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Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 1)

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

I have to agree with you there broski, even the first horse scene, the town horse ride through, him shooting the bow and arrow, all looks like gameplay!

 

But talking about the executions again, if sold as DLC? f*ck yea I would buy that. Cosmetics like rings, hat's or boots would sell like a muhf*cka. Look idk how they are going to do microtransactions and DLC or if it will be a service based title. I think they could MAYBE support RDR2 & Online for say 4 years if they wanted to. Some new Gun as the highlight of updates like cars to GTAO, along with a variety of fancy and armored stagecoaches and horses that do different sh*t. Idk I just kmow these muhf*ckas are unique and creative, I CAN'T help but keeping in mind "The games vast and atmospheric world will also provide the foundation for a brand new online multiplayer experience" this is what sold it for me riggt here.

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Jason

If there is stealth gameplay they better bloody bring back crouching. Some great possibilities for it in online PvP as well, hiding in bushes and what not.

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DGSimo

 

I guess I have to post that on every page:

A spring release date makes no sense anymore !

 

Dont understand how so many still think they will get the game before summer time

 

- Take Two's new financial year starts 1st of April

You can keep posting it as many times as you like but your points are a little off and we're not certain about anything at this point. The only thing we can do and go off is what's been done in the past soo to break it down...oh and the next fiscal year starting in April doesn't really seem to have any meaning anyway soooo?

 

- GoW releases 30th of April. You can make bets Sony and Take Two are aligned on this release schedule! There is no way RDR2 releases 1 month before or after GoW

God of War releasing on April 20th has no bearing on third party releases before or after. It's solely a linear single player game for one so it's not going to have ongoing support. Why wouldn't anybody release a month after it?

 

June is E3. This is the worst time to launch a game when so many developers show their hot ass new games.

"Why would gamers play games when they could watch a hour conference instead?"

 

Yes, that truly would be the end. lol It sure didn't work out for the Batman Arkham games or The Last of Us. /s

 

After E3 we go into summer times. The mainstream spents more time outside. No way they are going to release a game in late June or July. This has been even confirmed by Strauss Zelnick on one of the last earnings calls.

This is perhaps the only valid point you have and one I agree on. Also there's the factor of the World Cup which in the past has been attributed to declines in media purchases or other related activities, though RDR weathered this with no issue in 2010.

 

- If they even would think about releasing it in spring they just have 4-5 month of marketing for the most anticipated game of 2018. Not happening

I mean, you just answered that. If it's the most anticipated title for 2018 then the only marketing you need is a release date. I mean God of War now has to market to the masses within 3 months and is that more hotly anticipated than RDR2? Look at what Bethesda did with Fallout 4.

 

Rockstar could announce a release date for May in the next week or so, kick off a GI cover and then blitz with marketing from then until May no problem.

 

You're also forgetting the various other times Rockstar announced release dates for games coming in April and May in January including GTAIV, L.A Noire, Max Payne 3...

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Big_Smiley

If there is stealth gameplay they better bloody bring back "crouching". Some great possibilities for it in online PvP as well, hiding in bushes and what not.

tfw when you couldn't do such thing in V. This is a must you R* idiots if your reading this page...

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Mr. Morgan

The second trailer is super close to six million views! Well, the one that wasn't used as an ad that is.

 

On another note.. good god, I'm getting really desperate here. Like, cold-sweat-at-night-desperate.

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cynicaldevil

The second trailer is super close to six million views! Well, the one that wasn't used as an ad that is.

 

On another note.. good god, I'm getting really desperate here. Like, cold-sweat-at-night-desperate.

This reminds me of the GTAV drought days, where each time the first trailer's views were near a milestone, there used to be at least one person going: "If we reach X million views by this week, maybe R* will release some news!"

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Hunter S. Compton

You guys should see Meek’s cutoff. It’s about a Wagon train in Utah in the 1840s trying to get to California, but they begin to run out of water. And they’re constantly more or less in the same struggle as all of you. Someone more clever than me should make some edits from the film about this. There’s a guy who pretends to know where he’s going but doesn’t, and there’s an Indian who might help them and they’re just losin their minds and desperate

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STARVING4NEWS

I don't understand people disapproving a spring release because,"4 months of marketing isn't enough".When a sh*t ton of games have come out with barely any marketing done whatsoever.Evil Within 2,a game I really wanted was only shown at E3 (June) and then was never mentioned until late September/early October (it was released on Oct 13)

Hell even god of war,other than E3 had no marketing done and even now,other than a trailer,nothing is shown.

 

Not to mention unlike EA and Ubisoft who need to impress even the hardcore fans to make their game(s) look attractive,Rockstar doesn't need to do that.They know people that were fan of Rdr ARE gonna get the game without waiting for reviews or anything.Freaking hell other Rockstar fans will buy the game just because of the reputation that Rockstar and their games hold.(Like me.I became a RDR fan after the second one was announced.)

 

TL;DR Other games have had less marketing as well and rockstar doesn't even need to market all that much,they know people will buy their sh*t without second thought.

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Zello

Your username sums up this entire thread

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Frantz Fuchs

If there is stealth gameplay they better bloody bring back crouching. Some great possibilities for it in online PvP as well, hiding in bushes and what not.

 

I hope there's actual stealth kills too, in the first one John just did regular knife slashes instead of kills from behind

 

the first suppressor was created in 1902 so maybe we can unlock a prototype of it or something after completing a long side quest.

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SuperKitsune

 

If there is stealth gameplay they better bloody bring back crouching. Some great possibilities for it in online PvP as well, hiding in bushes and what not.

I hope there's actual stealth kills too, in the first one John just did regular knife slashes instead of kills from behind

 

the first suppressor was created in 1902 so maybe we can unlock a prototype of it or something after completing a long side quest.

Stealth kills are already confirmed in trailer #2 Arthur stabs a guy from the back at night in the swamp/forest area.

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Negan009

 

 

If there is stealth gameplay they better bloody bring back crouching. Some great possibilities for it in online PvP as well, hiding in bushes and what not.

I hope there's actual stealth kills too, in the first one John just did regular knife slashes instead of kills from behind

 

the first suppressor was created in 1902 so maybe we can unlock a prototype of it or something after completing a long side quest.

Stealth kills are already confirmed in trailer #2 Arthur stabs a guy from the back at night in the swamp/forest area.

 

 

It might be a new mechanic.

 

I'm looking forward to the "No witness, no crime" returning.

Edited by MostWantedMVP

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SuperKitsune

I don't understand people disapproving a spring release because,"4 months of marketing isn't enough".When a sh*t ton of games have come out with barely any marketing done whatsoever.Evil Within 2,a game I really wanted was only shown at E3 (June) and then was never mentioned until late September/early October (it was released on Oct 13)

Hell even god of war,other than E3 had no marketing done and even now,other than a trailer,nothing is shown.

 

Not to mention unlike EA and Ubisoft who need to impress even the hardcore fans to make their game(s) look attractive,Rockstar doesn't need to do that.They know people that were fan of Rdr ARE gonna get the game without waiting for reviews or anything.Freaking hell other Rockstar fans will buy the game just because of the reputation that Rockstar and their games hold.(Like me.I became a RDR fan after the second one was announced.)

 

TL;DR Other games have had less marketing as well and rockstar doesn't even need to market all that much,they know people will buy their sh*t without second thought.

I concur, we're doing most of their marketing for them.

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Negan009

I am expecting with the game being built from the ground up, to have all new mechanics. I especially can't wait for the gunplay and see how that plays out.

 

I think it's going to be even more brutal than Red Dead Redemption.

 

That's what Red Dead is about at heart. A solid ecosystem that makes the transition between gunplay, getting on horses etc seemless.

 

I hope there is an option to dive whilst shooting like in Max Payne 3. That would be epic.

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thedarkman123

I am expecting with the game being built from the ground up, to have all new mechanics. I especially can't wait for the gunplay and see how that plays out.

 

I think it's going to be even more brutal than Red Dead Redemption.

 

That's what Red Dead is about at heart. A solid ecosystem that makes the transition between gunplay, getting on horses etc seemless.

 

I hope there is an option to dive whilst shooting like in Max Payne 3. That would be epic.

Should definitely be a treat, I want some awesome bar fights to erupt for no reason and be freaking epic.

Guns blazing, people screaming, bottles blow up and pedestrians screaming for mercy, the story and missions are good but what makes a game awesome are the things not related to the narrative, but the world.

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YouAreWrong

I want better melee and mele weapons.

Maybe some sticks,chairs,throw tables,throw people at chairs,tables,walls,over the stands,in other people etc.

 

Throw some bottle glasses,rocks,sand etc.

(Rockstar always half-asses their melee combat in games.I hope RDR2 does something good with it.)

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Negan009

 

I am expecting with the game being built from the ground up, to have all new mechanics. I especially can't wait for the gunplay and see how that plays out.

 

I think it's going to be even more brutal than Red Dead Redemption.

 

That's what Red Dead is about at heart. A solid ecosystem that makes the transition between gunplay, getting on horses etc seemless.

 

I hope there is an option to dive whilst shooting like in Max Payne 3. That would be epic.

Should definitely be a treat, I want some awesome bar fights to erupt for no reason and be freaking epic.

Guns blazing, people screaming, bottles blow up and pedestrians screaming for mercy, the story and missions are good but what makes a game awesome are the things not related to the narrative, but the world.

 

 

That's what I loved in Red Dead Redemption. Pulling out your gun in a saloon, you had the choice to kill or leave them be.

 

You backed off then they'd say somthing smug like "Yeah I didn't think so"...then you'd just kill them anyway because why not.

Edited by MostWantedMVP

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thedarkman123

Lost in a poker game? kill every one of them and take their moneh...

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Negan009

I want better melee and mele weapons.

Maybe some sticks,chairs,throw tables,throw people at chairs,tables,walls,over the stands,in other people etc.

 

Throw some bottle glasses,rocks,sand etc.

(Rockstar always half-asses their melee combat in games.I hope RDR2 does something good with it.)

 

I loved the throwing knives in Redemption I thought they were epic. It was so satisfying to headshot someone off a galloping horse and see the body just fly off.

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Holland_Hicks

I really hope all of the lackluster parts of Rockstar's previous games don't rear their ugly head. I want Red Dead Redemption 2 to have visceral, non-clunky melee combat, responsive controls and character movement, gunplay that feels good without the use auto-aim, no filler missions, etc.

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YouAreWrong

I know this will feel like asking for too much,but I would love for a UFC like fighting system.You attack(you should have like strong and light attack)with fists,and you trip/kick in balls with legs(I don't think legs were used that much in Westerns,would feel out of place of course),and you also block.

 

Simple,but has to be done correctly,every attack must feel heavy,especially since Arthus is a big dood.

 

I think RAGE allows them to do it correctly

(If they keep the dull animations from V I will be angry(.


(I'm just a sucker for good ol'melee brawls,que in Sleeping dogs).

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Starboy

Just a fun fact pointed out by CynicalDevil when I was having a conversation with him.

The silence on RDR2 has literally been worse than the GTA V cancer days!

RDR2 Announced October 2016:

Till now 5 Screens ; 2 Trailers.

Time- 1 Year and 4 months.

During GTA V we had 2 trailers...tons and tons of screenshot and loads of information from the Gameinformer article.

Dont forget the Asked & Answered series and moreover fans could communicate directly with Rockstar in the Social Club comments section.

Its very surprising and quite worrying tbh for them to have been so silent.

So much so that hopefully the game doesnt turn out to be a dissapointment:(

This is exactly what makes me nervous. Even though it GTA V got delayed, we didn't go through that much of a news drought. Let's hope the next GI cover is Red and the lack of news comes to a end.

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

Why is the treasure hunt not added to this list of "bad marketing" that was part of marketing as well.

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thedarkman123

I want to feel bad for the people i hurt or kill(and for the way i killed them), i don't want them to be npc's without a soul.

 

How is this possible?

I want your opinions here guys.

 

*First and foremost, the animation (Rage engine is a good start but needs a overhaul, for instance when i hit someone in GTA and he flies in the air like he was struck by superman, it's underwhelming... and a bit funny) .

 

*Gore should be as realistic as possible, i want to look at what i did and say to myself "How could i?".

 

*Families, i kill one's husband, the wife should mourn him, his son should come after me (If the wife take arms could be epic!)

 

*The npc's should have routines but not only that, they should have a personality:

A guy in a store, he comes in morning, goes to drink in a bar at night etc, we saw that before in games like skyrim, deus ex and assassins creed origins (The routines stuff) so nothing new there, here is the big sell:

we meet in the store and he speaks to me while i buy stuff from him, he can sometimes give me small quests related only to him, at night we play poker, he thanks me for what i did for him earlier, a fight erupts , he dies somehow (doesn't matter if i'm the one who killed him),The store closed, the man is gone, his quests will vanish etc.

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YouAreWrong

I think what would really make NPC's feel alive,is to add voice to them.

 

Let's say you start beating the sh*t out of someone for no reason,and you keep doing it while he screams:

''Ugghhh,why are you doing this?I don't know you!Stop I'm hurt,why are you doing this?"

 

This kinda of thing,will make gamers ask why they are behaving so violently in a game anad sh*t.SHould be fun in my opinion.

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Zello

I really hope all of the lackluster parts of Rockstar's previous games don't rear their ugly head. I want Red Dead Redemption 2 to have visceral, non-clunky melee combat, responsive controls and character movement, gunplay that feels good without the use auto-aim, no filler missions, etc.

Don't forget the same vehicle that took you forever to find spawning in traffic and there's suddenly a bunch of them.

 

If they do that with horses and stagecoaches lol...

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Starboy

Let's say game is coming in May, then there's more than enough time. R* aren't going to go full Ubisoft and spoil the whole game through marketing with 20 minute gameplay videos so we've got more than enough time for a few other trailers and screenshots. Let's just hope these next two weeks are positive. The last thing I wanna hear from R* is delay lol. That would be devastating after waiting so long.

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YouAreWrong

You basically said the most obvious things on everyone's mind.

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Starboy

You basically said the most obvious things on everyone's mind.

Yeah I know but there isn't much else to say lol.

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YouAreWrong

Yeah,take a hint R*,there's nothing to digest here.

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