Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

[BretMaverick777]

6 hours ago, ivarblaauw said:

Aight! Thanks

 

It literally means that 

A. The map is huge, if we talk about the same zoom as GTA, it will be about 2x the size of GTA (if not more!). Absolutely huge O.o

B. It is somewhat of a square map or 18x14 something like that. Since they probably played on a 16x9 screen. 

C. Did I say the map is absolutely huge xD

By that description, the previewer was scrolling down to all that big "empty" brown space below Lemoyne and east of Nuevo Paraiso.

 

So who is still questioning whether or not Mexico -- let alone New Austin -- is in the game?  And more importantly:  why?

Hell, at this rate, they might have added Dutch's trip to Colombia, too. 

[Xextil]

New german article about the size of the map and the comparisons with GTA V: https://www.gamepro.de/artikel/red-dead-redemption-warum-die-groesse-der-map-nicht-entscheidend-ist,3335638.html

 

Between facts and opinions he said "By now it's clear: Red Dead Redemption 2 actually has the largest rockstar game world ever, which was confirmed to me on my secound launch with Rockstar" (google translated xD)

 

And the most interesting thing is in the last part when he talk about the presence of the RDR1's map:

 

Spoiler

I have seen the map of RDR2 and indeed in the southwest of the map when zooming out still very much space - the map of Red Dead Redemption 1 would fit perfectly there.

This is of course still pure speculation and no confirmation that the map of RDR1 is included, in my opinion, but much indicates.

 

[paddymcg]

8 minutes ago, AndyGanteks said:

Right, so we know Rockstar named a few things in RDR universe, mostly horses or outfits by in-game animals, locations and so on. We know there's also a Nuevo Paraiso Gunslinger outfit coming in RDR 2 as a pre-order bonus(which some have taken as a hint towards Mexico returning), and there's the Copperhead(landing) Enforcer Outfit(a location in RDR 2 map near the prison)

 

Now look at the rest of the RDR 2 Ultimate edition of the game text:

 

 

 

"High Plains". Sounds like a location no?

 

 

Could it be?

 

 

High Plains, Tall Trees, Great Plains. High Plains would be a new part of New Austin in this case.

 

Sounds plausible with a name like HIGH plains because we know that area is raised a lot higher than the rest of New Austin.

 

I just don't know if it makes sense to have a plains region north of a snow covered region like Tall Trees?

[BretMaverick777]

1 minute ago, paddymcg said:

Sounds plausible with a name like HIGH plains because we know that area is raised a lot higher than the rest of New Austin.

 

I just don't know if it makes sense to have a plains region north of a snow covered region like Tall Trees?

The latest shots from Ambarino show plains and non-snowy forests and mountains north of the snow-covered Grizzlies.  

Yes, there's plenty of green lands north of the snowline, anywhere you want to look.   Don't think in terms of latitude, think in terms of altitude.  Even when there's plenty of snow at higher elevations, you can have perfectly green pastures and forests all around, even to the north of that snowline.  Even Greenland isn't exactly lying about their name.

[Gangsta Braze]

24 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

By that description, the previewer was scrolling down to all that big "empty" brown space below Lemoyne and east of Nuevo Paraiso.

 

So who is still questioning whether or not Mexico -- let alone New Austin -- is in the game?  And more importantly:  why?

Hell, at this rate, they might have added Dutch's trip to Colombia, too. 

Which could be that island region 

[AzBat360]

41 minutes ago, Mild Phil Hickok said:

Marshal Johnson refers to New Austin as a state in Justice in Pike's Basin. Personally, I think New Austin is more like a territory than a state but people refer to it as state because its status seems very confused. 

Before statehood much all of Oklahoma was called Indian Territory. Then in 1890 the western half became known as Oklahoma Territory. Wasn't until 1907 that both Oklahoma Territory & Indian Territory became a state. I was really hoping we would see a pre-state territorial area(No Man's Land) where lawlessness reigns supreme. Kind of like the Dark Zone in The Division. It's possible it might still be there in online mode, but I haven't kept up with the leaks because I'm trying to stay away from spoilers.

[AndyGanteks]

Hm, maybe the High Plains are a bit more to the north and just west of Big Valley then? That may not give the RDR 2 screenshot a potential to look towards Mexico, as from that direction it would instead look towards New Hanover. I doubt it.

Maybe Tall Trees could get a little bit expanded southwest of it to give a proper transition from snow to green forests to plains further to the west and there would the High Plains be.

 

Also to note, if it's a remastered map with seasons switching really a thing, they may as well make the snow melt in Tall Trees, at least in lower parts of the mountains.

Edited October 12, 2018 by AndyGanteks

[BretMaverick777]

6 minutes ago, Gangsta Braze said:

Which could be that island region 

Yep.

I don't think Guarma was ever meant to be a North Yankton style one-off....I believe we were meant to reach it.   Open world.

[Mild Phil Hickok]

3 minutes ago, AzBat360 said:

I was really hoping we would see a pre-state territorial area(No Man's Land) where lawlessness reigns supreme

You might still get get that lawlessness in New Austin. It strikes me as pretty lawless when a gang can ride into town and  gun down a sheriff's deputy on the porch of his own office.

 

[Karaaib]

Natives Indian Will be in the game, maybe R* had an indian territory, West To The Grizzlies.

[AzBat360]

Just now, Mild Phil Hickok said:

You might still get get that lawlessness in New Austin. It strikes me as pretty lawless when a gang can ride into town and  gun down a sheriff's deputy on the porch of his own office.

 

True, true. Will be interesting to see if there is any kind of game mechanic that works differently in those areas than what we've seen already(Wanted, etc).

[Smudjed]

2 hours ago, GTADKNUT said:

For sure, but I doubt it will be bigger than GTAVs' map - It will seem bigger because of no cars and such, but not in actual size.

However I believe it will be much more "alive"/Detailed and won't feel empty.

I could be totally wrong - but I expect RDR2 map to be substantially bigger than GTAV... My reasoning for this - simply because when GTAV came out, it was built to push the boundaries of the PS3... This is the first game that R* will be making that will push the boundaries of the PS4 - which I expect will be their biggest & deepest map yet (their words, not mine). 

Having said that - I'm sure R* would never make something the 'biggest' just for that sake, unless they could make it an immense world for us to live in!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

[Chinese Takeout]

2 hours ago, Orfan Loom said:

So I just went and read that Hennigan's Stead was supposed to resemble Oklahoma in RDR1. And if this is true, than Hennigan's Stead is not going to be a state in RDR2.

This is correct. Hennigan's Stead is 1 of 4 REGIONS within the state of New Austin in RDR1. Those 4 regions are: Hennigan's Stead, Cholla Springs, Rio Bravo, and Gaptooth Ridge.

We know that there are at least 5 United States states/territories in RDR2 (and probably only 5 states) - Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, LeMoyne, and New Austin. They aren't specifically mentioned as states, but some - if not all - are surely states.

 

2 hours ago, Svip said:

And if New Austin is not a state in RDR1, then it surely isn't in RDR2.

It's possible that New Austin wasn't a state in 1911, but I think the evidence is slim. In 1911 (IRL) the only states left to be added to the contiguous 48 were New Mexico and Arizona - and they were added in the beginning of 1912. So, it's possible, but as I have been replaying RDR1 over the last couple weeks, I've been paying very close attention to the dialogue, and while nothing specific is said, there is enough roundabout discussion to indicate that New Austin is a full-blown state in 1911/RDR1 (in my opinion).

 

But, as far as RDR2 goes...in 1899? Yeah...New Austin *could* still be a state (within the fictional lore of RDR2)...but, it would be much more reasonable to portray New Austin as a Territory in 1899 than in 1911.

[GTADKNUT]

17 minutes ago, Smudjed said:

I could be totally wrong - but I expect RDR2 map to be substantially bigger than GTAV... My reasoning for this - simply because when GTAV came out, it was built to push the boundaries of the PS3... This is the first game that R* will be making that will push the boundaries of the PS4 - which I expect will be their biggest & deepest map yet (their words, not mine). 

Having said that - I'm sure R* would never make something the 'biggest' just for that sake, unless they could make it an immense world for us to live in!

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I agree it will be the deepest, I just don't think they can justify it being bigger than GTAV with horses as the main transport - World would have to be stacked with stuff to do.

Also, the leaked map, even with the old map attached is still smaller than GTAV, so it would have to be substancially upscaled or have a lot more we have not seen. It is just some of the people I talked to, and the stuff I read, makes me think that when they say biggest, they mean something else than actual sqm.

 

Don't get me wrong tho, I would love to see a map bigger than GTAV.

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by GTADKNUT

[bakerach]

4 minutes ago, GTADKNUT said:

I agree it will be the deepest, I just don't think they can justify it being bigger than GTAV with horses as the main transport - World would have to be stacked with stuff to do.

 

 

It is stacked with stuff to do, that's the whole point.

[horns]

 

 

Discussed like 10 pages back.  Just noticed this during the trailer.  Same location?

[GTADKNUT]

3 minutes ago, bakerach said:

It is stacked with stuff to do, that's the whole point.

Why is it, it seems to annoy people that some posters do not think it will be bigger than GTAV SQM wise? It would be massive if it were, especially with only horses. Even RDRs' map felt bigger than it was.

I am not even saying it WONT' be bigger, but that if it is, the map/s we have seen, would have to be upscaled a whole lot, or have a helluva lot added to them - which is a good thing, as it means more suprises. 

 

 

[Smudjed]

6 minutes ago, GTADKNUT said:

I agree it will be the deepest, I just don't think they can justify it being bigger than GTAV with horses as the main transport - World would have to be stacked with stuff to do.

Also, the leaked map, even with the old map attached is still smaller than GTAV, so it would have to be substancially upscaled or have a lot more we have not seen. It is just some of the people I talked to, and the stuff I read, makes me think that when they say biggest, they mean something else than actual sqm.

 

Don't get me wrong tho, I would love to see a map bigger than GTAV.

 

Absolutely - and it could just be me wishing naively for it... I guess until the information is officially released before the game comes out - or when it does - we won't know either way!

 

But, imagine, keeping with R*'s intention of making it a 'real' world... I'd be blown away if we were given a position that it would take us a fair few hours to cross from one place to the next - and with that, R* has given us so many side activities (i.e. hunting for survival etc) to keep us occupied as we do it... so it doesn't seem like such a dull trek!

 

[Chinese Takeout]

6 minutes ago, horns said:

Discussed like 10 pages back.  Just noticed this during the trailer.  Same location?

Yep. This is their location:

 

Arthur's looking down on Valentine.

Edited October 12, 2018 by Chinese Takeout

[GTADKNUT]

1 minute ago, Smudjed said:

Absolutely - and it could just be me wishing naively for it... I guess until the information is officially released before the game comes out - or when it does - we won't know either way!

 

But, imagine, keeping with R*'s intention of making it a 'real' world... I'd be blown away if we were given a position that it would take us a fair few hours to cross from one place to the next - and with that, R* has given us so many side activities (i.e. hunting for survival etc) to keep us occupied as we do it... so it doesn't seem like such a dull trek!

 

I get you, just as me being cautious, could be a defense against being dissapointed  

[Chinese Takeout]

3 minutes ago, GTADKNUT said:

Why is it, it seems to annoy people that some posters do not think it will be bigger than GTAV SQM wise? It would be massive if it were, especially with only horses. Even RDRs' map felt bigger than it was.

I am not even saying it WONT' be bigger, but that if it is, the map/s we have seen, would have to be upscaled a whole lot, or have a helluva lot added to them - which is a good thing, as it means more suprises. 

 

 

What annoys me (in this thread) is any discussion about whether the map will be "BIGGER THAN" or "NOT BIGGER THAN" any other map, whether it be RDR1 or GTA5 or Everquest or Skyrim...for me, this thread is about VISUALIZING and "PRE-CONSTRUCTING" the map as it is. There's no comparison...it's just...The Map.

 

Now, I only posted this because you posed the question "why is it..." I normally do not post about things that annoy me, and who am I anyway? Who gives a sh*t what annoys me? No one. And I'm fine with that. Thanks for letting me share.

20 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

This is correct. Hennigan's Stead is 1 of 4 REGIONS within the state of New Austin in RDR1. Those 4 regions are: Hennigan's Stead, Cholla Springs, Rio Bravo, and Gaptooth Ridge.

 

[GTADKNUT]

2 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

What annoys me (in this thread) is any discussion about whether the map will be "BIGGER THAN" or "NOT BIGGER THAN" any other map, whether it be RDR1 or GTA5 or Everquest or Skyrim...for me, this thread is about VISUALIZING and "PRE-CONSTRUCTING" the map as it is. There's no comparison...it's just...The Map.

 

Now, I only posted this because you posed the question "why is it..." I normally do not post about things that annoy me, and who am I anyway? Who gives a sh*t what annoys me? No one. And I'm fine with that. Thanks for letting me share.

Hey man, it is a free world, and I get it, I had no intention of drifting from the actual topic - It all began with me saying that there is a large part of the map we are not seeing, or that it needs to be upscaled, something I at least thought was on topic. but I wouldn't be hurt or annoyed if a mod deleted it, not at all. What annoys me are snippy comments - And no, that does not incl. yours

Edited October 12, 2018 by GTADKNUT

[BretMaverick777]

17 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

This is correct. Hennigan's Stead is 1 of 4 REGIONS within the state of New Austin in RDR1. Those 4 regions are: Hennigan's Stead, Cholla Springs, Rio Bravo, and Gaptooth Ridge.

We know that there are at least 5 United States states/territories in RDR2 (and probably only 5 states) - Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, LeMoyne, and New Austin. They aren't specifically mentioned as states, but some - if not all - are surely states.

 

It's possible that New Austin wasn't a state in 1911, but I think the evidence is slim. In 1911 (IRL) the only states left to be added to the contiguous 48 were New Mexico and Arizona - and they were added in the beginning of 1912. So, it's possible, but as I have been replaying RDR1 over the last couple weeks, I've been paying very close attention to the dialogue, and while nothing specific is said, there is enough roundabout discussion to indicate that New Austin is a full-blown state in 1911/RDR1 (in my opinion).

 

But, as far as RDR2 goes...in 1899? Yeah...New Austin *could* still be a state (within the fictional lore of RDR2)...but, it would be much more reasonable to portray New Austin as a Territory in 1899 than in 1911.

And there's nothing in the "Five States" discussion that requires there to be 5 states at the beginning of the game; just by the

end.  A fairly common plot device in Westerns involves territories pushing for statehood...we could see that happening in RDR2 with New Austin.  And/or West Elizabeth and Ambarino, for that matter.  Pretty safe guess that Lemoyne and New Hanover are already "veteran" states, but the other three seem to be in that borderland between wilderness and civilization, which is certainly a thematic element here.

[GTADKNUT]

New link up guys:

 

Weaponry

 

https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/features/weaponry

 

https://www.rockstargames.com/reddeadredemption2/dist/img/global/features/weaponry/videos/518cdeeb54c182180ebc5e1f1ae04e7d.mp4

 

A few new stills and gifs.

Edited October 12, 2018 by GTADKNUT

[GTADKNUT]

 

A few new parts of minimap

 

 

Edited October 12, 2018 by GTADKNUT

[Boone_Tuva]

One thing to chew on regarding additional states - couldn't it be possible that they only mention the states that have a train network in the metal earth train copy, but that others do exist. I think the train is a pretty recent addition to New Austin, maybe the state north of it has no trains yet so no reason to call it out.

[Chinese Takeout]

1 hour ago, GTADKNUT said:

Hey man, it is a free world, and I get it, I had no intention of drifting from the actual topic - It all began with me saying that there is a large part of the map we are not seeing, or that it needs to be upscaled, something I at least thought was on topic. but I wouldn't be hurt or annoyed if a mod deleted it, not at all. What annoys me are snippy comments - And no, that does not incl. yours

Yeah, and I want to be clear that I wasn't bagging on you...you were just the last one to comment on the size-comparison-thing, so that's why I quoted you. If I were to engage in the comparison argument, I would take your side.

[Rykane]

1 hour ago, Chinese Takeout said:

This is correct. Hennigan's Stead is 1 of 4 REGIONS within the state of New Austin in RDR1. Those 4 regions are: Hennigan's Stead, Cholla Springs, Rio Bravo, and Gaptooth Ridge.

We know that there are at least 5 United States states/territories in RDR2 (and probably only 5 states) - Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, LeMoyne, and New Austin. They aren't specifically mentioned as states, but some - if not all - are surely states.

 

It's possible that New Austin wasn't a state in 1911, but I think the evidence is slim. In 1911 (IRL) the only states left to be added to the contiguous 48 were New Mexico and Arizona - and they were added in the beginning of 1912. So, it's possible, but as I have been replaying RDR1 over the last couple weeks, I've been paying very close attention to the dialogue, and while nothing specific is said, there is enough roundabout discussion to indicate that New Austin is a full-blown state in 1911/RDR1 (in my opinion).

 

But, as far as RDR2 goes...in 1899? Yeah...New Austin *could* still be a state (within the fictional lore of RDR2)...but, it would be much more reasonable to portray New Austin as a Territory in 1899 than in 1911.

Okay hear me out here. You mentioned the 4 regions of New Austin are Hennigan's Stead, Cholla Springs, Rio Bravo and Gaptooth Ride. These are considered 'Regions' within New Austin, New Austin being the 'state' correct? The areas within the RDR2 map are Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, LeMoyne and New Austin and are regarded by most here as 'States'. If we are going by the way RDR 1 categorizes the regions/states then wouldn't the areas within RDR2 be Regions and not states, therefor meaning we've yet to see 3 more states since New austin is considered a state and the RDR2 map is a state? Unless they've changed naming convention or the way how regions/states work which I doubt then that doesn't make sense for them to be named as states.

[Chinese Takeout]

2 minutes ago, Rykane said:

Okay hear me out here. You mentioned the 4 regions of New Austin are Hennigan's Stead, Cholla Springs, Rio Bravo and Gaptooth Ride. These are considered 'Regions' within New Austin, New Austin being the 'state' correct? The areas within the RDR2 map are Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, LeMoyne and New Austin and are regarded by most here as 'States'. If we are going by the way RDR 1 categorizes the regions/states then wouldn't the areas within RDR2 be Regions and not states, therefor meaning we've yet to see 3 more states since New austin is considered a state and the RDR2 map is a state? Unless they've changed naming convention or the way how regions/states work which I doubt then that doesn't make sense for them to be named as states.

STATES (or Territories, if they're not states yet):

(boundaries of states are my own guess...the exact, specific boundaries have not yet been revealed)

 

REGIONS:

[Orfan Loom]

Actually yes!

This description didn't use the word 'state' at all.

Metal Earth Train 3D Puzzle

Rockstar Games and Fascinations have collaborated to produce a Metal Earth 3D Puzzle for you to build, inspired by Red Dead Redemption 2. The Train, as featured in the game, runs passengers and freight on the entire network of railways throughout Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, Lemoyne and New Austin.

 

I dunno...