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Spider-Vice

Red Dead Redemption 2: Discussion & Speculation (Part 1)

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Neudd

Another voice actor/actress related find.

 

I’ve found even more information that now directly links actor Roger Clark (Arthur?) and several other actors/actresses to Rockstar and RDR2.

 

Roger Clark (who I first linked to RDR2 through the voice actors of characters in RDR that we now know are back in RDR2) is also friends online with several Rockstar Games developers who work on the motion capture, audio and animation. One of the developers even mentions how they work directly with the actors on the motion capture. So yeah, a pretty big giveaway as to their involvement with Rockstar and the game.

 

At the request of GTAForums mods who can verify this information (Spider-Vice), I’ve partially removed the name of the Rockstar developer and won't be directly linking to profiles. If you decide to look into this yourself I ask that you take similar precautions.

 

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You can see here that Roger is friends with one of the developers. This is also the same for several other actors/actresses we’ve looked at being directly linked with Rockstar and each other, giving us a growing group of actors/actresses most likely to be involved with RDR2.

 

These are all the online connections between the 3 Rockstar developers I’ve looked at and all actors/actresses so far found by myself and other GTAForums members:

 

 

 

Rockstar Dev 1Animator who also works with the actors on motion capture.

  • Online connections with – Rockerstar Dev 2 & 3, Roger Clark, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins

 

Rockstar Dev 2Motion capture audio engineer.

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 1 & 3, Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Noshir Dalal, Harron Atkins

 

Rockstar Dev 3 – Something to do with animation.

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 1 & 2, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Cali Moore

 

Roger ClarkResume - Audio sample 1 - Audio sample 2 -

- Audio sample 4
  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 1 & 2, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

 

Rob Wiethoff – as John Marston in RDR, likely to return in RDR2.

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 2, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore

 

Benjamin Byron Davis – as Dutch Van Der Linde in RDR, will return in RDR2.

  • Online connections with – Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Steve J Palmer, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

 

Steve J Palmer – as Bill Williamson in RDR, likely to return in RDR2.

  • Online connections with – Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Benjamin Byron Davis, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

 

Noshir DalalWorking mocap on an unreleased game under NDA for 2.5 years as a major character. - Resume 1 - Resume 2 - Showreels

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 1 & 2 & 3, Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Steve J Palmer, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist

 

Lindsay PerryWorked with Rockstar before (GTA V), has on her resume worked on unreleased Rockstar game. - Resume - Showreel

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 1 & 3, Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore

 

Harron AtkinsIMDb -

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 1 & 2, Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Kaili Vernoff

 

Cali MooreIMDb -

  • Online connections with – Rockstar Dev 3, Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

 

Gabriel Sloyer CeronWorked with Rockstar before (GTA V). - IMDb - Showreel

  • Online connections with – Roger Clark, Rob Wiethoff, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Lindsay Perry, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Peter Blomquist, Kaili Vernoff

 

Peter BlomquistWorked with Rockstar before (LA Noire), IMDb

  • Online connections with – Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Noshir Dalal, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Kaili Vernoff

 

Kaili VernoffIMDb

  • Online connections with – Roger Clark, Benjamin Byron Davis, Steve J Palmer, Harron Atkins, Cali Moore, Gabriel Sloyer Ceron, Peter Blomquist

 

 

To me, those directly linked with Rockstar developers are all but confirmed by Rockstar themselves to be involved with RDR2. I think there’s more than enough connections between the other actors/actresses that aren’t directly linked with Rockstar to show their involvement as well. However, until we get official confirmation or further proof - remain somewhat hesitant.

 

What this all means - recording motion capture/audio for the game is something that can take multiple years for big projects like RDR2, more than enough time for actors/actresses portraying main characters to befriend each other as well as the Rockstar developers that they spend time with recording motion capture and audio. Noshir Dalal has down on his resume that he’s been working mocap on a game under NDA as a major character for over 2.5 years so far!

 

These connections could show potential interactions between the characters they portray in-game as they could've recording scenes together. I’d like to mention that just because they’re connected online, it doesn’t 100% guarantee their interaction in-game and the same can be said for the other way around - these are just online connections, actors/actresses listed here may have worked with each other and just not added each other online.

 

I'm not sure I'm entirely convinced, but as of now I’d say Roger Clark is the most likely found to be portraying Arthur, based on his somewhat similar appearance (recent R* games have a striking similarity between actors and the in-game models) and vocal resemblance - we just need to hear him with a strong accent like Arthur...

 

As for who the other actors/actresses could be portraying, we’ll just have to wait for more information to look at and compare them to.

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CantaloupDRMC

People have had enough for a while.

We'll start with the speculations again in October near November,when we go insane again as the 3 draught hits.

Oh man I really hope Rockstar will drop other news by then.

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NYC PATROL

On the graphics front. I think they look amazing. In particular the fire, smoke, clouds and trees. The textures are fine. Heck even uncharted 4 had a few wonk textures up close and THAT'S a linear game. This is open world and looks like this?

 

The only part I can agree with graphics naysayers is the 2 scenes with a blurry smear which was when Morgan was riding the horse into town and when he jumped on top of the train. Very unlike R* to allow low quality scenes like that appear in a trailer. Which I feel like those things will be cleaned up before release anyway. 95% of what was shown looked phenomenal.

 

Also not the best cut R* trailer ever but It's still a fine one.

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Holland_Hicks

And just like that this thread is dead again lmao

They didn't give us enough to work with. This should've been the announcement trailer if you ask me.

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Walter Tschanz

I'm calling BS on yall saying Arthur is in his 30s

 

he looks like he is in his 40s

 

red_dead_redemption_2_screencap_08_shake

 

Ugh. Look at the f*cking mouth on that guy. That's some straight up Mass Effect Andromeda animation right there.

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Cutter De Blanc

After this scene Arthur dislocates his jaw and eats the man whole

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Dick Justice

I have a feeling we'll get the release date before Playstation Experience on December 9th/10th. Rockstar uploaded two versions of the trailer on Youtube. One with Playstation branding and one without; the one shared by Playstation has 32 million views, while Rockstar's has 3 million. The fact that there is even a PS version of the trailer means that deal between them and Sony is still in full-swing. They'll definitely want to announce whatever that deal contains - as well as a special bundle - at a big event.

 

The next investor call is in November? Hopefully we get a release update before then.

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damienrayemusic

Hi guys. Been working and writing a lot of music. Anyways, I have a new theory on RDR2 that I think is worth sharing. I know a lot of people think John kills arthur, but I think otherwise.. firstly, I think that the 1st trailer "when the time comes you gotta run and dont look back, this is over... IS Arthur saying this to John, before the heist gone wrong when John gets shot. On top of this, I think that Dutch asks "do you have my back" and arthur replies "always dutch" because this is a reference to when John left the gang, so Dutch questions everyones loyalty now. And finally, I'd go as far to say that Arthur is the one that shoots John! I think thats not only why he wasn't mentioned, but the last shot of the trailer (no pun intended) arthur shooting at the camera after talking to Dutch, I think thats him shooting Marston... thoughts?

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greenrock

Some people are saying that dutch's voice actor doesn't sound like Byron in the RDR 2 trailer, but troy baker

 

thoughts?

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BurnettVice

It does sound kinda diffrent maybe because he's supposed to be younger or the VA is just older.

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Jason

It could be a different voice actor, RDR was released 7 years ago now and given it's development time it's likely been 8-9 years since those lines were recorded. It's possible that the guys and gals from back then weren't available to do it this time around.

 

I'd be surprised if it was Troy Baker though, GTA V's mocap and voice work was done over years and Baker's always seems to be in at least one or two major titles every year. Not sure he'd find the time, Rockstar don't seem too keen on working with more well known talent for whatever reason these days either.

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Johnson Johnson

Some people are saying that dutch's voice actor doesn't sound like Byron in the RDR 2 trailer, but troy baker

 

thoughts?

It is the same

Edited by Johnson Johnson

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Dick Justice

That is the same voice actor. There is absolutely no doubt about it. I recognised it during my first watch of the trailer before Dutch is even seen, during the "ain't no such thing as civilised" line.

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TheOriginalGunslinger

That is the same voice actor. There is absolutely no doubt about it. I recognised it during my first watch of the trailer before Dutch is even seen, during the "ain't no such thing as civilised" line.

 

Same. As soon as that line was spoke I instantly recognized his voice.

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BurnettVice

Anyone thinks the guy who says, "Your a wanted man, Mr. Morgan" is Edgar Ross? The voice sounds similar.

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Zello

With the focus on the gang will we get a wild west version of Empire building?

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Dick Justice

Anyone thinks the guy who says, "Your a wanted man, Mr. Morgan" is Edgar Ross? The voice sounds similar.

Maybe. If I were Rockstar, I'd want the least amount of returning antagonists as possible. The issue with prequels is a certain number of characters are invincible. We already know Dutch, John, Bill and Javier won't die. That doesn't matter so much. But Edgar Ross? The man was the main antagonist of the first game. If he's the same son of a bitch that you definitely want to kill, but know you won't... Well, that's just annoying.

 

Someone mentioned a few days back that the main antagonists might be Edgar Ross and Archer Fordham. Well, we both know they won't die. So that's dumb.

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TheOriginalGunslinger

Could we be playing as the protagonist and antagonist at the same time? :O

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BurnettVice

Empire building could be interesting. We can buy the saloons, brothels, opium dens, and a mining company.

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greenrock

Arthur, woman and native do you think all 3 are protags or just arthur?

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Johnson Johnson

Arthur, woman and native do you think all 3 are protags or just arthur?

no is a created character, Seth Briars and Irish and the game is gonna be called Red Dead Redemptiom II Legends of the West

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Walter Tschanz

Some people are saying that dutch's voice actor doesn't sound like Byron in the RDR 2 trailer, but troy baker

 

thoughts?

 

Don't listen to children, AND don't smoke crack.

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Choteron

Could the Max Payne 3 style gunplay (but revamped even more) in a Red Dead Redemption II open-world setting work? I'm not talking about shoot dodging and stuff but as some have mentioned with the way weapons are holstered and used that would be pretty cool. I know Max Payne 3 was a third-person shooter but the enemy AI was very nicely done (enemies flanking and trying to shoot you out of cover rather than just stay in one spot most of the time to name one).

 

Would be interesting!

Hope so. Max Payne 3 shootouts are the best.

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LegacyKillaHD

I'm not exactly knowledgeable like some of you are on the technical aspect but wouldn't the voice recording sound much better from RDR to now which is why Dutch and maybe Edgar Ross (if he's the one saying "You're a wanted man Mr. Morgan") voices sound a bit different? Although I'm sure age could be a contributing factor.

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IG_

I honestly don't think there would have been great improvements in sound recording technology from ~2009 to today, to make that great of a difference. Audio products from over 10-20 years ago are still very relevant today.

 

Example, this headphone is regarded as 'high end'.
https://www.amazon.com/beyerdynamic-770-closed-Studio-Headphone/dp/B0016MNAAI/

"Date first available at Amazon.com June 16, 2004" This headphone is still highly recommended today, and doesn't look like that will change soon.

 

My guess is that the voice actors are changing their voices on purpose, because they're voicing a younger version of their characters.

Edited by IG_

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OfficialTwiggz

So the first RDR with John and Bonnie riding into town on a wagon, John mentions that he owns a farm up in Great Plains, and Bonnie doesnt believe him. He then says Ive only been at it about three years or so, Im not very good at it

 

1911 - three years = 1908

 

Just something I noticed. Im really paying attention to character dialogue replaying this game.

 

So it took him two years to recover, and build his ranch since leaving the gang and being left to die in 1906.

 

Honestly, playing as Marston during the final ending of RDR2 would fit.

 

HOLY f*ck. What if Arthur tries to save John after Dutch shoots him, and then Dutch kills Arthur and leaves John to die?

 

I NEED THIS GAME.

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NikosUncle

But if you play as John after he's betrayed by the gang wouldn't he be lying low at that time? We'll be making him ride around causing chaos.

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OfficialTwiggz

But if you play as John after he's betrayed by the gang wouldn't he be lying low at that time? We'll be making him ride around causing chaos.

Which is true. But if that leaker was correct, youd be doing a little bit of mini games, building up your farm, etc. but you are correct, you cant just run around town and shoot everyone (for lore purposes, of course)

 

Another fun fact, Wiki states that Johns Dad died IN a bar fight at eight years old. John states that his dad died at eight years old, BUT lost his sight in a bar fight in Chicago.

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MojoGamer

 

But if you play as John after he's betrayed by the gang wouldn't he be lying low at that time? We'll be making him ride around causing chaos.

Which is true. But if that leaker was correct, youd be doing a little bit of mini games, building up your farm, etc. but you are correct, you cant just run around town and shoot everyone (for lore purposes, of course)

 

Screw Role Play, its freemode from then on

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OfficialTwiggz

 

 

But if you play as John after he's betrayed by the gang wouldn't he be lying low at that time? We'll be making him ride around causing chaos.

Which is true. But if that leaker was correct, youd be doing a little bit of mini games, building up your farm, etc. but you are correct, you cant just run around town and shoot everyone (for lore purposes, of course)

 

Screw Role Play, its freemode from then on

Im sure you and some others would appreciate that. Me, Im more in it for the story and lore purposes. But to each his own.

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