Mapping Red Dead Redemption 2! Landmark Analysis Thread

[BretMaverick777]

17 minutes ago, JustAMetalHead said:

I swear someone managed to go into rdr1 and go to the same place that screenshot was in. That little bit of what looks like buildings on the right is Blackwater. And that main lake bit is the flat iron lake.

Yes, it's Flat Iron Lake.  I labeled it as such. 

No, it's not Great Plains and Blackwater.   There's no corn silo like that in Blackwater.  There's no great big dark brown building like the sawmill to the SE of Blackwater.   No, there's no sheep in the Great Plains.  In fact, there's literally only one place sheep can be found in RDR1, and that's in a small pen in Armadillo...you can earn a bounty for shooting them.  

 

It's Shepherd's Rise.  Trust. 

[Cutter De Blanc]

the cut off top of the brand names matches the cut off bottom part if someone wants to fix that

[BretMaverick777]

8 minutes ago, Dick Justice said:

Could Ambarino (Amber) be based on Colorado (Red), meaning it is actually only the area of the leaked map that the Grizzlies are in? Maybe there’s no grand expansion beyond those mountains or to the South at all. 

There's no arid deserts in a northern climate like that, with gila monsters and saguaro and organ pipe cacti.   It's Sonoran type desert.  Very hot, very dry.  Arizona and Mexico only.   The amber is most likely a reference to the color of the sand shown in the shot in the gameplay trailer, a dark yellow-orange.   

[JustAMetalHead]

Just now, BretMaverick777 said:

Yes, it's Flat Iron Lake.  I labeled it as such. 

No, it's not Great Plains and Blackwater.   There's no corn silo like that in Blackwater.  There's no great big dark brown building like the sawmill to the SE of Blackwater.   No, there's no sheep in the Great Plains.  In fact, there's literally only one place sheep can be found in RDR1, and that's in a small pen in Armadillo...you can earn a bounty for shooting them.  

 

It's Shepherd's Rise.  Trust. 

I don't actually see any sheep, just horses. Is that a corn silo? I thought it was just a church or a building.

 

I'm also trying to find the image comparing the spot to RDR1, but I can't be bothered to read through a hundred pages.

[Dick Justice]

30 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

There's no arid deserts in a northern climate like that, with gila monsters and saguaro and organ pipe cacti.   It's Sonoran type desert.  Very hot, very dry.  Arizona and Mexico only.   The amber is most likely a reference to the color of the sand shown in the shot in the gameplay trailer, a dark yellow-orange.   

I think you may have misunderstood me. Colorado means Red, wheres Amberino means Amber. The names are strikingly similar, even though the climate of Colorado does not necessarily match it's name. It is possible the climate of Amberino does not match it's either and we know the Grizzlies are likely based on the Colorado Rockies anyway. I'm just trying to be realistic here. 

 

Edit: I was never suggesting Amberino was the desert from the trailer at all.

Edited August 30, 2018 by Dick Justice

[Gtaman_92]

Ambarino sounds like it could be a desert region. Maybe it’s a providence in Mexico or southwestern state.

[BretMaverick777]

14 minutes ago, Dick Justice said:

I think you may have misunderstood me. Colorado means Red, wheres Amberino means Amber. The names are strikingly similar, even though the climate of Colorado does not necessarily match it's name. It is possible the climate of Amberino does not match it's either and we know the Grizzlies are likely based on the Colorado Rockies anyway. I'm just trying to be realistic here. 

 

Edit: I was never suggesting Amberino was the desert from the trailer at all.

The Grizzlies dominate half the map.   You're suggesting a new region would be even more frozen mountains...?  What for? 

It's just simple math.   They posted a shot of a very Arizona, very Mexico desert, and promised sweeping deserts.  Now we hear of a state called Ambarino coming to the map, along with the return of New Austin.   New Austin is a Chihuahuan desert, and is definitely not the one shown in the gameplay trailer.  It stands to reason Ambarino is that Sonoran desert region.   Mexico, Arizona, either one....why wouldn't it be? 

[Dick Justice]

6 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

The Grizzlies dominate half the map.   You're suggesting a new region would be even more frozen mountains...?  What for? 

It's just simple math.   They posted a shot of a very Arizona, very Mexico desert, and promised sweeping deserts.  Now we hear of a state called Ambarino coming to the map, along with the return of New Austin.   New Austin is a Chihuahuan desert, and is definitely not the one shown in the gameplay trailer.  It stands to reason Ambarino is that Sonoran desert region.   Mexico, Arizona, either one....why wouldn't it be? 

I never once suggested Amberino was a new region, you keep putting words in my mouth. Just as The Heartlands became New Hanover, I'm suggesting that The Grizzlies are now called Amberino. Before writing a paragraph in response, please actually read what I'm trying to say. 

 

Edit: I feel like you are just going to argue because I am suggesting something you don't want. I don't have the energy for this so I will not even bother responding next time. 

Edited August 30, 2018 by Dick Justice

[BretMaverick777]

42 minutes ago, JustAMetalHead said:

I don't actually see any sheep, just horses. Is that a corn silo? I thought it was just a church or a building.

 

I'm also trying to find the image comparing the spot to RDR1, but I can't be bothered to read through a hundred pages.

Let me help.

Not Blackwater, not Great Plains.  

And Courthouse/Jailhouse Rocks would be almost due north of Blackwater, not far away, almost due east.   That's the vantage point of Shepherds Rise. 

And again, check it on 4K.   I'm running 1080p at best, but at 4K, it's crystal clear.  I just can't download at that res.  

4 minutes ago, Dick Justice said:

I never once suggested Amberino was a new region, you keep putting words in my mouth. Just as The Heartlands became New Hanover, I'm suggesting that The Grizzlies are now called Amberino. Before writing a paragraph in response, please actually read what I'm trying to say. 

 

Edit: I feel like you are just going to argue because I am suggesting something you don't want. I don't have the energy for this so I will not even bother responding next time. 

lol ok

[bcsimms04]

17 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

The Grizzlies dominate half the map.   You're suggesting a new region would be even more frozen mountains...?  What for? 

It's just simple math.   They posted a shot of a very Arizona, very Mexico desert, and promised sweeping deserts.  Now we hear of a state called Ambarino coming to the map, along with the return of New Austin.   New Austin is a Chihuahuan desert, and is definitely not the one shown in the gameplay trailer.  It stands to reason Ambarino is that Sonoran desert region.   Mexico, Arizona, either one....why wouldn't it be? 

New Austin, the area around Armadillo anyways, is 100% central/southwest Arizona desert.

[Alexs25]

Tbh I wanna know whats goin on with the weird extremely symmetrical land mass off the map on the far east side lol

[JustAMetalHead]

42 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Let me help.

Not Blackwater, not Great Plains.  

And Courthouse/Jailhouse Rocks would be almost due north of Blackwater, not far away, almost due east.   That's the vantage point of Shepherds Rise. 

And again, check it on 4K.   I'm running 1080p at best, but at 4K, it's crystal clear.  I just can't download at that res.  

 

Looks like rocks to me. Although I'll admit my eyesight isn't perfect. But that big ole wooden blob looks like blackwater to me, the port is just being hidden by the buildings.

 

Also, I was watching the trailer through a 4k download but I have a 1080p monitor.

[Sausache]

40 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Let me help.

Not Blackwater, not Great Plains.  

And Courthouse/Jailhouse Rocks would be almost due north of Blackwater, not far away, almost due east.   That's the vantage point of Shepherds Rise. 

And again, check it on 4K.   I'm running 1080p at best, but at 4K, it's crystal clear.  I just can't download at that res.  

Courthouse and Jailhouse Rocks are by Emerald Ranch. That is a little more north than Blackwater, but it's much further east than what you seem to be suggesting. That shot is from Broken Tree. We saw the tree, on top of the little stone walls around it. You can go there in game right now and be proven wrong if you'd like. It is definitely not Shepherd's Rise, as we've seen right around that area so far too. Big Valley is far too rocky and full of trees to resemble anything like what you're showing in pictures. 

This is Broken Tree, and this is where we are looking from in those shots.

[silly_nate]

I don’t think Ambarino is in Mexico.

[in the bag]

2 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Let me help.

Not Blackwater, not Great Plains.  

And Courthouse/Jailhouse Rocks would be almost due north of Blackwater, not far away, almost due east.   That's the vantage point of Shepherds Rise. 

And again, check it on 4K.   I'm running 1080p at best, but at 4K, it's crystal clear.  I just can't download at that res.  

lol ok

 

That's definitely Blackwater bro... You are digging a bit too deep here. What you have labeled as "Silo" is that government building that is in Blackwater. And given that they have expanded just about everything in this game, it wouldn't be out of place for them to have sheep roaming the Great Plane's this time around. Though what you have labeled as "Sheep" look more like rocks..

Edited August 31, 2018 by in the bag

[Chinese Takeout]

Yeah, I have to agree. That's obviously Blackwater, as viewed from Broken Tree on the Great Plains.

 

 

If you use stills from the 4K footage, as I do, you can easily make out the Church Steeple, and to the right of it, the Town Hall clock tower. (to the right of that is more of the town).

 

And here's a video of the area in RDR1 I just uploaded: 

 

 

[The Nefarious]

Kind of disappointed that New Austin is back tbh. My only hope now is that they've expanded it a bit to the North in order to replace NP and that we do actually get a new area of Mexico.

[Chinese Takeout]

4 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Easier to read when you post the negative of that picture. 

Looks a lot more like "New Bordeaux" for that tooth paste instead of "New Mondeaux"....New "Mondeaux" was probably 'shopped by an overzealous editor.   In any event, it reconfirms New Bordeaux in the pre-St. Denis days.  

I don't think it looks like "New Bordeaux" at all. It's clearly "New Mondeaux." I even pulled some letters from elsewhere in the logo (M,B,N,R) for side-by-side comparison. I can't think of a reason to conclude that some editor (a Rockstar graphical editor? A 3rd party vendor working for Rockstar?) would take it upon themselves to "photoshop" one word within all of the logos on that page. But, if they DID, then I guess we have to assume that some or all of the rest of the logos have been photoshopped for some reason.

 

And I don't understand what you mean by your last sentence. What is being confirmed? and how/why is that confirmation being determined?

[MarlboroMan1995]

Can’t help but wonder what in the hell would be going on in this thread if we have never got the leaked map...

[JustAMetalHead]

1 minute ago, MarlboroMan1995 said:

Can’t help but wonder what in the hell would be going on in this thread if we have never got the leaked map...

There would be no thread.

[Chinese Takeout]

2 minutes ago, MarlboroMan1995 said:

Can’t help but wonder what in the hell would be going on in this thread if we have never got the leaked map...

We'd be forced to generate a map by piecing together landmarks in various scenes from the videos and stills. In fact, a lot of us (me included) refused to use the leaked map for a long time, preferring to use only "official" footage for mapping purposes. But, that said, once it became clearer that the leak was legit, it really sped up the process that brought us to where we are, haha.

[BretMaverick777]

2 hours ago, JustAMetalHead said:

Looks like rocks to me. Although I'll admit my eyesight isn't perfect. But that big ole wooden blob looks like blackwater to me, the port is just being hidden by the buildings.

 

Also, I was watching the trailer through a 4k download but I have a 1080p monitor.

Yeah, guess you're right. 

My eyesight ain't for sh** at this age anymore.   Apparently my judgment too.

 

Sorry I snapped at you.

[JustAMetalHead]

31 minutes ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Yeah, guess you're right. 

My eyesight ain't for sh** at this age anymore.   Apparently my judgment too.

 

Sorry I snapped at you.

I don't mind, we need more people to be able to respectfully admit they were wrong, especially on the internet lol.

[Chinese Takeout]

3 hours ago, Sausache said:

Courthouse and Jailhouse Rocks are by Emerald Ranch.

I was pretty sure that CH and JH rocks were closer to Heartland Oil Fields and Cornwall Kerosene & Tar. In my mind, since the release of the first trailer, that's what I thought those structures were that the riders were passing...wooden oil derricks. And more recently, I felt like CH and JH are represented as black dots in that area (see my image, below). But, I could be wrong. What do you think?

 

 

 

 

Edited August 31, 2018 by Chinese Takeout

[ivarblaauw]

Due to the new recent information, I have the feeling the map is a lot bigger as we initiately thought. In scale, but also in additional regions.

[BretMaverick777]

1 hour ago, Chinese Takeout said:

I was pretty sure that CH and JH rocks were closer to Heartland Oil Fields and Cornwall Kerosene & Tar. In my mind, since the release of the first trailer, that's what I thought those structures were that the riders were passing...wooden oil derricks. And more recently, I felt like CH and JH are represented as black dots in that area (see my image, below). But, I could be wrong. What do you think?

This one I'm a little more sure of....in the flyby of Courthouse Rock, that crossroads is unmistakeably right below it.    The Emerald Ranch notation is probably off, as it's probably below that ridge in the distance; the house and trees silhouetted there are unmarked buildings on the map.

It's possible that the house on that ridge is the one I marked "Sod House?" as shown; the wooden house here surrounded by sodbuster outbuildings. 

[Herbert_Moon]

When you join GTA forums two days before release only for it to be delayed two years. So yeah I'm back. Lots of great progress I see!

[DuPz0r]

7 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

Let me help.

Not Blackwater, not Great Plains.  

And Courthouse/Jailhouse Rocks would be almost due north of Blackwater, not far away, almost due east.   That's the vantage point of Shepherds Rise. 

And again, check it on 4K.   I'm running 1080p at best, but at 4K, it's crystal clear.  I just can't download at that res.  

lol ok

I was trying to say it wasnt Blackwater many pages back. I pointed out the buildings and the rocks, but the majority believed it was Blackwater because if that viral twitter post with the matching scenes with RDR1.

 

Again, not saying i was right, i just thought i'd mention that i thought the same thing. I just thought it was further in-land, like Lone Mule back then.

Edited August 31, 2018 by DuPz0r

[DuPz0r]

On 8/15/2018 at 3:46 PM, DuPz0r said:

So I've been putting this together, anyone want a shot at guessing where about it is on the map?

Click image for larger version.

 

[INFERNO E100]

8 hours ago, BretMaverick777 said:

There's no arid deserts in a northern climate like that, with gila monsters and saguaro and organ pipe cacti.   It's Sonoran type desert.  Very hot, very dry.  Arizona and Mexico only.   The amber is most likely a reference to the color of the sand shown in the shot in the gameplay trailer, a dark yellow-orange.   

no no like the state of amberino is where the grizzlies are, much like the rockies are in colorado meaning ruddy or red in colour noting to do with the desert shot which is gaptooth 


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8 hours ago, Dick Justice said:

I never once suggested Amberino was a new region, you keep putting words in my mouth. Just as The Heartlands became New Hanover, I'm suggesting that The Grizzlies are now called Amberino. Before writing a paragraph in response, please actually read what I'm trying to say. 

 

Edit: I feel like you are just going to argue because I am suggesting something you don't want. I don't have the energy for this so I will not even bother responding next time. 

people just cannot grasp that the areas on the map are within larger regions that are not on show

 

 

you remember the county of tall trees well that's in the state of west elizabeth

 

now here us out

 

the county of the grizzlies  is in the state of amberino

 

 

algonquin = manhattan; indian

amberino = colorado; spanish