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Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 1)


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They are the same universe in my mind even with the mention of New York etc. I mean why the hell not?

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They are the same universe in my mind even with the mention of New York etc. I mean why the hell not?

I mean, I think it should be set in the same universe... but it isn't. I see why R* decided to have them be separate universes, though - the GTA universe is a goofy parody of the real world whereas the RDR universe is more grounded and closer to reality but still utilizes fictional places like "New Austin".

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Pretty sure Dutch says bag and not back, even youtube thinks bag

Undeniable evidence! A sh*tty caption generator said "bag"! f*ck common sense!

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So i don't remember much from RDR (been a while since I played it)

 

what exactly was Dutch's ideology?

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So i don't remember much from RDR (been a while since I played it)

 

what exactly was Dutch's ideology?

He had a thing with bags and wanted to collect them all

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So i don't remember much from RDR (been a while since I played it)

 

what exactly was Dutch's ideology?

He had a thing with bags and wanted to collect them all

 

seriously though

 

 

wasn't he like a strict anti-racist and accepted people from all ethnic backgrounds, and some type of anti technology guy

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I know im late to this and sorry for going off topic but what do people think of this RDR2 info that was posted on Reddit a when the map was leaked?

 

i would tag is at spoiler but i dont know how >:(

 

"You play a gang leader named Arthur. The biggest change made to the game is you have a posse. If I remember correctly, the story kind of starts when you find out someone in your outlaw gang is a pinkerton spy. The pinkertons end up having you on the run through most of the game. You acquire lots of members of your gang such as abigal, little jack, marsten, and others. The core mechanic of the game is having to maintain and continuously move your outlaw camp. When you go on a mission you will choose who to take with you, similar to mass effect or dragon age. The game spans five zones. A directive they keep getting is to make the environments more interactive like skyrim. Whatever that means.

There is kind of a game plus like like the last one had. You end up at beechers hope and switch control to Jon marsten. The are then lots of quests etc dealing with building up your ranch. You literally will do x And Z to build a gazebo. I heard someone designed a mini game where you help a mare give birth that had people laughing. The last I heard, which was a few months ago, the game was kind of stuck in development hell of sorts. Then team kept remaking a vertical slice demo for the leaders of rockstar and they aren't impressed... They didn't find it different enough or innovative enough. Hopefully they got out of that rut.

I've also heard that since gta5 morale at rockstar SD had been bad. Long timers are quitting. Lots of turnover. Lots of frustration. That's all I can remember off hand."

 

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Can anyone make a summary of all the leaks in one place?

The map,pic of the shack,reddit and leaks by Yan? Spider Vice can u please do that?

Another voice actor/actress related find.

 

Ive found even more information that now directly links actor Roger Clark (Arthur?) and several other actors/actresses to Rockstar and RDR2.

 

Roger Clark (who I first linked to RDR2 through the voice actors of characters in RDR that we now know are back in RDR2) is also friends online with several Rockstar Games developers who work on the motion capture, audio and animation. One of the developers even mentions how they work directly with the actors on the motion capture. So yeah, a pretty big giveaway as to their involvement with Rockstar and the game.

 

At the request of GTAForums mods who can verify this information (Spider-Vice), Ive partially removed the name of the Rockstar developer and won't be directly linking to profiles. If you decide to look into this yourself I ask that you take similar precautions.

 

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You can see here that Roger is friends with one of the developers. This is also the same for several other actors/actresses weve looked at being directly linked with Rockstar and each other, giving us a growing group of actors/actresses most likely to be involved with RDR2.

 

These are all the online connections between the 3 Rockstar developers Ive looked at and all actors/actresses so far found by myself and other GTAForums members:

 

 

 

Rockstar Dev 1 Animator who also works with the actors on motion capture.

  • Online connections with Rockerstar Dev 2 & 3, Roger Clark, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins

Rockstar Dev 2 Motion capture audio engineer.

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 1 & 3, Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Noshir Dalal, Harron Atkins

Rockstar Dev 3 Something to do with animation.

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 1 & 2, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Cali Moore

Roger Clark Resume - Audio sample 1 - Audio sample 2 -

- Audio sample 4
  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 1 & 2, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

Rob Wiethoff as John Marston in RDR, likely to return in RDR2.

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 2, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore

Benjamin Byron Davis as Dutch Van Der Linde in RDR, will return in RDR2.

  • Online connections with Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Steve J Palmer, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

Steve J Palmer as Bill Williamson in RDR, likely to return in RDR2.

  • Online connections with Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Benjamin Byron Davis, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

Noshir Dalal Working mocap on an unreleased game under NDA for 2.5 years as a major character. - Resume 1 - Resume 2 - Showreels

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 1 & 2 & 3, Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Steve J Palmer, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist

Lindsay Perry Worked with Rockstar before (GTA V), has on her resume worked on unreleased Rockstar game. - Resume - Showreel

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 1 & 3, Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore

Harron Atkins IMDb -

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 1 & 2, Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Kaili Vernoff

Cali Moore IMDb -

  • Online connections with Rockstar Dev 3, Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

Gabriel Sloyer Ceron Worked with Rockstar before (GTA V). - IMDb - Showreel

  • Online connections with Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

Peter Blomquist Worked with Rockstar before (LA Noire), IMDb

  • Online connections with Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Kaili Vernoff

Kaili Vernoff IMDb

  • Online connections with Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist

To me, those directly linked with Rockstar developers are all but confirmed by Rockstar themselves to be involved with RDR2. I think theres more than enough connections between the other actors/actresses that arent directly linked with Rockstar to show their involvement as well. However, until we get official confirmation or further proof - remain somewhat hesitant.

 

What this all means - recording motion capture/audio for the game is something that can take multiple years for big projects like RDR2, more than enough time for actors/actresses portraying main characters to befriend each other as well as the Rockstar developers that they spend time with recording motion capture and audio. Noshir Dalal has down on his resume that hes been working mocap on a game under NDA as a major character for over 2.5 years so far!

 

These connections could show potential interactions between the characters they portray in-game as they could've recording scenes together. Id like to mention that just because theyre connected online, it doesnt 100% guarantee their interaction in-game and the same can be said for the other way around - these are just online connections, actors/actresses listed here may have worked with each other and just not added each other online.

 

I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced, but as of now Id say Roger Clark is the most likely found to be portraying Arthur, based on his somewhat similar appearance (recent R* games have a striking similarity between actors and the in-game models) and vocal resemblance - we just need to hear him with a strong accent like Arthur...

 

As for who the other actors/actresses could be portraying, well just have to wait for more information to look at and compare them to.

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GTA also references London, so RDR shares the same Universe

I hope that's sarcasm

Just like your youtube channel...

sikk bern bra!

@Dee English Please

@LegacyKillaHD ...Nothing is really ever hugh, new and questionable about your videos.

The GTA Series Videos channel is better then you.

 

Mojo, logic please.

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Adminsf*ckedMeOver on the the Red Dead reddit brought up a documentary that is narrated by Roger Clark. So if you want to hear Arthur Morgan narrating a animal documentary in a British accent, here ya go:

 

@16:38 is what they suggested to really hear Arthur.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0iGeMnCCxtCX1JFTVM2cDU4SUk/view

 

I love this guy's voice!

 

 

Sorry if Neudd or anyone else already brought this up as the reddit user complied a lot of Neudd's findings with this documentary find.

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Adminsf*ckedMeOver on the the Red Dead reddit brought up a documentary that is narrated by Roger Clark. So if you want to hear Arthur Morgan narrating a animal documentary in a British accent, here ya go:

 

@16:38 is what they suggested to really hear Arthur.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0iGeMnCCxtCX1JFTVM2cDU4SUk/view

 

 

Sorry if Neudd or anyone else already brought this up as the reddit user complied a lot of Neudd's findings with this documentary find.

Didn't even give him credit.

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Yeah.... :(

 

Thankfully someone pointed that out.

Yeah but what are the chances of someone looking at the replies without thanking the redditor first?

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So i don't remember much from RDR (been a while since I played it)

 

what exactly was Dutch's ideology?

He had a thing with bags and wanted to collect them all

 

seriously though

 

 

wasn't he like a strict anti-racist and accepted people from all ethnic backgrounds, and some type of anti technology guy

Yeah, he saw himself as a Robin Hood type of outlaw, stole from the rich gave to the needy. Somewhere along the way he became bitter and pessimistic, and turned into the anti-establishment anarchist we saw in RDR1.

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He was also very anti technology and governmental control, clinging onto the old ways of the West. which fits the overarching theme of RDR with the end of the cowboy era.

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The Outlaw Josey Wales The film tells the story of Josey Wales, a Missouri farmer whose family is murdered by Union militants during the Civil War. Driven to revenge, Wales joins a Confederate guerrilla band and fights in the Civil War. After the war, all the fighters in Wales' group except for Wales surrender to Union officers, but they end up being massacred. Wales becomes an outlaw and is pursued by bounty hunters and Union soldiers.

 

I think the story of A. morgan could be a homage to the the movie. The backstory of Mr Morgan is what i'm really excited about tho. This rarely happens in story mode games where you play the antihero, this is going to be fun. On to top it off being on the run? MAN OH MAN! i cant f*ckin wait.

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Goddammit, I watched the trailer again and now all I can hear is ''Do you have my bag?'' :lol:

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Goddammit, I watched the trailer again and now all I can hear is ''Do you have my bag?'' :lol:

Welcome to the club

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I hope tomorrow we'll have at least some screenshots and "More info in the next weeks or so" news. There's nothing to discuss anymore, unfortunately

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So i don't remember much from RDR (been a while since I played it)

 

what exactly was Dutch's ideology?

Dutch's first gang(the one present in Red Dead Redemption 2) is an allusion to communism gone out of hands.

 

It is an allegory to Stalin, the Red Army Faction or other leftist revolutionary movements.

 

Dutch builds up his gang with the intent to play "Robin Hood", and to oppose the current capitalist and egoist system. He eventually wants to establish his own ideals.

However as things develop, you can see his gang getting out of hand and they more or less all become terrorists and outlaws, losing the cause that they all used to fight for choosing a "Leader" and eventually falling apart and splitting up.

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I don't think we can expect anything else until January.

Fixed.

 

Ah... no actually. You broke it. The game is coming out in May, and the real marketing for games begin 6 months away from release. November will be the time.

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When the game will be released you actually cannot enjoy it anymore because you already discovered everything by digging too deep ;D

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I expect nothing until Dec/Jan, if we get something before cool. But hearing about the game and its features is most likely next, thats what im really interested in hearing about.

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I don't think we can expect anything else until January.

Fixed.

 

Ah... no actually. You broke it. The game is coming out in May, and the real marketing for games begin 6 months away from release. November will be the time.

 

I hope you're right. I can't take another lengthy drought.

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