Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

[INFERNO E100]

theyve used that kind of landscape already in mexico

 

google image search "colorado" and you dont get canyons for a while its all mountains

[Thor Shreddington]

33 minutes ago, Fluffy Sock said:

But a Colorado ripoff, especially one made by R*, should be as iconic as possible, like this:

 

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That's not Colorado. It's the Grand Canyon. Literally what Arizona is known for world wide. It was carved out over millions of years by the Colorado River, which may be where the confusion came from. The State of Colorado is famous for alpine forests and The Rockies (The Grizzlies).

If you do an image search for "Colorado" the very first picture looks exactly like The Grizzlies.

Edited August 31, 2018 by Thor Shreddington

[Non Funkable Token]

5 hours ago, Thor Shreddington said:

That's not Colorado. It's the Grand Canyon. Literally what Arizona is known for world wide. It was carved out over millions of years by the Colorado River, which may be where the confusion came from. The State of Colorado is famous for alpine forests and The Rockies (The Grizzlies).

If you do an image search for "Colorado" the very first picture looks exactly like The Grizzlies.

 

Sorry, I've mistaken the river with the state

 

It's logical to think The Grizzlies is part of "Ambarino". I hope it's not, tho.

Edited August 31, 2018 by Fluffy Sock

[Chinese Takeout]

1 hour ago, Thor Shreddington said:

The State of Colorado is famous for alpine forests and The Rockies (The Grizzlies).

That's not all its famous for.

 

[DuPz0r]

Not sure if we concluded this or not in the end.

 

 

So these are the areas i'm thinking we know the least about. So i'm going to be focusing on trying to piece these together in the next few weeks.

[BretMaverick777]

3 hours ago, Fluffy Sock said:

 

Sorry, I've mistaken the river with the state

 

It's logic to think The Grizzlies is part of "Ambarino". I hope it's not, tho.

It's logical to think The Grizzlies = Ambarino?   How? 

Keep in mind I used to live in Grand Junction, Colorado, and Colorado was the *last* thing I thought about when I heard about a new state called "Ambarino."   Also keep in mind that almost everything else on the map and in the previews has shown every possible Colorado landform so far, from the Great Plains in the east to the Rockies and the Sangre de Cristos and the San Juan Mountains and even Garden of the Gods in Colorado Springs.  I've seen practically everything you could ask for from Colorado on the map except for Cadillac SUVs at Aspen Ski Resort and maybe a medical marijuana dispensary in Denver.   Why is it logical to assume somebody at Rockstar looked at the working map and said, "You know what this map of Colorado needs?  ....moar Colorado"   /baffled at this argument

[BretMaverick777]

34 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

Not sure if we concluded this or not in the end.

 

 

So these are the areas i'm thinking we know the least about. So i'm going to be focusing on trying to piece these together in the next few weeks.

Yeah, I'd really like to know more about Roanoke Ridge, even though we know a good bit about its two towns, Van Horn and Annesburg.   The Grizzlies are still pretty much a mystery....we've seen the shots of the blizzard, but that might not even be set in the Grizzlies at all, but somewhere else getting snowed under by the Great Blizzard of '99.

 

But tbh, the area with the LEAST amount of exposure so far (other than the desert, of course, and our Island in the Sun) is Cumberland Forest.  Practically every shot we've seen of forest in the previews has been collectively identified as either Tall Trees or the heavily wooded valley of Strawberry Creek in Big Valley.   So if any of those shots of deep woods have been anywhere in the Cumberland Forest, we just don't know it yet.   I'm always on the lookout for anything that might resemble Old Fort Wallace, Six Point Cabin, Doverhill, Clingman, or the Purple Place.   

[Tradan]

14 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

the cut off top of the brand names matches the cut off bottom part if someone wants to fix that

 

Not the best job, but I tried.

[e1999KrayzieBone]

I think people are saying that it's interesting how much "Ambarino" and "Colorado" match up in terms of syllables, origin and meaning. I could give you many examples of Rockstar drawing a real-life locale's actual name as inspiration for the area it's meant to represent, in either syllables, meaning or origin.

 

1) Los Santos = Los Angeles (Origin: Spanish | Meaning > Angels vs. Saints)

2) Alderney = New Jersey (Syllables: 3, ending in "ey")

3) Dukes = Queens (Syllables: 1 | Origin: English | Meaning: both versions of British royals)

4) Algonquin = Manhattan (Syllables: 3 | Origin: Native American)

5) Rio Bravo = Rio Grande (Syllables: 4 | Origin: Spanish)...i know one's a region and one's a river, but obviously the inspiration was drawn from Rio Grande.

6) The Grizzlies = The Rockies (Syllables: 3 | Origin: English)

..I'm sure I could go on and on, but these are off the top of my head. 

 

As far as Colorado and Amberino connect,

1) Both are four syllable words ending in "o"

2) Both are of Spanish origin

3) Ambarino means "Amber" while Colorado means "Colored Red." 

 

Those are very interesting, strong similarities there that can't be denied, so therefore I think it's fair for people to speculate that Ambarino could actually be named after Colorado. Now what area on the map would best represent Colorado?

 

Well, what is Colorado most famous for to the general public? It's 100% most famous for the Rockies, which is what the Grizzlies represent. 78 of the 100 tallest peaks in the Rockies are located in Colorado. They have a baseball team named the Rockies. Coors Light's slogan was once "Tap the Rockies...." You'd have to be "Rocky Mountain High, Colorado" to not think Colorado is most famous, at least from an outsider's perspective, for the Rockies. 

 

So in the off chance that Rockstar did want to break up New Hanover and make The Grizzlies a part of it's own unique state, given it's unique topography, it's totally logical to think that "Ambarino" is a good name to give it. 

[DuPz0r]

1 hour ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Yeah, I'd really like to know more about Roanoke Ridge, even though we know a good bit about its two towns, Van Horn and Annesburg.   The Grizzlies are still pretty much a mystery....we've seen the shots of the blizzard, but that might not even be set in the Grizzlies at all, but somewhere else getting snowed under by the Great Blizzard of '99.

 

But tbh, the area with the LEAST amount of exposure so far (other than the desert, of course, and our Island in the Sun) is Cumberland Forest.  Practically every shot we've seen of forest in the previews has been collectively identified as either Tall Trees or the heavily wooded valley of Strawberry Creek in Big Valley.   So if any of those shots of deep woods have been anywhere in the Cumberland Forest, we just don't know it yet.   I'm always on the lookout for anything that might resemble Old Fort Wallace, Six Point Cabin, Doverhill, Clingman, or the Purple Place.   

Well then, our next project...?

 

Here's most of the forest/wood shots we have. Shall we try and pair them into tree types and biomes , and see if we can narrow them down that way?

 

I know some of you have already done the legwork in terms of matching them up to their real-world equivalent, maybe you'll find this easier than others.

Edited August 31, 2018 by DuPz0r

[BretMaverick777]

47 minutes ago, e1999KrayzieBone said:

I think people are saying that it's interesting how much "Ambarino" and "Colorado" match up in terms of syllables, origin and meaning. I could give you many examples of Rockstar drawing a real-life locale's actual name as inspiration for the area it's meant to represent, in either syllables, meaning or origin.

 

1) Los Santos = Los Angeles (Origin: Spanish | Meaning > Angels vs. Saints)

2) Alderney = New Jersey (Syllables: 3, ending in "ey")

3) Dukes = Queens (Syllables: 1 | Origin: English | Meaning: both versions of British royals)

4) Algonquin = Manhattan (Syllables: 3 | Origin: Native American)

5) Rio Bravo = Rio Grande (Syllables: 4 | Origin: Spanish)...i know one's a region and one's a river, but obviously the inspiration was drawn from Rio Grande.

6) The Grizzlies = The Rockies (Syllables: 3 | Origin: English)

..I'm sure I could go on and on, but these are off the top of my head. 

 

As far as Colorado and Amberino connect,

1) Both are four syllable words ending in "o"

2) Both are of Spanish origin

3) Ambarino means "Amber" while Colorado means "Colored Red." 

 

Those are very interesting, strong similarities there that can't be denied, so therefore I think it's fair for people to speculate that Ambarino could actually be named after Colorado. Now what area on the map would best represent Colorado?

 

Well, what is Colorado most famous for to the general public? It's 100% most famous for the Rockies, which is what the Grizzlies represent. 78 of the 100 tallest peaks in the Rockies are located in Colorado. They have a baseball team named the Rockies. Coors Light's slogan was once "Tap the Rockies...." You'd have to be "Rocky Mountain High, Colorado" to not think Colorado is most famous, at least from an outsider's perspective, for the Rockies. 

 

So in the off chance that Rockstar did want to break up New Hanover and make The Grizzlies a part of it's own unique state, given it's unique topography, it's totally logical to think that "Ambarino" is a good name to give it. 

Know what else has 4 syllables...?

 

A Ri Zo Na.

We're looking for a desert, not a renamed mountain range. 

[Little Big Man]

Hey, Mr. Amborine Man, play a song for me

Edited September 1, 2018 by Little Big Man

[Sausache]

37 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

Well then, our next project...?

 

Here's most of the forest/wood shots we have. Shall we try and pair them into tree types and biomes , and see if we can narrow them down that way?

 

I know some of you have already done the legwork in terms of matching them up to their real-world equivalent, maybe you'll find this easier than others.

Most of these I think I can locate.

Left-right, top-bottom

 

1-I think it is in Cumberland Forest, somewhere

2-Definitely Bayou

3-Descending south towards the Heartlands from around Big Valley/Grizzlies border

4-Located at a Caravan Camp. Shady Belle would have trees, could also be Dewberry Creek, and maybe Beaver Hollow(though it is probably too flat for there)

5-Sun rays don't help, but it is a road(not a trail) going south in a forest, so only really fits that area of Cumberland Forest

6-Very likely the Dakota River, where it is valleyed between the Grizzlies and the Cumberland Plateau

7-Terrain map says steep elevation on our right with Arthur going north. Between the abandoned mine and Pronghorn Ranch is my bet, but could be elsewhere

8-Applewood Timber Co. Not a certain thing, but obvious candidate. Tall Trees seems like a much better fit though.

9-Border between Heartlands and Cumberland on a road

10-Bayou

11-Cumberland Forest, but where I'm not certain

12- Edge of Bayou with Scarlett or Bluegill

13-Big Valley, maybe Painted Sky

14-Bayou, but near a settlement

15-Cumberland Forest I think

16-People speculated Tall Trees at reveal, and I tend to agree with this. If not there, def Cumberland

17-Tall Trees-ish, so I bet it's by Owanjita 

18-Scarlett Meadows, without a doubt

[TexasOdysseus]

16 hours ago, Cutter De Blanc said:

Those brand names are all Rockstar

Wakefield and Bakeman

 

JJ MCClure's hair tonic? Burt Reynolds' character in the Cannonball Run.

 

 

 

I just created a profile because I felt compelled to just say thank you to those who've put in time and creative energy in trying to work out this map, especially Dupzor. Well done, all of you.

 

I'm not a real gamer, a mid-40s suburban Dad who got really caught up in RDR back in the day and love that game. So RDR2 is literally the first game I've ever pre-purchased. I'm also a huge map nerd and love GIS stuff so my hat is off to those of you who've put in the time to do such good work--y'all are on the mark I think with a great deal of this. 

 

My theory (which may be obtuse and obvious) is that the map was deliberately leaked. Rockstar's been so cagey and crafty on not overhyping a game that doesn't really need to be pumped up...they've been smartly conservative in their marketing to date, and now we're seeing the crescendo build to the release date. It's a good study in marketing, IMO. 

 

And I just think this is an utterly gorgeous looking game. It may very well be the greatest game ever when all is said and done. I can't wait. Again, thanks for he efforts of the community here--good stuff and I appreciate it. 

Edited August 31, 2018 by TexasOdysseus

[Mynameisnobody]

56 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Know what else has 4 syllables...?

 

A Ri Zo Na.

We're looking for a desert, not a renamed mountain range. 

I highly doubt about Arizona as New Austin looks like it.

 

from http://reddead.wikia.com/ :

 

 The terrain of New Austin resembles aspects of several real Southwestern U.S. states. Cholla Springs resembles Arizona's desert with its saguaro cactus, desert scrub, and prickly pears.....

 

Then they have to fill up this part in front of West Elisabeth that we can see on the leaked map.

 

I could see a place inspired by mexico and carribean but probably not... 

[BretMaverick777]

1 hour ago, Sausache said:

Most of these I think I can locate.

Left-right, top-bottom

 

1-I think it is in Cumberland Forest, somewhere

2-Definitely Bayou

3-Descending south towards the Heartlands from around Big Valley/Grizzlies border

4-Located at a Caravan Camp. Shady Belle would have trees, could also be Dewberry Creek, and maybe Beaver Hollow(though it is probably too flat for there)

5-Sun rays don't help, but it is a road(not a trail) going south in a forest, so only really fits that area of Cumberland Forest

6-Very likely the Dakota River, where it is valleyed between the Grizzlies and the Cumberland Plateau

7-Terrain map says steep elevation on our right with Arthur going north. Between the abandoned mine and Pronghorn Ranch is my bet, but could be elsewhere

8-Applewood Timber Co. Not a certain thing, but obvious candidate. Tall Trees seems like a much better fit though.

9-Border between Heartlands and Cumberland on a road

10-Bayou

11-Cumberland Forest, but where I'm not certain

12- Edge of Bayou with Scarlett or Bluegill

13-Big Valley, maybe Painted Sky

14-Bayou, but near a settlement

15-Cumberland Forest I think

16-People speculated Tall Trees at reveal, and I tend to agree with this. If not there, def Cumberland

17-Tall Trees-ish, so I bet it's by Owanjita 

18-Scarlett Meadows, without a doubt

Most of those I agree with...probably all, I just don't have time rn at work to itemize.

 

Some keys to look for are- 

- sequoias/redwoods = Tall Trees

- red dirt = Scarlett Meadows

- live oaks with spanish moss hanging from the limbs = Bayou 

- evergreen forests = Big Valley? 

- deciduous forests = probably Cumberland, but the could fit other locations.

 

The live oaks and cypress are a definite indicator of the South, but I keep looking for more Southern  "trademarks" like magnolias, rhododendron, and mountain laurel.  I'd love to see some golden aspen out west too

[DuPz0r]

1 hour ago, Sausache said:

Most of these I think I can locate.

Left-right, top-bottom

 

1-I think it is in Cumberland Forest, somewhere

2-Definitely Bayou

3-Descending south towards the Heartlands from around Big Valley/Grizzlies border

4-Located at a Caravan Camp. Shady Belle would have trees, could also be Dewberry Creek, and maybe Beaver Hollow(though it is probably too flat for there)

5-Sun rays don't help, but it is a road(not a trail) going south in a forest, so only really fits that area of Cumberland Forest

6-Very likely the Dakota River, where it is valleyed between the Grizzlies and the Cumberland Plateau

7-Terrain map says steep elevation on our right with Arthur going north. Between the abandoned mine and Pronghorn Ranch is my bet, but could be elsewhere

8-Applewood Timber Co. Not a certain thing, but obvious candidate. Tall Trees seems like a much better fit though.

9-Border between Heartlands and Cumberland on a road

10-Bayou

11-Cumberland Forest, but where I'm not certain

12- Edge of Bayou with Scarlett or Bluegill

13-Big Valley, maybe Painted Sky

14-Bayou, but near a settlement

15-Cumberland Forest I think

16-People speculated Tall Trees at reveal, and I tend to agree with this. If not there, def Cumberland

17-Tall Trees-ish, so I bet it's by Owanjita 

18-Scarlett Meadows, without a doubt

I agree with most of those places too. One that i feel is wrong though is the one you marked as 3. The image with the fire in the background i think is situated more in line with your 9.

 

The fire i think is the oil feilds and as you can see jailhouse rock in the background, it is likely we're seeing the posse exit Cumberland looking out towards Dakota River and Beyond.

 

I could be wrong but that's how it looks to me.

[Chinese Takeout]

2 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Know what else has 4 syllables...?

 

A Ri Zo Na.

We're looking for a desert, not a renamed mountain range. 

 

But seriously, here's what would help me get a grasp...the Choo Choo Train puzzle description says:

 

"The Train, as featured in the game, runs passengers and freight on the entire network of railways throughout Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, Lemoyne and New Austin."

 

If these are all states (as they appear to be) -AND- they are ALL the states (why wouldn't they be?), then here are my thoughts/questions:

 

1. When I think of "States" I think of the "United States." In RDR1 there were 2 states: West Elizabeth & New Austin. Plus, there was Mexico (Nuevo Paraiso), which is not another state, but rather another country (although, sure..."Nuevo Paraiso" could be the name of a Mexican "state," but again...not part of the United "States".

1A.) Is this generally agreed upon, or am I alone in looking at RDR1 this way? If I'm not alone, or just assuming I'm right for argument's sake...

2. I, personally, would interpret the list of 5 STATES to be United States States (not necessarily a 1:1...i.e. "West Elizabeth" might incorporate 2, 3 or more REAL states in its makeup, but within the world of RDR, it's a single STATE.

3. We know where the state of West Elizabeth is, and we know where the state of New Austin is...but do we know conclusively where the states of Ambarino, New Hanover & Lemoyne are? I mean, do we know where their borders begin and end? Because that's something I haven't seen yet. 

4. Given what I've said in 1, 2 & 3...I don't think "Ambarino" is a "Mexican State" a'la "Nuevo Paraiso." Obviously...I could be dead wrong. I'm not married to any of these positions...I'm just sharing where I'm at mentally right now.

 

Thoughts???

 

TL;DR: What are the borders of the 5 States in RDR2 as reflected in our MAP?

 

EDIT: BTW, here's what I'm NOT saying...I'm not saying that Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, Lemoyne and New Austin are the only locations on the RDR2 map. I'm just saying that these are the places the Choo Choo goes. Or, rather, that's what Rockstar are saying. Let's not get hung up trying to shoehorn locations from the leaked map or that we see in a video into these 5 "states." There may be other areas of the world that we've seen in the VIDEOS/STILLS, but do not see on the MAP. However, I *do* think that these 5 "States" should be found on the leaked map, until further evidence shows more of 'Murica.

 

Edited August 31, 2018 by Chinese Takeout

[Chinese Takeout]

FWIW...here is a perspective-corrected version of the original map (i.e. the squares are squares). I know I'm not the first person to do this, but I couldn't find the old one, and since we are getting into the final days of our map-building, I feel like precision will be more and more a factor. Just ignore if you don't want to use it. Just sharing in case anyone else's OCD is working overtime.

 

Spoiler

 

[e1999KrayzieBone]

2 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Know what else has 4 syllables...?

 

A Ri Zo Na.

We're looking for a desert, not a renamed mountain range. 

Why not assume the desert shot was in New Austin? Because, you know, it was mostly desert?

 

[TechDevil]

2 hours ago, TexasOdysseus said:

 

JJ MCClure's hair tonic? Burt Reynolds' character in the Cannonball Run.

 

 

 

I just created a profile because I felt compelled to just say thank you to those who've put in time and creative energy in trying to work out this map, especially Dupzor. Well done, all of you.

 

I'm not a real gamer, a mid-40s suburban Dad who got really caught up in RDR back in the day and love that game. So RDR2 is literally the first game I've ever pre-purchased. I'm also a huge map nerd and love GIS stuff so my hat is off to those of you who've put in the time to do such good work--y'all are on the mark I think with a great deal of this. 

 

My theory (which may be obtuse and obvious) is that the map was deliberately leaked. Rockstar's been so cagey and crafty on not overhyping a game that doesn't really need to be pumped up...they've been smartly conservative in their marketing to date, and now we're seeing the crescendo build to the release date. It's a good study in marketing, IMO. 

 

And I just think this is an utterly gorgeous looking game. It may very well be the greatest game ever when all is said and done. I can't wait. Again, thanks for he efforts of the community here--good stuff and I appreciate it. 

Welcome to the forum! It's a fun place full of dedicated mappers! 

[Sausache]

41 minutes ago, DuPz0r said:

I agree with most of those places too. One that i feel is wrong though is the one you marked as 3. The image with the fire in the background i think is situated more in line with your 9.

 

The fire i think is the oil feilds and as you can see jailhouse rock in the background, it is likely we're seeing the posse exit Cumberland looking out towards Dakota River and Beyond.

 

I could be wrong but that's how it looks to me.

The reason I placed 3 there is because of where trails line up. In image 3, we can see the trail fork with Oil Fields/Kerosene and Tar in the distance behind a hill. The trail right at 3 appears to be going down a mountain, fork to the left and right. The right trail from the riders perspective goes around a large rocky hill, and in the map, the trail curves around something of similar size and shape. I believe that the rocky hill is blocking a view of Valentine from the north, but leaves the left open enough for us to see Cornwall in the distance. The riders are on the north side of the Dakota River, and we just can't see the water. People seem to be speculating that the river is level with the Cumberland plateau, but I think it's more canyon-like up until about Bacchus Bridge.

[BretMaverick777]

13 minutes ago, e1999KrayzieBone said:

Why not assume the desert shot was in New Austin? Because, you know, it was mostly desert?

 

Dude(s), why are you so opposed to fun..?

 

Look, I'm not anti anybody's speculation about the game, but your "The Grizzlies are Ambarino" is counterproductive to the game and would add literally no value to it.  The rest of us are all speculating Ambarino is a whole new map and a whole new region.  Whether it's Mexico, the Southwest, Colombia, or Timbuktu is immaterial....it's a new playground.  

 

Don't you agree that a new playground is MUCH better than wishing that a new region DOESN'T turn out to be anything other than semantics?

 

Work with us.  Let's wish for more fun, not LESS fun

59 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

 

But seriously, here's what would help me get a grasp...the Choo Choo Train puzzle description says:

 

"The Train, as featured in the game, runs passengers and freight on the entire network of railways throughout Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, Lemoyne and New Austin."

 

If these are all states (as they appear to be) -AND- they are ALL the states (why wouldn't they be?), then here are my thoughts/questions:

 

1. When I think of "States" I think of the "United States." In RDR1 there were 2 states: West Elizabeth & New Austin. Plus, there was Mexico (Nuevo Paraiso), which is not another state, but rather another country (although, sure..."Nuevo Paraiso" could be the name of a Mexican "state," but again...not part of the United "States".

1A.) Is this generally agreed upon, or am I alone in looking at RDR1 this way? If I'm not alone, or just assuming I'm right for argument's sake...

2. I, personally, would interpret the list of 5 STATES to be United States States (not necessarily a 1:1...i.e. "West Elizabeth" might incorporate 2, 3 or more REAL states in its makeup, but within the world of RDR, it's a single STATE.

3. We know where the state of West Elizabeth is, and we know where the state of New Austin is...but do we know conclusively where the states of Ambarino, New Hanover & Lemoyne are? I mean, do we know where their borders begin and end? Because that's something I haven't seen yet. 

4. Given what I've said in 1, 2 & 3...I don't think "Ambarino" is a "Mexican State" a'la "Nuevo Paraiso." Obviously...I could be dead wrong. I'm not married to any of these positions...I'm just sharing where I'm at mentally right now.

 

Thoughts???

 

TL;DR: What are the borders of the 5 States in RDR2 as reflected in our MAP?

 

EDIT: BTW, here's what I'm NOT saying...I'm not saying that Ambarino, New Hanover, West Elizabeth, Lemoyne and New Austin are the only locations on the RDR2 map. I'm just saying that these are the places the Choo Choo goes. Or, rather, that's what Rockstar are saying. Let's not get hung up trying to shoehorn locations from the leaked map or that we see in a video into these 5 "states." There may be other areas of the world that we've seen in the VIDEOS/STILLS, but do not see on the MAP. However, I *do* think that these 5 "States" should be found on the leaked map, until further evidence shows more of 'Murica.

 

I get what you're saying.

And yeah, I think 5 states = 5 US states.  But Mexico would still logically add with the rest of the RDR1 map, and still be honest to the timeline in that the rails don't run there til 1911 and 1914 respectively. 

[nubcaker]

6 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Dude(s), why are you so opposed to fun..?

 

Look, I'm not anti anybody's speculation about the game, but your "The Grizzlies are Ambarino" is counterproductive to the game and would add literally no value to it.  The rest of us are all speculating Ambarino is a whole new map and a whole new region.  Whether it's Mexico, the Southwest, Colombia, or Timbuktu is immaterial....it's a new playground.  

 

Don't you agree that a new playground is MUCH better than wishing that a new region DOESN'T turn out to be anything other than semantics?

 

Work with us.  Let's wish for more fun, not LESS fun

I get what you're saying.

And yeah, I think 5 states = 5 US states.  But Mexico would still logically add with the rest of the RDR1 map, and still be honest to the timeline in that the rails don't run there til 1911 and 1914 respectively. 

Lol, there's nothing wrong with keeping your expectations in check and going for the most logical solution. (Occam's razor and all that)  I subscribe to the idea that Amberino is supposed to be Colorado, but that doesn't mean there couldn't be another desert area entirely. Besides, we have nothing but that particular name so whatever speculation you make isn't going to add or retract anything from what we can assume with evidence.

[ivarblaauw]

They don't necessarily speak about states. They only state the names of regions this specific train goes to. 

 

There could be more regions, there can be other traintracks. Ambarino can be an US territory, US state or even Mexican territory. We simply don't know. 

 

We do know that the leaked map is not the whole map. Not even close. We'll get an absolutely massive map for us players to enjoy. 

 

My guess is that we see a new part of Mexico (Ambarino?), a part of the redemption mountains (New Austin+) and Nuevo Paraiso and the west part of those regions. 

 

I believe that now they have added New Austin, they also have made mountain trails there (explaining the valley to the south west, which we see in the Big Valley panoramic shot). 

Which we can use to travel from Big Valley to New Austin.

Edited August 31, 2018 by ivarblaauw

[albinobuffalo96]

7 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Dude(s), why are you so opposed to fun..?

 

Look, I'm not anti anybody's speculation about the game, but your "The Grizzlies are Ambarino" is counterproductive to the game and would add literally no value to it.  The rest of us are all speculating Ambarino is a whole new map and a whole new region.  Whether it's Mexico, the Southwest, Colombia, or Timbuktu is immaterial....it's a new playground.  

 

Don't you agree that a new playground is MUCH better than wishing that a new region DOESN'T turn out to be anything other than semantics?

 

Work with us.  Let's wish for more fun, not LESS fun

The only person telling people what not to think is you, even if we're all wishing that its a new territory, a lot of people here are trying to figure out what makes the most sense given what we know, and Ambarino being one of the states seen in the leaked map (while not conclusive) makes a lot of sense to a lot of people. We've had the leaked maps forever but the state names have been a lot harder to find out. We finally learned about New Hanover and Lemoyne a few months ago, neither of which appear to cover the Grizzlies, it makes sense that there's one more state that covers the grizzlies and if so they would have to mention it in the same breath as Lemoyne, New Hanover, West Elizabeth and New Austin. None of this means there cant be a new region also.

[AzBat360]

2 hours ago, TexasOdysseus said:

I'm not a real gamer, a mid-40s suburban Dad who got really caught up in RDR back in the day and love that game. So RDR2 is literally the first game I've ever pre-purchased. I'm also a huge map nerd and love GIS stuff so my hat is off to those of you who've put in the time to do such good work--y'all are on the mark I think with a great deal of this. 

45yr old dad here. Love maps & do GIS for a living & was a surveyor before that. The first Redemption game was a life changer for me & I've been gaming almost all my life. Haven't pre-ordered yet, but will, just haven't afforded it yet - dad stuff

 

Totally agree that the map work here is off the chain. Congrats & thanks guys!

[Chinese Takeout]

So, here's my PLACEHOLDER map, just to get the ball rolling. And, yes...I just named the Northernmost State Amberino to mess with you, BretMaverick777 .

 

But, for real...other than West Lizbeth & Nuevo Austino, I'm just guessing. No idea how the state lines will actually be broken up. But this helps me wrap my mind around how it MIGHT go. For example, if you want to say that Amborino is a previously unseen part of the map that represents even MORE of the United States, then there are certain consequences:

1. If this new section has trains running through it, then it has to be one of the 5 states listed.

2. If you say that the new area is Amborino, then you have to change my map's Amborino to either New Hanover or Lemoyne (or possibly an extension of West Elizabeth). Now you're getting into some pretty Gigantic States, that really start to be more like REGIONS than individual states. Even in my map, below, these STATE breakdowns are HUGE.

3. If there is some unseen section of map that ends up being MEXICO...I don't think that can be considered part of the 5-state group. And, even if Amborino ends up being Mexico...that leaves the Grizzlies needing to be incorporated into either New Hanover or LeMoyne. Which, I guess, is possible.

 

 

 

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[Mynameisnobody]

I'm convinced that there is a region under West Elisabeth. In term of gameplay it would make sense to have the possibility to go south to desert and all around the iron lake 

Then you couldnt get get down from the cliff up to Nuevo Paraiso

[INFERNO E100]

45 minutes ago, Chinese Takeout said:

So, here's my PLACEHOLDER map, just to get the ball rolling. And, yes...I just named the Northernmost State Amberino to mess with you, BretMaverick777 .

 

But, for real...other than West Lizbeth & Nuevo Austino, I'm just guessing. No idea how the state lines will actually be broken up. But this helps me wrap my mind around how it MIGHT go. For example, if you want to say that Amborino is a previously unseen part of the map that represents even MORE of the United States, then there are certain consequences:

1. If this new section has trains running through it, then it has to be one of the 5 states listed.

2. If you say that the new area is Amborino, then you have to change my map's Amborino to either New Hanover or Lemoyne (or possibly an extension of West Elizabeth). Now you're getting into some pretty Gigantic States, that really start to be more like REGIONS than individual states. Even in my map, below, these STATE breakdowns are HUGE.

3. If there is some unseen section of map that ends up being MEXICO...I don't think that can be considered part of the 5-state group. And, even if Amborino ends up being Mexico...that leaves the Grizzlies needing to be incorporated into either New Hanover or LeMoyne. Which, I guess, is possible.

 

 

 

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turn big valley purple and you have it