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Spider-Vice

Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 1)

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Jason

 

 

If the game is in fact delayed, expect the news at 4:00pm on Wednesday 7th.

Why that date? Just a guess?
The Take Two investor call is scheduled for that day at 4:30pm. The New York stock exchange closes at 4pm. If they announce the delay after the stock closes, investors cant sell their stock before being calmed by Strauss. They did the same thing before the last delay.

 

 

Yea, they announced the delay after the markets closed and they had moved the conference call forward to the morning meaning that they could announce the delay and ease concerns in the call before the markets reopened. If I recall it meant that they ended up closing the day trading higher than they did before the delay, due to GTA:O and NBA's success.

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DGSimo

 

 

 

If the game is in fact delayed, expect the news at 4:00pm on Wednesday 7th.

Why that date? Just a guess?
The Take Two investor call is scheduled for that day at 4:30pm. The New York stock exchange closes at 4pm. If they announce the delay after the stock closes, investors cant sell their stock before being calmed by Strauss. They did the same thing before the last delay.

 

Yea, they announced the delay after the markets closed and they had moved the conference call forward to the morning meaning that they could announce the delay and ease concerns in the call before the markets reopened. If I recall it meant that they ended up closing the day trading higher than they did before the delay, due to GTA:O and NBA's success.

Didn't they announce the delay the day before where the stock dropped 6% with the news but then rebounded with the investors call and trades opening the following morning?

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Spider-Vice

Didn't they announce the delay the day before where the stock dropped 6% with the news but then rebounded with the investors call and trades opening the following morning?

They announced the delay after the markets closed. That afternoon T2 had announced they were pushing the conference forward to the early morning next day. During the afterhours the TTWO stock crashed a bit, but by the time the markets opened it was back up because it was after the conference to reassure investors.
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PapaFuerte

R* sucks right now.

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Starboy

I'm just anxious cause I'm not sure what type of news we're gonna get. Whatever it is, I hope it quenches our news thirst.

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TheMab1819

I see a lot of people saying that "If there's no news in February, the game will be delayed", God of War's release date was announced 3 months before its release, I know Santa Monica and Sony aren't R* and T2, but that doesn't mean R* won't do the same thing.

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Starboy

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Dick Justice

Its only because of the Investor Call. I personally think were at a point where no news is good news. Imagine no delay announcement prior to a call where Strauss reaffirms the commitment to a Spring 2018 Release. That would be good for us.

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Starboy

The thing most people forget is that God of War had info/gameplay revealed since 2016. They really don't have much marketing to do. Who knows, maybe R* won't be marketing Red Dead as much as they did GTA V but I find that hard to believe considering it's their first title developed on current gen consoles and probably the only game we're gonna be receiving from them in a while. Only time will tell. I'm not saying it's gonna get delayed but I'm not too confident about a spring release either.

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DGSimo

I see a lot of people saying that "If there's no news in February, the game will be delayed", God of War's release date was announced 3 months before its release, I know Santa Monica and Sony aren't R* and T2, but that doesn't mean R* won't do the same thing.

God of War's release date came because it was announced for "Early 2018" or Q1 basically, which is Jan to March, and because Sony's investors call is February 1st. So everyone was expecting it in March. Obviously the game is missing that predicted date and been pushed back.

 

Its a similar situation and once Rockstar has seen and released dates many times over in January or early Feb, and as always in conjunction with their parent company's investor relations.

 

If for whatever reason we hear nothing up to and past the February 7th call then something is very wrong. Also counting on things to be ok if Zelnick reassures "don't worry, it's still on track for Spring!" Will be just as much cause for concern considering his same comments about "Don't worry! We're optimistic and still on track for Fall 2017!".

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J.Dillinger Blackheart

This is my thing, let's say worst case scenario. They know right muhf*ckin now if they need a delay, as a company I couldn't see bosses planning to delay a delay announcement for the sakes of a investors call. You means to tell me, let's say R* have a deadline for a update by the investor call, that means they have had this delay announcement just sitting on a desk waiting collecting coffee stains for a investors call? Or they ran into something that drastic since then. Where do they benefit doing something like that?

People act like we didn't just get a treasure hunt in Dec for a gun you will gain access to in game. How incomplete can this game possibly be?

 

Nothing is better than a delay, it could be R* planned for it days after. We can't say if nothing happens on the 7th its a guarantee delay because we don't know what the week could hold. What are they going to delay the delay until after the call? I'm trying to understand where this works in they're favor. Let see how next week goes, and the week of the call.. this is R*

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DexMacLeod

This is my thing, let's say worst case scenario. They know right muhf*ckin now if they need a delay, as a company I couldn't see bosses planning to delay a delay announcement for the sakes of a investors call. You means to tell me, let's say R* have a deadline for a update by the investor call, that means they have had this delay announcement just sitting on a desk waiting collecting coffee stains for a investors call? Or they ran into something that drastic since then. Where do they benefit doing something like that?

People act like we didn't just get a treasure hunt in Dec for a gun you will gain access to in game. How incomplete can this game possibly be?

 

Nothing is better than a delay, it could be R* planned for it days after. We can't say if nothing happens on the 7th its a guarantee delay because we don't know what the week could hold. What are they going to delay the delay until after the call? I'm trying to understand where this works in they're favor. Let see how next week goes, and the week of the call.. this is R*

 

Yeah, they're parent company is publicly traded, all information is gonna have a pretty strategic roll out. Especially bad news.

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DGSimo

This is my thing, let's say worst case scenario. They know right muhf*ckin now if they need a delay, as a company I couldn't see bosses planning to delay a delay announcement for the sakes of a investors call. You means to tell me, let's say R* have a deadline for a update by the investor call, that means they have had this delay announcement just sitting on a desk waiting collecting coffee stains for a investors call? Or they ran into something that drastic since then. Where do they benefit doing something like that?

People act like we didn't just get a treasure hunt in Dec for a gun you will gain access to in game. How incomplete can this game possibly be?

 

Nothing is better than a delay, it could be R* planned for it days after. We can't say if nothing happens on the 7th its a guarantee delay because we don't know what the week could hold. What are they going to delay the delay until after the call? I'm trying to understand where this works in they're favor. Let see how next week goes, and the week of the call.. this is R*

Yeah they would know in advance and the reason they would do it close to the call is because of "damage control". At the end of the day it's all about the bottom line and returns especially to your investors. Obviously if it's good news like a new game announcement or anticipated release date then releasing the news ahead of time will be favorable for the company's outlook and stocks.

 

Likewise though if the news is bad like a title missing it's intended release window to be pushed back a quarter or 2 then you would release that info closer to when you can address your investors to do "damage control" and calm any concerns. We saw both sides of this for when RDR2 was announced and when it was delayed. Look at Rockstar's history and you'll see the same pattern and timing.

 

The timing for this call is important because once again T2 is at a stage where their major label is supposed to releasing a AAA title in Q2 and the rest of their slate for fiscal 2019 looks grim again with 2 titles listed. And there's no t another call until May.

 

The treasure hunt thing doesn't really mean much, it could of been started early because it got data mined so fast. Things aren't gloom and doom though, I mean I'm optimistic we'll hopefully see something between now and the 7th but if we get to that day and nothing has been said..well..yeah..

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TwistedMedia

I loved the gunplay in Max Payne 3.. was such a shame with GTAV that it felt like such a downgrade (and don't get me started on pedestrians dying with one bullet to the foot!)

 

I also think the last of us had really good shooting mechanics.. each gunshot felt like it meant something.

 

I've still got high hopes for a spring release. As we've all said marketing has completely changed in the past few years and it's now much easier to release a few teases and sit back whilst the internet does the rest.

 

J Cole does it with albums, announces them outta the blue 2 weeks before release, no marketing, no lead single and still sells a lot of copies. If any games company had the balls to try this out, it'd probably be rockstar lol

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VigMarston

Speaking of gunplay and guns.. Anyone else a big fan of LeMat revolver?

 

And how awesome and OP would it be have a Mauser pistol in one hand and LeMat in another?

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PapaFuerte

Mmm.. This is worrisome times. I don't want another delay. Of course no one does but from the silence what is there else to assume now with the development... Having this game come out summer time will be great, delay just makes this news drought worse. I guess we will see until the end of January, last minute probably. Hate waiting for this game without a damn release date.

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SuperKitsune

Speaking of gunplay and guns.. Anyone else a big fan of LeMat revolver?

 

And how awesome and OP would it be have a Mauser pistol in one hand and LeMat in another?

I think the Mauser pistols won't exist in rdr2, too early. Because it was only really starting to get used in 1899 in Italy as the offical arms for the Italian marine. But the idea is nice. Edited by SuperKitsune
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DGSimo

Mmm.. This is worrisome times. I don't want another delay. Of course no one does but from the silence what is there else to assume now with the development... Having this game come out summer time will be great, delay just makes this news drought worse. I guess we will see until the end of January, last minute probably. Hate waiting for this game without a damn release date.

One thing to keep in mind though is that aside from Max Payne 3, no other recent Rockstar game from GTAIV to GTAV got more than 1 bump back. Max Payne 3 was a isolated situation because the game was revealed far, far too early and suffered from studio shake ups and a do over.

 

Edit: L.A Noire hardly counts when it was originally a Sony gig and the incompetence of Team Bondi is more at fault for that game and it's development hell

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VigMarston

 

Speaking of gunplay and guns.. Anyone else a big fan of LeMat revolver?

 

And how awesome and OP would it be have a Mauser pistol in one hand and LeMat in another?

I think the Mauser pistols won't exist in rdr2, too early. Because it was only really starting to get used in 1899 in Italy as the offical arms for the Italian marine. But the idea is nice.

 

Oh? Really? Thats a damn shame.

Any chance of seeing some new weapons on RDR II? Did anyone do some research before?

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SuperKitsune

 

 

 

@dgsimo Sorry haven't played Max Payne yet. But it seems the most logical

 

@j.dillingerblackheart Now that looks neat, an option to hide a small weapon in your boot would als be cool.

Check out this video then and you'll see why the gunplay and weapon handling in Max Payne 3 was so good.

Saw the vid and yeah you can see they put quite the effort in the gunplay and the users reaction to it. However, I hope that the shooting in rdr2 will be a little less over the top.Over the top? The shoot dodge? I mean that's a staple of Max Payne 3 but on the other hand, of Arthur could do that then we could recreate the Django Unchained shoot out!

 

Shame that Rockstar downgraded the control, hit detection and reaction and shooting from Max Payne 3 to GTAV but hopefully it comes back.

I know that it's the staple of Max Payne and don't get me wrong I think it looks cool and all, but I don't want to see it in Rdr2, it looks too sci-fi in my opinion for a western. But then again, dead eye was also about slow motion, so maybe I'm just weird lol :D

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MostWantedMVP

At it's heart Red Dead is about Gunplay and a solid ecosysystem.

 

Think nothing less than Red Dead Redemption when thinking about Redemption II.

 

It's going to be mind blowing and I'm very excited for the updated engine!


R* sucks right now.

 

Rockstar is awesome!

 

It sucks we haven't got any news.

 

Next week. ;)

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SuperKitsune

I hope Rockstar comes out guns blazing with new info next week.

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MostWantedMVP

I hope Rockstar comes out guns blazing with new info next week.

 

They will. Trailer announcement w/screenshots next week.

 

That's my prediction.

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thedarkman123

 

I hope Rockstar comes out guns blazing with new info next week.

 

They will. Trailer announcement w/screenshots next week.

 

That's my prediction.

 

We had these predictions for the last 4-5 weeks.

I believe the only new news will be on the TT conference call.

Until then, just hang tight guys.

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SuperKitsune

 

I hope Rockstar comes out guns blazing with new info next week.

They will. Trailer announcement w/screenshots next week.

 

That's my prediction.

If that's the case, it will most likely be on Wednesday or Thursday because they'll probably announce something for Feb 6th.

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MostWantedMVP

 

 

I hope Rockstar comes out guns blazing with new info next week.

 

They will. Trailer announcement w/screenshots next week.

 

That's my prediction.

 

We had these predictions for the last 4-5 weeks.

I believe the only new news will be on the TT conference call.

Until then, just hang tight guys.

 

Considering the Take-Two conference call is the 7th, I think we'll get a trailer the day before on the 6th.

 

So this coming week, we can most likely expect an announcement on either Tuesday or Thursday.

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Jabalous

I don't think R* will drag marketing until just before the investors call. No reason to do so when they can start it a week or two earlier as was the occasion with every 'good' news, from GTA V announcement to Redemption II announcement. Waiting until then means one thing, and one thing only, and that's a postponed release date. It's for 'damage control' by T2 as others explained. This week, starting on 27th Jan, is the absolute deadline for possible marketing of what's still announced as a Spring game.

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STARVING4NEWS

Can you just imagine? After waiting months for news,next week,R* drops a new trailer out of nowhere showing us gameplay info and at the end says,"coming May X-Y-Z".

How crazy would that be? *crosses fingers*

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FlatFX

They won’t announce the delay at the earnings call, because the next news will be a confirmed release date. That’s nothing you announce in a note to investors

 

It’s going to happen next weekend which puts them into a superior strategic position.

Community and investors will know the release date plus earnings will blow estimations away

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SuperKitsune

Well..the heat is on then for R* to deliver coming week. I personally think they will, but stranger things have happened before already.

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