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Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

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Cutter De Blanc

Screwing around doing the Angelo Bronte glitch, I went to the post office to pay off my bounty. I was surprised to see that West Elizabeth and New Austin are not on the list of states in this mission. I only have the option to pay my bounty off in Lemoyne, Ambarino and New Hanover.  This glitch is curious. Makes me think whoever thought this was a leftover backdoor way into New Austin might be correct.

 

EDIT: And as I suspected, I can explore New Austin in this mission, with John by my side

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DuPz0r

So you can go all the way to NA inside of that mission when trying to avoid the lawmen?

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Cutter De Blanc
15 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

So you can go all the way to NA inside of that mission when trying to avoid the lawmen?

Yes, at the part where you are supposed to return to Bronte. Robbed Herbert Moon, Tumbleweed's Gunsmith, and their General Store. There was no law in Tumbleweed also,  I had to shoot some guys to get them to show up. I also could not use the saloon, the bartender only had the option to greet him. Really the weirdest part was that WE and NA didn't show up when I went to pay my bounty. They had to have coded it like that.

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a z
4 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

EDIT: And as I suspected, I can explore New Austin in this mission, with John by my side

Well that's an epic screenshot in the making if you find the right backdrop for Arthur and John!

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AndyGanteks

Oh damn, thats a great find. I was going to test that out myself a few weeks ago, but never gotten to it. Screens of Arthur and John in NA now!!!!

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Cutter De Blanc
48 minutes ago, alz said:

Well that's an epic screenshot in the making if you find the right backdrop for Arthur and John!

The time is stuck at like midnight, with foggy weather, so it would be tough to get a cool looking one

 

You can change your clothes at any general store,  but you only get the clothes you started the game with during replay. I'm not even sure you get a camera

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a z

Aw man.  Too bad there's not a weather cheat

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AndyGanteks

Good thing i have a save right before the mission, i'm gonna go there with my decent gear rather than on mission replay with few items, and see how it all plays out.

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koeklin

Bonjour

 

Stawberry's water mill is based on the Glade Creek Grist Mill (Babcock State Park - West Virginia)


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French quarter: Doyle's Tavern (Saint Denis - RDR2) and 700 Bourbon Street (New Orleans)

 

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But inside, the bar and its marble fountain are based on the Old Absinthe House ones.

 

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Notice that the Old Absinthe house (Bourbon street) is also in the game :

 

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Garden District: One of the images below shows Sandra Bullock's House in New Orleans, the other one is just a screenshot of a videogame:

 

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it's off topic but... Two French paintings in The Metropolitan Museum of Arts (NYC)

"The Mouth of a Cave"by Hubert Robert (1784) at the ground floor of the mansion in "the gilded cage" mission

 

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Second floor of Bastille Saloon: "The toilette of Venus" by Francois Boucher (1751)

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DuPz0r

Damn @koeklin that's some fine detective work.

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a z

More echos of cut content.  The other night I noticed the Landmark icon "Fort Riggs Holding Camp".  I know it's empty and must've been for something cut.  Strange the icon still popped though.  Getting closer to it... the icon disappeared from the mini-map.

 

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Also there's this weird disconnect between where the Stranger Mission for writer Evelyn Miller is supposed to be.  He's holed up in the old Tanner's Reach cabin, yet the map notes his camp out in the wilderness.  Sure enough, there's a unique campsite there.  I don't think it's the same campsite as the hunters he harrasses.  If it is, a lot of the Hunter content was removed leaving this one campsite with his name on it.

 

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Lastly... the Official Guide says there's "A gruesome corpse pit just east of Aurora Basin".  I rode around and couldn't find anything suggesting that.  Lots of places the Skinner gang has appeared, but not pit o' bodies.

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ThroatSlasher2
4 minutes ago, alz said:

Lastly... the Official Guide says there's "A gruesome corpse pit just east of Aurora Basin".  I rode around and couldn't find anything suggesting that.  Lots of places the Skinner gang has appeared, but not pit o' bodies.

Wouldn't that pit be the one filled with the football team?

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Morgan

So, in the leaked version they had Mexico...maybe they have dlc plans there?

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tonko
37 minutes ago, Morgan said:

So, in the leaked version they had Mexico...maybe they have dlc plans there?

I'm no expert in making games but Mexico is fully updated. That must mean something down the road.

 

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Harmonica
3 hours ago, Morgan said:

So, in the leaked version they had Mexico...maybe they have dlc plans there?

The leaked map? No, it didn't even have New Austin. 

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Jabalous

Most of Nuevo Paraiso is viewable from New Austin, at least most of the unique landforms, so it's no wonder that they modeled it after Redemption with enough details when looking from the distance. Therefore, I don't think any of this indicates a plan to open up the Mexican side for exploration or a future story DLC. I'd personally love to visit that side with more stories to tell in the single player. No Red Dead fan would decline to experience more stories! 

 

 

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ThroatSlasher2

You can see the old RDR1 textures in Mexico when free roaming there. The trails are hard to spot but you can see them. I don't think they updated it that much, just enough so its not a distracting eyesore from New Austin.

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Tonesta
10 hours ago, alz said:

More echos of cut content.  The other night I noticed the Landmark icon "Fort Riggs Holding Camp".  I know it's empty and must've been for something cut.  Strange the icon still popped though.  Getting closer to it... the icon disappeared from the mini-map.

 

Did you recently have a conversation with the drunk sad guy around the camp fire (think it was somewhere near the New Hanover/Lemoyne border, down from Emerald Farm)?

The one who talks a lot about sinning, and locking up Native Americans, bums a bottle of whiskey off you and then passes out?

 

For me, the "Fort Riggs Holding Camp" icon appeared immediately after I'd had that encounter, and disappeared once I visited the site.....I had assumed it was just a way of tying in the location with his story. A bit weird that it's the only time this happens in the game, but then there aren't a whole lot of people who want to chat to you around a campfire, as opposed to starting a gunfight!

 

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Fluffy Sock
11 minutes ago, Tonesta said:

Did you recently have a conversation with the drunk sad guy around the camp fire (think it was somewhere near the New Hanover/Lemoyne border, down from Emerald Farm)?

The one who talks a lot about sinning, and locking up Native Americans, bums a bottle of whiskey off you and then passes out?

 

For me, the "Fort Riggs Holding Camp" icon appeared immediately after I'd had that encounter, and disappeared once I visited the site.....I had assumed it was just a way of tying in the location with his story. A bit weird that it's the only time this happens in the game, but then there aren't a whole lot of people who want to chat to you around a campfire, as opposed to starting a gunfight!

 

My experience:

 

-First I went to Fort Riggs on my own. Got that alphabet letter from there, I think it was.

-Minutes after, I had the encounter with the Fort Riggs ex worker, by SW of Heartlands, not far from Fort Riggs itself. I was like "okay, this must be a triggered encounter".

-One day, playing the Epilogue already, I saw the Fort Riggs icon. Went there, nothing. That's it.

 

 

I don't debunk your theory, tho. Just sharing what happened to me. Maybe it didn't work for me because I was at the location beforehand. I don't know, this game has a lot of mystery. 

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a z
1 hour ago, Tonesta said:

Did you recently have a conversation with the drunk sad guy around the camp fire (think it was somewhere near the New Hanover/Lemoyne border, down from Emerald Farm)?

The one who talks a lot about sinning, and locking up Native Americans, bums a bottle of whiskey off you and then passes out?

 

For me, the "Fort Riggs Holding Camp" icon appeared immediately after I'd had that encounter, and disappeared once I visited the site.....I had assumed it was just a way of tying in the location with his story. A bit weird that it's the only time this happens in the game, but then there aren't a whole lot of people who want to chat to you around a campfire, as opposed to starting a gunfight!

 

Yeah, I had that camp encounter several days ago, so maybe that marker was there the whole time and I didn't see it until recently?  I did loot the guy to get the Indian Wedding Ring.

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Mastah
On 1/20/2019 at 2:56 PM, ivarblaauw said:

Wow dude. I have literally not been off this forums for more than a day.

 

Also I was only wrong about the scale, since ya know, the map is about 4x the original rdr when we include the walkable but unreachable regions. You know why a lot of us thought it was larger? Because we saw those regions in trailers. 

 

Btw I think you have me mixed up with someone else, since I only spoke about map scale and in terms of regions about Mexico and the valley, which I visited when going out of bounds.

 

So no. Nothing out of the ordinary there! Also I always substantiated my replies, either with quotes or mathematics. The 4x size was said by multiple gamemagazines. So it was logical we thought it was. Which fueled the speculations about increase in map scale and unseen regions.

 

Tldr: f*ck off for calling me a liar.

As soon as we got shots from Great Plains everyone could see the scale of the old map is exactly the same (as if it wasn't obvious and logical before that):

 

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But no, multiple posts from you, even 2 days before RDR2 launch, about how RDR map is now 200/400/over 9000% larger than in original. And that is fine, being overenthusiastic, craving impossible and all, must have been painful when reality hit hard.

 

What's not fine however is claiming that "beta stuff from those (San Fierro and Las Venturas) locations" appears in GTA V files. It's a lie, it's all made up and it's based solely on things you so badly wanted in the game, not on facts. And luring other people into thinking your wishes are actually truth is shameful and I call you out on that. Anyone can check in GTA V Beta Content thread that SF, LV or VC are only mentioned as a part of HD universe and absolutely no "beta stuff from those locations" exists, unlike casino, stunt arena or sharmoota heist, which we have actual evidence of:

 

https://gtaforums.com/search/?q=fierro&item=678397&type=forums_topic&sortby=newest&page=1

https://gtaforums.com/search/?q=venturas&item=678397&type=forums_topic&sortby=newest&page=1

 

Stop misleading people into thinking Rockstar actually worked on San Fierro and Las Venturas being added to GTA V map at any point. All we have is few references in-game, exactly the same as in GTA IV.

 

PS. Sorry for OT, but it had to be said.

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Cutter De Blanc
8 hours ago, tonko said:

I'm no expert in making games but Mexico is fully updated. That must mean something down the road.

 

 

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If you try and walk into the tall pointy rock on the left, you'll fall through the map

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ivarblaauw

I didn't say they worked on it at all? Yeah they originally wanted to do it bigger but for some reason (last gen console limitations most likely) they didn't. If you look into the mapping thread you can even find interviews stating this. 

 

I have never said it was in the code, but we can see some of those locations on cards and billboards. These show unused towns and other locations. 

 

Perhaps you don't call that cut content, but I do. I only piled up all the evidence we found (not just me but about a dozen others) and put it together in a neat document. 

 

Jesus christ. Read ffs.

 

About the scale increase, yes I was wrong, although we didn't know the map was changed so drastically in height and R* used a lot of specific camera angles. 

 

And I never said 9000% larger ;) I said 2x and that's it. And why did I say that? Because it looked that way. Not just me but loads of others thought it as well. 

In the end I was right about the map being (non scaled) about 3/4x the size of rdr1, but little did we know only 1/3rd is accessible. 

Also I always made claims with reservation, not just out if nowhere. 

 

Btw, speculation is a healthy thing. Especially when said speculation is substantiated with evidence. That you are one of the few who doesn't like it, tells us more about you than us. 

 

In the end we got a map of the same scale, although changed greatly in comparison with rdr1 and much better draw distance (the reason some of us, including me, got confused). The current map is surrounded by valleys, canyons, mountains, plains and deserts. These make the map much much larger than GTA V, which we did claim. Yeah it sparks the talk about possible map expansions. You don't like that? F*ck off then. The rest of us loves it and enjoys it. Don't bother us with your whiney sh*t, we enjoy exploring the regions outside the map boundaries, which to me also count towards the map size ;). 

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DuPz0r

This is kind of map related, since it happens only when in sisika pen, in the cellar/basement level of the central tower.

 

 

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Jhonib10
4 hours ago, DuPz0r said:

This is kind of map related, since it happens only when in sisika pen, in the cellar/basement level of the central tower.

 

 

omfg, with all these stuffs you guys are discovering I'm starting to think there is a whole new game hidden inside RDR2 😆

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MarlboroMan1995

So you guys think it’s a glitch or something that has to do simply with the lighting or something? Or could this actually be something?

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Cutter De Blanc

Looks like an extreme lighting error, I know Michael's face would do that in Jimmy's room in GTAV, although not to such a degree

 

I'm bugging on the fact that theres a basement at all

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DuPz0r

Something similar happened when i found that huge cuboid in the jungle of Guarma, and walked under it. I think it's probably just a lighting error. Where we arent meant to be down there so no lighting properties have been implimented there. But my god it does turn the character undead lol!

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DuPz0r

This guy called edepot says it's affected by your honor. If you go there with positive honor you dont look undead. If you go there with negative honor you do...

 

Havent tested that out myself but i did go into Sisika with negative honor.

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Cutter De Blanc

That invisible sniper gives you no quarter. Ended up reloading my game on the San Luis River at a campsite,  quickly went to sleep until night, and I got killed on the loading screen. Crap. Didn't even let me wake up first.

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