Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

[LegacyKillaHD]

1 minute ago, Nutduster said:

 

Agreed. Although if we find that they do match something on the old map, the reliability of this image as a source of info about RDR2 is severely called into question.  In my mind, it's actually called into question no matter what.  I think the most likely scenario is that the rolled map image is phony and was mocked up using map-like assets they had on hand, overlaid haphazardly on each other.  Because it doesn't make a lot of visual sense to put non-matching topography on top of a rotated map IMO.  The more I think about it, the more I'm convinced that this is not the map we will actually receive.

That would be false advertising and they did the same with GTA V 

[Nutduster]

Just now, LegacyKillaHD said:

That would be lazy and I doubt they would do that.

 

Not necessarily lazy. They could be intentionally trying to hide any useful information which we could get from a real map (just like people figured out the GTA V map before release).  But in the end we don't really know.  I think the main takeaway unless we come up with a much better theory is "take this with a huge grain of salt, and don't use it as proof or confirmation of anything."

 

Just now, LegacyKillaHD said:

That would be false advertising and they did the same with GTA V 

 

False advertising of what? We know part (at least) of the old map is in.  Using a chunk of that map to make a phony map only tells us we will be getting a physical map with this edition and if you have sharp eyes, that it will include at least some part of the old RDR map, which is correct.

Edited October 7, 2018 by Nutduster

[DuPz0r]

Well what seems clear is the grid doesnt match up, the lighter topography doesnt seem to match with darker topography, they have mashed them all together.

 

This is definitely to do with the accidental early reveal of the GTAV blacklight map pre-release for sure.

 

Lets do what we do best and pick it apart! Find that dark line map!

Edited October 7, 2018 by DuPz0r

[SG-17]

5 minutes ago, Mach1bud said:

Was the map revealed at this point yet or not? I didn't follow GTAV's leadup.

[Mach1bud]

1 minute ago, SG-17 said:

Was the map revealed at this point yet or not? I didn't follow GTAV's leadup.

No, Rockstar doesn't "reveal" their maps. 

[SG-17]

7 minutes ago, LegacyKillaHD said:

That would be false advertising and they did the same with GTA V 

Thats not how that works. Telling you that a world map comes with the game but using a placeholder image isn't false advertising, especially when they say "contents may change".

 

[LegacyKillaHD]

Just now, SG-17 said:

Thats not how that works. Telling you that a world map comes with the game but using a placeholder image isn't false advertising, especially when they say "contents may change".

 

 

I didn't see the "contents may change" but I doubt they would put a phony image that lines up with RDR.

[Nutduster]

Just now, LegacyKillaHD said:

I didn't see the "contents may change" but I doubt they would put a phony image that lines up with RDR.

 

But clearly they did... I mean, "phony" is a strong word, we don't know for sure that it's phony.  But those black topography marks AND the map rotation are 100% not matched to the underlying (brown) map, which 100% is RDR.  So either there's some very weird explanation for those things not matching, or this is a bogus marketing image.

[Jason]

Rockstar using a fake image of the map would be more out of character for them than using the real map. They are very deliberate with stuff like this, they love seeing the community go to town deciphering it all. They follow threads like these very closely.

[LegacyKillaHD]

2 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

 

But clearly they did... I mean, "phony" is a strong word, we don't know for sure that it's phony.  But those black topography marks AND the map rotation are 100% not matched to the underlying (brown) map, which 100% is RDR.  So either there's some very weird explanation for those things not matching, or this is a bogus marketing image.

Ahhh I see your point. I personally don't see it as fake and I'm sure there's some sort of explanation with the black marks.

 

1 minute ago, Jason said:

Rockstar using a fake image of the map would be more out of character for them than using the real map. They are very deliberate with stuff like this, they love seeing the community go to town deciphering it all. They follow threads like these very closely.

THIS

[BretMaverick777]

#1.   It's a treasure map, that people have to pay extra to receive as a bonus, so R* have good reason to make sure they're not revealing pertinent information in the photo of the map.   i.e.:   it's likely a placeholder, or deliberately deceptive. 

#2.    People don't read maps at a 45 degree angle.  Period.   Even if you ask them to, for some bizarre reason.   If you can't angle it correctly, it's just pie in the sky.

#3.   If you want to decipher the map, lay it out flat.  Like mapmakers and mapreaders do.   Latitude 1 thru.....what, 28?  38?  Anyone make out the last number?   Longitude A thru O.   The section we're seeing is roughly 4 thru 7.   Begin.

[Nutduster]

23 minutes ago, Jason said:

Rockstar using a fake image of the map would be more out of character for them than using the real map. They are very deliberate with stuff like this, they love seeing the community go to town deciphering it all. They follow threads like these very closely.

 

You are basically right, and if it was just the different rotation I would agree.  Salinoc already had a good possible explanation for that.  The topography stuff gives me pause though.  That is very weird-looking and renders the map somewhat indecipherable.  Why would they do that?  Unless as someone suggested, it's some kind of transparent overlay (which would be new for Rockstar AFAIK) and isn't lined up right in this image?  It's confusing.

 

18 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

 

#2.    People don't read maps at a 45 degree angle.  Period.   Even if you ask them to, for some bizarre reason.   If you can't angle it correctly, it's just pie in the sky.

 

 

Rotation and orientation of the map could simply be different in this game than it was in RDR.  I don't think this is LIKELY, but it's possible and we can't rule it out yet. They don't have to maintain absolutely continuity with the old game if they have a good reason to want to change something (like, say, making the overtly southwestern area of the map more southward from an area like Tall Trees). And don't forget too that the RDR map was never perfectly oriented to true north, it already is off axis by about 10 degrees.  (Why? Your guess is as good as mine.)

Edited October 7, 2018 by Nutduster

[Neudd]

7 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

#1.   It's a treasure map, that people have to pay extra to receive as a bonus, so R* have good reason to make sure they're not revealing pertinent information in the photo of the map.   i.e.:   it's likely a placeholder, or deliberately deceptive.

This is the "exclusive world map" that comes with the physical special/ultimate editions, the treasure map is something different that's part of the collectors box.

 

 

[Nutduster]

Thought this might help people - the topography from the rolled map with everything else removed. (Ignore the longitude and latitude lines as well, of course, I didn't take the time to paint them out.)

 

Edited October 7, 2018 by Nutduster

[AndyGanteks]

Well done guys, i could never have the patience to test out that map from the special/ultimate editions.

But it's a match, no doubt about it.

Edited October 7, 2018 by AndyGanteks

[SneakyDeaky]

Does anyone have a high resolution close up of the treasure map?

[ScriGno]

22 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

Thought this might help people - the topography from the rolled map with everything else removed. (Ignore the longitude and latitude lines as well, of course, I didn't take the time to paint them out.)

 

Rotate it by 180° and it looks like this portion of the leaked map

https://imgur.com/a/S8RGhGs

[SG-17]

1 hour ago, Nutduster said:

 

But clearly they did... I mean, "phony" is a strong word, we don't know for sure that it's phony.  But those black topography marks AND the map rotation are 100% not matched to the underlying (brown) map, which 100% is RDR.  So either there's some very weird explanation for those things not matching, or this is a bogus marketing image.

Just look at the lines on the map. They are straight and normal on the inside section but slanted on the outside, the slant lines up perfectly with the greater square image. Its an error.

[Punkd]

but this still doesnt confirm mehico..?

i mean, with this new hint you guys found out its just showing us that new austin is 100% in rdr2, but we still dont know about nuevo paraiso yet..?

[SG-17]

4 minutes ago, Punkd said:

but this still doesnt confirm mehico..?

i mean, with this new hint you guys found out its just showing us that new austin is 100% in rdr2, but we still dont know about nuevo paraiso yet..?

Yeah, this map, accurate or not, is irrelevant as it doesn't show us anything we don't already know.

[seegkilla]

1 hour ago, BretMaverick777 said:

#1.   It's a treasure map, that people have to pay extra to receive as a bonus, so R* have good reason to make sure they're not revealing pertinent information in the photo of the map.   i.e.:   it's likely a placeholder, or deliberately deceptive. 

#2.    People don't read maps at a 45 degree angle.  Period.   Even if you ask them to, for some bizarre reason.   If you can't angle it correctly, it's just pie in the sky.

#3.   If you want to decipher the map, lay it out flat.  Like mapmakers and mapreaders do.   Latitude 1 thru.....what, 28?  38?  Anyone make out the last number?   Longitude A thru O.   The section we're seeing is roughly 4 thru 7.   Begin.

its is not a treasure map, its the exclusive world map

[Mach1bud]

1 minute ago, SG-17 said:

Yeah, this map, accurate or not, is irrelevant as it doesn't show us anything we don't already know.

You gonna provide anything useful for the topic or just keep sh*tting on everyone's parade in here? Everyone knows it doesn't show Mexico. It was just a cool discovery. Let people have their small wins in life.

[AndyGanteks]

I wouldn't say it doesn't show Mexico, in fact if this comparison from the previous page is anywhere near correct in terms of scale/etc, it might just show a NEW part of Mexico and be the first potential proof towards not just getting RDR 1 Nuevo Paraiso, but have it expanded up until Lemoyne to the north east.

[Xextil]

Maybe I'm saying a crazy thing but, according to the image, the map from Special Edition is double sided, right? It can see a line on the inside, and if we consider that it's rolled, the top and the bottom can't be on the same side of the paper. If this were true, then it could be that on one side there was the updated map of RDR and on the other, the new map of RDR2

 

https://i.imgur.com/nh07SGX.jpg

Edited October 7, 2018 by Xextil

[Nutduster]

Just now, AndyGanteks said:

I wouldn't say it doesn't show Mexico, in fact if this comparison from the previous page is anywhere near correct in terms of scale/etc, it might just show a NEW part of Mexico and be the first potential proof towards not just getting RDR 1 Nuevo Paraiso, but have it expanded up until Lemoyne to the north east.

 

I don't know about anything new, but clearly there is at least a small chunk of the east end of Mexico there.  So yeah, IF this map is at all reliable - which to me is a giant IF indeed, given the massive discrepancies in orientation and nonsensical topography - then Mexico would be "confirmed."

Edited October 7, 2018 by Nutduster

[SG-17]

3 minutes ago, AndyGanteks said:

I wouldn't say it doesn't show Mexico, in fact if this comparison from the previous page is anywhere near correct in terms of scale/etc, it might just show a NEW part of Mexico and be the first potential proof towards not just getting RDR 1 Nuevo Paraiso, but have it expanded up until Lemoyne to the north east.

The question is, if this is true, are they going to alter the borders of RDR? It was sheer cliff face in Mexico for the Eastern and Southern borders, the only place that got close to the top of the cliff was Torquemada. Unless they make that area the only way in or out, could we see new changes to the geography along the Eastern border?

[Mach1bud]

I think the RDR1 map will be significantly changed to look good along with the new map. 

[Nutduster]

I am still unconvinced there will be any new playable land for Mexico to the east.  We have no evidence of it that I know of. Just a very distant pic that there is land sound of Flatiron Lake (which of course there is - that doesn't mean we can go there).

[Frantz Fuchs]

Has the mapping community got a final predictive map yet? The one released for gtav was shockingly close

[JustAMetalHead]

4 minutes ago, Nutduster said:

I am still unconvinced there will be any new playable land for Mexico to the east.  We have no evidence of it that I know of. Just a very distant pic that there is land sound of Flatiron Lake (which of course there is - that doesn't mean we can go there).

Wasn't there that dutch article that said the entire playable map of RDR1 is in RDR2? I know they later took down the statement, but they never really denied it or said the got something wrong. They simply just said they didn't want to spoil anything, and then later took down the claim.

 

EDIT: Nevermind, you're talking about the east of mexico.

Edited October 7, 2018 by JustAMetalHead