river. the mountains are closer and rotated to the left.

Shot 6: Wide shot of the heartlands. The rocks and mountains match up.

 

I'm still skeptical about the valley creek unless someone can prove otherwise? Can you see how the creek bends, and it seems to split into two sections one goes behind the trees to the left...

 

 

 

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I feel like this is how the trailer aligns with the leaked map. Obviously, there's no solid information, but I think we're on to something for sure.

 

 

 

Shot 1: There's two black marks on the map that could actually be those two big rocks in the centre of the shot. And we know that the oil fields from the inferno shot is to the right of the horses.

Shot 2: The oil fields seem to face the same sort of direction as shot 1 because of the mountains.

Shot 3: It faces North based on the same mountain peak to the left of the cowboys and the oil fields. It's also a "Pig Farm", maybe Aberdeens on the map.

Shot 4: It looks like it could be facing west based on geography, that train may be coming from Valentine across the heartlands.

Shot 5: Based on geography, i get the feeling that this ranch is on the other side of the river. the mountains are closer and rotated to the left.

Shot 6: Wide shot of the heartlands. The rocks and mountains match up.

 

I'm still skeptical about the valley creek unless someone can prove otherwise? Can you see how the creek bends, and it seems to split into two sections one goes behind the trees to the left...

 

 

 

3rE2cFT.jpg

 

 

shot 4 actually takes place on place 3 on the map.

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Proof

 

 

I feel like this is how the trailer aligns with the leaked map. Obviously, there's no solid information, but I think we're on to something for sure.

 

 

 

Shot 1: There's two black marks on the map that could actually be those two big rocks in the centre of the shot. And we know that the oil fields from the inferno shot is to the right of the horses.

Shot 2: The oil fields seem to face the same sort of direction as shot 1 because of the mountains.

Shot 3: It faces North based on the same mountain peak to the left of the cowboys and the oil fields. It's also a "Pig Farm", maybe Aberdeens on the map.

Shot 4: It looks like it could be facing west based on geography, that train may be coming from Valentine across the heartlands.

Shot 5: Based on geography, i get the feeling that this ranch is on the other side of the river. the mountains are closer and rotated to the left.

Shot 6: Wide shot of the heartlands. The rocks and mountains match up.

 

I'm still skeptical about the valley creek unless someone can prove otherwise? Can you see how the creek bends, and it seems to split into two sections one goes behind the trees to the left...

 

 

 

 

 

 

shot 4 actually takes place on place 3 on the map.

 

Your proof of that?

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It seems like R* might use the old map

 

 

 

 

Wait, where on the map was that shot taken? If that's anywhere near where I think it is, then the "Leaked Map" has to be real because of the positioning!

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