Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

[rogerer]

2 minutes ago, EVOLUT7ON said:

idk, maybe some hints

tunnel to Mexico

[Frivolous_Raven]

Seriously, this Mexico thing is getting pretty annoying, I'm out    

 

Thank you @DuPz0r for the great analysis of the Treasure map

[rogerer]

definetely, I hate Mexico:-)

[Nutduster]

12 minutes ago, Jimmarn said:

Bare minimum effort, not really, this new game has way more details, and it would require rework of all the meshes in the area, buildings needs to be remodeled, re-uv'd and re-textured. Most likely using scultped details as a normal map, so another step, and that goes for almost everything. Buildings, vegetation, rocks, cliffs etc. Some things can probably be recycled from other zones. But way more work than most people think.
 

 

I'm not saying it's not a lot of work.  I'm saying that it's the minimum amount of work necessary for the area to be there and look good from a distance, which is how we will presumably be seeing it.  They just didn't do all the additional work to make it playable, more than likely - which means filling it with NPCs, animals, missions, detailed flora, so on and so forth.  Which ultimately adds up to probably MORE work than the other part of it.

[michael99420]

9 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

The dark lines on that display map are 100% WE Big valley. I just matched it up to the new treasure map leak posted on Reddit. 

 

Look for yourselves:

I wanted to post the comparison but no leaks so, you'll have to do that yourself.

IT would be so great if this comparison found its way to my inbox

[DarkDayz]

3 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

I'm not saying it's not a lot of work.  I'm saying that it's the minimum amount of work necessary for the area to be there and look good from a distance, which is how we will presumably be seeing it.  They just didn't do all the additional work to make it playable, more than likely - which means filling it with NPCs, animals, missions, detailed flora, so on and so forth.  Which ultimately adds up to probably MORE work than the other part of it.

 

This is annoying me now. In some area's Mexico is a stone throw away from the edge of New Austin.

 

It needs animals, NPC's, at least for a certain visible distance anyway.

[Distrom]

4 minutes ago, darkdayz said:

 

"Somewhat detailed" isn't good enough though really, it's close enough in some areas (see below) that you could see people riding in Mexico. That area around Perdido is SO close.

 

 

This island is still there on the new map.

 

Somewhat detailed as in less detalied than the rest of the map idk.

I don't expect to overlook Mexico from across the border and see NPCs doing their stuff for example.

 

I guess all the terrain landmarks will be there.

 

[DarkDayz]

4 minutes ago, Distrom said:

Somewhat detailed as in less detalied than the rest of the map idk.

I don't expect to overlook Mexico from across the border and see NPCs doing their stuff for example.

 

I guess all the terrain landmarks will be there.

 

 

I can't see why they wouldn't do that from those really close proximity areas, and for area's of view further away, don't render anything. Does someone know if things can be rendered based on location, is that codeable?

 

It'd be great if there was a mission where you're shooting at the Mexican's and vice versa, seperated by the water. It'd effectively be like the Fort Mercer mission in the first game.

 

Edited October 23, 2018 by darkdayz

[darkinspiration]

2 minutes ago, darkdayz said:

 

This is annoying me now. In some area's Mexico is a stone throw away from the edge of New Austin.

 

It needs animals, NPC's, at least for a certain visible distance anyway.

And hopefully we can snipe those NPCs from NA. Mexican cops cant do sh*t then

[Devilsfan]

Map from the case has been posted on reddit 

[jdogg17873]

2 minutes ago, Frivolous_Raven said:

Seriously, this Mexico thing is getting pretty annoying, I'm out    

 

Thank you @DuPz0r for the great analysis of the Treasure map

I'm an optimistic person - glass half full kind of guy - I voted for Trump because I thought America could be great again.  I was optimistic that New Austin would come back in this game when a lot of people on this forum were so negative about the possibility of that happening.  So many people wonder why having the first map back would be appealing - the same reason why the Nintendo classic systems and the PlayStation Classic sell like hot cakes - nostalgia.  These forums are here to spark conversations - and there have been a lot of theories over the past two years and to think that there are still questions about this game only a couple of days away from release is amazing.  So - for the sake of conversation and speculation - it is plausible that Mexico is back.  There is a big land mass with the words MEXICO written in big letters across it - there is no denying that - so the question becomes - would R* just build a big world on the other side of the border for eye candy only?  Would they include screenshots of a large desert area and include a Nuevo Pariaso outfit as a pre-order bonus if it would never be used in the game in its proper environment?  8 years in the making with unlimited resources and there are still doubts that Mexico wouldn't be included because that would be too much work for this game studio to take on?  

 

There are still lots of questions unanswered here about this game and we will all find the answers in a couple of days - but until then, I will dream about what I would want from this game.

 

Adios Amigos!

[Jimmarn]

1 minute ago, jdogg17873 said:

I'm an optimistic person - glass half full kind of guy - I voted for Trump because I thought America could be great again.  I was optimistic that New Austin would come back in this game when a lot of people on this forum were so negative about the possibility of that happening.  So many people wonder why having the first map back would be appealing - the same reason why the Nintendo classic systems and the PlayStation Classic sell like hot cakes - nostalgia.  These forums are here to spark conversations - and there have been a lot of theories over the past two years and to think that there are still questions about this game only a couple of days away from release is amazing.  So - for the sake of conversation and speculation - it is plausible that Mexico is back.  There is a big land mass with the words MEXICO written in big letters across it - there is no denying that - so the question becomes - would R* just build a big world on the other side of the border for eye candy only?  Would they include screenshots of a large desert area and include a Nuevo Pariaso outfit as a pre-order bonus if it would never be used in the game in its proper environment?  8 years in the making with unlimited resources and there are still doubts that Mexico wouldn't be included because that would be too much work for this game studio to take on?  

 

There are still lots of questions unanswered here about this game and we will all find the answers in a couple of days - but until then, I will dream about what I would want from this game.

 

Adios Amigos!

Trump is the reason it's not in, he built the wall in the game man!

[jdogg17873]

Just now, Jimmarn said:

Trump is the reason it's not in, he built the wall in the game man!

You just might be right - but there will be thousands of NPC's trying to get across it either way

[Frivolous_Raven]

1 minute ago, jdogg17873 said:

I'm an optimistic person - glass half full kind of guy - I voted for Trump because I thought America could be great again.  I was optimistic that New Austin would come back in this game when a lot of people on this forum were so negative about the possibility of that happening.  So many people wonder why having the first map back would be appealing - the same reason why the Nintendo classic systems and the PlayStation Classic sell like hot cakes - nostalgia.  These forums are here to spark conversations - and there have been a lot of theories over the past two years and to think that there are still questions about this game only a couple of days away from release is amazing.  So - for the sake of conversation and speculation - it is plausible that Mexico is back.  There is a big land mass with the words MEXICO written in big letters across it - there is no denying that - so the question becomes - would R* just build a big world on the other side of the border for eye candy only?  Would they include screenshots of a large desert area and include a Nuevo Pariaso outfit as a pre-order bonus if it would never be used in the game in its proper environment?  8 years in the making with unlimited resources and there are still doubts that Mexico wouldn't be included because that would be too much work for this game studio to take on?  

 

There are still lots of questions unanswered here about this game and we will all find the answers in a couple of days - but until then, I will dream about what I would want from this game.

 

Adios Amigos!

I also want Mexico back. Hell, the first thing I'm going to do after free roam is available is go to New Austin. I'm going to be completely honest here, I couldn't care less about the new map, I love remastered sh*t, judge me.  

 

I will probably do glitches to get to Mexico or whatever, but man...we already got the whole map... besides, how would the manage to keep the whole NPC interaction in spanish??

[darkinspiration]

Funny how times have changed. Mexicans trying to get into the US now. and we all trying to get into Mexico

[jdogg17873]

Just now, darkinspiration said:

Funny how times have changed. Mexicans trying to get into the US now. and we all trying to get into Mexico

Hahahahahaha

5 minutes ago, Jimmarn said:

Trump is the reason it's not in, he built the wall in the game man!

Maybe Trump threatened R* that if they allow Mexico in the game - he would slap a tariff on all games sales in the US 

[colahead420]

5 hours ago, Svip said:

I guess it's not 100% definitely confirmed that Mexico is not in the game, but it's definitely a fool's errant hoping that it's going to be in the game.  We'll know come Friday.

 

My hope for Mexico returning would be an act that actually does the area justice.  But as it appears, it looks like Rockstar Games went with abandoning it... for now at least.

It's definitely not a good idea to still expect Mexico at this point but it's technically not 100% out.  You can make the case that it's just not on the map but that's really reaching.  I didn't mind Mexico... the plot was the weakest part but the land itself is really cool and the missions there were some of the best.  If anything I just wanted the option to go there since it was most likely in plain sight and the whole "how are they gonna prevent us from getting there realistically?" dilemma.

[The Jungz]

I wouldn't worry too much about Mexico. In my opinion it has a very high chance of appearing in a DLC eventually.

 

The whole general geography has already been remade I assume, as well as visible landmarks like Las Hermanas, Chuparosa, Escalera and Nosalida. These places will all be clearly visible from New Austin.

 

If someone's crazy enough to do that sh*t eventually, it's Rockstar. In the meantime, enjoy the map we got boys! It's looking freaking huge.

[michael99420]

19 minutes ago, darkdayz said:

 

This is annoying me now. In some area's Mexico is a stone throw away from the edge of New Austin.

 

It needs animals, NPC's, at least for a certain visible distance anyway.

Not to mention the binoculars that we will have. The river is mighty thin in some parts of the map by mexico.

[darkinspiration]

1 minute ago, michael99420 said:

Not to mention the binoculars that we will have. The river is mighty thin in some parts of the map by mexico.

I hope my horses balls are big enough to make the jump

[michael99420]

Just now, darkinspiration said:

I hope my horses balls are big enough to make the jump

Welp, at least its warm by mexico... so shrinkage wont be of concern.

[LeonVegaSuarez]

So regarding towns and cities....how many do we have in the game?

 

Armadillo

Blackwater

Tumbleweed (not sure if it's habitated)

Saint Denis

Valentine

Strawberry

Rhodes

Annesburg

 

any missing? help me out

[nubcaker]

So much pre-release concerns here. Remember there's still an entire game on the map we have. I don't understand the sentiment to already start worrying because an area that was never promised or hinted to be in this game isn't included. Maybe wait until you actually have the game and experience it's gameplay, diversity, interactivity and story before you judge whether or not adding Mexico is a good or necessary idea at all. I'm already surprised we have NA in-game and I genuinely wonder how they're gonna fit that inside the story. Let alone having to add Mexico on top of that. Just wait until you actually have the game in your hands. Perhaps your worries will be completely soothed.

[darkinspiration]

1 minute ago, LeonVegaSuarez said:

So regarding towns and cities....how many do we have in the game?

 

Armadillo

Blackwater

Tumbleweed (not sure if it's habitated)

Saint Denis

Valentine

Strawberry

Rhodes

Annesburg

 

any missing? help me out

thieves landing ?

[nubcaker]

2 minutes ago, LeonVegaSuarez said:

So regarding towns and cities....how many do we have in the game?

 

Armadillo

Blackwater

Tumbleweed (not sure if it's habitated)

Saint Denis

Valentine

Strawberry

Rhodes

Annesburg

 

any missing? help me out

Thieves Landing, McFarlane's ranch.

[Nutduster]

26 minutes ago, darkdayz said:

 

This is annoying me now. In some area's Mexico is a stone throw away from the edge of New Austin.

 

It needs animals, NPC's, at least for a certain visible distance anyway.

 

Yes, let's split the f*ck out of those hairs! So much is being gained by this pointless nitpicking!

 

They may or may not put some random NPCs and animals in Mexico.  What they're not going to do is populate a huge, unplayable area with NPCs that have DIALOGUE, that you can INTERACT with. There also won't be HUNDREDS of them.  There won't be HUNDREDS of animals either.  And there won't be LEGENDARY animals.

 

Is that clear enough?  Maybe I should also specify which particular breeds there will and won't be, and draw up a map just so everyone understands exactly where specific animals will be and won't be.  Let's really dig into this, it's important stuff.

[jdogg17873]

3 minutes ago, LeonVegaSuarez said:

So regarding towns and cities....how many do we have in the game?

 

Armadillo

Blackwater

Tumbleweed (not sure if it's habitated)

Saint Denis

Valentine

Strawberry

Rhodes

Annesburg

 

any missing? help me out

Van Horn

[LeonVegaSuarez]

Van Horn and Thieves Landing for sure. Wouldn't count MacFarlane's Ranch as a town

[lndex]

Rathskeller Fork? not really a town though, but i'm so interested to see how these places look!

[ivarblaauw]

At this point I don't expect Mexico in singleplayer anymore, biggest reason being that it serves no story purpose. 

However, I do see them adding Mexico for Multiplayer. I do see them adding more valleys in the multiplayer over the next couple of years, perhaps along with some singleplayer stories. But for singleplayer… no, we won't see Mexico for a while. Perhaps with a RDR1 remaster, which, when you buy it, could give you some ingame gear for multiplayer, and non buyers would only be able to join missions there instead of start them...