Bad Sport for Destroying Personal Vehicles

October 18, 2016

What's the philosophy behind being a 'bad sport' if you blowup someone's personal vehicle?

It's always seemed so odd to me that, that isn't tolerated when so many worse things are. Especially now when we are actively rewarded for destroying CEO and MC 'selling warehouse stock' (which gives us very little reward and costs them dearly). Obviously I don't necessarily expect the other player to have to pay the insurance to replace their vehicle as that would be unfair, but in other instances R* pay the bill eg PVs destroyed during Headhunter or as part of a bounty kill, so why not always? It just doesn't seem to fit in with how the rest of the game works.

So I'm thinking that it only exists by way of sorting those who are decent players vs those who are ultimately considered 'bad spots'. In other words, is it possible that removing bad sport for those who destroy PVs would yes, allow all players to play with more freedom, but it would ALSO allow more bad sports to remain in the normal lobbies?

October 18, 2016

The whole concept is flawed

the only thing you should get a bad-sport strike for is blowing up a PV that has no occupants. And even then you get charges anyways. A better punished than complete removal to BS lobby would be to take all offenders garage vehicles away from them and not allow them to enter anything other than faggios for set period of time. Ride a faggio and get some air on your vagina or ..walk bitch

Edited October 19, 2016 by PANiC ATTACK3R

October 18, 2016

Not this dead horse again...

Have we run out of fresh topics to discuss or something?

October 18, 2016

i have been against the badsport concept since it was announced the system before the release of the game...

it totally make no sense in this type of game, but took me 11 badsport stints and a transfer to newgen to learn how to play with the system.

i hope they realise the punishing system dont work, dont work as intended and simply ditch it in favor of a more balanced system in the form of lobby options.

friendly/normal/hardcore lobby options, in normal no damage between players, normal would be the current state of gtao with insurances and all and hardcore would be free for all, no insurance, no badsport, no cops, simply a lobby you join to have fun and endless freeroam wars!

October 18, 2016

IMO the only proper reason for this is to reduce use of explosive weapons against players in freemode. However, this could be executed bit better. For example: count as bad sport only if You destroy PV with grenage/rpg/homing etc.. not when shoting it with non-explosive weapons.

2nd thing, due to bad sport for destroying PV, Kuruma Armored should be unavailable in freeroam.

October 18, 2016

I think quite a few things could be changed to make free mode lot fairer. I've been repeated run over by insurgents in the past which is apparently an ok thing to do. But as soon as I blow the thing up I get made a risk of becoming a bad sport. That doesn't make sense to me. What they could do is charge players more when they do destroy vehicles and perhaps have the amount increase the more they blow up in a 24 hour period. That might help put a stop to the jets. What I think people should rapidly become bad sport for is killing player who are afk.

October 18, 2016

Considering the alternative, where everyone can more easily blow up a crazy amount of PV's whenever they want to, I think the system is okay. It just needs to be tweaked.

Destroying a PV when it's near the owner should be okay, I think. Bad sport rating or financial setbacks should not be something that players can use to protect themselves. If you're close to your PV, in it or taking cover behind it that should not be a deterrent for others to attack you or blowing up your PV.

IMHO, if the PV is close enough to the owner you should not get any bad sport rating/point(s).

Destroying a PV when it's nowhere near the owner is just pointless. It might be fun but it's nothing but annoying and unnecessary as it has nothing to do with combat. Ofcourse you can argue that forcing a player somewhere else to call Mors Mutual and get the car back might take time and that's true, but that is hardly a great reason for doing it.

Increasing prices isn't going to stop people. Well, a small percentage definitely. But a lot of people have so much money it wouldn't faze them if they accidentally blew up twenty T20's at once. Between people glitching for money, doing lots of activities like missions/heists/CEO business and those simply using mods, the insurance fees are not really scaring off most players.

So in my opinion, proximity should be the deciding factor. We can complain about bad sport ratings but honestly, in normal gameplay, how often are you actually forced to destroy vehicles? And I don't mean how often you feel that you're being forced, I mean the amount of times you actually have no other choice. As in, when you're definitely going to lose or die if you don't do it. From what I've seen, the limit is rather high and it's easily avoided if you simply prefer bullets over grenades.

October 18, 2016

Not this dead horse again...

Have we run out of fresh topics to discuss or something?

The horse no longer is dead. Its a zombie horse now. Good luck with that.

October 18, 2016

Zombie Horse DLC confirmed!

October 18, 2016

It's only a problem if your kind of a douche and need to kill every person you see. I'll blow up someone's car occasionally and I've never been to bad sport.

Edited October 18, 2016 by that_f-in_guy

October 18, 2016

It's only a problem if your kind of a douche and need to kill every person you see. I'll blow up someone's car occasionally and I've never been to bad sport.

Basically this. It's not like their PV's are throwing themselves at you the second you step out of your apartment/garage/stilt house/office/clubhouse.

October 18, 2016

Not this dead horse again...

Have we run out of fresh topics to discuss or something?

This section's lucky I'll probably never be a mod because if I was, I'd temp everybody who makes a post even similar to this "Another one-" Ban! I'm sick of it. If you don't like the thread then don't post in it. That should be a rule. Because it's annoying when you see, or definitely make, a thread and then have to read non noncontributing complaint posts about the thread, like if you're not here to contribute, get out. It's that simple.

Anyways...

I've always found the Bad Sport system flawed. Yes I believe assholes should be punished for blowing me up in my car while I'm passing by doing nothing to them and yes I absolutely hate those people who see a player's car and just blow it up (though usually they steal mine and go for a joyride lol) but at the same time you can be punished for accidentally blowing up people's cars which can happen a lot if you're not careful.

But the point is, this game is rated M. Yes the majority of players are below 17 years of age but it is a rated M game nonetheless. There should be no censoring and no crappy forms of punishment like Bad Sport, that sh*t sounds like it belongs in a kid's game. Passive Mode makes sense because GTA is so in depth that many players like myself like to go exploring or mind their own business with no drama. But Bad Sport really should go. I believe if you blow up a player's car you should have to pay a lot more than you do. And if you do it frequently you'll have to pay a higher percentage. That seems fair.

And there are times where you do NEED to blow up a PV folks. I have no tolerance for idiots chasing me in their tacky Skittle colored cars. If you're going to tail me, wreck my car or try to chase me down and pop a cap in me, you're going to get blown up. Period.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Scaglietti

October 18, 2016

What's the philosophy behind being a 'bad sport' if you blowup someone's personal vehicle?

Two things.

1. It's a game - there is no philosophy or thought behind anything.

2. Rockstar's choices, as far as this game go, bewilder most people. Do not attempt to make sense of it. Just accept that's the way it is.

October 18, 2016

I've always thought paying insurance is enough punishment. I'm not even sure that should be a thing either but it makes some kind of sense at least.

Not a fan of the bad sport system in general. Getting paid two grand every now and then for being a good little boy? That's not the GTA I know.

October 18, 2016

When six guys come at you in a PV, what are you supposed to do?

Let them kill you because you'll be a bad sport?

In GTAO, don't be a bad sport, be an asshole!

R* logic.

October 18, 2016

It's R* logic at it's finest, if a guy comes to grief you in an Armored Kuruma 9/10 you have no choice but blow them up, especially if they got passengers in the car who can use auto aim on you, then you get penalized for it.

But if I'm happily flying my Mallard doing some stunts, a asshole in the ground can take me down and be on his merry way, even though I offered no danger to him.

If I were in charge of BS points system, here's how I would make them be added to a player:

-If a player quits any job that makes a failure to the rest of players(Lamer missions, heists, etc...), any other kind of job that has no minimun number of players gets a pass;

-If a player kills another player in passive mode over 2 times;

October 18, 2016

It's a flawed system and it's always been flawed and seen as flawed by everyone that's not R*. I can tell you that even R* apologists find it ridiculous deep down.

/thread

Edited October 18, 2016 by Mattoropael

October 18, 2016

When six guys come at you in a PV, what are you supposed to do?

Let them kill you because you'll be a bad sport?

In GTAO, don't be a bad sport, be an asshole!

R* logic.

That's just the way they calculate it.

If I am not mistaken, you're not considered a bad sport until you've blown up too many PV's or left too many jobs. They just tell you that this activity leads to that. And IMO (like I said in my post above), the system should be tweaked so that in the situation you're describing, no bad sport points/ratings are given for blowing up that PV with enemies in it. Proximity! Owner in or near his PV? No bad sport points. Simple.

October 18, 2016

Rockstar retard logic.

Blow up an uninsured ceo crate vehicle and you're rewarded. The player who's blown up is out up to 18k.

Blow up an insured pv that can be near instantly respawned at no cost and now you're a bad guy.

Its counter-intuitive and idiotic. Ive blown up like 20 pvs in a row post ceo update and only get warnings so maybe they changed it but the bs notification still pops.

Has anyone tested this recently?? Just keep blowing up pvs tp see how many. Gotta be at least 50 now in a session to get baf sport

October 18, 2016

Rockstar retard logic.

Blow up an uninsured ceo crate vehicle and you're rewarded. The player who's blown up is out up to 18k.

Blow up an insured pv that can be near instantly respawned at no cost and now you're a bad guy.

Its counter-intuitive and idiotic. Ive blown up like 20 pvs in a row post ceo update and only get warnings so maybe they changed it but the bs notification still pops.

Has anyone tested this recently?? Just keep blowing up pvs tp see how many. Gotta be at least 50 now in a session to get baf sport

I think it's always been a high number? And no matter how stupid the idea is, it's simply rarely an issue.

You have to actually be TRYING to destroy as many PV's as possible to actually become a bad sport.

I've left a lot of contact missions too, always after seeing one or more "teammates" mess up or seeing other indicators that they're moronic and antisocial. I get the warning every time (I think) but I've never been put into BS sessions.

So I get the discussion about the system itself. But unless you're really trying very hard to bother people in-game, it should never impact your gameplay.

October 18, 2016

Again like someone said, only a hindrance if you feel the need to kill everyone at every moment.

October 18, 2016

I think it's outright bullsh*t being put into "bad sport lobbies" by destroying player vehicles in a game called Grand Theft Auto. To me, that kind of takes away a part of the game itself.

But then again, there are more things that don't make sense in this game. For instance, vulgarity and obscene words are spoken by characters and NPC:s around the game's world, yet you can't use the same words yourself for saved outfits, plates or whatnot. R* logic in a nutshell.

October 18, 2016

It's only a problem if your kind of a douche and need to kill every person you see. I'll blow up someone's car occasionally and I've never been to bad sport.

Basically this. It's not like their PV's are throwing themselves at you the second you step out of your apartment/garage/stilt house/office/clubhouse.

Come on, you know that's false. Players literally throw their PVs at you. Lol.

spend enough time in freeroam and the poor sports will report you over and over in lobby after lobby all the while driving Kuruma or Zentorno right at you looking for an easy kill and when they don't succeed time after time they will report you vote to kick and leave. I've seen it happen so many times, it's gotten me in so much trouble. It happened last night. Not the PV destruction but the reports. I logged on played one job piracy prevention, the guy couldn't beat me, he abused passive even in an attempt to beat me. After many fails I watched down my scope as he went passive and voted to kick probably reported too. That was only 15 minutes in game.

I can't imagine if I played as much as I once did. That was only 15 minutes, imagine 8 hours 6 days a week.

Bad sport is flawed

Jets op

Passive is flawed

Kick system is flawed

Report system is flawed

I jump around and tip toe around lobbies because I don't want to bring attention to myself but when I get in a fight 60/40 if I win I get reported. I used to get in a lot more fights. Not too mention all the other stupid stuff players report for like I don't know being higher then rank 200. *facepalm*

I'm all for bad sport points during cooperative missions. Punishment should be not allowed to participate in coop. But I find it completely contradicting in freeroam. Badsport in freeroam should not be a thing. I can live with insurance costs but even that is an unnecessary money drain.

October 18, 2016

The whole concept is floored

the only thing you should get a bad-sport strike for is blowing up a PV that has no occupants. And even then you get charges anyways. A better punished than complete removal to BS lobby would be to take all offenders garage vehicles away from them and not allow them to enter anything other than faggios for set period of time. Ride a faggio and get some air on your vagina or ..walk bitch

*flawed, not floored

October 18, 2016

Somebody blows up the cars in a contact mission = bad sport

Somebody blows up a Kuruma with a killer inside in freeroam = why the f*ck did I get a bad sport point.

Edited October 18, 2016 by Skycam

October 18, 2016

Again like someone said, only a hindrance if you feel the need to kill everyone at every moment.

Do yourself a favor and read the thread like a mature individual before jumping to conclusions?

October 18, 2016

It's only a problem if your kind of a douche and need to kill every person you see. I'll blow up someone's car occasionally and I've never been to bad sport.

Basically this. It's not like their PV's are throwing themselves at you the second you step out of your apartment/garage/stilt house/office/clubhouse.

Come on, you know that's false. Players literally throw their PVs at you. Lol.

spend enough time in freeroam and the poor sports will report you over and over in lobby after lobby all the while driving Kuruma or Zentorno right at you looking for an easy kill and when they don't succeed time after time they will report you vote to kick and leave. I've seen it happen so many times, it's gotten me in so much trouble. It happened last night. Not the PV destruction but the reports. I logged on played one job piracy prevention, the guy couldn't beat me, he abused passive even in an attempt to beat me. After many fails I watched down my scope as he went passive and voted to kick probably reported too. That was only 15 minutes in game.

I can't imagine if I played as much as I once did. That was only 15 minutes, imagine 8 hours 6 days a week.

Bad sport is flawed

Jets op

Passive is flawed

Kick system is flawed

Report system is flawed

I jump around and tip toe around lobbies because I don't want to bring attention to myself but when I get in a fight 60/40 if I win I get reported. I used to get in a lot more fights. Not too mention all the other stupid stuff players report for like I don't know being higher then rank 200. *facepalm*

I'm all for bad sport points during cooperative missions. Punishment should be not allowed to participate in coop. But I find it completely contradicting in freeroam. Badsport in freeroam should not be a thing. I can live with insurance costs but even that is an unnecessary money drain.

Except that it's not false. Because that's always been my experience.

Sure, in a public session without passive mode it's a matter of time until someone comes at me, but never so many that I risk being put into a BS session. Never. And I've played GTA:O ALMOST since it launched.

Now I'm usually a fairly peaceful player. I don't go out to attack others unless they were bothering me. I don't send muggers/mercs after people without provocation. And I can't be bothered to participate in free mode activities that encourage PvP combat. Maybe your experience is different, but with my playstyle I am not at risk at all. If you're finding people desperate to get their PV blown up by you literally dozens of times in a short period of time, that is just unlucky or a case of special circumstances. Maybe a crew would do that to annoy someone and try to get them into BS. Maybe it's a couple of people who just don't quit. But in that case I would ignore them and/or go to a different session.

Saying that as a fact, any player regardless of their own behaviour and choices gets harassed by dozens of people in their PV's is simply incorrect. This has never happened to me, regardless of what kind of session (free aim, assisted aim, etc.) I was in, even if the session was full.

It's stupid that they warn players for doing something that's been part of GTA since the start. It's stupid that they make jets so ridiculously powerful with almost no disadvantages. It's stupid that on last gen at least, passive mode was practically useless and it's stupid that people can get kicked without reason in public sessions. But fact remains that the situation you described is not average for all players. And I must say, your first claim would have a little more credibility (to me) if you didn't misuse the word "literally".

I mean, if players are LITERALLY throwing their PV's at you, it's probably best to leave the session ASAP. Same thing you do when you suddenly see ferris wheels or UFO's appearing on the road.

But whatever. I respect all your opinions but if you want to insist that the system works against all players when that is not the case, fine. I'll be the unpopular opinion guy and leave you to it.

Edited October 18, 2016 by BlackMilk

October 18, 2016

Again like someone said, only a hindrance if you feel the need to kill everyone at every moment.

Do yourself a favor and read the thread like a mature individual before jumping to conclusions?

I agree.

Another point that can be easily tied in with this discussion is the fact that accidental landing your T20 in the lake costs you $20000! I just don't feel that is necessary.

If I were to purposely throw a sticky bomb on my PV and blow it up, then perhaps I would accept paying 20k. But when I'm being chased or simply out for a fun drive in Blaine County, that's another story!

October 18, 2016