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Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 1)

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happygrowls

they are just f*cking with us at this point

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Spider-Vice

I'm just wildly speculating here and perhaps one or two people here might have more insight on it, but given that game development is driven by goals and milestones and given how they waited till the last day of January to announce the delay for V despite promoting the game for Spring earlier in the month and that we seem to be going through something similar with RDR2, my guess is that they have a major milestone sometime in January that they wanted to make sure they hit before locking the games date in and announcing it, to avoid repeating what they did with GTA V.

My personal opinion with the V delay is that one of the reasons it happened was GTA Online. Up until late 2012 it was based on the Cops & Crooks freemode system with factions, and only around 2013 we started seeing stuff talking about "GTA Online" in the QA log, and there was no way they'd release in Spring if they changed stuff around. There are some mentions of milestones in the same log, but I don't think they have fixed dates, I think it's more when they reach a certain point in the game's development, i.e. half the story done, rendering engine done, stuff that needs hard work and is finally finished or almost finished.

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

Delay a delay announcement...brilliant. Ahhh man, how interesting will this week be? We shall see, we shall see.. #f*ckADelay

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Idro_Novenalen

I don't care if it's a delay or a confirmation of the release date, I just want an announcement. Then we shall be free

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Darrel

If we go into February without nothing. We are in big trouble.

 

Its then delayed, simple

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

But Don't be surprised if it's just 7 screenshots again attached to a delay announcement they delayed since god knows wen. After Feb 7th if no word, im happy just means to me we could get something after. RDR2 Info or delay by Feb 7th or no info and wait.

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Jabalous

J.Dillinger Blackheart accepting/suggesting the possibility of a delay. I cannot believe my eyes!

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VigMarston

There is absolutely no chance they reveal on Sunday like they first did, huh? :(

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Reno_

Even If it's a delay we would at least get some pictures. That would still be nice.

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damienrayemusic

 

I agree that R* is trying to avoid what happened with GTA V at this point. People can bitch all they want but they know what they are doing and its much better i respect that even with silence, they want all concrete info. Thats better than hopes up on one "concrete" date only to change last minute. Anyways, chill guys. No need to worry bout the GTA online weekend posting. Im surprised no one sees that as a possible good thing? They may be getting it out of the way to leave next week as red ;) anyways, hope everyone has a good day. I will be back monday or if something happens. My mind needs a break and away from all the rinse and repeat things we say whether its delay or not. Lol i have work to do today, have a good one guys! Stay positive

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

J.Dillinger Blackheart accepting/suggesting the possibility of a delay. I cannot believe my eyes!

At this point i only want to see a delay to hear what the delay enthusiast guys have to say lol. Even if delayed, i can wait bro I really don't care especially with God of war around the corner. I still don't agree that a delay is inevitable, but at this point in in it for humor.

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Jabalous

Some screenshots at least, right, but there's also a chance of a trailer with the new date at the end of it and that'd be very nice. It'd also smooth out fan's reactions and give them something to discuss until an info blowout in April/May.

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Vespid

Just a fun fact pointed out by CynicalDevil when I was having a conversation with him.

The silence on RDR2 has literally been worse than the GTA V cancer days!

RDR2 Announced October 2016:

Till now 5 Screens ; 2 Trailers.

Time- 1 Year and 4 months.

During GTA V we had 2 trailers...tons and tons of screenshot and loads of information from the Gameinformer article.

Dont forget the Asked & Answered series and moreover fans could communicate directly with Rockstar in the Social Club comments section.

Its very surprising and quite worrying tbh for them to have been so silent.

So much so that hopefully the game doesnt turn out to be a dissapointment:(

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cynicaldevil

 

I'm just wildly speculating here and perhaps one or two people here might have more insight on it, but given that game development is driven by goals and milestones and given how they waited till the last day of January to announce the delay for V despite promoting the game for Spring earlier in the month and that we seem to be going through something similar with RDR2, my guess is that they have a major milestone sometime in January that they wanted to make sure they hit before locking the games date in and announcing it, to avoid repeating what they did with GTA V.

My personal opinion with the V delay is that one of the reasons it happened was GTA Online. Up until late 2012 it was based on the Cops & Crooks freemode system with factions, and only around 2013 we started seeing stuff talking about "GTA Online" in the QA log, and there was no way they'd release in Spring if they changed stuff around. There are some mentions of milestones in the same log, but I don't think they have fixed dates, I think it's more when they reach a certain point in the game's development, i.e. half the story done, rendering engine done, stuff that needs hard work and is finally finished or almost finished.

Wow I didn't know the build log for gtav was leaked online! I'll have to do some digging into this, this is some interesting stuff!

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

If a delay was delayed strategically, I doubt a Release date is attached or it could be set for September or October perhaps right?

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Spider-Vice

 

 

I'm just wildly speculating here and perhaps one or two people here might have more insight on it, but given that game development is driven by goals and milestones and given how they waited till the last day of January to announce the delay for V despite promoting the game for Spring earlier in the month and that we seem to be going through something similar with RDR2, my guess is that they have a major milestone sometime in January that they wanted to make sure they hit before locking the games date in and announcing it, to avoid repeating what they did with GTA V.

My personal opinion with the V delay is that one of the reasons it happened was GTA Online. Up until late 2012 it was based on the Cops & Crooks freemode system with factions, and only around 2013 we started seeing stuff talking about "GTA Online" in the QA log, and there was no way they'd release in Spring if they changed stuff around. There are some mentions of milestones in the same log, but I don't think they have fixed dates, I think it's more when they reach a certain point in the game's development, i.e. half the story done, rendering engine done, stuff that needs hard work and is finally finished or almost finished.

Wow I didn't know the build log for gtav was leaked online! I'll have to do some digging into this, this is some interesting stuff!

 

R* left it in the PS3 original disc, it has a bunch of notes and bugs and stuff for almost every build, including early PC builds.

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mombo2811

 

 

 

I'm just wildly speculating here and perhaps one or two people here might have more insight on it, but given that game development is driven by goals and milestones and given how they waited till the last day of January to announce the delay for V despite promoting the game for Spring earlier in the month and that we seem to be going through something similar with RDR2, my guess is that they have a major milestone sometime in January that they wanted to make sure they hit before locking the games date in and announcing it, to avoid repeating what they did with GTA V.

My personal opinion with the V delay is that one of the reasons it happened was GTA Online. Up until late 2012 it was based on the Cops & Crooks freemode system with factions, and only around 2013 we started seeing stuff talking about "GTA Online" in the QA log, and there was no way they'd release in Spring if they changed stuff around. There are some mentions of milestones in the same log, but I don't think they have fixed dates, I think it's more when they reach a certain point in the game's development, i.e. half the story done, rendering engine done, stuff that needs hard work and is finally finished or almost finished.

Wow I didn't know the build log for gtav was leaked online! I'll have to do some digging into this, this is some interesting stuff!

 

R* left it in the PS3 original disc, it has a bunch of notes and bugs and stuff for almost every build, including early PC builds.

 

did they just forget to remove it or idk how something like that could go unoticed

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Hugoat

I really hope the next update is a GI coverage, you can imagine news almost every day about the game? This would be a huge relief.

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OutlawGummyWilly

Good afternoon everyone! We all have very valid points that we'd like to stress and everyones ideas and theories are what makes this forum what it is! I'm confident there won't be another delay and we are truly on course for a spring release. It really is any day now either next week or the week after that we will hear more info and have a 3rd trailer with a release date!

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

 

There is a wide variety of gunsmiths out there. I would love to see R* explore different gun manufacturers/Gunsmiths from around the world. There really is a lot R* Could do in terms of weaponry, im excited to see what they do.

I hope the guns they have are really cool but not necessarily that they have a lot of guns, if that makes sense. I feel some games can over complicate gameplay by having too many weapons. Fallout New vegas springs to mind. Idk, I wouldn't only keep in mind revolvers and rifles. Since the bow and arrow is used, I would like to see some of other weapons natives utilized like maybe bolas, spears. tomahawks and gunstock war clubs. I just dont want to see the same weapons old weapons from RDR, I would like to see R* mix it up a bit especially for online.

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Not Kmart

Good afternoon everyone! We all have very valid points that we'd like to stress and everyones ideas and theories are what makes this forum what it is! I'm confident there won't be another delay and we are truly on course for a spring release. It really is any day now either next week or the week after that we will hear more info and have a 3rd trailer with a release date!

Great attitude!! I agree

R* IS unpredictable..

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Sensei ‎

I really hope the next update is a GI coverage, you can imagine news almost every day about the game? This would be a huge relief.

Far cry 5 might take that spot unfortunately

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FlatFX

Good afternoon everyone! We all have very valid points that we'd like to stress and everyones ideas and theories are what makes this forum what it is! I'm confident there won't be another delay and we are truly on course for a spring release. It really is any day now either next week or the week after that we will hear more info and have a 3rd trailer with a release date!

 

I guess I have to post that on every page:

A spring release date makes no sense anymore !

 

Dont understand how so many still think they will get the game before summer time

 

- Take Two's new financial year starts 1st of April

- GoW releases 30th of April. You can make bets Sony and Take Two are aligned on this release schedule! There is no way RDR2 releases 1 month before or after GoW

- June is E3. This is the worst time to launch a game when so many developers show their hot ass new games.

- After E3 we go into summer times. The mainstream spents more time outside. No way they are going to release a game in late June or July. This has been even confirmed by Strauss Zelnick on one of the last earnings calls.

- If they even would think about releasing it in spring they just have 4-5 month of marketing for the most anticipated game of 2018. Not happening

 

RDR2 is not coming in spring! Believe it or not. Next weekend will prove me right.

 

 

Instead of believing its coming you should consider this timeline:

- Release date reveal before 7th of February (Q3 earnings release of Take Two)

- March / April: new trailer

- End of May: first information on RDR2 Online

- June: E3 will be packed with RDR2 and huge booth by Take Two. First hands on and gameplay

- Late August / September: release

Edited by FlatFX

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VigMarston

Good afternoon everyone! We all have very valid points that we'd like to stress and everyones ideas and theories are what makes this forum what it is! I'm confident there won't be another delay and we are truly on course for a spring release. It really is any day now either next week or the week after that we will hear more info and have a 3rd trailer with a release date!

The world needs more people like you.. Positive attitude my friend :^:

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Hunter S. Compton

Does anyone want to move the discussion off of this pointless nonsense? This is just inductive repetitive nothingness everyone. I mean you’re discussig this like you’re figuring out the meaning of life, or when the world will end or something that requires this much like interpretation and conjecture.

 

Can’t we please just talk about something else?

 

 

There is a wide variety of gunsmiths out there. I would love to see R* explore different gun manufacturers/Gunsmiths from around the world. There really is a lot R* Could do in terms of weaponry, im excited to see what they do.

I hope the guns they have are really cool but not necessarily that they have a lot of guns, if that makes sense. I feel some games can over complicate gameplay by having too many weapons. Fallout New vegas springs to mind.
Idk, I wouldn't only keep in mind revolvers and rifles. Since the bow and arrow is used, I would like to see some of other weapons natives utilized like maybe bolas, spears. tomahawks and gunstock war clubs. I just dont want to see the same weapons old weapons from RDR, I would like to see R* mix it up a bit especially for online. I fully expect a tomahawk, and maybe also a club. Bolas would be interesting, and very doable in the Euphoria physics engine. It would basically just stumble them, similar to how someone stumbles in gta 4 when you shoot them, minus the damage. Not sure if we will see it but it would make a great addition down the content pipeline if this game gets the same support as GTAV.

 

There’s a lot of features to be honest, that we’ve talked about that may not be in the main game but would make for interesting DLC and such down the road. This Doomsday Heist thing may have really screwed us over but man what an insane thing for companies to be pushing out for free! Anyone else would have charged $10 for that. You know? What do you all think would be interesting features that might come post launch?

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Spider-Vice

did they just forget to remove it or idk how something like that could go unoticed

It's just part of how making software works, sometimes you leave development files inside when you compile the game/program, Rockstar has always been clumsy with leftovers.

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Jason

~snip

 

- GoW releases 30th of April. You can make bets Sony and Take Two are aligned on this release schedule! There is no way RDR2 releases 1 month before or after GoW

 

~snip

 

Do you know how many big exclusives Sony have out this year? God of War, Spider-Man, Days Gone, Ghost of Tsushima and more. If they don't release within a one month window of a big Sony game RDR2 won't make 2018 never mind Spring. Not to mention the fact that by avoiding them you'll be putting your self against the other big titles of the year because it's 2018 and there's far more than 12 big games out in a year. In fact, God of War getting an April date only strengthens the idea that RDR2 can make Spring, cause it sure as hell doesn't mean the opposite.

 

Also, the reason you have to "keep" repeating this over and over is because people still want to remain optimistic and hopeful that a game they really want is not getting delayed, but not only that, we also have sound enough reasons to still think it can release this Spring. So don't act surprised when every time you come here jamming delay talk down every bodies throats and no one pays attention to you. It's not like your track record of predictions is stellar either (100% wrong by my count), we still have more than enough reason to believe and hope.

 

Sometimes I think the delay talk people are only saying it so they can come here in the event that it is delayed and go "told ya so". :/

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Hunter S. Compton

what if it comes out 4/20 and the game comes with a free joint in the case and then when u smoke it and you boot up the cartridge Arthur Morgan looks at you and he says ur name and he says u got some loud 4 me boi and he like reaches out of the tv like in Spy Kids 3D and he takes ur joint and take a two big hits but not 2 big just big enough to show he can hang and he hands it back to you and then he turns back to the game and he says alright lets do this and then you play the game together and you have so much fun and you start having inside jokes and then youre camping in the woods and you just cant help it and ou say Arthur Morgan youre my best friend. And he gives you a big hug and you say are we gonna be together forever and he says always Hunter S Compton

 

EDIT: this only applies too california, colorado n (George) Washington (D.C) so if ur not from there this wont happen when u play the game and your gonna b alone the whole time

Edited by Hunter S. Compton

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

Don't trip man, some of these dudes are truly only delay enthusiast and have nothing else to talk about. It is what it theories. Im going to laugh when r* sh*ts all over peoples theories.

 

Anyway, Bolas could def work if you ask me. It could work like the lasso almost but for the natives. for instance say capturing animals or restraining enemies to scalp. Instead of killing buffalo and horses, natives could maybe capture them like bounties in RDR, where a alive hunt is better than a dead one.

 

In terms of features, I know R* will have some ground breaking mechanics and things. I think interactive environments could be implemented. Idk but looking over trailer 2, the bank scene, Arthur grabs a dude and pushes him through a door. Arthur also grabs choke lifts a muhf*cka up a wall and seems to gun butt a dude on the floor. Idk if these are cutscenes or whatever but i would love to see environments used in executions and kills. I would love to Push a enemy against a wall and decorate it with his brains. Executions is what I really want to see.

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Hunter S. Compton

Yeah those are both really good ideas. I’m terms of the bola, the lasso is an infinitely better analogy of how it would work mechanically. Thumbs up. And there were extremely limited executions in the first game so I wouldn’t be shocked if that was fleshed out a little more this time around. As discussed previously the inclusion of a bow and arrow opens up the potential for stealth, that will almost certainly have its own animations. It’s so hard to tell in the trailer what is a cinematic and what is gameplay. Like him throwing the guy through the door? When they’re in the room, watch how his arm tracks the guy? Looks like gameplay! When he’s walking away from the charges going off? Looks like gameplay! Lassoing the scary horse? Looks like gameplay!

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