Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

[Drummer98]

8 minutes ago, ivarblaauw said:

done bro

 

At least. My guess is that it will be twice the size, but including locations we might not be able to venture to and water.

 

 

at least, which is probably without the original rdr map included. My guess is well 2x the size of GTA V as I said here above

Yeah but on Instagram he said that there will be a huge surprise so maybe the older map is still in the game.

[ivarblaauw]

1 minute ago, Drummer98 said:

Yeah but on Instagram he said that there will be a huge surprise so maybe the older map is still in the game.

oh I am about 99% sure the old map is in the game. I just wonder how it will be changed, since in the original RDR there were quite a lot of story and map parts scrapped. 

Edited October 9, 2018 by ivarblaauw

[Nutduster]

9 minutes ago, GTADKNUT said:

Thw only thing he semed unsure of was the part about thieves landing.

 

The part about the map, he seemed very sure of.

 

He asked, and the Rockstar representatives exact words were (according to him) Blackwater and large portions of the old map are in. To me, and him, that indicated not all of the old map.

 

Thanks for clarifying.  That is fascinating.  My #1 guess would be that most/all of New Austin is back but Mexico is not.  We have thin evidence at best of its return. 

[bakerach]

I think a lot of people are forgetting a very basic fact:  this is an open-world Western game.  That means there will be a large desert region.  What region that will be is still up for debate I guess, but it won't be a North Yankton scenario where we're only in the desert for one mission.

[Nutduster]

1 minute ago, bakerach said:

I think a lot of people are forgetting a very basic fact:  this is an open-world Western game.  That means there will be a large desert region.  What region that will be is still up for debate I guess, but it won't be a North Yankton scenario where we're only in the desert for one mission.

 

Definite agreement on that.  The phrase "sweeping deserts" wasn't used by them because we visit a desert for one mission.

[ScriGno]

23 minutes ago, Drummer98 said:

From about the minute 28:20 

 

“Q: Did you see the whole map?

A: I didn’t saw it entirely because it was covered with fog of war, but I saw the borders and I somehow realized what the main areas are. My esteem is that the entire map is at least 3 times bigger than the original RDR.”

That was a live on twitch and if you watch at 4:19 he had a cough when he looked on the screen for questions...why? Because someone on twitch wrote: "If the entire rdr1 map is in the game start coughing"

 

[Drummer98]

In that video he also said that the names of towns and locations are not shown until you visit those places. Probably that guy from Gamesreactor hasn’t been able to visit it yet.

[ivarblaauw]

1 minute ago, ScriGno said:

That was a live on twitch and if you watch at 4:19 he had a cough when he looked on the screen for questions...why? Because someone on twitch wrote: "If the entire rdr1 map is in the game start coughing"

 

can you verify this with a twitch look back or something? Would be amazingly funny if true xD

[GTADKNUT]

5 minutes ago, Drummer98 said:

In that video he also said that the names of towns and locations are not shown until you visit those places. Probably that guy from Gamesreactor hasn’t been able to visit it yet.

That guy, asked a person from Rockstar.

Large portions is still alot, maybe it looked like the whole map, but it is missing small sections.

Edited October 9, 2018 by GTADKNUT

[Nutduster]

1 minute ago, GTADKNUT said:

That guy, asked a person from Rockstar.

Large portions is still alot, maybe it looked like the whole map, but it is missing small sections.

 

Or it could also have been them wiggling out of giving too much info.  I don't know what to think, Rockstar is really playing coy with this. They clearly want an outburst of hype near the release date when certain things are finally revealed.

Edited October 9, 2018 by Nutduster

[ivarblaauw]

Just now, GTADKNUT said:

That guy, asked a person from Rockstar.

Large portions is still alot, maybe it looked like the whole map, but it is missing small sections.

yeah but someone from Insidegamer.nl asked the same question and they got told that indeed the entire map is in the game, albeit changed. *look back a couple of pages for the quote

[GTADKNUT]

Just now, ivarblaauw said:

yeah but someone from Insidegamer.nl asked the same question and they got told that indeed the entire map is in the game, albeit changed. *look back a couple of pages for the quote

I saw Maybe Rockstar are f*cking with us all

[ivarblaauw]

2 minutes ago, GTADKNUT said:

I saw Maybe Rockstar are f*cking with us all

I am 100% sure of that xD

[DuPz0r]

I thought 'Eagle Eye' was an AC feature... Thought you mixed it up with Dead Eye.

 

Proves how much in-game mechanics i've not been paying attenetion to. When i see a new video or image i dont see what the average person sees. I see sweeping deserts in the bg, and green matrix code flooding down the screen. Some of you here can see it too!

Edited October 9, 2018 by DuPz0r

[ScriGno]

30 minutes ago, ivarblaauw said:

can you verify this with a twitch look back or something? Would be amazingly funny if true xD

https://imgur.com/UlXNoKo

and after that everybody started laughing

https://imgur.com/a/Xbp6Nj6

[Chinese Takeout]

This whole "sweeping deserts" fiasco really just keeps cooking, haha! I keep seeing arguments FOR and AGAINST whether R* has "promised," "alluded to," "denied," "teased," or "hinted at" the inclusion of vast, sweeping deserts, along with different interpretations of what was said by them (and not 3rd party outlets). Some have said, "just because they said there are 'sweeping deserts' doesn't mean we can literally visit them."

 

I'm finally gonna just plop my take on it down on the table.

 

Here's the actual transcript from that part of GP1:

Quote

"There is a huge world to explore, set across a range of America's heartland and frontier: from harsh mountain trails and dense forests, to untamed swamplands and sweeping deserts...rugged livestock towns, to modernizing cities...and much more..."

 

Here's the kicker, for me...

 

Quote

"...All populated with a diverse cast of characters from turn-of-the-century life."

In the structure of that narration, Sweeping Deserts (along with all the other places listed) will be populated with a diverse cast of characters. So, whatever they've shown/not shown, seems like we'll be spending enough time out in the sweeping deserts to run into some diverse characters, perhaps even some that are mission-based.

 

That's pretty much all I need to know. I'm happy.

 

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE#/86;108

 

 

[ivarblaauw]

1 minute ago, ScriGno said:

https://imgur.com/UlXNoKo

and after that everybody started laughing

https://imgur.com/a/Xbp6Nj6

okay that is obvious confirmation xD

Very nice btw xD

 

3 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

I thought 'Eagle Eye' was an AC feature... Thought you mixed it up with Dead Eye.

 

Proves how much in-game mechanics i've not been paying attenetion to. When i see a new video or image i dont see what the average person sees. I see sweeping deserts and green matrix code flooding down the screen.

It actually is, although it is named Eagle Vision. *I gotta know this since I work for MyCreed

 

[BretMaverick777]

21 minutes ago, GTADKNUT said:

I saw Maybe Rockstar are f*cking with us all

Or, maybe not. 

Including the RDR1 map is a big deal.  Of course it is.   It's been hinted at, guessed at, wished for, and outright leaked.  R* themselves have teased pictures that support that. 

Insidegamer assumed that info was lifted from the embargo and released the info too early; R* told them to dial it back, but IG didn't retract it, just redacted it.  That means it's still accurate info.   Rockstar just wants their confirmation to receive the hype and fanfare it deserves, not pass it off to a gamer mag.   The only one who's trying to drag this out is you, by pretending like your misinterpretation of what your buddy is allegedly interpreting from an alleged Rockstar employee seems to indicate that maybe the RDR1 map isn't returning, at least not in full.   The info from IG went to print; the only "proof" we have of this gamereactor report is your word against everybody else's, including (probably) your buddy at gamereactor.   It's hearsay, it's clickbait, and it's not helpful.   If you want to be believed, provide sources.   Otherwise, you're just spreading gossip.  

[koeklin]

56 minutes ago, ivarblaauw said:

Definitely a bridge imo

Bonjour

I don't see water around the black line in the second gameplay trailer, but rocks and cliffs

A railway between two cliffs is on a...

 

 

[Nutduster]

6 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

This whole "sweeping deserts" fiasco really just keeps cooking, haha! I keep seeing arguments FOR and AGAINST whether R* has "promised," "alluded to," "denied," "teased," or "hinted at" the inclusion of vast, sweeping deserts, along with different interpretations of what was said by them (and not 3rd party outlets). Some have said, "just because they said there are 'sweeping deserts' doesn't mean we can literally visit them."

 

I'm finally gonna just plop my take on it down on the table.

 

Here's the actual transcript from that part of GP1:

 

Here's the kicker, for me...

 

In the structure of that narration, Sweeping Deserts (along with all the other places listed) will be populated with a diverse cast of characters. So, whatever they've shown/not shown, seems like we'll be spending enough time out in the sweeping deserts to run into some diverse characters, perhaps even some that are mission-based.

 

That's pretty much all I need to know. I'm happy.

 

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE#/86;108

 

 

 

Yes, we are certainly getting some desert areas. Whether it's in New Austin, Mexico, or some heretofore unknown areas (or more than one of those), I couldn't say.  Though I will say it would be an awful tease if they said that, then include a shot of Armadillo in one of their trailers.  That would be pretty sh*tty.  That's why I believe that at MINIMUM, most of New Austin will be unlocked in the game at some point, if not open from the start.

[BretMaverick777]

10 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

I thought 'Eagle Eye' was an AC feature... Thought you mixed it up with Dead Eye.

 

Proves how much in-game mechanics i've not been paying attenetion to. When i see a new video or image i dont see what the average person sees. I see sweeping deserts in the bg, and green matrix code flooding down the screen. Some of you here can see it too!

What's odd is in the Jeux Actu (French) preview, he keeps referring to the feature as "Lynx Eye." 

 

Since our first contact with Red Dead 2 last March at Rockstar North, we know how hunting is a major element of the gameplay. Despite the hours spent with the game, we still had access to new information, during the learning mission alongside Charles Smith in particular, whose advice given to Arthur Morgan act as a tutorial. We learn first how to track an animal, via the skill of the Lynx Eye, available when pressing L3 + R3 simultaneously. The vision of Arthur Morgan then goes into a kind of infra-red mode, which allows to better identify the passage and traces of animals around. Once the Lynx Eye mode is activated, Arthur can track an animal by holding the R1 button, revealing a gauge that is emptying quickly enough. Once it is unavailable, just reactivate Lynx eye mode to enjoy again. Arthur will then see a colorful trail that will point the way to finding the beast in question.

 

"Aigle" is French for "eagle," and "lynx" is French for "lynx," so it's not a mistranslation.   Have no idea where he got the name from....tmk, "lynx eye" hasn't appeared in any other publication.  

[Nutduster]

7 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Or, maybe not. 

Including the RDR1 map is a big deal.  Of course it is.   It's been hinted at, guessed at, wished for, and outright leaked.  R* themselves have teased pictures that support that. 

Insidegamer assumed that info was lifted from the embargo and released the info too early; R* told them to dial it back, but IG didn't retract it, just redacted it.  That means it's still accurate info.   Rockstar just wants their confirmation to receive the hype and fanfare it deserves, not pass it off to a gamer mag.   The only one who's trying to drag this out is you, by pretending like your misinterpretation of what your buddy is allegedly interpreting from an alleged Rockstar employee seems to indicate that maybe the RDR1 map isn't returning, at least not in full.   The info from IG went to print; the only "proof" we have of this gamereactor report is your word against everybody else's, including (probably) your buddy at gamereactor.   It's hearsay, it's clickbait, and it's not helpful.   If you want to be believed, provide sources.   Otherwise, you're just spreading gossip.  

 

Dude, no need for the hostility.  Maybe this guy's source is reliable and maybe not, but he seems open to more than one explanation - there's no need to jump down his throat.  Like all of us he's just trying to get a feel for what the map is going to be like.

[ivarblaauw]

1 minute ago, BretMaverick777 said:

What's odd is in the Jeux Actu (French) preview, he keeps referring to the feature as "Lynx Eye." 

 

Since our first contact with Red Dead 2 last March at Rockstar North, we know how hunting is a major element of the gameplay. Despite the hours spent with the game, we still had access to new information, during the learning mission alongside Charles Smith in particular, whose advice given to Arthur Morgan act as a tutorial. We learn first how to track an animal, via the skill of the Lynx Eye, available when pressing L3 + R3 simultaneously. The vision of Arthur Morgan then goes into a kind of infra-red mode, which allows to better identify the passage and traces of animals around. Once the Lynx Eye mode is activated, Arthur can track an animal by holding the R1 button, revealing a gauge that is emptying quickly enough. Once it is unavailable, just reactivate Lynx eye mode to enjoy again. Arthur will then see a colorful trail that will point the way to finding the beast in question.

 

"Aigle" is French for "eagle," and "lynx" is French for "lynx," so it's not a mistranslation.   Have no idea where he got the name from....tmk, "lynx eye" hasn't appeared in any other publication.  

hmm weird. Well Lynx eye sounds quite cool, but it could be that he made that name up himself, or the French get a different language pack, which is quite often the case in games.

[rhysccfc31]

11 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Or, maybe not. 

Including the RDR1 map is a big deal.  Of course it is.   It's been hinted at, guessed at, wished for, and outright leaked.  R* themselves have teased pictures that support that. 

Insidegamer assumed that info was lifted from the embargo and released the info too early; R* told them to dial it back, but IG didn't retract it, just redacted it.  That means it's still accurate info.   Rockstar just wants their confirmation to receive the hype and fanfare it deserves, not pass it off to a gamer mag.   The only one who's trying to drag this out is you, by pretending like your misinterpretation of what your buddy is allegedly interpreting from an alleged Rockstar employee seems to indicate that maybe the RDR1 map isn't returning, at least not in full.   The info from IG went to print; the only "proof" we have of this gamereactor report is your word against everybody else's, including (probably) your buddy at gamereactor.   It's hearsay, it's clickbait, and it's not helpful.   If you want to be believed, provide sources.   Otherwise, you're just spreading gossip.  

 

You need to chill out mate

[2019Redifiv/2020Modifiv]

16 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

This whole "sweeping deserts" fiasco really just keeps cooking, haha! I keep seeing arguments FOR and AGAINST whether R* has "promised," "alluded to," "denied," "teased," or "hinted at" the inclusion of vast, sweeping deserts, along with different interpretations of what was said by them (and not 3rd party outlets). Some have said, "just because they said there are 'sweeping deserts' doesn't mean we can literally visit them."

 

I'm finally gonna just plop my take on it down on the table.

 

Here's the actual transcript from that part of GP1:

 

Here's the kicker, for me...

 

In the structure of that narration, Sweeping Deserts (along with all the other places listed) will be populated with a diverse cast of characters. So, whatever they've shown/not shown, seems like we'll be spending enough time out in the sweeping deserts to run into some diverse characters, perhaps even some that are mission-based.

 

That's pretty much all I need to know. I'm happy.

 

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE#/86;108

 

 

That is a GREAT interpretation.

 

 

[BretMaverick777]

4 minutes ago, koeklin said:

Bonjour

I don't see water around the black line in the second gameplay trailer, but rocks and cliffs

A railway between two cliffs is on a...

 

 

Yeah, the angle from wayyy atop Mt. Hagen threw me off, too....from there, it appears flat to the ground.   And even the new photo of the bridge shows that it's not particularly high above the river, so it's easy to get the angle and perspective wrong from there.  

 

But getting back to the original source of the Great Causeway Controversy of 2018, it doesn't answer the question about where these shots are located:

 

If you accept Dupzor's assertion that the following shows Horseshoe Overlook, and I have no reason to doubt it:

...then it follows that the train robbery is occurring literally right outside the gang's camp. N'est-ce pas? 

[Len Lfc]

20 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

This whole "sweeping deserts" fiasco really just keeps cooking, haha! I keep seeing arguments FOR and AGAINST whether R* has "promised," "alluded to," "denied," "teased," or "hinted at" the inclusion of vast, sweeping deserts, along with different interpretations of what was said by them (and not 3rd party outlets). Some have said, "just because they said there are 'sweeping deserts' doesn't mean we can literally visit them."

 

I'm finally gonna just plop my take on it down on the table.

 

Here's the actual transcript from that part of GP1:

 

Here's the kicker, for me...

 

In the structure of that narration, Sweeping Deserts (along with all the other places listed) will be populated with a diverse cast of characters. So, whatever they've shown/not shown, seems like we'll be spending enough time out in the sweeping deserts to run into some diverse characters, perhaps even some that are mission-based.

 

That's pretty much all I need to know. I'm happy.

 

http://www.infinitelooper.com/?v=Dw_oH5oiUSE#/86;108

 

 

Not even what you highlighted. But this alone should seal it:

 

"There is a huge world to explore, set across a range of America's heartland and frontier: from harsh mountain trails and dense forests, to untamed swamplands and sweeping deserts...rugged livestock towns, to modernizing cities...and much more..."

 

The line suggests it's an open world game, no sh*t, right? We know this. She then goes on to describe this world we can explore. We can explore a world from mountains to deserts. It isn't any clearer than that. We're confusing ourselves, and getting worried because the answers we have aren't clear and definitive. Personally, I don't think theres any more we can do now, but wait. We're so close to release. Our answers are guaranteed to come from leaks next week.

Edited October 9, 2018 by Len Lfc

[BretMaverick777]

4 minutes ago, rhysccfc31 said:

 

You need to chill out mate

Mate, I was issued a warning point awhile back on this same issue for just stating an OPINION about it.   So yeah, I don't appreciate a double standard for someone posting actual HEARSAY, which I understood to be verboten.   I'd MUCH rather hear someone's OPINION, including his, about what they think about the RDR1 map's inclusion or not, than hear someone post the usual "I heard it from a friend of a friend who" to pretend like that lends weight to the drivel that follows.  

[Non Funkable Token]

We won't get NA and/nor NP, we'll get Elsewhere, a region where the Del Lobo(s) hacienda is.  

 

Spoiler

/s

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by Fluffy Sock

[GTADKNUT]

38 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Or, maybe not. 

Including the RDR1 map is a big deal.  Of course it is.   It's been hinted at, guessed at, wished for, and outright leaked.  R* themselves have teased pictures that support that. 

Insidegamer assumed that info was lifted from the embargo and released the info too early; R* told them to dial it back, but IG didn't retract it, just redacted it.  That means it's still accurate info.   Rockstar just wants their confirmation to receive the hype and fanfare it deserves, not pass it off to a gamer mag.   The only one who's trying to drag this out is you, by pretending like your misinterpretation of what your buddy is allegedly interpreting from an alleged Rockstar employee seems to indicate that maybe the RDR1 map isn't returning, at least not in full.   The info from IG went to print; the only "proof" we have of this gamereactor report is your word against everybody else's, including (probably) your buddy at gamereactor.   It's hearsay, it's clickbait, and it's not helpful.   If you want to be believed, provide sources.   Otherwise, you're just spreading gossip.  

What the hell is your problem?

 

Whats wrong with the map not returning in full? The map will still be there at large.. Are you having a bad day?

 

I wrote before I gladly provide the source and then you can just google his name.

 

I am not trying to spread gossip, but thought it would be interesting to share what I was told from what I believe is a credible source.

 

Btw, I am not trying to drag anything out.

 

 

Edited October 9, 2018 by GTADKNUT